Current Events > What's worse, rap or jazz?

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weapon_d00d816 posted...

AsianFury2020 posted...

death metal

This is what people say when they haven't heard grindcore.

Grindcore is pretty far the worst metal genre.
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3khc posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

Gamer99z posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

averagejoel posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

Well, only one of them is homophobic

there's homophobia in every genre

Yeah, I don't hear people getting called the F-word any other genre.

One in a Million by Guns N' Roses immediately comes to mind.

Okay, I can name 50 rap songs if I put my mind to it.

Do it. I'll give you 30 minutes from the time of this post to do so.

@Bad_Mojo

Why? Not only am I watching Smackdown, I'm not going to type and search for things on my phone

Go listen to Eminem, Dre, Nas, Biggie, Drake, Jay Z, Missy, etc etc

If you listen to rap, then you should know how many times they use homophoic words

I like rap, I don't care what they say. What I care about is the double standard. That's it.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

Why? Not only am I watching Smackdown, I'm not going to type and search for things on my phone

Go listen to Eminem, Dre, Nas, Biggie, Drake, Jay Z, Missy, etc etc

If you listen to rap, then you should know how many times they use homophoic words

I like rap, I don't care what they say. What I care about is the double standard. That's it.

but rappers get way more flack than other musicians for homophobia
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averagejoel posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

Why? Not only am I watching Smackdown, I'm not going to type and search for things on my phone

Go listen to Eminem, Dre, Nas, Biggie, Drake, Jay Z, Missy, etc etc

If you listen to rap, then you should know how many times they use homophoic words

I like rap, I don't care what they say. What I care about is the double standard. That's it.

but rappers get way more flack than other musicians for homophobia

Probably because it's a lot more common in rap and hip hop than most other genres.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

3khc posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

Gamer99z posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

averagejoel posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

Well, only one of them is homophobic

there's homophobia in every genre

Yeah, I don't hear people getting called the F-word any other genre.

One in a Million by Guns N' Roses immediately comes to mind.

Okay, I can name 50 rap songs if I put my mind to it.

Do it. I'll give you 30 minutes from the time of this post to do so.

@Bad_Mojo

Why? Not only am I watching Smackdown, I'm not going to type and search for things on my phone

Go listen to Eminem, Dre, Nas, Biggie, Drake, Jay Z, Missy, etc etc

If you listen to rap, then you should know how many times they use homophoic words

I like rap, I don't care what they say. What I care about is the double standard. That's it.

My bad I thought you could back up what you say.
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Yet they still make millions. Any racist songs about black people selling millions?

No

But on Eminem's second album, he gets censored in Criminal with the N-word, but can call gay people whatever he wants.
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3khc posted...

My bad I thought you could back up what you say.

Yes, let me drop everything I'm doing so I can prove myself on Gamefaqs. Let me have a horrible time typing and searching for things on a touch screen so I can prove myself on CE

What a joke, lol

Want poof? Go listen to rap songs because I bet there is at least one song on most albums. Newer ones have become better, but it's still easy to find them. Or are you trying to say that rap songs don't have gay slurs in them pointed at people as a negative?
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Bad_Mojo posted...

3khc posted...

My bad I thought you could back up what you say.

Yes, let me drop everything I'm doing so I can prove myself on Gamefaqs. Let me have a horrible time typing and searching for things on a touch screen so I can prove myself on CE

What a joke, lol

Want poof? Go listen to rap songs

I mean, I'm not trying to press the issue or anything, but you did say you can name 50 rap songs so...
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ok am I drunk
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3khc posted...

I mean, I'm not trying to press the issue or anything, but you did say you can name 50 rap songs so...

I bet I could, if I take the time. But you tell me to do it in x time while I'm watching a TV show, making dinner and not at my computer. So no, I'm not going to drop all of that to run to my computer and start arguing my case.

It's not worth the time. You know why? Because I don't care if they use those words. For like the third time in this topic, and the 5th or 6th over the past few days. I like rap, that's the music I mostly listen to. Say whatever you want, I don't care. But don't sit there and complain about people using the N-word and then call people gay slurs.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

3khc posted...

I mean, I'm not trying to press the issue or anything, but you did say you can name 50 rap songs so...

I bet I could, if I take the time. But you tell me to do it in x time while I'm watching a TV show, making dinner and not at my computer. So no, I'm not going to drop all of that to run to my computer and start arguing my case.

It's not worth the time. You know why? Because I don't care if they use those words. For like the third time in this topic, and the 5th or 6th over the past few days. I like rap, that's the music I mostly listen to. Say whatever you want, I don't care. But don't sit there and complain about people using the N-word and then call people gay slurs.

I'm just saying cuz someone named one song and then you were like "so? I can name 50".

and then when called out you didn't do anything so yeah.
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^

This is a fair point, I guess. I was mostly saying that he came up with a single song where you can find multiple ones in rap.

But we're just talking in circles here now, I think
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And just curious, what would you say if I do take the time to do this? Because it seems like If I do, nobody will even care and I'll just waste an hour or two if my free time
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Be impressed at your ability and take a mental note of the listed songs as having homophobic verses.
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Jazz is actually good half the time. Rap is good about 1% of the time. Easy choice.
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3khc posted...

Be impressed at your ability and take a mental note of the listed songs as having homophobic verses.

It's not hard, that's my point. Listen to pretty much any rap album. 50 was just a stupid number to throw out to make a point. Could I? Of course, but I would have to sit and listen to full albums and look for them.

Again, for the last time. I don't care if they say that shit, but the people that do say that stuff and listen to it shouldn't complain when they hear other horrible words.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

Again, for the last time. I don't care if they say that shit, but the people that do say that stuff and listen to it shouldn't complain when they hear other horrible words.

So what you're saying is that black people who listen to rap that has slurs like that shouldn't complain when they hear or get called the N word. Stop beating around the bush. Also just cause you feel that way doesn't mean that other people should feel that way as well.
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Kineth posted...

So what you're saying is that black people who listen to rap that has slurs like that shouldn't complain when they hear or get called the N word. Stop beating around the bush. Also just cause you feel that way doesn't mean that other people should feel that way as well.

Yes, if you're going to say homophobic shit, you shouldn't get the right to complain when you hear people say racist shit. And vice versa. And the original comment I just said rap was full of homophobia

Bad_Mojo posted...

Well, only one of them is homophobic

Bad_Mojo posted...

Yeah, I don't hear people getting called the F-word any other genre.

This is the first time I talk about black people -

Bad_Mojo posted...

Yet they still make millions. Any racist songs about black people selling millions?

No

But on Eminem's second album, he gets censored in Criminal with the N-word, but can call gay people whatever he wants.

I'm criticizing rap and fans of rap, not black people. I even threw in Eminem in my list of homophobic rappers -

Bad_Mojo posted...

Go listen to Eminem, Dre, Nas, Biggie, Drake, Jay Z, Missy, etc etc

If you listen to rap, then you should know how many times they use homophobic words

I like rap, I don't care what they say. What I care about is the double standard. That's it.

So no, I wasn't singling out black people, you fool. I was making a point that if you say horrible shit, don't get made when other people say horrible shit.
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K-pop
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Bad_Mojo posted...

Kineth posted...

So what you're saying is that black people who listen to rap that has slurs like that shouldn't complain when they hear or get called the N word. Stop beating around the bush. Also just cause you feel that way doesn't mean that other people should feel that way as well.

Yes, if you're going to say homophobic shit, you shouldn't get the right to complain when you hear people say racist shit. And vice versa. And the original comment I just said rap was full of homophobia

I know what your original post said, that's not what is being addressed here. That's pretty fallacious logic to conflate the two. Yes, they should have some awareness of the negative language in the music, but that means nothing in regard to what is said to them. Now, if the listeners go around and use slurs like that, then yes, they should have to deal with slurs being hurled at them. It's goofy, however, to say that words in the songs you listen to suddenly become your words.
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There are two kinds of music. Jazz and everything else.
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The music snobs that hate an entire genre of music
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Paper_Okami posted...

Both are great, so is death metal.

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Kineth posted...

I know what your original post said, that's not what is being addressed here. That's pretty fallacious logic to conflate the two. Yes, they should have some awareness of the negative language in the music, but that means nothing in regard to what is said to them. Now, if the listeners go around and use slurs like that, then yes, they should have to deal with slurs being hurled at them. It's goofy, however, to say that words in the songs you listen to suddenly become your words.

Bob Dylan has a song called Hurricane, which is based on a black boxer that gets framed for a triple murder. You may have seen the movie. Anyways, in this song Bob Dylan as the lyric - "To the black folk he was just a crazy [n-word] nobody doubted that he pulled the trigger". In that movie, the full movie, not for TV - That n-bomb is bleeped out because a white person said it. Just like when it was bleeped out of Eminem's song, Criminal. Because he's white and isn't socially allowed to say that word.

But why?

If you go to Spotify and look up Johnny Rebel, you can only find his basic Country songs. However, he was one of the "comedy" singers and he had some really racist songs as well, under the disguise of comedy. Nowhere on Spotify can you find those songs, which is 100% fine, but a lot of rap albums have homophobic shit in them, but nobody cares and the rappers themselves continue to use those words and their fans continue to listen to them and Spotify continues to stream their music.

So yeah, I do think it's bull shit that only a certain group of people don't get the freedom of speech everyone else gets these days.
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you can be homophobic without using slurs
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averagejoel posted...

you can be homophobic without using slurs

But it's the slurs I'm talking about. Why is it still okay to have songs with homophobic words these days? Why is that still a thing in music and nobody cares? That's the issue here. They're blocking songs that have the N-word (Some horrible songs [Johnny Rebel], some that use it as an impact statement [Dylan and Coe]) in them but don't give a shit about the rap songs that say way worse thing about things that SJWs care about. Hate gay men, hate women, hate Jewish people, hate white people, ect. Those songs still get played on the radio, they're still popular with the Left. Anna from The Young Turks, a huge SJW that fights the good fight for equality, she too listens to these homophobic songs.

And again, I don't care about those words. I love rap, I don't want anything taken away from them, but I don't want white, strait men to have anything taken from them either.

Freedom of speech should be for everyone, not just what is socially correct.
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They're both great
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How could anyone not like smooth jazz? It's chill af.
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Kanaya413 posted...

They're both great

I'm not the biggest jazz fan, but I think that's because I don't know much about it. Minnie The Moocher is about the only thing I know, and that's from a Betty Boop cartoon.
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people

You can't hate an entire genre of music!

Watch me.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

averagejoel posted...

you can be homophobic without using slurs

But it's the slurs I'm talking about. Why is it still okay to have songs with homophobic words these days? Why is that still a thing in music and nobody cares? That's the issue here. They're blocking songs that have the N-word (Some horrible songs [Johnny Rebel], some that use it as an impact statement [Dylan and Coe]) in them but don't give a shit about the rap songs that say way worse thing about things that SJWs care about. Hate gay men, hate women, hate Jewish people, hate white people, ect. Those songs still get played on the radio, they're still popular with the Left. Anna from The Young Turks, a huge SJW that fights the good fight for equality, she too listens to these homophobic songs.

And again, I don't care about those words. I love rap, I don't want anything taken away from them, but I don't want white, strait men to have anything taken from them either.

Freedom of speech should be for everyone, not just what is socially correct.

ok?

white straight men aren't getting anything taken away

my point in the topic so far has been that hip hop isn't more homophobic than other genres; that rappers just get more flack for it because most of them are black

you tried to disprove that by saying essentially "there are a lot of rap songs that use the f word"

I'm saying that slurs are not the only measure of homophobia
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I recall Eminem and Kanye (I think) getting called out for that and apologizing.
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averagejoel posted...

my point in the topic so far has been that hip hop isn't more homophobic than other genres; that rappers just get more flack for it because most of them are black

Um, no. I'm saying hip hop is more homophobic because they can call people [f-word]s in their songs. You don't hear that in other genres.

This isn't an issue about what people think to themselves behind closed doors, it's what they speak out loud. You can't have racist songs on Spotify, but you can have homophobic ones. That is stupid.

But you clearly don't understand my point, so whatever. I'm done with this topic for good now.
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Music would be boring if rap was never created, I honestly think it's the premier genre of music, nothing matches it. Sampling is perhaps the most innovative style of music production available
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Highwind07 posted...

If you have doubts about jazz then you should listen to Paul Hardcastle or Keiko Matsui who are two great artists imo.

Good choices, I'd also suggest classic Bill Evans Trio, a personal favorite of mine.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

averagejoel posted...

you can be homophobic without using slurs

But it's the slurs I'm talking about. Why is it still okay to have songs with homophobic words these days? Why is that still a thing in music and nobody cares? That's the issue here. They're blocking songs that have the N-word (Some horrible songs [Johnny Rebel], some that use it as an impact statement [Dylan and Coe]) in them but don't give a shit about the rap songs that say way worse thing about things that SJWs care about. Hate gay men, hate women, hate Jewish people, hate white people, ect. Those songs still get played on the radio, they're still popular with the Left. Anna from The Young Turks, a huge SJW that fights the good fight for equality, she too listens to these homophobic songs.

And again, I don't care about those words. I love rap, I don't want anything taken away from them, but I don't want white, strait men to have anything taken from them either.

Freedom of speech should be for everyone, not just what is socially correct.

Hilarious.

David Allen Coe was a racist MFer. What a complete fabrication of a fucking argument and a waste of time.
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Gamer99z posted...

Bill Evans

Literally listening to Bill Evans as I type this.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKGPHvcUhOQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EfMMNTD1x4

Flawless
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Kineth posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

averagejoel posted...

you can be homophobic without using slurs

But it's the slurs I'm talking about. Why is it still okay to have songs with homophobic words these days? Why is that still a thing in music and nobody cares? That's the issue here. They're blocking songs that have the N-word (Some horrible songs [Johnny Rebel], some that use it as an impact statement [Dylan and Coe]) in them but don't give a shit about the rap songs that say way worse thing about things that SJWs care about. Hate gay men, hate women, hate Jewish people, hate white people, ect. Those songs still get played on the radio, they're still popular with the Left. Anna from The Young Turks, a huge SJW that fights the good fight for equality, she too listens to these homophobic songs.

And again, I don't care about those words. I love rap, I don't want anything taken away from them, but I don't want white, strait men to have anything taken from them either.

Freedom of speech should be for everyone, not just what is socially correct.

Hilarious.

David Allen Coe was a racist MFer. What a complete fabrication of a fucking argument and a waste of time.

it's the same fucking thing every time
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