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J E S U S
09/02/17 11:26:10 AM
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communism will never work because people like to own things
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averagejoel
09/02/17 11:39:10 AM
#103:


J E S U S posted...
communism will never work because people like to own things

if you think people couldn't own things under communism, you are mistaken

google "personal property vs. private property"
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wah_wah_wah
09/02/17 12:16:48 PM
#104:


darkjedilink posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
To some extent the free market is for suckers. That's why wealthy people preach about the free market. Not because it helps the poor and their managers. Because the free market is not what they participated in to get rich, oh no, but if everyone had the power and protection they had, then the whole system falls apart. So get back to work, bitch. Daddy needs a new government-protected yacht.

Those "protections" you spew hatred towards the rich over prove it's not a free market.

I never said I hated the wealthy, but nearly all wealthy people have a thinly veiled contempt for anyone earning less than billions. If you think the President would crash at your place for a weekend and would pound a beer with you, you're an idiot. He thinks your trash.
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Knowledge_King
09/02/17 3:09:37 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Knowledge_King posted...
tennisdude818 posted...


And cancer is capitalisims fault!


Kinda. It stems from bad diet which is heavily influenced by capitalism. Also less incentive to find cheap cures.


under capitalism there is a lot of incentive to have the best product at the lowest cost. cheap cures would steal a lot of market share from the expensive cures.

this is why products and services are overall getting cheaper with time


But it makes more sense to keep the expensive treatment rather than the cheap cure (which is what they do). And I've seen almost nothing as solid as a cure get cheaper with time. Products only get cheaper due to being mass produced and no longer rare.
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darkjedilink
09/02/17 3:20:11 PM
#106:


averagejoel posted...
J E S U S posted...
communism will never work because people like to own things

if you think people couldn't own things under communism, you are mistaken

google "personal property vs. private property"

Under Communism, nobody has a right to any property, personal, private, or otherwise, if someone says that a 'greater good' is served by it being taken from you.
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darkjedilink
09/02/17 3:21:49 PM
#107:


hockeybub89 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Class based communism has been replaced by the oppression olympics aka social Marxism.

Replaced by who in where? Angry Facebook posts? Neither of those have any traction in most developed countries.

The entire Democratic platform in the US is based on social Marxism.
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Antifar
09/02/17 3:22:52 PM
#108:


darkjedilink posted...
The entire Democratic platform in the US is based on social Marxism.

I'm haveing a stroke
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averagejoel
09/02/17 3:40:41 PM
#109:


darkjedilink posted...
averagejoel posted...
J E S U S posted...
communism will never work because people like to own things

if you think people couldn't own things under communism, you are mistaken

google "personal property vs. private property"

Under Communism, nobody has a right to any property, personal, private, or otherwise, if someone says that a 'greater good' is served by it being taken from you.

this is blatantly not true
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Questionmarktarius
09/02/17 3:47:46 PM
#110:


darkjedilink posted...
if someone says that a 'greater good' is served by it being taken from you.

There is no form of government where this is not true.
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HiddenLurker
09/02/17 3:55:12 PM
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It's popular because it works.... on paper.

In reality not so much and any examples are automaticly dismissed as not true communism.
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tennisdude818
09/02/17 3:55:47 PM
#112:


Knowledge_King posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Knowledge_King posted...
tennisdude818 posted...


And cancer is capitalisims fault!


Kinda. It stems from bad diet which is heavily influenced by capitalism. Also less incentive to find cheap cures.


under capitalism there is a lot of incentive to have the best product at the lowest cost. cheap cures would steal a lot of market share from the expensive cures.

this is why products and services are overall getting cheaper with time


But it makes more sense to keep the expensive treatment rather than the cheap cure (which is what they do). And I've seen almost nothing as solid as a cure get cheaper with time. Products only get cheaper due to being mass produced and no longer rare.


Laser eye surgery gets cheaper and better over time because it's a relatively free market. The government creates scarcity in healthcare by making it so expensive and time consuming to bring new treatments to the market.

If I find a new cheap way to cure cancer I have every incentive to dominate the market with it. It may not be immediately positive for competitors but it's good for me.
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averagejoel
09/02/17 3:59:09 PM
#113:


HiddenLurker posted...
It's popular because it works.... on paper.

In reality not so much and any examples are automaticly dismissed as not true communism.

that's because full communism is a stateless society, and it has never actually been achieved

it hasn't happened yet because the US keeps funding counter-revolutionary groups, kidnapping or assassinating any democratically elected leaders with any progressive platforms, and installing fascist dictators in their stead
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HiddenLurker
09/02/17 4:01:26 PM
#114:


averagejoel posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
It's popular because it works.... on paper.

In reality not so much and any examples are automaticly dismissed as not true communism.

*No true scot.....er communist fallacy*

Thank you very much for proving my point.
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averagejoel
09/02/17 4:08:52 PM
#115:


HiddenLurker posted...
averagejoel posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
It's popular because it works.... on paper.

In reality not so much and any examples are automaticly dismissed as not true communism.

*No true scot.....er communist fallacy*

Thank you very much for proving my point.

ok, I'm game: name 1 society since Marx that has existed without a state
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FLUFFYGERM
09/02/17 8:11:31 PM
#116:


averagejoel posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
It's popular because it works.... on paper.

In reality not so much and any examples are automaticly dismissed as not true communism.

that's because full communism is a stateless society, and it has never actually been achieved

it hasn't happened yet because the US keeps funding counter-revolutionary groups, kidnapping or assassinating any democratically elected leaders with any progressive platforms, and installing fascist dictators in their stead


you have never provided evidence for this nonsense. plz stop polluting this board with your posts
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averagejoel
09/02/17 9:01:02 PM
#117:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
It's popular because it works.... on paper.

In reality not so much and any examples are automaticly dismissed as not true communism.

that's because full communism is a stateless society, and it has never actually been achieved

it hasn't happened yet because the US keeps funding counter-revolutionary groups, kidnapping or assassinating any democratically elected leaders with any progressive platforms, and installing fascist dictators in their stead


you have never provided evidence for this nonsense. plz stop polluting this board with your posts

yes I have - you just ignored it
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FLUFFYGERM
09/02/17 10:57:14 PM
#118:


averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
It's popular because it works.... on paper.

In reality not so much and any examples are automaticly dismissed as not true communism.

that's because full communism is a stateless society, and it has never actually been achieved

it hasn't happened yet because the US keeps funding counter-revolutionary groups, kidnapping or assassinating any democratically elected leaders with any progressive platforms, and installing fascist dictators in their stead


you have never provided evidence for this nonsense. plz stop polluting this board with your posts

yes I have - you just ignored it


no you didnt, you pasted random wikipedia links that didnt even say what you said
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averagejoel
09/03/17 7:23:31 AM
#119:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
no you didnt, you pasted random wikipedia links that didnt even say what you said

this is one of many indications that you weren't listening.

those pages weren't random. they were pages about countries that had their democracies undermined by the US, focusing on their elected leaders. it's all fairly common knowledge among historians
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ChromaticAngel
09/03/17 10:18:26 PM
#120:


The Admiral posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Rather, it seems what's becoming more popular is the desire for more policies which include socialist ideas.


What's becoming popular to young people is programs where they get free things, or get social praises for granting free things to other people, and never pay for it themselves. When young people touting socialism/communism are asked to personally contribute more money to make these expanded social programs viable, they become extremely conservative:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/03/24/millennials-like-socialism-until-they-get-jobs/


Sorry I'm having a hard time figuring out if washington post is fake news or not. So lets get it straight. If they post something that agrees with your preconceived opinions, it's legitimate, and when they post something that takes a steaming dump on everything you advocate, it's fake news?
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The Admiral
09/04/17 12:30:17 PM
#121:


ChromaticAngel posted...
The Admiral posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Rather, it seems what's becoming more popular is the desire for more policies which include socialist ideas.


What's becoming popular to young people is programs where they get free things, or get social praises for granting free things to other people, and never pay for it themselves. When young people touting socialism/communism are asked to personally contribute more money to make these expanded social programs viable, they become extremely conservative:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/03/24/millennials-like-socialism-until-they-get-jobs/


Sorry I'm having a hard time figuring out if washington post is fake news or not. So lets get it straight. If they post something that agrees with your preconceived opinions, it's legitimate, and when they post something that takes a steaming dump on everything you advocate, it's fake news?


CNN is the organization that posts fake news, WashPo just has biased op-ed writers. Not that your post is anything more than a deflection anyway.
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Kaname_Madoka
09/05/17 4:23:01 PM
#122:


no true scotsman
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