Current Events > Call Of Duty Has New "Centrist" Mode In Which Nazis Always Win

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Activision are standing firm in the face of angry player feedback from the beta test weekend of Call of Duty: WWII, claiming that the new ‘Centrist’ multiplayer mode is working as intended despite Nazis always winning.

The controversial new mode is coming under heavy criticism for the way that it forces all soldiers on the Allied side to approach every Nazi soldier and open up a dialogue with them, prior to any combat starting.

Once each individual Nazi has been fully interrogated as to their beliefs, motivations and values in an extensive 30-minute conversation, the Allied player must then attempt to debunk them through a series of ‘reason and logic’ quick-time events.

If the Allied player succeeds at the debunking phase, the Nazi player is removed from the game — but if they fail, the Allied player is converted to a Nazi and joins their team instead.

While this whole mechanic might sound like a reasonable foundation for a thriving democracy so far, what really has the pro-gaming community riled up is that Nazi players have no such restrictions and can just shoot anybody with their guns at any time.

“This game mode sucks balls,” explained pro gamer Neal Clayton. “It’s not fun to play and it’s not fun to be part of, in any capacity. Just thinking about it is making me angry.”

For their part however, Activision says that players just need to “give the Centrism experiment more time”.

“We’re confident that the Centrist mode will deliver great results,” said an Activision spokesperson in a statement.

“We understand that it feels like the Nazis are winning, but they are vulnerable to facts and logic, so we encourage Allied players to brush up on their debating skills and just keep engaging with the genocidal racists in good faith.”

http://www.pointandclickbait.com/2017/09/working-as-intended/

lmao
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lmao
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Reminds me of this Clickhole article.

http://www.clickhole.com/article/next-level-gaming-new-call-duty-will-penalize-play-6513
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Ha, nice
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i dont get the joke
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Kaname_Madoka posted...

i dont get the joke

It's making fun of the whole 'you beat Nazis/hatred through debate' thing that sprung up recently.
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Extremely on point.
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100% on point
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Antifa apologists are writing satire articles now.
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laffo
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The Admiral posted...

Antifa apologists are writing satire articles now.

Is it satire if it is literally what people like you advocate we do about Nazis?
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gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

Antifa apologists are writing satire articles now.

Is it satire if it is literally what people like you advocate we do about Nazis?

It's satire and blatant stupidity to not understand the difference between WW2 Nazis and 2017 US neo-Nazis.
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Lmao this is great

Darmik posted...

Kaname_Madoka posted...

i dont get the joke

It's making fun of the whole 'you beat Nazis/hatred through debate' thing that sprung up recently.

I think it also sort of touches on the people that are on the fence and keep saying things like, "well, both sides have a point" and shit like that.

The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

Antifa apologists are writing satire articles now.

Is it satire if it is literally what people like you advocate we do about Nazis?

It's satire and blatant stupidity to not understand the difference between WW2 Nazis and 2017 US neo-Nazis.

Both are exceedingly bad people with awful ideologies. Were you suggesting otherwise?
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That_Happened posted...

The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

Antifa apologists are writing satire articles now.

Is it satire if it is literally what people like you advocate we do about Nazis?

It's satire and blatant stupidity to not understand the difference between WW2 Nazis and 2017 US neo-Nazis.

Both are exceedingly bad people with awful ideologies. Unless you were arguing otherwise.

also one group was in germany and one group is in the US ;_;

The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

Antifa apologists are writing satire articles now.

Is it satire if it is literally what people like you advocate we do about Nazis?

It's satire and blatant stupidity to not understand the difference between WW2 Nazis and 2017 US neo-Nazis.

People have been saying this same crap about Wolfenstein 2 though.
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Man whoever wrote that is stupid as hell.
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Dash_Harber posted...

Darmik posted...

Kaname_Madoka posted...

i dont get the joke

It's making fun of the whole 'you beat Nazis/hatred through debate' thing that sprung up recently.

I think it also sort of touches on the people that are on the fence and keep saying things like, "well, both sides have a point" and shit like that.

This which is a good point. I don't even like antifa but I am so fucking sick of people defending the nazis with this fence sitting bullshit

The funny thing is that people will recognize this as satire and yet still unironically think things like "See? This is why we shouldn't use discussion! Because it wouldn't work in a literal wartime situation against a totalitarian government!"
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The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

Antifa apologists are writing satire articles now.

Is it satire if it is literally what people like you advocate we do about Nazis?

It's satire and blatant stupidity to not understand the difference between WW2 Nazis and 2017 US neo-Nazis.

Funny since neo-nazis actually have a death count in the hundreds yet you think antifa with a whopping 0 death count is worse.
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So do people really think that Hitler's third Reich and a bunch of basement dwellers with victim complexes are the exact same thing and pose the exact same threat or?
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YourDrunkFather posted...

So do people really think that Hitler's third Reich and a bunch of basement dwellers with victim complexes are the exact same thing and pose the exact same threat or?

Access to guns and promotion of racial genocide. I'd say it's threat enough.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

The funny thing is that people will recognize this as satire and yet still unironically think things like "See? This is why we shouldn't use discussion! Because it wouldn't work in a literal wartime situation against a totalitarian government!"

I'm not condoning violence against them but I really doubt these racist hillbillies are looking for a debate or an opportunity to be educated either.
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YourDrunkFather posted...

So do people really think that Hitler's third Reich and a bunch of basement dwellers with victim complexes are the exact same thing and pose the exact same threat or?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensboro_massacre

1979 more than 30 years after Hitler's Death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Brotherhood

According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the gang makes up less than 0.1% of the prison population, but it is responsible for between 18-25% of murders in the federal prison system.

We have also literally had people with white supremacist ties. Like Miller, Gorka, and Sessions in government.
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Darmik posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

The funny thing is that people will recognize this as satire and yet still unironically think things like "See? This is why we shouldn't use discussion! Because it wouldn't work in a literal wartime situation against a totalitarian government!"

I'm not condoning violence against them but I really doubt these racist hillbillies are looking for a debate or an opportunity to be educated either.

Debate isn't just to win over the other side. It's to win over everyone else. It's to win over all the people who maybe haven't heard their ideas or were curious about them as a group. It's to strengthen the ideological stability of the country, even if it doesn't necessarily win over the diehards on the other side of the fence.

Admittedly, you could use the fear-mongering and abject hostility approach to stir up hatred for the opposition instead. But I'd rather avoid thought policing and civil war if at all possible.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

Debate isn't just to win over the other side. It's to win over everyone else. It's to win over all the people who maybe haven't heard their ideas or were curious about them as a group. It's to strengthen the ideological stability of the country, even if it doesn't necessarily win over the diehards on the other side of the fence.

If Americans can be won over by Nazi protests I'm seriously concerned for you guys.

Dragonblade01 posted...

Admittedly, you could use the fear-mongering and abject hostility approach to stir up hatred for the opposition instead. But I'd rather avoid thought policing and civil war if at all possible.

Not sure why the kiddy gloves need to be on for Nazis to be honest. They're out on the streets preaching hate and indoctrinating people to their cause like any other extremist group. Nobody says this about ISIS, Scientology, Westboro etc.

People who act hateful and disgusting don't deserve respect. That doesn't mean they deserve violence. But that certainly does not mean they deserve respect.

If someone on the fence is willing to jump in a yard full of Nazis I wonder how serious they actually were about fence sitting. There's a long history with that group and their ideals are easy to see.
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Know why the kiddy gloves are on? Because white supremacists are predominately white, and want things that benefit white people.

It's the end game of the status quo. Wipe out those who are different.

And it's why antifa and blm terrify centrists. Because they fear they'll lose something if everything was equal.
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Darmik posted...

If Americans can be won over by Nazi protests I'm seriously concerned for you guys.

If someone on the fence is willing to jump in a yard full of Nazis I wonder how serious they actually were about fence sitting. There's a long history with that group and their ideals are easy to see.

That's what everyone says. But time marches on, history repeats, the names of ideas get changed; and without a foundation of knowledge by which to understand how to evaluate the ideas before you and a willingness to tackle them so you aren't caught off-guard, those who subscribe to such ideas will inevitably increase.

Darmik posted...

Not sure why the kiddy gloves need to be on for Nazis to be honest. They're out on the streets preaching hate and indoctrinating people to their cause like any other extremist group. Nobody says this about ISIS, Scientology, Westboro etc.

You can call their ideas stupid or whatever as much as you or anybody else wants. That's fine. I don't have a problem with criticizing people who promote ideas you disagree with. I have no problem with treating Neo-Nazis like we treat Scientology. But I would have a huge problem with treating them like how we treat ISIS, which is a literal terrorist organization. If we were talking about a group like the Aryan Brotherhood, that would be one thing. But we're not. We're talking about a bunch of random citizens who have subscribed to an idea for whatever reason. Like Westboro, you can call them stupid. Hell, I would call them stupid. Just be sure you are able and willing to give a good answer for why you call them that when asked.

Darmik posted...

People who act hateful and disgusting don't deserve respect. That doesn't mean they deserve violence. But that certainly does not mean they deserve respect.

I'm not asking you to respect them. I'm asking you to respect the idea of a world where we try to understand ideas and don't treat people like they're criminals just for holding a different (even if hateful) position. Punish those who act violently and commit actual crimes. Punish the group if you find a clearly organized group of violent terrorists among them. But don't nip ideas in the bud through dismissive rhetoric. If it does anything, it'll only help it spread.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

That's what everyone says. But time marches on, history repeats, the names of ideas get changed; and without a foundation of knowledge by which to understand how to evaluate the ideas before you and a willingness to tackle them so you aren't caught off-guard, those who subscribe to such ideas will inevitably increase.

These guys have already chosen which foundation to build their knowledge on. They live in America. We're not talking about some poor people stuck in a third world country who have no other choice.


Dragonblade01 posted...

You can call their ideas stupid or whatever as much as you or anybody else wants. That's fine. I don't have a problem with criticizing people who promote ideas you disagree with. I have no problem with treating Neo-Nazis like we treat Scientology. But I would have a huge problem with treating them like how we treat ISIS, which is a literal terrorist organization. If we were talking about a group like the Aryan Brotherhood, that would be one thing. But we're not. We're talking about a bunch of random citizens who have subscribed to an idea for whatever reason. Like Westboro, you can call them stupid. Hell, I would call them stupid. Just be sure you are able and willing to give a good answer for why you call them that when asked.

Not everyone who follows ISIS is going to murder people. Not all Islamic extremists rely on murder and terrorism. It's a dangerous ideology that leads to violence and violent people. They're also a bunch of random citizens who have subscribed to an idea for whatever reason. Nazism is the same. They have killed people in the past and if this ideology is accepted they will kill again. It's a hateful and violent movement. It goes beyond stupidity. If people are joining either of these groups they are joining an ideology that not only condones hate but have violent histories. They see large groups of people as the enemy and that's what makes their entire movements dangerous.

Dragonblade01 posted...

I'm not asking you to respect them. I'm asking you to respect the idea of a world where we try to understand ideas and don't treat people like they're criminals just for holding a different (even if hateful) position. Punish those who act violently and commit actual crimes. Punish the group if you find a clearly organized group of violent terrorists among them. But don't nip ideas in the bud through dismissive rhetoric. If it does anything, it'll only help it spread.

These people turned up in riot gear shouting hateful rhetoric. These people waived the symbol that represented a movement that lead to genocide and some of the most horrific acts in modern history. Anyone who is willingly a part of this movement should be absolutely called out for this. They do not deserve to be debated and they don't deserve any sort of middle ground regardless if they have been violent or not. Being associated with them condones their history.
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if we should debate neo nazis then we should debate isis. conservatives are ok with that right?
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The dumb thing about all this crap is the idea that some dumbasses waving around nazi flags at a protest are morally equivalent to the actual leadership of the Third Reich.

Actions actually matter. It's not just all about what comes out of your mouth or what you post on social media.
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neo nazis are obviously not as much of a danger as the nazis in ww2 were, but those nazis started with just rallies and debate too. not to mention the ideas of white supremacy, segregation, secession and genocide are dangerous ones to spread. there shouldn't be a platform where one person is a neo nazi and the other person opposes them. there's no equal standing there in that debate, it's like debating creationism and evolution - it's a dumb idea

tho I agree treating them like the westboro baptist church is a good idea
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gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

Antifa apologists are writing satire articles now.

Is it satire if it is literally what people like you advocate we do about Nazis?

Ben Shapiro isn't a Nazi, no matter how many times Antifa riots when he speaks.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

The dumb thing about all this crap is the idea that some dumbasses waving around nazi flags at a protest are morally equivalent to the actual leadership of the Third Reich.

Actions actually matter. It's not just all about what comes out of your mouth or what you post on social media.

Is the Nazi end goal to spout rhetoric about racial superiority and genocide and then just do nothing? Like, "Phew, I finally got that off my chest, now to respect minorities".
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gunplagirl posted...

Know why the kiddy gloves are on? Because white supremacists are predominately white, and want things that benefit white people.

It's the end game of the status quo. Wipe out those who are different.

And it's why antifa and blm terrify centrists. Because they fear they'll lose something if everything was equal.

Literally calling black supremacy "equal."
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darkjedilink posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Know why the kiddy gloves are on? Because white supremacists are predominately white, and want things that benefit white people.

It's the end game of the status quo. Wipe out those who are different.

And it's why antifa and blm terrify centrists. Because they fear they'll lose something if everything was equal.

Literally calling black supremacy "equal."

If you think BLM is for black supremacy then you're so wrong I can't be bothered to figure some fancy comparison
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gunplagirl posted...

If you think BLM is for black supremacy then you're so wrong

lmao you can't be serious. although you are a well known sjw...

poes law... ugh...
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Rika_Furude posted...

gunplagirl posted...

If you think BLM is for black supremacy then you're so wrong

lmao you can't be serious. although you are a well known sjw...

poes law... ugh...

Go ahead and prove blm is about black supremacy.

I'm guessing blue lives matter is about cop superiority?
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SGT_Conti posted...

Is the Nazi end goal to spout rhetoric about racial superiority and genocide and then just do nothing? Like, "Phew, I finally got that off my chest, now to respect minorities".

Seriously fucking this. I can't fathom how someone can see the word Nazi and think, wait a minute... let's hear these guys out. Nazism has NO place in America, and NO place on earth. Their voice does not deserve to be heard and it needs to be stamped out quickly and with ferocity. Make Nazis afraid again.
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We need CoD on the Switch. I'm desperate for a FPS online game. I love my Switch. But when the hell do we get some serious third party games on the damn thing???
This is what Nintendo promised us when we bought the thing:

But so far nothing.

MorbidFaithless posted...

SGT_Conti posted...

Is the Nazi end goal to spout rhetoric about racial superiority and genocide and then just do nothing? Like, "Phew, I finally got that off my chest, now to respect minorities".

Seriously fucking this. I can't fathom how someone can see the word Nazi and think, wait a minute... let's hear these guys out. Nazism has NO place in America, and NO place on earth. Their voice does not deserve to be heard and it needs to be stamped out quickly and with ferocity. Make Nazis afraid again.

Indeed. They don't need to be in charge of the government to kill people. And they have. And are. And will continue to kill until we remove them from society.

And yes, there's more than a few of them high up in the government. Or at least ones who would appeal to them and not endanger them as their base.
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Nikra posted...

We need CoD on the Switch. I'm desperate for a FPS online game. I love my Switch. But when the hell do we get some serious third party games on the damn thing???

Maybe next year. Treyarch have developed a few COD games on Nintendo platforms.
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This turned to shit pretty quickly
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ReignFury posted...

This turned to shit pretty quickly

CE applied its magic touch
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That_Happened posted...

The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

Antifa apologists are writing satire articles now.

Is it satire if it is literally what people like you advocate we do about Nazis?

It's satire and blatant stupidity to not understand the difference between WW2 Nazis and 2017 US neo-Nazis.

Both are exceedingly bad people with awful ideologies. Were you suggesting otherwise?

That's not true. One parties almost worst because they had 80 years to reflect on how stupid the ideology was and how ineffective the whole thing ended up being.

MorbidFaithless posted...

SGT_Conti posted...

Is the Nazi end goal to spout rhetoric about racial superiority and genocide and then just do nothing? Like, "Phew, I finally got that off my chest, now to respect minorities".

Seriously fucking this. I can't fathom how someone can see the word Nazi and think, wait a minute... let's hear these guys out. Nazism has NO place in America, and NO place on earth. Their voice does not deserve to be heard and it needs to be stamped out quickly and with ferocity. Make Nazis afraid again.

Way to fucking strawman.

Nobody is advocating 'hearing out' actual Nazis. We're saying that you can't just call someone you disagree with a Nazi so you can suckerpunch them with a clear conscience.
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Dash_Harber posted...

That_Happened posted...

The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

Antifa apologists are writing satire articles now.

Is it satire if it is literally what people like you advocate we do about Nazis?

It's satire and blatant stupidity to not understand the difference between WW2 Nazis and 2017 US neo-Nazis.

Both are exceedingly bad people with awful ideologies. Were you suggesting otherwise?

That's not true. One parties almost worst because they had 80 years to reflect on how stupid the ideology was and how ineffective the whole thing ended up being.

One party literally attempted genocide. The other says mean things and gets into fights.

How are they even remotely comparable?
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Darmik posted...

These people turned up in riot gear shouting hateful rhetoric. These people waived the symbol that represented a movement that lead to genocide and some of the most horrific acts in modern history. Anyone who is willingly a part of this movement should be absolutely called out for this.

Do you realize that this is more true of communists than it is of Nazis

Communists killed way more innocent people than Nazis did and are still parading the streets with weapons destroying buildings and cars and calling for an end to basic human rights like free speech.

What relevant difference is there between Antifa and the Neo Nazis
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