Current Events > *Checks out Spotify's "Metal Essentials" playlist*

(+) Yeah! (+)

*Sees the following bands*

Linkin Park
System of a Down
Slipknot
Avenged Sevenfold
Limp Bizkit
Rammstein
Papa Roach
Korn

Oh Spotify, never change.
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Nu Metal essentials?
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Hey, Rammstein is alright
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System of a Down and Rammstein are great. Slipknot is good as well.
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Gamer99z posted...

System of a Down and Rammstein are great. Slipknot is good as well.

I have nothing aginst the artists themselves but they're hardly Metal unless you're in middle school
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People listen to metal?
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"refmon posted...

People listen to metal?

People DON'T listen to metal?
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metal

lol
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ZombiePelican posted...

Gamer99z posted...

System of a Down and Rammstein are great. Slipknot is good as well.

I have nothing aginst the artists themselves but they're hardly Metal unless you're in middle school

The definition of metal doesn't change when you get older.
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ZombiePelican posted...

Linkin Park
Limp Bizkit
Papa Roach

Jesus.

Not that most of the others belong either, but come on.

BilalPowell posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

Gamer99z posted...

System of a Down and Rammstein are great. Slipknot is good as well.

I have nothing aginst the artists themselves but they're hardly Metal unless you're in middle school

The definition of metal doesn't change when you get older.

But it does expand. Nothing on that list except maybe SoaD is essential.
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BilalPowell posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

Gamer99z posted...

System of a Down and Rammstein are great. Slipknot is good as well.

I have nothing aginst the artists themselves but they're hardly Metal unless you're in middle school

The definition of metal doesn't change when you get older.

Of course, but none of these bands are metal except FFDP and Slipknot and they're BARELY scraping the surface
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tc is mad because theres no job for a cowboy garbage
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Avenged Sevenfold is metal. At least some of the time.
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ZombiePelican posted...

Of course, but none of these bands are metal except FFDP and Slipknot and they're BARELY scraping the surface

Looking at the playlist, some of the bands in it are metal.
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Bok_Choi posted...

tc is mad because theres no job for a cowboy garbage

>_>
BilalPowell posted...

Avenged Sevenfold is metal. At least some of the time.

Nah, they're hard rock at best

uwnim posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

Of course, but none of these bands are metal except FFDP and Slipknot and they're BARELY scraping the surface

Looking at the playlist, some of the bands in it are metal.

Nah
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ZombiePelican posted...

BilalPowell posted...

Avenged Sevenfold is metal. At least some of the time.

Nah, they're hard rock at best

Their Bat Country album seemed metal-ish.

At least more so than Five Finger Death Punch and Slipknot.

Exactly what I'd expect from Spotify.

Metal for people who don't really listen to metal.

(Which isn't to say anything about metalheads who like those groups, but let's be realistic; people who don't listen to "that screamo music" still might give those groups a shot.)
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ZombiePelican posted...

Nah

None of these are metal?
Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Gojira, Pantera, Lamb of God, bloodsimple, Amon Amarth
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the only Spotify playlists I've ever liked have been blues playlists
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Newsflash: When mainstream outlets say "Metal" what they actually mean is "Hard rock and heavy metal." How are people not used to this yet?
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uwnim posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

Nah

None of these are metal?
Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Gojira, Pantera, Lamb of God, bloodsimple, Amon Amarth

If you can understand the lyrics it's not metal
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Does that mean all music not in English is metal?
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Just because they don't fit your definition of metal doesn't mean they're not metal.
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TC wants spotify to satisfy his need for melodic death doom black metals
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iosifsvoboda posted...

uwnim posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

Nah

None of these are metal?
Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Gojira, Pantera, Lamb of God, bloodsimple, Amon Amarth

If you can understand the lyrics it's not metal

This post was stupid and you should feel bad.
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Why are people treating Slipknot like a band that's barely on the fringe of metal?
Iowa is a GOAT tier metal album tbqh.
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RockRapDubstep posted...

Why are people treating Slipknot like a band that's barely on the fringe of metal?
Iowa is a GOAT tier metal album tbqh.

Because it's CE and they're popular.
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I don't like Slipknot, but they definitely sound like a metal band at times.
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"why won't this service for normies satisfy my nerd urges"
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RockRapDubstep posted...

Why are people treating Slipknot like a band that's barely on the fringe of metal?
Iowa is a GOAT tier metal album tbqh.

Slipknot isn't metal. They probably come closer than any other mallcore band, but they're still mallcore, so...not metal.
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Bok_Choi posted...

"why won't this service for normies satisfy my nerd urges"

Not to mention, Spotify can satisfy the needs of metal nerds. It just requires the user to enter the name of a band and/or specific genre.
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To be fair, pretty much every featured Spotify playlist is at best surface level and at worst missing the mark of what it claims to be.
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Gamer99z posted...

System of a Down and Rammstein are great.

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I loaded up an "oldies but goodies" playlist expecting 50-60s doowop type shit. Instead, I got mid 00s Beyonce, Pink, and some other dumb shit. Almost threw the goddamn phone.
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uwnim posted...

Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth

Yeah but they're early stuff that laid the foundation for more modern harder bands. They can still be called metal and have a softer sound

uwnim posted...

Gojira, Pantera, Lamb of God, bloodsimple, Amon Amarth

Yeah these guys are but they're morr as jumping points from radio hard rock into real metal


sktgamer_13dude posted...

Just because they don't fit your definition of metal doesn't mean they're not metal.

Nah, they literally aren't
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*Crawling in my skin joke*
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TC, what's metal to you?
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Mike_Stanton posted...

RockRapDubstep posted...

Why are people treating Slipknot like a band that's barely on the fringe of metal?
Iowa is a GOAT tier metal album tbqh.

Slipknot isn't metal. They probably come closer than any other mallcore band, but they're still mallcore, so...not metal.

Shut the fuck up Butters.

Again, just because they don't fit your definition of metal doesn't mean they don't fit in the average definition of metal.

Make your own playlists if it upsets you so much.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Again, just because they don't fit your definition of metal doesn't mean they don't fit in the average definition of metal.

I don't know what you mean by "the average definition of metal," but most metalheads familiar with other subgenres would agree with me that mallcore is in a different category altogether.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Make your own playlists if it upsets you so much.

I'm not the one upset about it. That's the TC, and I already pointed out how he can just make his own station/playlist as you said.
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Mike_Stanton posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Again, just because they don't fit your definition of metal doesn't mean they don't fit in the average definition of metal.

I don't know what you mean by "the average definition of metal," but most metalheads familiar with other subgenres would agree with me that mallcore is in a different category altogether.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Make your own playlists if it upsets you so much.

I'm not the one upset about it. That's the TC, and I already pointed out how he can just make his own station/playlist as you said.

The overwhelming majority of people would consider Slipknot a metal band and they're easily one of the most iconic metal bands of our time.

Metal fans are elitist and annoying as fuck who set up arbitrary metrics of what is "real metal" and what isn't.
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xBloodBrotherx posted...

Metal fans are elitist and annoying as fuck who set up arbitrary metrics of what is "real metal" and what isn't.

Most aren't.

Like every other group, it's a very vocal minority that likes to fuck things up for the rest of us.
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xBloodBrotherx posted...

The overwhelming majority of people would consider Slipknot a metal band and they're easily one of the most iconic metal bands of our time.

An overwhelming majority of people also don't know very much about metal music, and probably only associate them with metal because of their harsh vocals.

xBloodBrotherx posted...

Metal fans are elitist and annoying as fuck who set up arbitrary metrics of what is "real metal" and what isn't.

Metal elitists still have no problem admitting that groove metal/metalcore is a legit subgenre of metal despite hating it. Mallcore is singled out because its influences are clearly more rooted in grunge than any type of metal.
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Eh, Slipknot's pretty metal in my book. Probably more on the side of metalcore because it's not full of cheesy lyrics or guitar riffs.
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xBloodBrotherx posted...

Metal fans are elitist and annoying as f*** who set up arbitrary metrics of what is "real metal" and what isn't.

No lie, that can be really annoying, but something like Slipknot isn't a good example of it.
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Metal elitism will never not be funny
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I don't know how you could describe a band like Slipknot as anything but metal. Even if you don't like that subgenre of metal, it's pretty clearly easily identifiable as metal. What else would you describe it as? Free form jazz?
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Gamer99z posted...

I don't know how you could describe a band like Slipknot as anything but metal. Even if you don't like that subgenre of metal, it's pretty clearly easily identifiable as metal. What else would you describe it as? Free form jazz?

A lot of times "real metal" has that cheesy guitar tuning, extended solos, songs about packs of wolves running under a moonlit night sky.

Slipknot doesn't really fit into that category very well. I'd say they're metalcore, imo.
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Gamer99z posted...

I don't know how you could describe a band like Slipknot as anything but metal. Even if you don't like that subgenre of metal, it's pretty clearly easily identifiable as metal. What else would you describe it as? Free form jazz?

Alternative rock
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MutantJohn posted...

Gamer99z posted...

I don't know how you could describe a band like Slipknot as anything but metal. Even if you don't like that subgenre of metal, it's pretty clearly easily identifiable as metal. What else would you describe it as? Free form jazz?

A lot of times "real metal" has that cheesy guitar tuning, extended solos, songs about packs of wolves running under a moonlit night sky.

Slipknot doesn't really fit into that category very well. I'd say they're metalcore, imo.

I'm not really saying that they're just simply heavy metal, just that they're part of the metal umbrella of subgenres. Which I'm not a subgenre nerd so I'm not really able to get into the some major and some more subtle differences from subgenre to subgenre and tell you what exactly they fall under, but I feel like if you were to boil them down to a main branch of music such as rock/punk/metal/rap/country/etc. etc. etc. That they very clearly would most accurately fit in the metal branch of music. The tunings of their instruments, how they play them, the drumming, the vocals, etc. All of that seems easily identifiable as some sort of metal to me. And apparently the mainstream metal community agrees to some extent considering they've won a bunch of metal awards as a band and individual members, they've played metal festivals, metal publications generally talk about them when doing news and such, and I see albums like Iowa get listed fairly frequently in admittedly basic bitch versions of "best metal albums of the 2000's" lists along with the likes of SOAD's Toxicity but still.
I also agree with whoever said they're probably the most iconic metal band of our time, they're definitely nowhere near the best of our time but as far as relevancy, popularity, notoriety, sales, etc. I'm having trouble thinking of any other metal bands that have defined the last 15 or so years like they had.

Mike_Stanton posted...

Gamer99z posted...

I don't know how you could describe a band like Slipknot as anything but metal. Even if you don't like that subgenre of metal, it's pretty clearly easily identifiable as metal. What else would you describe it as? Free form jazz?

Alternative rock

I think it would be a stretch to bunch them in to rock over metal, their style seems lean way more metal than rock. Compare their music to Stone Sour for example and it makes that contrast more apparent to me. Stone Sour is pretty much Slipknot lite and much more of an alt rock/hard rock sound. Slipknot definitely has some individual tracks that need into that territory but as a whole I think it would be really weird to consider them the same genre.

But again I'm not really a subgenre nerd or anything so I don't really know.
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