Current Events > Super Mario Sunshine is a top tier Mario game.

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Come at me bros.
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Super Mario Sunshine? More like Super Mario Funshine!
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You're a top tier Mario game.
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Romulox28 posted...

Super Mario Sunshine? More like Super Mario Funshine!

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Super mario sunshine makes me sad
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I don't get why it was hated so much at launch. Literally GOAT mario game.

Well, if the logic is that all Mario games are automatically top-tier, then...
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Romulox28 posted...

Super Mario Sunshine? More like Super Mario Funshine!

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Better than SM64 in a number of ways.

Galaxy 1 and 2 are probably THE best 3D Mario platformers of all time though.

sunshine is a game that i think less of whenever i think about it
it's definitely not bad but it's shocking how poor its qualities can be, especially considering the series and developers

Other than the Piranha poop boss you have to fight like 3 or 4 times in the first hour, then yeah, its pretty good.
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Illuminoius posted...

sunshine is a game that i think less of whenever i think about it
it's definitely not bad but it's shocking how poor its qualities can be, especially considering the series and developers

While it's quite definitely the worst out of the 3D Marios, I wouldn't take it that far >_>

It's better than 'not bad', like 'above decent' level.
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Sunshine was fun but Galaxy was just another level.
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Sunshine was great, but felt unfinished. They needed a third as many blue coins and 3 or 4 more levels.
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Guess what?
I'm a chuckster.
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Sunshine was thoroughly mediocre.

The main thing that sucked was having to spray up every little bit of ink in the entire level in the off chance you missed something important. I guess it's not necessary unless you're going for 100%, but then it's like double OCD.
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One of the best little details of Sunshine is how you can see other levels in the background of the one you're currently in.
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Poison River, Pachinko, Chucksters and Blue Coins destroy any chance of Sunshine being top-tier by themselves, and the game has a bunch of smaller problems as well.

Mario 64 is a far better game and it was made 6 years prior on far worse hardware.

Sunshine IMO was one of the games that killed the 3d platformer (DK64 is misblamed.)
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TriforceofPlot posted...

Poison River, Pachinko, Chucksters

I think you're just salty, but I will agree the Blue Coins are a nuisance.
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TC is absolutely correct
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It's just a decent but entirely unspectacular 3D platformer. If the exact same game had been made by a different company and it had starred a generic animal character rather than Mario no-one would remember it today.

Other developers were making far better 3D platformers on the PS2 at that time. Though I'm very much of the "the Galaxy games are the best 3D platformers ever made" camp.

DoomSwell posted...

TriforceofPlot posted...

Poison River, Pachinko, Chucksters

I think you're just salty, but I will agree the Blue Coins are a nuisance.

I'm not being salty, all three of those levels are objectively terrible.

There are things that are good about the game, I think it's far from the worst game ever, I doubt it's the worst Mario game, and I doubt it's anywhere close to the worst game released in 2002.

But the fact of the matter is that the game is near-universally considered to be a step down from SM64, and by extension comparatively dissappointing.
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The funny thing about Super Mario Sunshine is that some of the challenges seem to be under the assumption that you can't hover. I remember the level where you fight the Petey had a challenge where you were meant to traverse a bunch of tight ropes to get up to a ledge. But with the hover, you could just do a backflip in one spot and use the hover to get up to the ledge.
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pegusus123456 posted...

The funny thing about Super Mario Sunshine is that some of the challenges seem to be under the assumption that you can't hover. I remember the level where you fight the Petey had a challenge where you were meant to traverse a bunch of tight ropes to get up to a ledge. But with the hover, you could just do a backflip in one spot and use the hover to get up to the ledge.

Yeah, I really don't think the debug stage of development went too well, the physics are bugged and many levels don't seem to have been play-tested very well. I think that's one of many reasons Sunshine is inferior to SM64.
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It would be better if 2/3 of the Shine Sprites weren't pointless in getting.
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Needs a better 100% reward. Also blue coins make the game not as replayable. My favorite 3d Mario game though
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pegusus123456 posted...

The funny thing about Super Mario Sunshine is that some of the challenges seem to be under the assumption that you can't hover. I remember the level where you fight the Petey had a challenge where you were meant to traverse a bunch of tight ropes to get up to a ledge. But with the hover, you could just do a backflip in one spot and use the hover to get up to the ledge.

This was actually one of the things I liked about the game. It was like a throwback to the cape in Super Mario World. Overpowered, for sure, but fun to exploit.

Also I think the handful of really, really bad levels take the whole game down a few points since they're what people remember the most. The good levels are just as good as any other 3D Mario.
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The level design is good

The idea of the hover nozzle is good

But they don't go together particularly well
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JSancton posted...

Needs a better 100% reward. Also blue coins make the game not as replayable. My favorite 3d Mario game though

Yes, definitely. Sure, 100 lives and a new triple jump (in aesthetics only) isn't much either but it sure as hell's better than a postcard.
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Banjo2553 posted...

(in aesthetics only)

you were immune from fall damage with it

Cant decide if I like Sunshine or Galaxy more. Both are legendary games.
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Wasn't this common knowledge?
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