Current Events > Even CNN is calling out Venezuela's socialism/far leftism for the collapse there

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OpheliaAdenade
07/28/17 11:38:39 AM
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Transcendentia posted...
Because CE's leftists don't want both. They want to jack up taxes on the producers, increase minimum wage beyond what that labor is worth, nationalize different sectors of the economy, print more money, spend more money on welfare programs, take it easy on paying back debts, etc.There are even a couple who are literally straight up communists.


Both sides of the political spectrum have crazies. You can't assume the entire left thinks that way. Most people have a way more moderate point of view than that.
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Transcendentia
07/28/17 11:41:18 AM
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OpheliaAdenade posted...
Transcendentia posted...
Because CE's leftists don't want both. They want to jack up taxes on the producers, increase minimum wage beyond what that labor is worth, nationalize different sectors of the economy, print more money, spend more money on welfare programs, take it easy on paying back debts, etc.There are even a couple who are literally straight up communists.


Both sides of the political spectrum have crazies. You can't assume the entire left thinks that way. Most people have a way more moderate point of view than that.


We're on CE. If I was interested in polling the population to get the moderate tone, I'd do so. But on CE that's definitely the case.

By the way, how moderate do you think Democrats in Illinois are?
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Malcolm_Caradoc
07/28/17 11:42:01 AM
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The Admiral posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
Transcendentia posted...
frozenshock posted...
Whatever you're doing, you got to be smart about it. A left wing government and a right wing government can both collapse the economy if they're run by idiots


True, but on this board there are many far-left CEmen who think socialism is the second coming and that being far left is the only sane position. Not even kidding. Meanwhile, we see a country that implemented exactly the types of things they want implemented. That country is collapsing, in all of the same ways conservatives have been warning for decades.


The socialism the left wants and the socialism in Venezuela are not the same concepts, regardless of how vehemently the right insists they are.


The socialism the left wants in the U.S. is "I get free shit that someone else pays for." That isn't any more sustainable than the Venezuelan model. Amazingly, the so-called U.S. socialist become incredibly conservative when you ask them how much they are personally willing to contribute to see the expanded social programs they champion.


Yeah you conservatives are such good people, happy to plunge America into eternal debt. God forbid we raise taxes on people who can afford to pay them, that would be STEALING! Meanwhile the country's broke, your unchecked capitalism's causing a runaway train of inequality, all the wealth and political power are in the hands of Richy Rich who can afford to pay his SuperPAC, who also happens to be Caucasian not coincidentally. Banks can get bailed out, automakers bailed out, tycoons bailed out, but FUCK if you'll do anything to help the people. You'll keep pumping your voters full of cultural grievance and white persecution complex for their votes til the United Statea completes its fall from superpowedom and greedy sob's like you will be laughing all the way to the bank.
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OpheliaAdenade
07/28/17 11:42:35 AM
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Transcendentia posted...
By the way, how moderate do you think Democrats in Illinois are?


I don't know, I'm from Ohio. :u
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Transcendentia
07/28/17 11:43:05 AM
#56:


Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
Yeah you conservatives are such good people, happy to plunge America into eternal debt. God forbid we raise taxes on people who can afford to pay them, that would be STEALING! Meanwhile the countey's broke, your unchecked capitalism's causing a runaway train of inequality, all the wealth and political power are in the hands of Richy Rich who can afford to pay his SuperPAC, who also happens to be Caucasian not coincidentally. Banks can get bailed out, automakers bailed out, tycoons bailed out, but f*** if you'll do anything to help the people. You'll keep pumping your voters full of cultural grievance and white persecution complex for their votes til the United Statea completes its fall from superpowedom and greedy sob's like you will be laughing all the way to the bank.


lmao what
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SSJ-Spiderman
07/28/17 11:44:01 AM
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OpheliaAdenade posted...
Transcendentia posted...
By the way, how moderate do you think Democrats in Illinois are?


I don't know, I'm from Ohio. :u

Explains a lot.
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Antifar
07/28/17 11:44:43 AM
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This is a long read, but may be clarifying to some on terms like "socialism," "leftism," etc.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/07/what-socialism-means
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Transcendentia
07/28/17 11:46:43 AM
#59:


Antifar posted...
This is a long read, but may be clarifying to some on terms like "socialism," "leftism," etc.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/07/what-socialism-means


Is that organization a leftist think tank?
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Antifar
07/28/17 11:48:28 AM
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Transcendentia posted...
Is that organization a leftist think tank?

Current Affairs is a magazine, not a think tank. That article is an opinion piece by Freddie Deboer. He can be up his own ass at times, and tends to pick pedantic fights, but his writing is good most of the time.
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The23rdMagus
07/28/17 11:48:39 AM
#61:


Transcendentia posted...
Antifar posted...
This is a long read, but may be clarifying to some on terms like "socialism," "leftism," etc.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/07/what-socialism-means


Is that organization a leftist think tank?

Would you accept it only from a right-wing source?

I'm pretty sure they have an article on confirmation bias, but it won't tell you anything new.
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Malcolm_Caradoc
07/28/17 11:48:58 AM
#62:


Transcendentia posted...
Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
Yeah you conservatives are such good people, happy to plunge America into eternal debt. God forbid we raise taxes on people who can afford to pay them, that would be STEALING! Meanwhile the countey's broke, your unchecked capitalism's causing a runaway train of inequality, al justl the wealth and political power are in the hands of Richy Rich who can afford to pay his SuperPAC, who also happens to be Caucasian not coincidentally. Banks can get bailed out, automakers bailed out, tycoons bailed out, but f*** if you'll do anything to help the people. You'll keep pumping your voters full of cultural grievance and white persecution complex for their votes til the United Statea completes its fall from superpowedom and greedy sob's like you will be laughing all the way to the bank.


lmao what


You can read Proudclad. Why don't you try dedicating your life to HELPING PEOPLE, to being good to people, just once, instead of shitposting like you always do. The crap you pull here makes me sick. You've never once stood up for anything but selfishness and greed and shitposting and trolling. I dont know why you choose to be so consistently awful.
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Transcendentia
07/28/17 11:49:35 AM
#63:


The23rdMagus posted...
Transcendentia posted...
Antifar posted...
This is a long read, but may be clarifying to some on terms like "socialism," "leftism," etc.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/07/what-socialism-means


Is that organization a leftist think tank?

Would you accept it only from a right-wing source?

I'm pretty sure they have an article on confirmation bias, but it won't tell you anything new.


No, but I want to make sure that I copy the liberal style of denouncing anything that is deemed a right-wing think tank.
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SSJ-Spiderman
07/28/17 11:50:00 AM
#64:


Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
Transcendentia posted...
Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
Yeah you conservatives are such good people, happy to plunge America into eternal debt. God forbid we raise taxes on people who can afford to pay them, that would be STEALING! Meanwhile the countey's broke, your unchecked capitalism's causing a runaway train of inequality, al justl the wealth and political power are in the hands of Richy Rich who can afford to pay his SuperPAC, who also happens to be Caucasian not coincidentally. Banks can get bailed out, automakers bailed out, tycoons bailed out, but f*** if you'll do anything to help the people. You'll keep pumping your voters full of cultural grievance and white persecution complex for their votes til the United Statea completes its fall from superpowedom and greedy sob's like you will be laughing all the way to the bank.


lmao what


You can read Proudclad. Why don't you try dedicating your life to HELPING PEOPLE, to being good to people, just once, instead of shitposting like you always do. The crap you pull here makes me sick. You've never once stood up for anything but selfishness and greed and shitposting and trolling. I dont know why you choose to be so consistently awful.

Whose alt is this?
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Transcendentia
07/28/17 11:50:18 AM
#65:


Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
Transcendentia posted...
Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
Yeah you conservatives are such good people, happy to plunge America into eternal debt. God forbid we raise taxes on people who can afford to pay them, that would be STEALING! Meanwhile the countey's broke, your unchecked capitalism's causing a runaway train of inequality, al justl the wealth and political power are in the hands of Richy Rich who can afford to pay his SuperPAC, who also happens to be Caucasian not coincidentally. Banks can get bailed out, automakers bailed out, tycoons bailed out, but f*** if you'll do anything to help the people. You'll keep pumping your voters full of cultural grievance and white persecution complex for their votes til the United Statea completes its fall from superpowedom and greedy sob's like you will be laughing all the way to the bank.


lmao what


You can read Proudclad. Why don't you try dedicating your life to HELPING PEOPLE, to being good to people, just once, instead of shitposting like you always do. The crap you pull here makes me sick. You've never once stood up for anything but selfishness and greed and shitposting and trolling. I dont know why you choose to be so consistently awful.


Step up on your main lmao. And what do you do to help people? For all you know I do more than you do.
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SSJ-Spiderman
07/28/17 11:52:02 AM
#66:


Transcendentia posted...
Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
Transcendentia posted...
Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
Yeah you conservatives are such good people, happy to plunge America into eternal debt. God forbid we raise taxes on people who can afford to pay them, that would be STEALING! Meanwhile the countey's broke, your unchecked capitalism's causing a runaway train of inequality, al justl the wealth and political power are in the hands of Richy Rich who can afford to pay his SuperPAC, who also happens to be Caucasian not coincidentally. Banks can get bailed out, automakers bailed out, tycoons bailed out, but f*** if you'll do anything to help the people. You'll keep pumping your voters full of cultural grievance and white persecution complex for their votes til the United Statea completes its fall from superpowedom and greedy sob's like you will be laughing all the way to the bank.


lmao what


You can read Proudclad. Why don't you try dedicating your life to HELPING PEOPLE, to being good to people, just once, instead of shitposting like you always do. The crap you pull here makes me sick. You've never once stood up for anything but selfishness and greed and shitposting and trolling. I dont know why you choose to be so consistently awful.


Step up on your main lmao. And what do you do to help people? For all you know I do more than you do.

He doesn't do anything. He shitposts on this site all day about how other people should use their money.
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Transcendentia
07/28/17 11:53:03 AM
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SSJ-Spiderman posted...
He doesn't do anything. He s***posts on this site all day about how other people should use their money.


But who is he?
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SSJ-Spiderman
07/28/17 11:53:48 AM
#68:


Transcendentia posted...
SSJ-Spiderman posted...
He doesn't do anything. He s***posts on this site all day about how other people should use their money.


But who is he?

I don't know. He won't admit who he is an alt of, and therefore, he shouldn't be taken seriously.
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Malcolm_Caradoc
07/28/17 11:59:08 AM
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You don't do shit Proudclad. Mummy and Daddy gave you a comfortable childhood without any kind of adversity, paid for you to go to college, and now you're nice and graduated with a cushy job, looking down on all the peons who weren't as blessed as you were. You haven't repaid a SINGLE ONE of the kindnesses you've been shown in life. Never shown yourself to be anything but a selfish disappointment, incapable of personal growth. You just get on every day and shitpost.
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SSJ-Spiderman
07/28/17 12:00:54 PM
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Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
You don't do shit Proudclad. Mummy and Daddy gave you a comfortable childhood without any kind of adversity, paid for you to go to college, and now you're nice and graduated with a cushy job, looking down on all the peons who weren't as blessed as you were. You haven't repaid a SINGLE ONE of the kindnesses you've been shown in life. Never shown yourself to be anything but a selfish disappointment, incapable of personal growth. You just get on every day and shitpost.

Whose alt are you?
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SSJ-Spiderman
07/28/17 12:01:19 PM
#72:


shockthemonkey posted...
Transcendentia posted...
The23rdMagus posted...
Transcendentia posted...
Antifar posted...
This is a long read, but may be clarifying to some on terms like "socialism," "leftism," etc.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/07/what-socialism-means


Is that organization a leftist think tank?

Would you accept it only from a right-wing source?

I'm pretty sure they have an article on confirmation bias, but it won't tell you anything new.


No, but I want to make sure that I copy the liberal style of denouncing anything that is deemed a right-wing think tank.

Dude you really need to get laid

You have almost 100 active posts.
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Transcendentia
07/28/17 12:02:17 PM
#73:


Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
You don't do shit Proudclad. Mummy and Daddy gave you a comfortable childhood without any kind of adversity, paid for you to go to college, and now you're nice and graduated with a cushy job, looking down on all the peons who weren't as blessed as you were. You haven't repaid a SINGLE ONE of the kindnesses you've been shown in life. Never shown yourself to be anything but a selfish disappointment, incapable of personal growth. You just get on every day and shitpost.


lmao what? i paid for my own college and help out my family quite a bit. step up on your main kid
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Malcolm_Caradoc
07/28/17 12:07:53 PM
#74:


Transcendentia posted...
Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
You don't do shit Proudclad. Mummy and Daddy gave you a comfortable childhood without any kind of adversity, paid for you to go to college, and now you're nice and graduated with a cushy job, looking down on all the peons who weren't as blessed as you were. You haven't repaid a SINGLE ONE of the kindnesses you've been shown in life. Never shown yourself to be anything but a selfish disappointment, incapable of personal growth. You just get on every day and shitpost.


lmao what? i paid for my own college and help out my family quite a bit. step up on your main kid


How much empathy have you ever showed to people outside your family, who are DIFFERENT than you? And I don't mean your fucking political contributions to the Heritage Club for Growth. All I've ever seen you give people is a cold shoulder. Ten African Americans go out in the street and protest and you're first on the CE scene to call it a riot and blame libbies for causing chaos. That's the kind of person you are, completely elitist and closed off from other people.
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Transcendentia
07/28/17 12:08:40 PM
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oh okay so basically you're a shitposting alt who has no idea what he's talking about. got it.
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HydraSlayer82
07/28/17 12:11:30 PM
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Transcendentia posted...
oh okay so basically you're a shitposting alt who has no idea what he's talking about. got it.

Shhhh, let him think you can't work and go to school at the same time. I had to do the same thing. Mom and dad had exactly 0 dollars for me to go to school.
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Malcolm_Caradoc
07/28/17 12:11:40 PM
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Transcendentia posted...
oh okay so basically you're a shitposting alt who has no idea what he's talking about. got it.


Lol. Notice you haven't contradicted anything I said. Did I hit a little close to home? You know wisdom comes with introspection, maybe you should do a little of that instead of trolling randos on CE every day. What the hell kind of world do you even think you're fighting for.
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The23rdMagus
07/28/17 12:13:35 PM
#79:


SSJ-Spiderman posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Transcendentia posted...
The23rdMagus posted...
Transcendentia posted...
Antifar posted...
This is a long read, but may be clarifying to some on terms like "socialism," "leftism," etc.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/07/what-socialism-means


Is that organization a leftist think tank?

Would you accept it only from a right-wing source?

I'm pretty sure they have an article on confirmation bias, but it won't tell you anything new.


No, but I want to make sure that I copy the liberal style of denouncing anything that is deemed a right-wing think tank.

Dude you really need to get laid

You have almost 100 active posts.

So do you.
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SSJ-Spiderman
07/28/17 12:13:41 PM
#80:


Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
Transcendentia posted...
oh okay so basically you're a shitposting alt who has no idea what he's talking about. got it.
You know wisdom comes with introspection, maybe you should do a little of that instead of trolling randos on CE every day. What the hell kind of world do you even think you're fighting for.

The irony is astounding.
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Transcendentia
07/28/17 12:14:11 PM
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HydraSlayer82 posted...
Transcendentia posted...
oh okay so basically you're a shitposting alt who has no idea what he's talking about. got it.

Shhhh, let him think you can't work and go to school at the same time. I had to do the same thing. Mom and dad had exactly 0 dollars for me to go to school.


Yeah, same here. Actually, when I started college my parents didn't have any money because it was right when the economy collapsed during the Great Recession. I worked full-time most of my college years. Not sure who he is, but he's got things completely wrong. I've never even donated to the Heritage Club or whatever. He's definitely some really bitter neckbeard or something, hiding on an alt.
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Transcendentia
07/28/17 12:14:52 PM
#82:


The23rdMagus posted...
SSJ-Spiderman posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Transcendentia posted...
The23rdMagus posted...
Transcendentia posted...
Antifar posted...
This is a long read, but may be clarifying to some on terms like "socialism," "leftism," etc.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/07/what-socialism-means


Is that organization a leftist think tank?

Would you accept it only from a right-wing source?

I'm pretty sure they have an article on confirmation bias, but it won't tell you anything new.


No, but I want to make sure that I copy the liberal style of denouncing anything that is deemed a right-wing think tank.

Dude you really need to get laid

You have almost 100 active posts.

So do you.


Yeah, but he's not the one saying someone else needs to get laid lol
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The23rdMagus
07/28/17 12:20:47 PM
#84:


shockthemonkey posted...
Don't respond to Hoth alts

Oh, I just can't keep track of them anymore. Can't people even manage to hold onto a single account these days without getting banned, or am I behind the times?
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Malcolm_Caradoc
07/28/17 12:21:51 PM
#85:


What have you done this year for people outside of your family, your church, or your place of work. What have you done to help all the lowly people you accuse of wanting to steal other people's precious money. How much have you given. How many hours have you volunteered. Surprise me. I'll give you the chance.
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The23rdMagus
07/28/17 12:23:54 PM
#87:


shockthemonkey posted...
The23rdMagus posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Don't respond to Hoth alts

Oh, I just can't keep track of them anymore. Can't people even manage to hold onto a single account these days without getting banned, or am I behind the times?

Hoth gonna Hoth, he needs too much attention.

I mean, shitposting to the point of a ban is the latest trend, isn't it? Gosh, I've never been one for these newfangled trends. I don't know if I could be "with it". I think I'll have to wait until they change what "it" is again, so it's something I can be with.
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Transcendentia
07/28/17 12:24:41 PM
#88:


Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
What have you done this year for people outside of your family, your church, or your place of work. What have you done to help all the lowly people you accuse of wanting to steal other people's precious money. How much have you given. How many hours have you volunteered. Surprise me. I'll give you the chance.


Once the year is over, over $30,000 in taxes into the pot and many hours spent teaching the less fortunate how to program and work with technology. What have you done and why should I care about your chance? LMFAO you overestimate your importance.
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Questionmarktarius
07/28/17 12:25:44 PM
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It's an inevitability when a popular "strongman" emerges who has no idea what he's doing (other than being popular), purges anyone who does, then backfills the now-empty spots with cronies.
See also: Zimbabwe, Haiti.

Fortunately, the USA has, since 1788, a handful of safeguards that (theoretically) prevent a "Great Leader" from doing very much. The parliamentary systems in much of Europe (theoretically) do the same.
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Tmaster148
07/28/17 12:25:59 PM
#90:


The23rdMagus posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Don't respond to Hoth alts

Oh, I just can't keep track of them anymore. Can't people even manage to hold onto a single account these days without getting banned, or am I behind the times?


People can manage, it's just shitposters who have no ability to control themselves who lose their accounts.
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Malcolm_Caradoc
07/28/17 12:29:24 PM
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Transcendentia posted...
Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
What have you done this year for people outside of your family, your church, or your place of work. What have you done to help all the lowly people you accuse of wanting to steal other people's precious money. How much have you given. How many hours have you volunteered. Surprise me. I'll give you the chance.


Once the year is over, over $30,000 in taxes into the pot and many hours spent teaching the less fortunate how to program and work with technology. What have you done and why should I care about your chance? LMFAO you overestimate your importance.



It says something about you that you led with "I paid my taxes." Which you also think are too high, so apparently even that was pulling your arm. What did you ACTUALLY give and do, for SELFLESS reasons?
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HiddenLurker
07/28/17 12:32:39 PM
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Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
Transcendentia posted...
Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
What have you done this year for people outside of your family, your church, or your place of work. What have you done to help all the lowly people you accuse of wanting to steal other people's precious money. How much have you given. How many hours have you volunteered. Surprise me. I'll give you the chance.


Once the year is over, over $30,000 in taxes into the pot and many hours spent teaching the less fortunate how to program and work with technology. What have you done and why should I care about your chance? LMFAO you overestimate your importance.



It says something about you that you led with "I paid my taxes." Which you also think are too high, so apparently even that was pulling your arm. What did you ACTUALLY give and do, for SELFLESS reasons?

You keep demanding to know how generous the other guy is so I assume you have no problem posting your own generosity? And please make it believeable thanks
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Malcolm_Caradoc
07/28/17 12:34:22 PM
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Also "You overestimate your importance" is exactly the kind of thing I'd expect some smug cocky elitist to say about poor he doesn't care about so good job keeping in character. Everyone is important "Transcendentia", I am you are and the rest of us are too.
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Arcvalons
07/28/17 12:37:33 PM
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lol @ CNN being anything but liberal, leftism =/= liberalism
lol @ a nationalistic, militaristic regime where the means of production are not democratically owned being socialist
inb4 "no real scotsman!!!"
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treewojima
07/28/17 12:43:01 PM
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>2017
>arguing with Proudclad
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Malcolm_Caradoc
07/28/17 12:53:06 PM
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It's a great scam people like Proudclad have got going. According to them EVERYONE who isn't as crazy right wing as them is a leftist or a socialist. Obama was a socialist for eight years. Hillary was a socialist. Then Bernie came on the scene and he was a socialist too just like Obummer and Hilldog, no difference! IT'S EASY to score political victories when you drain all the gradient out things. The hilarious thing is none of those people are really socialist, not even Bernie. CNN isn't leftist either, and the Democrats are actually a center-right wing political party. They dont care thoigh, they dont see their own extremism.
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Questionmarktarius
07/28/17 12:59:47 PM
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Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
They dont care thoigh, they dont see their own extremism.

See also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
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The Admiral
07/28/17 1:04:04 PM
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Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
It's a great scam people like Proudclad have got going. According to them EVERYONE who isn't as crazy right wing as them is a leftist or a socialist. Obama was a socialist for eight years. Hillary was a socialist. Then Bernie came on the scene and he was a socialist too just like Obummer and Hilldog, no difference! IT'S EASY to score political victories when you drain all the gradient out things. The hilarious thing is none of those people are really socialist, not even Bernie. CNN isn't leftist either, and the Democrats are actually a center-right wing political party. They dont care thoigh, they dont see their own extremism.


Post on your main or STFU already. No one has any interest in debating with cowardly alts.
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