Current Events > In a sense, I kinda hope Barron Trump comes out as Transgender.

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get a life

DiegoSanchez206 posted...

It's too bad you are the way you are.

Why? Would you have taken me out for dinner? :)

ChrisHanson24 posted...

get a life

I have one. I am just looking for someone to spend it with.... if you are up for a ride. ;)
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Sayoria posted...

DiegoSanchez206 posted...

You are bad. Why are you comparing yourself to trump?

You are a person that wants a child to have a mental disorder. Stop deflecting and think about you.

I think about myself all the time and how awesome I am. I know, you want me. <3

_Rinku_ posted...

Cis is the opposite of trans though. I don't personally have a problem being described as cis.

I think it's just a bad term. So the opposite of transportation would be cisportation? ... So if I was sitting in a restaurant, I would be using cisportation?... Nah, I am simply not using transportation at that time. What about trans fats. Does this mean that all the good fat is cis fat? ....


I mean, if cis is the opposite of trans and it was to be applied wherever you were looking for an opposite of "trans", it just seems stupid. Saying one thing is simply "not transgender", "not trans fat" and "not transportation" seems more logical.

Transportation. Carrying (port) objects from one end to another (trans). The opposite of moving something would be keeping it still. Therefore, there are several key reasons why it wouldn't be cisportation if you're not moving. Incidentally, not all root words function the same every time. While the nuances of rules can in fact change based on context and a few other things like how language evolves to create words to describe phenomena we have always experienced, just didn't necessarily have the words for.

So like. Read a book or stfu?
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Sylph posted...

gunplagirl posted...

There can be tiny bits that even silver nitrate doesn't get rid of inside. I'm sure you got some of that not long after being able to go home.

No, I never has to use silver nitrate at all. Everything was almost healed up by the time I came home. I only had a tiny bit of granulation around the rim, and definitely not enough to need any treatment. It went away entirely on its own within a couple of weeks.

Is it penile or scrotal inversion that you got? I would see the latter not needing as much care of that sort for several reasons.
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gunplagirl posted...

Sayoria posted...

DiegoSanchez206 posted...

You are bad. Why are you comparing yourself to trump?

You are a person that wants a child to have a mental disorder. Stop deflecting and think about you.

I think about myself all the time and how awesome I am. I know, you want me. <3

_Rinku_ posted...

Cis is the opposite of trans though. I don't personally have a problem being described as cis.

I think it's just a bad term. So the opposite of transportation would be cisportation? ... So if I was sitting in a restaurant, I would be using cisportation?... Nah, I am simply not using transportation at that time. What about trans fats. Does this mean that all the good fat is cis fat? ....


I mean, if cis is the opposite of trans and it was to be applied wherever you were looking for an opposite of "trans", it just seems stupid. Saying one thing is simply "not transgender", "not trans fat" and "not transportation" seems more logical.

Transportation. Carrying (port) objects from one end to another (trans). The opposite of moving something would be keeping it still. Therefore, there are several key reasons why it wouldn't be cisportation if you're not moving. Incidentally, not all root words function the same every time. While the nuances of rules can in fact change based on context and a few other things like how language evolves to create words to describe phenomena we have always experienced, just didn't necessarily have the words for.

So like. Read a book or stfu?

So if you are not carrying objects from one port to the other, that would be called cisportation.... or stationary.... because the opposite of transporting is leaving something in stationary. So yeah, cisportation would be just that.

Listen, dont get mad at me. I am using this in the sense like everyone else. Trans and cis are opposite. You've said it. Asudem has said it. If that's the case, then what I said was right.
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Sayoria posted...

I think it's just a bad term. So the opposite of transportation would be cisportation? ... So if I was sitting in a restaurant, I would be using cisportation?... Nah, I am simply not using transportation at that time. What about trans fats. Does this mean that all the good fat is cis fat? ....


I mean, if cis is the opposite of trans and it was to be applied wherever you were looking for an opposite of "trans", it just seems stupid. Saying one thing is simply "not transgender", "not trans fat" and "not transportation" seems more logical.

Well, "transportation" likely doesn't have the same language origin as the word "transgender." Honestly, that's the most moronic, slippery slope argument I've ever heard. You are aware that there are cis fats, right? And that the prefix has to do with its structure. I wish I could tell you more, but it's been at least six years since I took a chemistry class.

"Not transgender" sounds more negative than "cisgender" to me. "Not x" sounds inherently negative in this context, honestly. It sounds like, "No, I'm not transgender, I'm normal." Cisgender isn't "normal"; it's just the opposite of transgender.

If you don't want to use the word, that's fine. I personally have no issue being called a cisgender male. It bothers me when some people use it as an insult, but people do the same with "transgender" and I'm sure you don't stop using that word.

_Rinku_ posted...

Sayoria posted...

I think it's just a bad term. So the opposite of transportation would be cisportation? ... So if I was sitting in a restaurant, I would be using cisportation?... Nah, I am simply not using transportation at that time. What about trans fats. Does this mean that all the good fat is cis fat? ....


I mean, if cis is the opposite of trans and it was to be applied wherever you were looking for an opposite of "trans", it just seems stupid. Saying one thing is simply "not transgender", "not trans fat" and "not transportation" seems more logical.

Well, "transportation" likely doesn't have the same language origin as the word "transgender." Honestly, that's the most moronic, slippery slope argument I've ever heard. You are aware that there are cis fats, right? And that the prefix has to do with its structure. I wish I could tell you more, but it's been at least six years since I took a chemistry class.

"Not transgender" sounds more negative than "cisgender" to me. "Not x" sounds inherently negative in this context, honestly. It sounds like, "No, I'm not transgender, I'm normal." Cisgender isn't "normal"; it's just the opposite of transgender.

If you don't want to use the word, that's fine. I personally have no issue being called a cisgender male. It bothers me when some people use it as an insult, but people do the same with "transgender" and I'm sure you don't stop using that word.

Winner *too lazy to tag as such but feel free to sig me calling you winner*
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_Rinku_ posted...

Sayoria posted...

I think it's just a bad term. So the opposite of transportation would be cisportation? ... So if I was sitting in a restaurant, I would be using cisportation?... Nah, I am simply not using transportation at that time. What about trans fats. Does this mean that all the good fat is cis fat? ....


I mean, if cis is the opposite of trans and it was to be applied wherever you were looking for an opposite of "trans", it just seems stupid. Saying one thing is simply "not transgender", "not trans fat" and "not transportation" seems more logical.

Well, "transportation" likely doesn't have the same language origin as the word "transgender." Honestly, that's the most moronic, slippery slope argument I've ever heard. You are aware that there are cis fats, right? And that the prefix has to do with its structure. I wish I could tell you more, but it's been at least six years since I took a chemistry class.

"Not transgender" sounds more negative than "cisgender" to me. "Not x" sounds inherently negative in this context, honestly. It sounds like, "No, I'm not transgender, I'm normal." Cisgender isn't "normal"; it's just the opposite of transgender.

If you don't want to use the word, that's fine. I personally have no issue being called a cisgender male. It bothers me when some people use it as an insult, but people do the same with "transgender" and I'm sure you don't stop using that word.

Please. Cisportation at least sounds like it could be an actual word. Cisgender sounds like you threw letters into a mixer or something.

The way I see it, "cisgender" is putting non-trans women and trans women in different categories. If a woman is called "cisgender", then that is nothing I could ever amount to. "Oh, she's a cisgender woman!..... but I'll never be." .... Well I see it as this. I say non-trans as a way of making biological women stay as "women." This way, it's more inclusive rather than trying to put us in one box and them in another.

Two untouched circles is how people who use cisgender see it. There's trans women, and there's cisgender women. Two circles not touching one another. Completely different.

The way I see it, trans women are a circle within the circle of "woman".... Think like this:



I can't see cisgender being a positive thing for trans people. At all. The group I would call "non-transgender" would be within the green and outside of the purple, while the green itself is ALL women.
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gunplagirl posted...

Is it penile or scrotal inversion that you got? I would see the latter not needing as much care of that sort for several reasons.

I got penile inversion via Brassard. I don't really know, but I've always been a quick healer. I had no bruising or external swelling by the end of the first week either, and the guide definitely said that it could take half a year.
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Well, Say, the truth is that you will never be a cisgender woman. You're still a woman. You're the only one putting these limitations on yourself.

Sayoria posted...

I can't see cisgender being a positive thing for trans people. At all. The group I would call "non-transgender" would be within the green and outside of the purple, while the green itself is ALL women.

I don't worry as much about gender anymore. It doesn't really factor into how I interact with someone by default. Obviously things become more personalized over time, but otherwise meh. That might seem odd since I obviously cared enough about gender to change everything, but the difference is that I did that for me, and nothing else. I don't worry about being seen as male or female, because I see myself as female regardless and it seems that the world does as well. It could be that this is something like passing privilege, but I don't know what to say otherwise.
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_Rinku_ posted...

Well, Say, the truth is that you will never be a cisgender woman. You're still a woman. You're the only one putting these limitations on yourself.

I know I am still a woman, but now how does this "We are all women" blanket fall? Another circle covering both the cisgender and transgender circles? Then what about the gaps inbetween? What kind of women are those?

It just makes no sense. It's not limitation when I am being actually inclusive.

Sylph posted...

Sayoria posted...

I can't see cisgender being a positive thing for trans people. At all. The group I would call "non-transgender" would be within the green and outside of the purple, while the green itself is ALL women.

I don't worry as much about gender anymore. It doesn't really factor into how I interact with someone by default. Obviously things become more personalized over time, but otherwise meh. That might seem odd since I obviously cared enough about gender to change everything, but the difference is that I did that for me, and nothing else. I don't worry about being seen as male or female, because I see myself as female regardless and it seems that the world does as well. It could be that this is something like passing privilege, but I don't know what to say otherwise.

Outside of the internet, I never even hear "cisgender" and I never want to. It's so stupid.
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You're limiting yourself from understanding why someone would use cisgender. I can see why you might think that it excludes transgender women from being "real women" but that's not what I mean.

Cis and trans women are both women. Another example following your diagram, but without a picture:

I'm live in Alabama. My friend Jim lives in Alabama. We both like college football. So, we both fall under the umbrella "Alabamian Football Fan."

I'm a fan of the University of Alabama and Jim's a fan of Auburn University. Thus, we're in two different subgroups under the umbrella category "Alabamian Football Fan." That doesn't change the fact that we both are Alabamian Football Fans; we're just different types.

Obviously, it's not a 1:1 comparison, but I hope you understand what I mean.

_Rinku_ posted...

You're limiting yourself from understanding why someone would use cisgender. I can see why you might think that it excludes transgender women from being "real women" but that's not what I mean.

Cis and trans women are both women. Another example following your diagram, but without a picture:

I'm live in Alabama. My friend Jim lives in Alabama. We both like college football. So, we both fall under the umbrella "Alabamian Football Fan."

I'm a fan of the University of Alabama and Jim's a fan of Auburn University. Thus, we're in two different subgroups under the umbrella category "Alabamian Football Fan." That doesn't change the fact that we both are Alabamian Football Fans; we're just different types.

Obviously, it's not a 1:1 comparison, but I hope you understand what I mean.

I get what you mean but the thing is, trans women want to be seen as women. All of a sudden, that term came out of nowhere and whether you agree or not, it creates a division. I just don't get why trans women are so in support of such a division.

In your diagram, trans women are still different and will always be part of something at a smaller level, but will always be reminded that they aren't in the "cisgender-sphere" .... there, the misery can build because "I'll never be one of them. I can be saying I am, but I want to be with the cisgenders" .... My view, you "are" one of them. You just have an added trait.

If you have a woman with down syndrome and a woman without, the women who have down syndrome would be just like that circle I have listed as transgender. They are a portion of the full women circle. There's no "up syndrome" or anything to differentiate. It's still a woman, but with the added element. There's no need to add dividers.
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I think a woman with down syndrome could be called "neurodivergent" and a woman without down syndrome could be called "neurotypical." I see those particular labels relatively often for discussions on various mental disabilities.

I suppose we have a fundamental disagreement on the purpose/need for labels. It helps some people understand and accept who they are. Like people who put "I'm a demi ace transwoman" at the top of their profile. I wouldn't do it, but I understand that it's also a thing of being proud of who they are.

Additionally, cisgender seems appropriate for discussions about, well, cis privilege. A cisgender woman doesn't have to consider whether or not to disclose what she was born with in regards to the safety of her life. Surely you agree on that?

If you have to disclose that to be safe, you are doing life wrong. I wouldn't give anyone like that the time of day let alone let them touch me.
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A transgender woman should just tell because their life is at high risk if they keep that a secret. I know that is beside the point though.

When talking about "cisgender" people, I still don't see it as a hard thing to say "non-trans" or "women who aren't transgender" .... It seems far too easy.

"A cisgender woman doesn't have to consider whether or not to disclose what she was born with in regards to the safety of her life."

"A non-transgender woman doesn't have to consider whether or not to disclose what she was born with in regards to the safety of her life."

"A woman who is not transgender doesn't have to consider whether or not to disclose what she was born with in regards to the safety of her life."

I see no problem with those last two sentences.


Sorry, but yes. We will have to disagree, because I am heavily stubborn on this subject and I can't see "cisgender" as anything good in any way. I've been happy with myself (outside of romance) for a while, seeing it the way I do. Maybe I am doing this right since I tend to be so happy and many other trans women tend to be miserable. I don't see myself as an outsider. I see myself as an insider.
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Sylph posted...

If you have to disclose that to be safe, you are doing life wrong. I wouldn't give anyone like that the time of day let alone let them touch me.

People can surprise you sometimes.

If that makes you happy, Say, keep doing it.

Personally, cisgender is also shorter and easier to say.

_Rinku_ posted...

If that makes you happy, Say, keep doing it.

Personally, cisgender is also shorter and easier to say.

It's a good way of outting one's self too. No "cisgender" person will use the term in real life. At least no one who is outside of the LGBT. The moment I hear someone say it, I think someone in that group is a transsexual. Seriously.
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Sayoria posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

If that makes you happy, Say, keep doing it.

Personally, cisgender is also shorter and easier to say.

It's a good way of outting one's self too. No "cisgender" person will use the term in real life. At least no one who is outside of the LGBT. The moment I hear someone say it, I think someone in that group is a transsexual. Seriously.

I'm a heterosexual cisgender man. I use those terms to describe myself in real life.

I don't quite understand the transsexual connection though. Could you explain what you mean by that?

_Rinku_ posted...

Sayoria posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

If that makes you happy, Say, keep doing it.

Personally, cisgender is also shorter and easier to say.

It's a good way of outting one's self too. No "cisgender" person will use the term in real life. At least no one who is outside of the LGBT. The moment I hear someone say it, I think someone in that group is a transsexual. Seriously.

I'm a heterosexual cisgender man. I use those terms to describe myself in real life.

I don't quite understand the transsexual connection though. Could you explain what you mean by that?

Because only those acquainted with a transgender person uses the term seriously. If you do, then that's strange. I've never once heard anyone use it like that in person before.
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I think I'm clear proof that you don't have to know a transgender person to use the term cisgender.

How the fuck is topic not taken down.
Y'all a bunch sick fucks
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_Rinku_ posted...

I think I'm clear proof that you don't have to know a transgender person to use the term cisgender.

You are odd.

If someone says cisgender, that means they are acknowledging trans people.
If they are acknowledging trans people without trans people there, it seems so try-hard to me.

I mean, whatever works for you I suppose.
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Sayoria posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

I think I'm clear proof that you don't have to know a transgender person to use the term cisgender.

You are odd.

If someone says cisgender, that means they are acknowledging trans people.
If they are acknowledging trans people without trans people there, it seems so try-hard to me.

I mean, whatever works for you I suppose.

That's awfully rude of you to say.

I'd say inclusive, but that's just me.

_Rinku_ posted...

Sayoria posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

I think I'm clear proof that you don't have to know a transgender person to use the term cisgender.

You are odd.

If someone says cisgender, that means they are acknowledging trans people.
If they are acknowledging trans people without trans people there, it seems so try-hard to me.

I mean, whatever works for you I suppose.

That's awfully rude of you to say.

I'd say inclusive, but that's just me.

Believe it or not, I wasn't trying to come off as rude with that. I can't think of a better term. I wouldn't say inclusive is anywhere I want it to be.

It's more.... I dunno. Unneeded at an unneeded time. I just see no reason to even actively bring the word up unless a trans person was there.
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Sylph posted...

If you have to disclose that to be safe, you are doing life wrong. I wouldn't give anyone like that the time of day let alone let them touch me.

Precisely. They should disclose it's a deal breaker if anything. Let others know they're bigots.
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gunplagirl posted...

Sylph posted...

If you have to disclose that to be safe, you are doing life wrong. I wouldn't give anyone like that the time of day let alone let them touch me.

Precisely. They should disclose it's a deal breaker if anything. Let others know they're bigots.

The thing is, some men are insecure. Many WILL get violent. It is up to the trans woman to let him know before meeting up or before having sexual relations. If you get that far, he finds out and on top of that, turns out to be a homophobe, expect to be beaten to a bloody pulp. Something that could have been avoided if you came clean.

On the positive side? If he were to be accepting, then yay, you've got nothing to hide.

Telling them is a 10/10 win. No longer in hide. He knows and loves you for you.
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I mean, they might surprise me, but I find it unlikely that they would get to a position to hurt me. I'm not that defenseless, and I don't travel alone so it wouldn't be the easiest to just jump me randomly. Regardless of which, I am not single either, so this is presently a non-issue regardless.
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_Rinku_ posted...

Sayoria posted...

UncleBourbon33 posted...

I can't take anyone seriously who uses cis to describe someone.

We don't have a special word for people who aren't otherkin, so why this?

I never use that so-called prefix. I hear it and all I think about is how spiteful it sounds. Non-trans works well for me.

Cis is the opposite of trans though. I don't personally have a problem being described as cis.

That's because you're part of the problem.
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Kamiccolohan posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

Sayoria posted...

UncleBourbon33 posted...

I can't take anyone seriously who uses cis to describe someone.

We don't have a special word for people who aren't otherkin, so why this?

I never use that so-called prefix. I hear it and all I think about is how spiteful it sounds. Non-trans works well for me.

Cis is the opposite of trans though. I don't personally have a problem being described as cis.

That's because you're part of the problem.

Problem?