Current Events > Daily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.

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The Admiral posted...

That_Happened posted...

Zikten posted...

what I am saying is that most of the time all white supremacists do is talk. they rarely do any actions.

And what I am saying is this benefit of the doubt is something you would NEVER afford to Muslims or BLM or Antifa. EVER.

Literally never heard anyone say it's okay to go up and punch Muslims who aren't being violent.

Literally in a topic with several posters suggesting punching Antifa and BLM members for marching and intimidation, though.
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That_Happened posted...

The Admiral posted...

That_Happened posted...

Zikten posted...

what I am saying is that most of the time all white supremacists do is talk. they rarely do any actions.

And what I am saying is this benefit of the doubt is something you would NEVER afford to Muslims or BLM or Antifa. EVER.

Literally never heard anyone say it's okay to go up and punch Muslims who aren't being violent.

Literally in a topic with several posters suggesting punching Antifa and BLM members for marching and intimidation, though.

You....think this topic advocates beating people up for their ideology?

Please Google "reductio ad absurdum".
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The Admiral posted...

Literally never heard anyone say it's okay to go up and punch Muslims who aren't being violent.

If people start marching down with torches and ISIS flags, then yeah you can punch them. Because their ideas are genocidal and violent. You know, like Nazis.
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That_Happened posted...

And what I am saying is this benefit of the doubt is something you would NEVER afford to Muslims or BLM or Antifa. EVER.

the only muslim rallies that annoy me are the ones asking for sharia law, or the ones about Clock Kid.

BLM and Antifa tend to be violent

here is what I am saying

Nazis preach hate. but they tend to be peaceful. Antifa preaches love, but tends to be violent.

The Admiral posted...

That_Happened posted...

Zikten posted...

what I am saying is that most of the time all white supremacists do is talk. they rarely do any actions.

And what I am saying is this benefit of the doubt is something you would NEVER afford to Muslims or BLM or Antifa. EVER.

Literally never heard anyone say it's okay to go up and punch Muslims who aren't being violent.

tfw when general Muslims and Nazis are compared.
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_Near_ posted...

If people start marching down with torches and ISIS flags, then yeah you can punch them.

No you fuckin cant, you sociopath
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simply lighting a torch and holding a flag does not give you the right to attack them. you have to wait until they actually do something.

Mal_Fet posted...

No you fuckin cant, you sociopath

yeah, the sociopath is the one punching isis members not the genocidal fuckheads.

nice moral compass
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Zikten posted...

Nazis preach hate. but they tend to be peaceful.

Wow.
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both sides do the opposite of what they talk about

Zikten posted...

simply lighting a torch and holding a flag does not give you the right to attack them. you have to wait until they actually do something.

Yes, like carry weapons and threaten to kill anyone who stands in their way. Like the fucking Nazis do.
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I make fun of communists and socialists all the time but well meaning people who want equality should not be treated the same way as we treat people who think the white race is superior to other races tbh
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That being said if ANTIFA does something bullshit you should be able to stop them
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Dash_Harber posted...

Except there is nothing inherently in communism that says 'commit genocide against innocents'.

There's nothing about that in facism either. The antisemitism was Hitler's own insanity. Boil it all away, and you get another authoritarian system that doesn't work. Same with Communism.
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_Near_ posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

No you fuckin cant, you sociopath

yeah, the sociopath is the one punching isis members not the genocidal fuckheads.

nice moral compass

They are both sociopaths.
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Crazyman93 posted...

There's nothing about that in facism either.

Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce, that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

Try again.
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_Near_ posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

No you fuckin cant, you sociopath

yeah, the sociopath is the one punching isis members not the genocidal fuckheads.

nice moral compass

Didn't you hear? If you want to kill large groups of people in the name of ethnic cleansing or some rotten interpretation of a God, you are morally superior to anyone that has ever laid hands on another or broken the law because you haven't actually committed your own genocide.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Didn't you hear? If you want to kill large groups of people in the name of ethnic cleansing or some rotten interpretation of a God, you are morally superior to anyone that has ever laid hands on another or broken the law because you haven't actually committed your own genocide.

I'd say it's astonishing that people here actually believe this, but then, I know where I am.
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That_Happened posted...

characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce

So it's communism?
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hockeybub89 posted...

If you want to kill large groups of people in the name of ethnic cleansing or some rotten interpretation of a God, you are morally superior to anyone that has ever laid hands on another or broken the law because you haven't actually committed your own genocide.

What weird world we live in where conservatives think that punching genocidal maniacs makes you a sociopath.
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Crazyman93 posted...

That_Happened posted...

characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce

So it's communism?

Communism is a bad idea, but no, violence is not inherently a part of it.
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Zikten posted...

MC_BatCommander posted...

why are people so adamant to defend Nazis?

why do people always confuse defending free speech for defending nazis? do you not remember the famous saying "I may hate what you say, but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it"

if we don't have free speech for people we find abhorrant, we don't have free speech for anyone

So says Mr "There are good Nazis too"
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hockeybub89 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

There have been Nazi rallies where no violence happens. Don't act dumb.

No there haven't. Nazi-style ideologies are violent. And no, I am not justifying going to every Nazi and punching them. But let's not trivialize their beliefs. That only serves to make them socially acceptable.

Words cannot be violent. Violence is a PHYSICAL act.
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darkjedilink posted...

Words cannot be violent.

Words that call for violent action are not "non violent."
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darkjedilink posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

There have been Nazi rallies where no violence happens. Don't act dumb.

No there haven't. Nazi-style ideologies are violent. And no, I am not justifying going to every Nazi and punching them. But let's not trivialize their beliefs. That only serves to make them socially acceptable.

Words cannot be violent. Violence is a PHYSICAL act.

(especially of an emotion or unpleasant or destructive natural force) very strong or powerful.
"violent dislike"
synonyms:intense, extreme, strong, powerful, vehement, intemperate, unbridled, uncontrollable, ungovernable, inordinate, consuming, passionate
"violent jealousy"

I didn't call it an act of physical violence and literally have condemned preemptive physical violence on these racist shitheads.
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That_Happened posted...

Crazyman93 posted...

That_Happened posted...

characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce

So it's communism?

Communism is a bad idea, but no, violence is not inherently a part of it.

Sure it is. How are the people who have property/resources made to redistribute it against their will?
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Dash_Harber posted...

Except there is nothing inherently in communism that says 'commit genocide against innocents'.

Communism isn't a viable ideology. It may be less openly edgy than Nazis but it's endgame isn't workable because humanity is inherently shit

/late
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Are there a bunch of commie rallies with a bunch of people waiving hammer and sickle flags that I have somehow missed?
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I have Mal_Fet tagged as "I'm really trying"

Good to see he continues to live up to his name
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CrimsonRage posted...

Bull. If a communist, ISIS-supporting Muslim, BLM, or Antifa member had been sucker-punched, you would not be making topic after topic after topic complaining about it. Guaran-damn-tee it.

Literally nobody on this board ever said it's ok to suckerpunch BLM/Antifa/Muslims
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Darmik posted...

Are there a bunch of commie rallies with a bunch of people waiving hammer and sickle flags that I have somehow missed?

You can't read between the lines. Communism creeps in by limiting free speech, universalizing income, etc. There are some fighting for that and some fighting against it. The fact that a terrorist group (antifa) exists without being properly labeled ridiculous.

My main, number 1 complaint with trump is the fact that antifa wasn't correctly labeled a terrorist organization in day one.
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--kresnik-- posted...

My main, number 1 complaint with trump is the fact that antifa wasn't correctly labeled a terrorist organization in day one.

If right-wing extremists are supposed to be ignored despite being the prolific terrorists in America, then there is no reason to worry about Antifa.
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There is so much projection in this topic.
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I remember when the whole Charlottesville thing happened and people were linking to screencaps of the Facebook event (because people were adamant it wasn't a white supremacist rally at that point) the Nazi commenters were talking about standing up to communist forces and commies.
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hockeybub89 posted...

If right-wing extremists are supposed to be ignored

No one said this.

Not even Trump said this despite fake news insisting he did.
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Mal_Fet posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

If right-wing extremists are supposed to be ignored

No one said this.

Not even Trump said this despite fake news insisting he did.

I'm not talking about Charlottesville. Domestic terrorism is not even a charge in the legal system. And things like this

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-extremists-program-exclusiv/exclusive-trump-to-focus-counter-extremism-program-solely-on-islam-sources-idUSKBN15G5VO

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-budget-extremism-idUSKBN18J2HJ

But Antifa is so much more of a serious terror group, what with a death toll of 0 and no clear group structure or goals. That is if you can get people to give a fuck about non-Islamic terrorism at all.
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uwnim posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Except there is nothing inherently in communism that says 'commit genocide against innocents'.

That whole class warfare thing got retroactively removed from The Communist Manifesto?

Not genocide. Goal is to remove their power, killing them all is not required.


Anyways tc, Nazi punching is ok because of ww2, punching commies is not because of the Cold War.

Nazi: "We just want to remove the Jews from power, killing them is not required."

@_@

hockeybub89 posted...

But Antifa is so much more of a serious terror group, what with a death toll of 0 and no clear group structure or goals.

You do realize the DHS and FBI classified their violence as terroristic acts, and not the alt-right, because the former regularly commits organized acts of mass political violence, and the latter does not, right?

Darmik posted...

Are there a bunch of commie rallies with a bunch of people waiving hammer and sickle flags that I have somehow missed?

@Darmik Just google antifa communist or antifa hammer and sickle.

TradPaladin01 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

But Antifa is so much more of a serious terror group, what with a death toll of 0 and no clear group structure or goals.

You do realize the DHS and FBI classified their violence as terroristic acts, and not the alt-right, because the former regularly commits organized acts of mass political violence, and the latter does not, right?

Right-wing extremists, such as those belonging to white supremacy groups, commit more terror attacks in the US than anyone else, though Islamic attacks have caused more deaths. And how can Antifa cause mass organized political violence when they aren't even organized? Antifa are no more terrorists than all but 1 of the Nazi shitheads in Charlottesville.

If actually killing people doesn't make white supremacy groups terrorists, then property damage and punching people can't be considered terroristic behavior.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Right-wing extremists, such as those belonging to white supremacy groups

So a vague, nebulous slur representing >50% of the population versus an actual network of activists that's been mass terrorizing people for more than a year.

Guess which I'm more worried about.

If the Tea Party also wore masks and spent a year beating the shit out of minorities and random Obama supporters, while being completely coddled by the MSM, corporate establishment, and members of both parties, then believe you me, I would have been the first in line calling them out on it.

TradPaladin01 posted...

So a vague, nebulous slur representing >50% of the population versus an actual network of activists that's been mass terrorizing people for more than a year.

Guess which I'm more worried about.

If I thought the entire right-wing was extremists, then I wouldn't need to use the word extremists. They would just be normal right-wingers. Why did you immediately make that assumption? I am talking people who have committed actual terrorism for actual reasons, not some conservative who voted against Obamacare and hurt my feelings.

I also didn't know the Trump-era media had been in charge of domestic terror investigations since 9/11. And once again, Antifa is not a network. It's a vague idea.

But please wrongfully accuse me of falling for some SJW liberal media shit while you lap up Fox News and Breitbart hot takes.
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hockeybub89 posted...

If I thought the entire right-wing was extremists, then I wouldn't need to use the word extremists. They would just be normal right-wingers.

Obviously any right-winger who initiates violence against someone unprovoked automatically becomes an extremist, just like Antifa is a coalition of left-wing extremists, which is, again, protected by people in power, unlike how, again, the Tea Party - a non-violent movement of freedom and anti-racism - was treated.

hockeybub89 posted...

I also didn't know the Trump-era media had been in charge of domestic terror investigations since 9/11.

DHS and FBI =/= Trump media. They came to this conclusions in mid 2016, but Obama did nothing about it as President because he supports Antifa.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-01-30/barack-obama-heartened-by-protests-against-donald-trump

Unlike Trump and other Republicans, who constantly disavow hate and violence from their side, Democrats like Obama, Hillary, and Lynch have promoted the "protest" movement since the inauguration without on any occasion condemning the violent, hateful extremists contained within.

TradPaladin01 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

If I thought the entire right-wing was extremists, then I wouldn't need to use the word extremists. They would just be normal right-wingers.

Obviously any right-winger who initiates violence against someone unprovoked automatically becomes an extremist, just like Antifa is a coalition of left-wing extremists, which is, again, protected by people in power, unlike how, again, the Tea Party - a non-violent movement of freedom and anti-racism - was treated.

hockeybub89 posted...

I also didn't know the Trump-era media had been in charge of domestic terror investigations since 9/11.

DHS and FBI =/= Trump media. They came to this conclusions in mid 2016, but Obama did nothing about it as President because he supports Antifa.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-01-30/barack-obama-heartened-by-protests-against-donald-trump

Unlike Trump and other Republicans, who constantly disavow hate and violence from their side, Democrats like Obama, Hillary, and Lynch have promoted the "protest" movement since the inauguration without on any occasion condemning the violent, hateful extremists contained within.

Remind me, again, who is in charge of all three branches of the Federal government, in addition to the majority of state governments? That's right, the Republican Party. If Antifa truly is being shielded by those in power, as you say, then guess who's protecting them?

Republicans. You make no god damn sense dude
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hockeybub89 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

There have been Nazi rallies where no violence happens. Don't act dumb.

No there haven't. Nazi-style ideologies are violent. And no, I am not justifying going to every Nazi and punching them. But let's not trivialize their beliefs. That only serves to make them socially acceptable.

Words cannot be violent. Violence is a PHYSICAL act.

(especially of an emotion or unpleasant or destructive natural force) very strong or powerful.
"violent dislike"
synonyms:intense, extreme, strong, powerful, vehement, intemperate, unbridled, uncontrollable, ungovernable, inordinate, consuming, passionate
"violent jealousy"

I didn't call it an act of physical violence and literally have condemned preemptive physical violence on these racist shitheads.

You can't use it as an adjective and call it violence.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Right-wing extremists, such as those belonging to white supremacy groups, commit more terror attacks in the US than anyone else, though Islamic attacks have caused more deaths. And how can Antifa cause mass organized political violence when they aren't even organized? Antifa are no more terrorists than all but 1 of the Nazi shitheads in Charlottesville.

If actually killing people doesn't make white supremacy groups terrorists, then property damage and punching people can't be considered terroristic behavior.

It can, actually. Killing is not a requirement in the definition of "terrorism".
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Mal_Fet posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Right-wing extremists, such as those belonging to white supremacy groups, commit more terror attacks in the US than anyone else, though Islamic attacks have caused more deaths. And how can Antifa cause mass organized political violence when they aren't even organized? Antifa are no more terrorists than all but 1 of the Nazi shitheads in Charlottesville.

If actually killing people doesn't make white supremacy groups terrorists, then property damage and punching people can't be considered terroristic behavior.

It can, actually. Killing is not a requirement in the definition of "terrorism".

What I said is. If killing for political means is not terrorism, then how can anything less be?
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hockeybub89 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Right-wing extremists, such as those belonging to white supremacy groups, commit more terror attacks in the US than anyone else, though Islamic attacks have caused more deaths. And how can Antifa cause mass organized political violence when they aren't even organized? Antifa are no more terrorists than all but 1 of the Nazi shitheads in Charlottesville.

If actually killing people doesn't make white supremacy groups terrorists, then property damage and punching people can't be considered terroristic behavior.

It can, actually. Killing is not a requirement in the definition of "terrorism".

What I said is. If killing for political means is not terrorism, then how can anything less be?

Is the killing planned by the group?
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