Current Events > How do you feel about removing anything relating to the Confederacy?

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Take down the flags.
Take down the statues.
Dig up the graves.

etc.

And yes, all of the above has happened in America.

Who's advocating digging up graves?
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I feel like the Germans do about nazi stuff.

it's the classic situation of white people getting way more upset than the race who was offended
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Who gives a fuck about the confederacy? We kicked their asses, the end.

It's a gigantic waste of time. People need to find better things to cry over.
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...

It's a gigantic waste of time. People need to find better things to cry over.

Says the guy who called the police over someone putting a sticker on his car
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bknight posted...

I feel like the Germans do about nazi stuff.

So the Confederacy is = to Nazi Germany?

Paper_Okami posted...

SomeLikeItHoth posted...

It's a gigantic waste of time. People need to find better things to cry over.

Says the guy who called the police over someone putting a sticker on his car

He was lying, Hoth doesn't have a car, Hoth doesn't leave his home lol
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EpicKingdom_ posted...

bknight posted...

I feel like the Germans do about nazi stuff.

So the Confederacy is = to Nazi Germany?

They're similar in that they were both completely in the wrong and that the "heroes" of their side do not deserve to be honored.
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idk about the rest, but who the fuck is digging up graves?
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

idk about the rest, but who the fuck is digging up graves?

A group tried to start digging up Nathan Bedford Forrest's grave.

This stuff belongs in a museum. Not monuments.
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just stick it in a museum
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Digging up graves is fucked up.
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chill02 posted...

just stick it in a museum

I agree. We can't forget the history of this country. But we don't need to glorify it by celebrating them in public areas. Historical reference in a museum is the right way to go.
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I'm not aware of anyone digging up graves.

Anyway, take them down and move them to a museum. It represents what people came from, but not what they should strive to be.

loafy013 posted...

chill02 posted...

just stick it in a museum

I agree. We can't forget the history of this country. But we don't need to glorify it by celebrating them in public areas. Historical reference in a museum is the right way to go.

Yeah, let's just tear them from their final resting place and display their body for everyone to see.
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HashBrownAgain posted...

loafy013 posted...

chill02 posted...

just stick it in a museum

I agree. We can't forget the history of this country. But we don't need to glorify it by celebrating them in public areas. Historical reference in a museum is the right way to go.

Yeah, let's just tear them from their final resting place and display their body for everyone to see.

I agree, just throw it in a dumpster

HashBrownAgain posted...

loafy013 posted...

chill02 posted...

just stick it in a museum

I agree. We can't forget the history of this country. But we don't need to glorify it by celebrating them in public areas. Historical reference in a museum is the right way to go.

Yeah, let's just tear them from their final resting place and display their body for everyone to see.

I wasn't thinking graves, but no, we should do that. Monuments and statues are what I was thinking.
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I say take down the flags, but leave the statues. Idk, there's something I just don't like about destroying statues.
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Good riddance! What's so great about it, anyway?
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they completely dehumanize people like me, so it's pretty ludicrous to know there are people alive today who'd expect us to not feel disenfranchised in a country that honors them with monuments, buildings, statues and shit.
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Good riddance, they were a shitty part of our history, they got their asses beat and they still cry about it. Don't care about the statues either, we can remember them in history books and that's it.

I'm not particularly bothered by the removal of the flags and statues, as I don't take any sense of "pride" in being Southern. Of course, I don't really take any pride in being American in general, so I would be equally unconcerned by the sudden removal of other memorials and monuments throughout the US.

But that's just me, I'm more than capable and willing to acknowledge that these things may be of significance to others. So while I won't personally miss them when they're gone, I also won't be demanding they go away in the first place either.
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I don't really support the removal of the monuments. I feel like America needs the grit of having old scars like these monuments as a reminder to our dark history so we understand how far we've come. I think there's a certain level of reality that might hit somebody when they see a confederate monument in person at a public square that would really get them to think about the gravity of how far we've come.

You look at the representation of that dark part of history, and you're confronted with it. I think that's better than a statue being moved to a Museum since it's inherently more invasive, keeping the concept of that part of our history more pronounced in the psyche of the public. Not to make people feel guilty, just for people to get a feel for our very troubled history.

My two cents, anyway. It's not going to destroy society or make us forget if we remove the monuments and I get why people are offended, but I don't agree with their removal. I think reminding people of history is an important thing.

I think the invasive nature of it being in the public square is meaningful here rather than the optional nature of a museum
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I'm pretty sure we execute traitors, not memorialize them.
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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

I'm not particularly bothered by the removal of the flags and statues, as I don't take any sense of "pride" in being Southern. Of course, I don't really take any pride in being American in general, so I would be equally unconcerned by the sudden removal of other memorials and monuments throughout the US.

But that's just me, I'm more than capable and willing to acknowledge that these things may be of significance to others. So while I won't personally miss them when they're gone, I also won't be demanding they go away in the first place either.

your username inspired by the Mega Man X series?
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its not right .. its history .. we cant pretend that it didnt happen

**** the alt left
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It's pointless BS made to please the feelings of snowflakes trying their hardest to scrub any history that doesn't fit the regressive left hivemind rhetoric
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it's kind of silly tbh, a symbolic gesture that ultimately doesnt mean anything. removing a confederate statue will not somehow remove racism or the parts of america's history that we don't like.

Also, when something enters into antiquity, like the Civil War, people start to take bits and pieces from it that they like and brush the rest under the rug. So I think for a lot of people this is about southern heritage because they just choose to gloss over the slavery aspect and things like that and choose to, say, focus on the "brother killing brother" aspect.

that being said, if a statue has become a shrine for neo nazis or something it's time to take it down
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Its a statue of traitors and flags for traitors. Throw it in a museum, but dont dont memorilize them in public.

Heritage my ass. We all know the real reason people are crying to keep the unpatriotic statues up, they dont actually care about heritage. The statues are not even something to be proud of if you at the very least call yourself a patriot.

there are other symbols that need to go as well, but this is a start
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The part I get hung up on is:

Why do we have monuments to the whiney, immoral brats anyway? Melt 'em down for bullets as we did with the statue of the King back during our founding for all I care. They're freaking traitors lmao.
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TsC_PoLiTiKz posted...

The part I get hung up on is:

Why do we have monuments to the whiney, immoral brats anyway? Melt 'em down for bullets as we did with the statue of the King back during our founding for all I care. They're freaking traitors lmao.

traitors have feelings too, man. how would you feel if your slaveless family was tricked into fighting for something they never even benefitted from in the first place, only to get tricked again generations later by a guy offering more delusions of grandeur? they thought America was about to return to the 50's, but they ended up without health care.

have a heart!
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DrizztLink posted...

I'm pretty sure we execute traitors, not memorialize them.

"Confederate generals were fighting for independence from the Union just as Washington and other generals fought for independence from Great Britain. Those who'd label Lee as a traitor might also label Washington as a traitor."

http://dailysignal.com/2017/06/28/confederate-generals-traitors/

EpicKingdom_ posted...

DrizztLink posted...

I'm pretty sure we execute traitors, not memorialize them.

"Confederate generals were fighting for independence from the Union just as Washington and other generals fought for independence from Great Britain. Those who'd label Lee as a traitor might also label Washington as a traitor."

http://dailysignal.com/2017/06/28/confederate-generals-traitors/

The difference is that the colonies fought Britain because they were being treated poorly, the confederacy fought the Union so they could treat people poorly. It's the difference between a just cause and an evil cause
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Only the honorary stuff
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I don't care about the statues, personally. I much rather focus on addressing white supremacists that are alive today and helping black people that are alive today than get involved in sticky battles which involve attacking someone else's heritage.
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I guess it boils down to the fact that you couldn't understand if you're white, so telling a group of people that we should continue to honor the people who fought to keep them enslaved is pretty stupid
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I don't really get the whole "it reminds us of our dark past" argument. That isn't why we build statues. We don't put up a monument to say "look how terrible this guy was." Statues are for honoring people, and these statues depict their subjects as heroes. It's a large part of why some people still view them as heroes. Taking them down isn't going to fix our culture, but recognizing that they shouldn't have been erected is a step in the right direction.
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When it comes to stuff like statues, plaques, park names....I think the decision to remove or not should be left up to the residents of the city or state where the statue/park/whatever is located.

When it comes to one of a kind, irreplaceable things (such as the Stone Mountain carving in Georgia) it should absolutely be left alone. No exceptions.
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*shrug*
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I can see both sides but I'm for removing them from most public places and putting them in a museum. To be its a purely objective reason. Anyone who really cares about southern pride/history can read a book/research online. No one is really learning that from statues and flags. Those items just serve as a symbol to people who want society to return to those days and has emboldened their twisted cause. Despite popular southern/republican belief, there are plenty of northerners/liberals who have read history and appreciate Lee and Jackson for what they were.
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The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. Harlan Ellison

If you don't learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it.

I can totally see Americans in the year 2555 not knowing who even MLK was. The way shit is going.

Or maybe MLK will be the new Columbus. Brothers and Sister... we came to this new land, let us call it America. The land of the free.

You laugh now, but you guys are talking about shit that happened in 1861 like it was yesterday. Acting like you know the struggles of everyone in that era.
They didn't even have electricity until 1879.
For fuck sake.

Hell is above us now, and there's no turning back.
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Thrillwell posted...

The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. Harlan Ellison

If you don't learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it.

I can totally see Americans in the year 2555 not knowing who even MLK was. The way shit is going.

Or maybe MLK will be the new Columbus. Brothers and Sister... we came to this new land, let us call it America. The land of the free.

You laugh now, but you guys are talking about shit that happened in 1861 like it was yesterday. Acting like you know the struggles of everyone in that era.
They didn't even have electricity until 1879.
For fuck sake.

Hell is above us now, and there's no turning back.

I don't understand whether you are arguing for or against Confederate monuments.

Dash_Harber posted...

Thrillwell posted...

The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. Harlan Ellison

If you don't learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it.

I can totally see Americans in the year 2555 not knowing who even MLK was. The way shit is going.

Or maybe MLK will be the new Columbus. Brothers and Sister... we came to this new land, let us call it America. The land of the free.

You laugh now, but you guys are talking about shit that happened in 1861 like it was yesterday. Acting like you know the struggles of everyone in that era.
They didn't even have electricity until 1879.
For fuck sake.

Hell is above us now, and there's no turning back.

I don't understand whether you are arguing for or against Confederate monuments.

It's because it's neither. It's people doing stupid shit then, and people doing stupid shit now.
It's about people jumping into something without stopping to understand what's really going on, and
how it might backfire in the future.

Erasing history, and replacing it is the first phase...


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Dumb war, most soldiers died of disease. The weapons back then were pretty powerful and if you got wounded you were supposed to lie there and die, which is easy if you get your arm blown off.
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How about a monument depicting the suffering of the Confederacy's black people? To the extent that the statues we're currently debating depict Southern history, they reflect an extremely sanitized, one-sided view of it which glorifies the Confederates and ignores the many people, southerners even, who opposed them.
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Antifar posted...

How about a monument depicting the suffering of the Confederacy's black people? To the extent that the statues we're currently debating depict Southern history, they reflect an extremely sanitized, one-sided view of it which glorifies the Confederates and ignores the many people, southerners even, who opposed them.

but it wouldn't be as fun to defend and romanticize the Confederacy anymore... why let reality spoil the fun?

would be weird to see the alt right rallying to keep a statue of a half drunk ranch hand severing a slave's penis.
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