Current Events > Playing Kingdom Hearts 1 for the first time. Time to see what the hype is about.

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Terra-enforcer posted...

The XP is fixed (5 iirc) and you also get TP from parrying his attacks which is an additional XP. But that's why I just go for the Shadows. You don't get much XP from each of them on their own, but there are more in quantity and you still have opportunities for TP.

It might still be faster to fight Riku since you don't have to wander around.
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I'm pretty sure the guy did it with Tidus. You get like 2 tech points from one of his moves. And you don't have to keep starting the battle over.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

The XP is fixed (5 iirc) and you also get TP from parrying his attacks which is an additional XP. But that's why I just go for the Shadows. You don't get much XP from each of them on their own, but there are more in quantity and you still have opportunities for TP.

It might still be faster to fight Riku since you don't have to wander around.

Probably not. The length of Riku's fight varies too much, and it can sometimes be too long and too tedious (especially when you first fight him). Plus he can knock you out in like two hits on Crit mode. The heartless can be often be defeated in a single combo, and sometimes more than one at a time (especially once you start unlocking abilities). There's not too much wandering since heartless are pretty much everywhere, and worst case scenario you just enter the cabin then exit and they all respawn. After you get Sliding Dash or Ripple Drive you can finish off groups of them in a handful of seconds. They're also just easier in general.

Plus you also get free potions from the heartless you defeat.
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PerseusRad posted...

I'm pretty sure the guy did it with Tidus. You get like 2 tech points from one of his moves. And you don't have to keep starting the battle over.

Oh, you're right. Found a GameFAQs post talking about him and he said that the guy had this in his sig:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KErfiaKbJCQ
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*wyvern drops a power crystal which is a 2% drop*

*I accidentally fall off the ledge and go to another section before I grab it*


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Tried to fight Sephiroth and got my ass whooped. I don't think I even damaged him, even though I had Aeroga on >_>
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You damaged him, he just has so much health that he exceeds the maximum health bars that the game shows. I think the max is six(?) and Sephiroth is the only enemy in the game that has seven(?).

And yeah, he has an instakill attack. You need Second Chance to survive at all. Oh, apparently you can interrupt that. I never knew
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pegusus123456 posted...

You damaged him, he just has so much health that he exceeds the maximum health bars that the game shows. I think the max is six(?) and Sephiroth is the only enemy in the game that has seven(?).

That's pretty nuts lol
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pegusus123456 posted...

You damaged him, he just has so much health that he exceeds the maximum health bars that the game shows. I think the max is six(?) and Sephiroth is the only enemy in the game that has seven(?).

IIRC there's another boss with more health than displayed.

Perhaps more with the extra boss in FM.
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Jabodie posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

You damaged him, he just has so much health that he exceeds the maximum health bars that the game shows. I think the max is six(?) and Sephiroth is the only enemy in the game that has seven(?).

IIRC there's another boss with more health than displayed.

Perhaps more with the extra boss in FM.

I have a problem, so I looked at all the bosses on the wiki. Hades and Sephiroth both have 1800 HP whileRock Titan has 2100.
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I can't get past Cloud and Leon in the Hades Cup. They both just drain my health way too fast, even with Aeroga
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The Cups are things that aren't necessarily doable when they first become available.
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pegusus123456 posted...

The Cups are things that aren't necessarily doable when they first become available.

You can definitely do the cups before you finish the game though.

And KH1 doesn't have damage limits IIRC, so leveling high enough will eventually make every fight a cake walk.
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Alright, beat Hades Cup, got the Final Rest in the end of the world and I'm ready to take on the boss I guess. But I heard you get the best ending if you complete the journal? >_> I have all the dalmations and trinities, so all I have left is the fight every enemy type. idk if I should do that or just say fuck it and beat the game anyway
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And yeah, he has an instakill attack. You need Second Chance to survive at all. Oh, apparently you can interrupt that. I never knew

Yep, seems like it has to be a physical attack though so I always bring Strike Raid to the Seph battle. And Second Chance as a backup, of course.

And KH1 doesn't have damage limits IIRC, so leveling high enough will eventually make every fight a cake walk.

I mean, it technically would since any computer/program is going to have a number it can't exceed but I'm guessing that limit is too high to matter. The highest I ever raised my attack was until I could kill a 240XP defender in one combo.

Also, curious, if you level up to level 100 on DI, do the bonus levels you get from bosses level you up past 100?
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Bonus levels weren't introduced until KH2
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lolwut, Ansem has a stand?
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Wow, all these final bosses are piss easy >_> Yet I still can't beat Sephiroth or Phantom lol
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Welp. finally beat it.

Damn, this was an awesome game! The music, the characters, going into disney worlds. I can totally see why this series became so popular from this game >_> I can't believe I missed out on this from the PS2 era.

Time for Chain of Memories now >_> Anything I should know before I dive into that?
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NeonOctopus posted...

Wow, all these final bosses are piss easy >_> Yet I still can't beat Sephiroth or Phantom lol

Did you fight Kurt Zisa yet?
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Darkninja42 posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

Wow, all these final bosses are piss easy >_> Yet I still can't beat Sephiroth or Phantom lol

Did you fight Kurt Zisa yet?

No, Phantom and Sephiroth stomped my shit in
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NeonOctopus posted...

Darkninja42 posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

Wow, all these final bosses are piss easy >_> Yet I still can't beat Sephiroth or Phantom lol

Did you fight Kurt Zisa yet?

No, Phantom and Sephiroth stomped my shit in

I've never legit beat KH1 Sephiroth. I used a GameShark back on the PS2
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NeonOctopus posted...

lolwut, Ansem has a stand?

Other people without a stand can see it so it can't be a stand.
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Chain of Memories is... different. I don't think it's a terrible game, and the card system can be fun once you get a feel for it. Just be ready for a different kind of gameplay.

Kurt Zisa is probably the easiest super boss not counting Ice Titan. You can pop a summon with Tinkerbell at the beginning of the fight if you're fast enough and that helps tremendously.

Sephiroth just takes practice. Once you learn his pattern he's really not too bad. It just takes a few tries.
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Er... did Sora's VA change? He sounds different
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I would skip CoM and go straight to 2. The game is alright, but KHII: Final Mix will be a better follow-up if KHI left you hype.
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NeonOctopus posted...

Er... did Sora's VA change? He sounds different

Same VA, it's just that his balls dropped between KH1 and KH2, the latter of which is the voice you're hearing in Re:CoM. Haley Joel Osment was like, 13 or 14 when he first voiced Sora.
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Darkninja42 posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

Wow, all these final bosses are piss easy >_> Yet I still can't beat Sephiroth or Phantom lol

Did you fight Kurt Zisa yet?

Man, he was the only one I beat and I don't know how. Shit was hard as a kid. Never even touched Phantom or got a bar off Seph
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NeonOctopus posted...

So the proper order I should play these is:

1
Chain of Memories
2
Coded
358/2 Days
Brith by Sleep
Dream Drop Distance

Right? >_>

Not sure if someone said this already but play coded after Birth by Sleep. Coded's ending assumes you know the ending of BBS.
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I still say you should play Days before 2 tbh. >_>
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Phantom is a gimmick boss and, once you know that gimmick, the easiest optional boss. Keep Stop on the clock tower to prevent him from instakilling you with his countdown spell. His glowing ball shows what he's vulnerable to.
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CoM probably has one of my favorite battle systems late game.

Boss fights are some of the funnest imo. But that's only if you know what you're doing - either by looking it up or being willing to experiment with the deck.

I will say the game is NOT fun if you just spam physical attacks. It takes forever to kill anything. Now this post won't make much sense until you're done with the tutorial, but it will help you enjoy the game a lot more.

First, make sure you invest in CP. An easy way to progress is 1 HP - 2CP, and pick up a sleight at every opportunity.

The best way to construct your deck is in sets of three which allow for special moves, putting premium cards at the beginning of sets of three, and using items to keep your deck full. Initially it may seem item cards cost too much CP to be useful, but you don't need very many of them (1 early game to 3 max late game), and you can use them as premium cards. If you don't have any high level item cards for a while, or don't want to spend that much CP on item cards, you can use a low level item card and stack two high level kingdom keys under it to avoid getting it canceled.

Stack a couple 0 cards at the beginning of the deck for boss fights so you can clear any devastating combos. Just skip over them at the beginning of the fight, and don't worry about the card's stats. Just load up on Kingdom Keys. Also the most useful survival enemy cards are given by bosses, but there are a few enemy cards which, if farmed, can make very strong gimmick decks and reload buffs.

You're only ever introduced to a few sleights at a time as you get new cards, and there's a lot of monotony if you're just trudging through the game in empty rooms without thinking about your deck. Use random encounters to learn what different sleights are and which are useful for bosses and which are useful for mobs. Once you get a bit into the game, I would recommend you make two decks: one for mobs and one for bosses. It'll make mobbing go way faster, and grinding will be much less of a chore. Plus, it helps to change your boss deck to adapt to the fight - a much less annoying process if you have a separate boss deck.

I will say I don't think I enjoyed my first playthrough of CoM on the GBA. But I gave it a chance later and actually focused on the deck building aspect and it made it a lot more fun. While you can beat the game with a garbage deck, it's very difficult to have fun doing so, and it's a whole lot of fun with deck building in mind.

For a simple play through, I wouldn't bother farming enemy cards since most of the best ones are given by bosses. But, if you are interested, here are the best enemy cards from random drops (imo):

Air Soldier: allows you to reload while moving for 3 reloads.
Barrel Spider: gives you instant reload for 3 reloads.
Air Pirate: Item cards are unbreakable for 3 reloads.
Creeper Plant: Leaf Bracer - can come in handy sometimes.
Powerwild: "reverses" card values, so 1 goes to 9. Very good for gimmick decks where you want a lot of high level cards with low cost.

Of these the easiest to farm is by far the Barrel Spider, but Air Soldier is probably my favorite random enemy card and I've gotten it without farming almost every playthrough.
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^ I wish I knew this when I played.
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A couple clarifications:

Jabodie posted...

item cards cost too much CP to be useful, but you don't need very many of them (1 early game to 3 max late game)

This is assuming you have a deck which can finish a battle within a couple reloads (ie reasonably well made), so you don't need to reload a ton of times to finish fights. If you have a good deck you can usually finish battles just with item cards and no reloads.

Jabodie posted...

don't worry about the card's stats. Just load up on Kingdom Keys.

This is ONLY for 0 cards, since their sole purpose is for boss sleight canceling. Any cards you put in for regular physical combos, the stats do matter. Also keep in mind the stats are different for where they are in the combo.

Jabodie posted...

Plus, it helps to change your boss deck to adapt to the fight - a much less annoying process if you have a separate boss deck.

If you're having trouble with a boss, changing your deck is usually the best approach.

Jabodie posted...

Powerwild: "reverses" card values, so 1 goes to 9. Very good for gimmick decks where you want a lot of high level cards with low cost.

This lasts for one reload. But with the low cost of low CP cards, you can really stack your deck plus use item cards to refill, so odds are you won't need to reload.
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jabodie's making me wanna replay CoM super bad now. >_>

I only played the original GBA version, but I have 1.5 Final Mix which has the remake.
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WafflehouseJK posted...

jabodie's making me wanna replay CoM super bad now. >_>

I only played the original GBA version, but I have 1.5 Final Mix which has the remake.

It's still not for everybody, I think. But I had issues enjoying the game on my first playthrough of the GBA and PS2 releases like many others. But after looking some stuff up and really focusing on the deck building aspect, it made the game way more fun for me.

The other KH games are much more simple to enjoy. BBS took the deckbulding and simplified sleights into commands with cooldown. In fact, I believe the devs said the command system was inspired by the CoM combat system. However, they simplified it so it was more approachable and more easily enjoyed by the people who played it (which is good and more in line with the series).

One thing about Re:CoM is that sleights are a lot more powerful than in the original IIRC, and definitely a lot more powerful than commands in later games. You can get more OP in Re:CoM than you can in any other KH at the highest difficulty thanks to higher and higher CP as you level.
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I don't know if I ever actually beat CoM.

I think I got to the final boss with Marluxia's weird ass Mech final form shit.

And I didn't do the shit with Riku in the basement or whatever at all.
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WafflehouseJK posted...

And I didn't do the s*** with Riku in the basement or whatever at all.

Riku is definitely a bit of a slog since you can't customize your deck + you don't have magic cards. And there is only one friend card: Mickey.

Riku's playstyle basically focuses on learning the deck and enemies in each world so you can reliably card break into dark mode. After that, your deck reloads automatically and it's generally set up to string sleights together. He only has a few sleights, but the ones he does have are pretty fun and very effective.

Plus his raw combo DPS is huge once he hits dark mode.

Re:CoM adds a nice mechanic where same number cards result in a card duel, where you have to break several enemy cards in a row, and lets you do a special move if you pull it off. Overall, I think it's fun, but grinding to 99 takes way longer and, generally speaking, it's a bit harder since you're stuck with your deck.

The thing is that traversing the maps is even more barebones than Sora. Although they are usually smaller maps, there are no cutscenes at all in almost all the Disney worlds, with cutscenes almost exclusively happening in the staircases between. It's very much an "extra mode" kind of vibe.
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Yeah, I finished Traverse Town and CoM is dragging for me. I'll try those tips tho. Thanks
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CoM starts off really fucking slow and picks up nicely and ramps up in difficulty.
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Axel is by far the best part of CoM.
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This game is really weird. Why is it like this
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I could never beat CoM on GBA, I made it to one of the later bosses I think it was Riku Replica, I can't rememberand couldn't get past it. I tried an hour or so of the remake and just gave up. I really hate the battle system. I appreciate them trying something different but it was just annoying.
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NeonOctopus posted...

This game is really weird. Why is it like this

Welcome to CoM lol
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CoM is such a weird game because it has a playstyle 100% different from what people expeted from a Kingdom Hearts game, especially back when it first came out, while also being almost exactly like the first game, considering it just straight up recycles the worlds and individual world plots from the first game.
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WafflehouseJK posted...

CoM is such a weird game because it has a playstyle 100% different from what people expeted from a Kingdom Hearts game, especially back when it first came out, while also being almost exactly like the first game, considering it just straight up recycles the worlds and individual world plots from the first game.

But worlds are lame. They're literally just these lifeless boxes connected to each other. Please don't tell me every single world is like this and it's just boxes with new window dressing once in a while
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NeonOctopus posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

CoM is such a weird game because it has a playstyle 100% different from what people expeted from a Kingdom Hearts game, especially back when it first came out, while also being almost exactly like the first game, considering it just straight up recycles the worlds and individual world plots from the first game.

But worlds are lame. They're literally just these lifeless boxes connected to each other. Please don't tell me every single world is like this and it's just boxes with new window dressing once in a while

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Pics_nao_plz posted...

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vbty3 posted...

I would skip CoM and go straight to 2. The game is alright, but KHII: Final Mix will be a better follow-up if KHI left you hype.

Don't skip it, but do not play that piece of shit. Watch the cutscenes and that's it. I hated how important that game actually is.
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