Current Events > Killing Nazis, fighting religious fanaticism the focus of upcoming video games

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/killing-nazis-fighting-religious-fanaticism-the-focus-of-upcoming-video-games-1.4253574

As the U.S. grapples with white nationalists rallying in the streets and the violence that followed the protests in Charlottesville, Va., a couple of soon-to-be-released video games are feeling disturbingly timely for some gamers.

Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus, created by the Swedish-based Machine Games, is the hotly anticipated latest instalment in the widely popular series that lets gamers annihilate Nazis — which the game's website calls "everybody's favourite pastime."

So what's new about Nazis as bad guys? The fact that they're in 1960s America, and the Nazi flag is proudly draped along the city's streets — streets where men in Nazi uniforms are fraternizing with robed members of the Ku Klux Klan.

It's a world away from the more traditional Second World War background, where fighting the racist villains takes place on the beaches of Normandy. It's also hitting close to home for some gamers.

"The fact that there is an overlap between Wolfenstein II and reality is absolutely horrifying to me, especially as a Jewish person," said Eric Weiss, a Toronto-based video games editor for pop culture site Dork Shelf.

A 'necessary reminder'

Wolfenstein II, due out in October, is not the only upcoming video game to ring true.

Weiss also points to Ubisoft's Far Cry 5, scheduled to launch in February, which depicts a rural Montana town under the control of a religious doomsday cult. Players will meet and team up with the town's disenfranchised, some of whom feel abandoned by their leaders — a theme that permeated last year's U.S. election.

Ubisoft's Far Cry 5 forgoes the franchise's usual far-flung location in favour of setting the game in Montana, where a religious cult has taken hold of a rural town. (Ubisoft)

Basing the action in an American state is particularly striking since previous versions in the Far Cry franchise have been set on fictional tropical islands or in mountainous regions under the control of anonymous dictators.

According to Weiss, the game sends a message: "We have radicals and extremists right here at home, and right now they're marching in the streets, trying to exert control over small-town America."

But for video games to engage in such charged political themes at all — even those that depict the villains as outlandish caricatures — is "a good thing, because it's something we have to deal with right now," Weiss said, calling it a "necessary reminder."

People getting offended over games like these and Mafia 3 is the most hilarious new trend. I'm looking forward to these games coming out. Both Wolfenstein 2 and Far Cry 5 look good.
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They should make a game about the Crusades where you get to murder millions for not converting to Christianity.
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Killing nazis has been okay in media and video games for centuries ( And rightfully so. Fuck nazis). This isn't a new fad lol.
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Darmik posted...

People getting offended over games like these and Mafia 3

The most offensive thing about Mafia 3 was how unpolished it was.

DemonBuffet posted...

Killing nazis has been okay in media and video games for centuries ( And rightfully so. Fuck nazis). This isn't a new fad lol.

The article mentions that it's overall a coincidence that it happens to be relevant to todays politics lol
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MabusIncarnate posted...

They should make a game about the Crusades where you get to murder millions for not converting to Christianity.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/203770/Crusader_Kings_II/
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DemonBuffet posted...

Killing nazis has been okay in media and video games for centuries ( And rightfully so. Fuck nazis). This isn't a new fad lol.

Punching nazis is now considered politically incorrect by society...
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epik_fail1 posted...

DemonBuffet posted...

Killing nazis has been okay in media and video games for centuries ( And rightfully so. Fuck nazis). This isn't a new fad lol.

Punching nazis is now considered politically incorrect by society...

Its kinda funny, actually. The alt-right and far right preach how they aren't gonna roll over and take it. That words are for pussies who can't defend themselves.
So when the left decides to punch dudes who literally identify themselves as a nazi and even wear a swastika to make it clear, safe spaces are needed and the ones who fought without words are now barbarians lol.
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DemonBuffet posted...

epik_fail1 posted...

DemonBuffet posted...

Killing nazis has been okay in media and video games for centuries ( And rightfully so. Fuck nazis). This isn't a new fad lol.

Punching nazis is now considered politically incorrect by society...

Its kinda funny, actually. The alt-right and far right preach how they aren't gonna roll over and take it. That words are for pussies who can't defend themselves.
So when the left decides to punch dudes who literally identify themselves as a nazi and even wear a swastika to make it clear, safe spaces are needed and the ones who fought without words are now barbarians lol.

The last rightist apology is that "they were joking with the swastikas and aren't real nazis ". Where are the moderate conservatives who condemn the alt-reich?
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I prefer to escape from political bullshit when I play video games. I get enough of that on CE.
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

I prefer to escape from political bullshit when I play video games. I get enough of that on CE.

I guess you only play games where you fight a bunch of anonymous blob people.
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I look forward to more butthurt the closer those games get to release

Killing gun-toting soldiers of the third reich as they invade sovereign nations and commit genocide: ok

Killing rednecks with swastika flags who are otherwise not a direct threat to anybody: not ok

If I'm wrong, then what's the problem with someone killing Antifa members? They're no different from Stalin's KGB after all, right?
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Killing rednecks with swastika flags who are otherwise not a direct threat to anybody: not ok

What game is this?
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Darmik posted...

What game is this?

CBC is making an equivalence between Nazi German soldiers and dumb racists in 2017 as they talk about a video game in which you kill the former. This is what I'm commenting on, and why it's so dumb.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Darmik posted...

What game is this?

CBC is making an equivalence between Nazi German soldiers and dumb racists in 2017 as they talk about a video game in which you kill the former. This is what I'm commenting on, and why it's so dumb.

And yet dumb racists have been whining about these games being too political because of their content. CBC didn't start this.
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Darmik posted...

And yet dumb racists have been whining about these games being too political because of their content.

Where in the review do they bring up criticisms from neonazis about Wolfenstein II?
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Hahahahahaha.

Wolfenstein? If you are going to get mad about Wolfenstein, you are about 20 years late to the party. Seriously though, Nazis are fair game. They were horrible. A war was fought against them because they were absolutely awful. Sure, not everyone of them was pure evil, but the ideology sure as fuck was, and I don't think alternate-history games should have to whitewash it to appeal to people today who support fascism.

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Darmik posted...

And yet dumb racists have been whining about these games being too political because of their content.

Where in the review do they bring up criticisms from neonazis about Wolfenstein II?

Review? What? Wolfenstein isn't out yet.

But this has examples of people offended at the E3 trailer.

https://mic.com/articles/179676/wolfenstein-2-the-new-colossus-racist-alt-right-kkk-nazis
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Darmik posted...

Review? What? Wolfenstein isn't out yet.

But this has examples of people offended at the E3 trailer.

The article is clearly not responding to skinheads whining about Wolfenstein. It is making an equivalence between gun-toting soldiers actively engaged in a genocide, and stupid rednecks.

Let me reiterate this again for you:

Sephiroth1288 posted...

CBC is making an equivalence between Nazi German soldiers and dumb racists in 2017 as they talk about a video game in which you kill the former. This is what I'm commenting on, and why it's so dumb.

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Being offended by Far Cry 5 is understandable, I think.
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It's comparing Nazis in a video game to people who currently identify as Nazis who made the news last week. This isn't really complicated.
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I see nothing to be offended by.

dem ironic snowflakes, amirite?
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Darmik posted...

It's comparing Nazis in a video game to people who currently identify as Nazis who made the news last week. This isn't really complicated.

I've already outlined the major ways the two are not comparable, and if you still don't get it then there's no point in going over it again.
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The New Order actually wasn't too bad, so I won't rag on it, but if people seriously prop up the most tired and trite AAA trash that is current Far Cry simply because it has a topical flavor to it then I really have to question your priorities.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Darmik posted...

It's comparing Nazis in a video game to people who currently identify as Nazis who made the news last week. This isn't really complicated.

I've already outlined the major ways the two are not comparable, and if you still don't get it then there's no point in going over it again.

And your point is moot. The concept of Wolfenstein 2 is that America lives under a Nazi ideology after losing the war. They're not an invading force at that point. They're the Government.

The article also states this anyway

For Weiss, the trailer alone makes a strong point in a charged political climate, whether that was the intent or not.

"Wolfenstein will likely end up being more frivolous than other treatments [on the issue] because it is supposed to be an entertaining video game, but when the message is that Nazis are bad, I don't think there's a wrong way to send that message."

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Darmik posted...

And your point is moot. The concept of Wolfenstein 2 is that America lives under a Nazi ideology after losing the war. They're not an invading force at that point. They're the Government.

If the drunk racists waving around Confederate flags come close to taking over the government, then the comparison will be apt.

Until then, it really isn't.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Darmik posted...

And your point is moot. The concept of Wolfenstein 2 is that America lives under a Nazi ideology after losing the war. They're not an invading force at that point. They're the Government.

If the drunk racists waving around Confederate flags come close to taking over the government, then the comparison will be apt.

Until then, it really isn't.

You're acting like Nazism isn't a political ideology regardless.

Does BJ not represent traditional American values because he's seen as a terrorist too?
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Darmik posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Darmik posted...

And your point is moot. The concept of Wolfenstein 2 is that America lives under a Nazi ideology after losing the war. They're not an invading force at that point. They're the Government.

If the drunk racists waving around Confederate flags come close to taking over the government, then the comparison will be apt.

Until then, it really isn't.

You're acting like Nazism isn't a political ideology regardless

Are you just posting word salad now hoping that maybe it will somehow prove the article isn't stupid?

Like seriously, read this again:

"The fact that there is an overlap between Wolfenstein II and reality is absolutely horrifying to me, especially as a Jewish person," said Eric Weiss, a Toronto-based video games editor for pop culture site Dork Shelf.

^ This shit is one step from the lizard person conspiracy. In what fucking way is a game about Nazi-controlled USA overlapping reality?
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So you're telling me that an FPS about America being overtaken by ISIS wouldn't be compared to modern politics and news because it's not realistic?
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Darmik posted...

So you're telling me that an FPS about America being overtaken by ISIS wouldn't be compared to modern politics and news because it's not realistic?

Did you read the article? They're saying in every which way that it IS realistic.
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Darmik posted...

So you're telling me that an FPS about America being overtaken by ISIS wouldn't be compared to modern politics and news because it's not realistic?

To be fair, though, Resistance was about an invasion from North Korea (after the conquered South Korea) and that went over fine. It actually was also the plot behind Red Dawn and Olympus Has Fallen.

Stop responding to Mal_Fet.
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