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The Admiral 07/30/17 3:40:39 PM #51:	That Antifa flyer has an ethnic slur for Jews in that second line. Pretty much all you need to know about the "movement." --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:883880680] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote>That Antifa flyer has an ethnic slur for Jews in that second line. Pretty much all you need to know about the "movement."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 07/30/17 3:44:50 PM #52:	TimePharaoh posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmfRMeU6pQ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvfhmhITkYY --- S / K / Y / N / E Twitch/YouTube/GT: *Adzeta* <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:883880883] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>TimePharaoh posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmfRMeU6pQ8</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvfhmhITkYY</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EyeWontBeFooled 07/30/17 3:46:53 PM #53:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Glass_Phantom posted... Very nice graphic. I love how it takes the "Red Letter Media" approach by being so huge and formidable-looking that psychologically, it almost places itself above refutation. (I think human minds are conditioned to be easily-spooked by things that are big and imposing like that.) Lol. You are actually contending that I have given you too much evidence that I am correct. I think you need to have a long, serious think about the implications of your automatic rejection of factual data. It's also very difficult to respond to point-by-point, since there are so very many points, and the doing so would be so very long and painstaking. Therefore I edited your graphic a little to remove everything that's useless. I hope you don't mind. Do you have any fucking idea what Sharia is and what it entails? Do you actually see no issue with imposing theocratic laws onto a country? Ironically enough, you probably shit yourself when Christians in the US try to force creationism into science classes. Well, imagine that, but also pushing for executing homosexuals, women who commit adultery, and anyone who apostates from Islam. Now you would be getting an idea of what Sharia law looks like. My rebuttal is: yes, there are a lot of Muslims in the world that have beliefs I think are wrongheaded. Some of them are even beliefs I consider to be evil. I won't be drawn into the mistake of laying everything that's wrong in the Islamic world at the feet of Islam, though, when it simply isn't true. Uh, I'm pretty sure Islam is the source of everything wrong with Islam. It's kind of an elementary association. People are people. Muslims are not more likely to be evil on account of their religion; we can see that here in the United States, where Muslims tend to be a lot more liberal. No, they're made to be more evil on account of their circumstance. Folks like you will never admit that though, because just as the dictator in Tehran stands to gain politically by manufacturing hatred towards heretics and apostates, you stand to gain politically by manufacturing hatred towards Muslims. It allows you to create an incentive for "protecting" your countrymen and members of your ethnicity from outsiders, which you parlay into votes and political support. Your ways aren't very much different. It's really amusing that someone who claims to be on the side of "social justice" is telling me that I stand to gain political power by admonishing a religion that preaches for hatred against Jews, women, homosexuals, and anyone who refuses to follow their bronze-age theocratic doctrine. And the fact that you can't see the irony there is depressingly hilarious. You have a very juvenile view of this issue, I hope you grow up, or at least troll better than this. --- You come up with something better! <cite>EyeWontBeFooled posted [p:883880980] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Glass_Phantom posted...</cite> <quote>Very nice graphic. I love how it takes the "Red Letter Media" approach by being so huge and formidable-looking that psychologically, it almost places itself above refutation. (I think human minds are conditioned to be easily-spooked by things that are big and imposing like that.)</quote> Lol. You are actually contending that I have given you too much evidence that I am correct. I think you need to have a long, serious think about the implications of your automatic rejection of factual data. <quote>It's also very difficult to respond to point-by-point, since there are so very many points, and the doing so would be so very long and painstaking. Therefore I edited your graphic a little to remove everything that's useless. I hope you don't mind.</quote> Do you have any fucking idea what Sharia is and what it entails? Do you actually see no issue with imposing theocratic laws onto a country? Ironically enough, you probably shit yourself when Christians in the US try to force creationism into science classes. Well, imagine that, but also pushing for executing homosexuals, women who commit adultery, and anyone who apostates from Islam. Now you would be getting an idea of what Sharia law looks like. <quote>My rebuttal is: yes, there are a lot of Muslims in the world that have beliefs I think are wrongheaded. Some of them are even beliefs I consider to be evil. I won't be drawn into the mistake of laying everything that's wrong in the Islamic world at the feet of Islam, though, when it simply isn't true.</quote> Uh, I'm pretty sure Islam is the source of everything wrong with Islam. It's kind of an elementary association. <quote>People are people. Muslims are not more likely to be evil on account of their religion; we can see that here in the United States, where Muslims tend to be a lot more liberal. No, they're made to be more evil on account of their circumstance. Folks like you will never admit that though, because just as the dictator in Tehran stands to gain politically by manufacturing hatred towards heretics and apostates, you stand to gain politically by manufacturing hatred towards Muslims. It allows you to create an incentive for "protecting" your countrymen and members of your ethnicity from outsiders, which you parlay into votes and political support. Your ways aren't very much different.</quote> It's really amusing that someone who claims to be on the side of "social justice" is telling me that I stand to gain political power by admonishing a religion that preaches for hatred against Jews, women, homosexuals, and anyone who refuses to follow their bronze-age theocratic doctrine. And the fact that you can't see the irony there is depressingly hilarious.</quote> You have a very juvenile view of this issue, I hope you grow up, or at least troll better than this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/30/17 4:07:40 PM #54:	EyeWontBeFooled posted... You have a very juvenile view of this issue, I hope you grow up, or at least troll better than this. Look, another pleb defending forced theocratic doctrine. Had no idea CE was full of fundies. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883882083] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>EyeWontBeFooled posted...</cite> <quote>You have a very juvenile view of this issue, I hope you grow up, or at least troll better than this.</quote> Look, another pleb defending forced theocratic doctrine. Had no idea CE was full of fundies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 07/30/17 4:11:21 PM #55:	Banana_Cyanide posted... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF8bKttWAAA3dRs.jpg This is a flier that Antifa has been spreading around. This is not a joke, parody, satire, or "troll". Antifa legitimately believe this. They believe that the only course of action now is violent revolution and the mass slaughter of innocent people. Not just people but children and I know of at least 3 people on this site who will defend them. This is what social justice warriorism breeds. It's a mish mash of ideologies that produces some of the most racist, sexist, most bigoted people you will ever meet and it's not just against white people and men. My god the shit these people will say about women and black people who don't agree with them and yet there are people on this site who will defend them and hail them as champions of "social justice". It's sad, it's pathetic, and it's about time these people woke up and start seeing these sjw, intersectional feminist, blm, antifa types for who they really are. These people are monsters and you don't have to be one of them. Anyone putting up those flyers should be imprisoned for life. <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:883882294] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>Banana_Cyanide posted...</cite> <quote>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF8bKttWAAA3dRs.jpg This is a flier that Antifa has been spreading around. This is not a joke, parody, satire, or "troll". Antifa legitimately believe this. They believe that the only course of action now is violent revolution and the mass slaughter of innocent people. Not just people but children and I know of at least 3 people on this site who will defend them. This is what social justice warriorism breeds. It's a mish mash of ideologies that produces some of the most racist, sexist, most bigoted people you will ever meet and it's not just against white people and men. My god the shit these people will say about women and black people who don't agree with them and yet there are people on this site who will defend them and hail them as champions of "social justice". It's sad, it's pathetic, and it's about time these people woke up and start seeing these sjw, intersectional feminist, blm, antifa types for who they really are. These people are monsters and you don't have to be one of them.</quote> Anyone putting up those flyers should be imprisoned for life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Banana_Cyanide 07/30/17 4:48:06 PM #56:	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__B2ZXkAAdO97.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__KtwWAAIiunu.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__QfnWAAIrAcu.jpg These are the kinds of people that Glass_Phantom is defending. Don't be like Glass_Phantom. Also, Storm Justice. --- Who knew bananas could be so lethal? Proud member of The Church of The God-Emperor of Man. <cite>Banana_Cyanide posted [p:883884162] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__B2ZXkAAdO97.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__KtwWAAIiunu.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__QfnWAAIrAcu.jpg These are the kinds of people that Glass_Phantom is defending. Don't be like Glass_Phantom. Also, Storm Justice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 07/30/17 6:35:03 PM #57:	Banana_Cyanide posted... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__B2ZXkAAdO97.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__KtwWAAIiunu.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__QfnWAAIrAcu.jpg These are the kinds of people that Glass_Phantom is defending. Don't be like Glass_Phantom. Also, Storm Justice. Holy fuck. That Susan Has A Gun person is seriously ill. <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:883889623] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>Banana_Cyanide posted...</cite> <quote>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__B2ZXkAAdO97.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__KtwWAAIiunu.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__QfnWAAIrAcu.jpg These are the kinds of people that Glass_Phantom is defending. Don't be like Glass_Phantom. Also, Storm Justice.</quote> Holy fuck. That Susan Has A Gun person is seriously ill.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 07/30/17 6:38:30 PM #58:	Reminder that Banana_Cyanide hand waived these posts when he asked why these users were suspended. I don't think you should take what he says about racism seriously. --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:883889805] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote>Reminder that Banana_Cyanide hand waived these posts when he asked why these users were suspended. I don't think you should take what he says about racism seriously. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Banana_Cyanide 07/30/17 7:30:53 PM #59:	maybe if sjw types hadn't trivialized the word racism so much I wouldn't have made such a mistake. Seriously you have no idea just how jaded and cynical I was when that happened. So yes I'll admit that I made a mistake and yes I'm still pissed at you for not keeping it private until I had a chance to respond. Either way I know better now. --- Who knew bananas could be so lethal? Proud member of The Church of The God-Emperor of Man. <cite>Banana_Cyanide posted [p:883892245] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote>maybe if sjw types hadn't trivialized the word racism so much I wouldn't have made such a mistake. Seriously you have no idea just how jaded and cynical I was when that happened. So yes I'll admit that I made a mistake and yes I'm still pissed at you for not keeping it private until I had a chance to respond. Either way I know better now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glass_Phantom 07/30/17 7:47:49 PM #60:	-Gavirulax- posted... I'm not exactly campaigning to change minds on gaming website social board, no, I instead post my opinions @-Gavirulax- It's your prerogative to compartmentalize your life, and put "posting your opinions" in one bin, and any effort to change hearts and minds in another bin (which you will get to down the road, someday, when you decide to attend some conferences again). It's baffling to me, though, when one of those seems to blatantly undermine the other. IMO every interaction we have with each other as human beings is important, even the ones we have here. Especially the ones here, because people's id is unleashed on anonymous forums like this one. When people bear their id, they're bearing the core of their personality and beliefs -- the closest thing to a soul we know of. And when that soul is exposed, it's very easy for ignorance and prejudice to rub off on it, and for people to become radicalized against minorities of all different stripes. There are evil, evil people who practice Islam, and there are evil, evil things which are done in the name of Islam. No one should ever turn a blind eye to it. But far from denouncing those people, it appears what you're really doing -- advertently or inadvertently -- is giving cover for people to vilify all Muslims as followers of a savage religion. You had some awful experiences, and I'm sorry for that. No one should ever be ostracized on account of their sexuality. But I don't think it's right to allow personal animosity to intrude on your critique, and then frame that critique as the dispassionate insight of an ex-Muslim, when in fact it isn't dispassionate at all. That's my read into you, because attacking Muhammad doesn't heal anything, doesn't fix anything, doesn't increase the goodness quotient of the universe -- but I can see how it could increase a person's level of satisfaction by giving him an outlet for his justifiable anger, or allowing him to say things he wasn't prohibited from saying before by institution or scripture. If I've misjudged you, then I am sorry, but that's what I've gleaned from your posts. If you think I am wrong let me know. Sephiroth1288 posted... Look how you're trying to change the subject. You probably aren't even aware of it yourself because of how subtle it is, but it's interesting how your defense mechanisms are so dishonest. You made the claim that dictators in the middle east want their people at odds with each other so that they would be less inclined to fight the real enemy, the dictator themself. But only an absolute fool would look at the before and after today and conclude that there was less infighting in countries during the dictators' reigns. Of all the issues I brought up in my first post, you chose to only argue the Muslim point and ignore all the others, presumably because you thought this would be the one you could win an argument on. I'd really hate to see how misinformed you are on all those other things if that's the case. What would you like to talk about then? <cite>Glass_Phantom posted [p:883893030] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>-Gavirulax- posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not exactly campaigning to change minds on gaming website social board, no, I instead post my opinions</quote> @-Gavirulax- It's your prerogative to compartmentalize your life, and put "posting your opinions" in one bin, and any effort to change hearts and minds in another bin (which you will get to down the road, someday, when you decide to attend some conferences again). It's baffling to me, though, when one of those seems to blatantly undermine the other. IMO every interaction we have with each other as human beings is important, even the ones we have here. Especially the ones here, because people's id is unleashed on anonymous forums like this one. When people bear their id, they're bearing the core of their personality and beliefs -- the closest thing to a soul we know of. And when that soul is exposed, it's very easy for ignorance and prejudice to rub off on it, and for people to become radicalized against minorities of all different stripes. There are evil, evil people who practice Islam, and there are evil, evil things which are done in the name of Islam. No one should ever turn a blind eye to it. But far from denouncing those people, it appears what you're really doing -- advertently or inadvertently -- is giving cover for people to vilify all Muslims as followers of a savage religion. You had some awful experiences, and I'm sorry for that. No one should ever be ostracized on account of their sexuality. But I don't think it's right to allow personal animosity to intrude on your critique, and then frame that critique as the dispassionate insight of an ex-Muslim, when in fact it isn't dispassionate at all. That's my read into you, because attacking Muhammad doesn't heal anything, doesn't fix anything, doesn't increase the goodness quotient of the universe -- but I can see how it could increase a person's level of satisfaction by giving him an outlet for his justifiable anger, or allowing him to say things he wasn't prohibited from saying before by institution or scripture. If I've misjudged you, then I am sorry, but that's what I've gleaned from your posts. If you think I am wrong let me know. <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Look how you're trying to change the subject. You probably aren't even aware of it yourself because of how subtle it is, but it's interesting how your defense mechanisms are so dishonest. You made the claim that dictators in the middle east want their people at odds with each other so that they would be less inclined to fight the real enemy, the dictator themself. But only an absolute fool would look at the before and after today and conclude that there was less infighting in countries during the dictators' reigns. Of all the issues I brought up in my first post, you chose to only argue the Muslim point and ignore all the others, presumably because you thought this would be the one you could win an argument on. I'd really hate to see how misinformed you are on all those other things if that's the case.</quote> What would you like to talk about then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/30/17 7:51:56 PM #61:	Glass_Phantom posted... What would you like to talk about then? Care to explain why it isn't worrisome that over half the muslims in the world want the law of the land to be Sharia? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883893243] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>Glass_Phantom posted...</cite> <quote>What would you like to talk about then?</quote> Care to explain why it isn't worrisome that over half the muslims in the world want the law of the land to be Sharia?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJ-Spiderman 07/30/17 8:04:37 PM #62:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Glass_Phantom posted... What would you like to talk about then? Care to explain why it isn't worrisome that over half the muslims in the world want the law of the land to be Sharia? <cite>SSJ-Spiderman posted [p:883893866] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Glass_Phantom posted...</cite> <quote>What would you like to talk about then?</quote> Care to explain why it isn't worrisome that over half the muslims in the world want the law of the land to be Sharia?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tezlok 07/30/17 9:57:12 PM #64:	CrimsonRage posted... Imagine hating Hillary for lies and corruption but then loving Trump. An immature president is better than an evil president <cite>Tezlok posted [p:883899149] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>CrimsonRage posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine hating Hillary for lies and corruption but then loving Trump.</quote> An immature president is better than an evil president</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaname_Madoka 07/31/17 12:09:39 AM #65:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Kaname_Madoka posted... social justice is mr satan being friends with buu This guy gets it --- Drawn for me by \| Popcorn_Fairy: https://i.imgtc.com/cvSNxRT.jpg \| Volkswagen_Bros: http://i.imgur.com/86XOVXb.jpg \| ShinobiNinjaX: https://imgur.com/bPb5vEV <cite>Kaname_Madoka posted [p:883905233] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kaname_Madoka posted...</cite> <quote>social justice is mr satan being friends with buu</quote></quote> This guy gets it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Disrespector 07/31/17 12:15:24 AM #67:	I see a whole lot of butthurt conservatives itt lmao. SO easy to trigger them. Just say muslims are normal people. --- "Dammit, Smithers! This isn't rocket science, it's brain surgery!" <cite>Disrespector posted [p:883905463] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote>I see a whole lot of butthurt conservatives itt lmao. SO easy to trigger them. Just say muslims are normal people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SSJ-Spiderman 07/31/17 7:10:23 PM #69:	SSJ-Spiderman posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Glass_Phantom posted... What would you like to talk about then? Care to explain why it isn't worrisome that over half the muslims in the world want the law of the land to be Sharia? @Glass_Phantom <cite>SSJ-Spiderman posted [p:883950092] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJ-Spiderman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Glass_Phantom posted...</cite> <quote>What would you like to talk about then?</quote> Care to explain why it isn't worrisome that over half the muslims in the world want the law of the land to be Sharia?</quote></quote> @Glass_Phantom</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JohnLennon6 07/31/17 11:39:35 PM #70:	-Gavirulax- posted... Disrespector posted... I see a whole lot of butthurt conservatives itt lmao. SO easy to trigger them. Just say muslims are normal people. Muslims are normal people. Which ones are "butthurt" - will they announce it? Nobody is butthurt, @Disrespector is just going after strawmen. --- He has good daygame - MasterOfMissions <cite>JohnLennon6 posted [p:883964816] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>-Gavirulax- posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Disrespector posted...</cite> <quote>I see a whole lot of butthurt conservatives itt lmao. SO easy to trigger them. Just say muslims are normal people.</quote> Muslims are normal people. Which ones are "butthurt" - will they announce it?</quote> Nobody is butthurt, @Disrespector is just going after strawmen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 08/01/17 11:52:59 AM #71:	Tezlok posted... CrimsonRage posted... Imagine hating Hillary for lies and corruption but then loving Trump. An immature president is better than an evil president XD at anyone who believes in legit "evil." That's just dumb. Hillary is a shitty person though, I'll give you that. Trump is just shittier imo. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:883987429] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tezlok posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CrimsonRage posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine hating Hillary for lies and corruption but then loving Trump.</quote> An immature president is better than an evil president</quote> XD at anyone who believes in legit "evil." That's just dumb. Hillary is a shitty person though, I'll give you that. Trump is just shittier imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glass_Phantom 08/02/17 7:01:54 PM #72:	-Gavirulax- posted... It's irrelevant. I'm far from the only ex-Muslim who speaks of how toxic I find religon to be, particularly Islam. I won't defend an ideology which is responsible for so much dogmatic madness and my sexuallity is far from the only reason (your simplification of why I left, for example) I became an Apostate. I'm also not big on certain holy texts announcing that women are flat out inferior or that the worst Muslim is better than the best Christian or Kafir, let alone some of the more maddening Hadiths which do little more than inspire Islamic extremism. On top of that, I already stated that I don't agree with a group of people (no matter how pointless the belief) judging another group on the actions of a few, which I'm also not responsible for (even if they took my words as gospel, they wouldn't be able to justify discrimination against those who believe in a fatuous fairy tale, I'm not as intolerant as the Quran) and for you to hide behind that nonsense you're engaging in (claiming that I and others like me are giving a platform for the far right, as if anyone is for that) is intellectually lazy on your behalf and likely used to dodge actual serious discussion. Most of the other stuff you resorted to was new age Deepak Chopra woo woo; words connected with no meaning in an attempt to silence criticism - not the slightest bit impressive. @-Gavirulax- Then can I ask you this? <cite>Glass_Phantom posted [p:884073087] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>-Gavirulax- posted...</cite> <quote>It's irrelevant. I'm far from the only ex-Muslim who speaks of how toxic I find religon to be, particularly Islam. I won't defend an ideology which is responsible for so much dogmatic madness and my sexuallity is far from the only reason (your simplification of why I left, for example) I became an Apostate. I'm also not big on certain holy texts announcing that women are flat out inferior or that the worst Muslim is better than the best Christian or Kafir, let alone some of the more maddening Hadiths which do little more than inspire Islamic extremism. On top of that, I already stated that I don't agree with a group of people (no matter how pointless the belief) judging another group on the actions of a few, which I'm also not responsible for (even if they took my words as gospel, they wouldn't be able to justify discrimination against those who believe in a fatuous fairy tale, I'm not as intolerant as the Quran) and for you to hide behind that nonsense you're engaging in (claiming that I and others like me are giving a platform for the far right, as if anyone is for that) is intellectually lazy on your behalf and likely used to dodge actual serious discussion. Most of the other stuff you resorted to was new age Deepak Chopra woo woo; words connected with no meaning in an attempt to silence criticism - not the slightest bit impressive.</quote> @-Gavirulax- Then can I ask you this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Glass_Phantom 08/02/17 7:06:22 PM #74:	@-Gavirulax- Whoops, sorry. I hit the post message button on accident. What I meant to say was-- Then can I ask you this? Over the last ten years, US Muslims' acceptance of homosexuality has doubled. It's gone from 27% acceptance of homosexuality in 2007 to 52% acceptance of homosexuality today. In the same time period, the percentage of US Muslims who say religion is very important has also increased. The margin is +13% over Muslims who say it's less important. In fact, US Muslims' acceptance of homosexuality now outpaces evangelical Christians' acceptance of homosexuality. (To my disappointment -- I am one D:) Can I ask you how that squares? If religion really is the nexus for hatred towards homosexuals, towards women, towards apostates, then why do US Muslims appear to be growing more accepting of those groups? <cite>Glass_Phantom posted [p:884073342] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote>@-Gavirulax- Whoops, sorry. I hit the post message button on accident. What I meant to say was-- Then can I ask you this? Over the last ten years, US Muslims' acceptance of homosexuality has doubled. It's gone from 27% acceptance of homosexuality in 2007 to 52% acceptance of homosexuality today. In the same time period, the percentage of US Muslims who say religion is very important has also increased. The margin is +13% over Muslims who say it's less important. In fact, US Muslims' acceptance of homosexuality now outpaces evangelical Christians' acceptance of homosexuality. (To my disappointment -- I am one D:) Can I ask you how that squares? If religion really is the nexus for hatred towards homosexuals, towards women, towards apostates, then why do US Muslims appear to be growing more accepting of those groups?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Glass_Phantom 08/02/17 7:11:01 PM #76:	-Gavirulax- posted... Secondly, my problem is with Islam (the ideology), not with Muslims (the people), something you apparently cannot tell the difference with. @-Gavirulax- Could you tell me why you are hostile? If I've said anything to offend you, I'm sorry. <cite>Glass_Phantom posted [p:884073565] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>-Gavirulax- posted...</cite> <quote>Secondly, my problem is with Islam (the ideology), not with Muslims (the people), something you apparently cannot tell the difference with.</quote> @-Gavirulax- Could you tell me why you are hostile? If I've said anything to offend you, I'm sorry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Glass_Phantom 08/02/17 8:02:50 PM #78:	-Gavirulax- posted... Secondly, my problem is with Islam (the ideology), @-Gavirulax- Do you think religion is really just an ideology? Religion isn't just an ideology. It can also be identity, culture, and social institutions. To speak of it merely as "ideology" is overly-reductive. I'll readily agree that certain subsets of Islam are terrible. Salafi Jihadism isn't just barbaric, it's an existential threat to Arab and Muslim societies. I don't have any qualms about saying that. Saying "Islam is bad," though... Again, I think that's overly-reductive. The reason I say that is because, again, Islam isn't just an ideology. Please forgive me for this observation, I don't mean to cause offense, but it seems to me Islamic extremists and anti-Islam activists share the same interpretation of Islam, and the same "manualistic" reading of its sources. Islam isn't a manual to be followed for everyone. I'm a devout Christian. There isn't a single part of me that doubts Jesus is the Son of God, and he died on the cross for our sins. Despite that, I don't presume the Bible to me a manual for how I live my life -- even though I'm an evangelical Christian! Knowing that about myself, if you were to tell me, "I think your religion is toxic and anyone who believes strongly in it is inherently dangerous," I would be awfully sad, for in my opinion, you would have just stereotyped me and borne prejudice against me. It's true most Muslims in the world don't have such moderate opinions. My question is, how much of that is really down to religion? US Muslims are reading from the same book as Muslims in Saudi Arabia, yet they're far more tolerant. Why? If Islam is just an ideology and the Koran a manual to be followed, then shouldn't that ideology be universal? Yet It isn't. Because Islam isn't just an ideology. It's also community, and identity, and social institutions. Moreover, ideology itself doesn't exist in a vacuum. Ideology is connected to all sorts of social, political, and other contexts. Here is my analogy. Most Muslims throughout the world live in oppressive societies where Islam is a political tool, which is wielded for the sake of oppression. The more their oppressors strike them, the more the oppressors leave an imprint on the Muslims they're keeping oppressed -- and the mark that gets made happens to be shaped like Islam, because that is the tool the oppressors are using to beat the people down. And as the downtrodden people are beaten down again and again, their souls become bludgeoned, and disfigured, and this manifests in all of the hatred you associate with Islam: hatred towards, gays, towards, women, towards apostates. It takes time, sometimes generations, for that ugliness to heal. But it isn't the religion any of us should bear hostility towards, but rather the people wielding the weapon: the dictators, autocrats, and oppressors in the Middle East. <cite>Glass_Phantom posted [p:884076537] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>-Gavirulax- posted...</cite> <quote>Secondly, my problem is with Islam (the ideology),</quote> @-Gavirulax- Do you think religion is really just an ideology? Religion isn't just an ideology. It can also be identity, culture, and social institutions. To speak of it merely as "ideology" is overly-reductive. I'll readily agree that certain subsets of Islam are terrible. Salafi Jihadism isn't just barbaric, it's an existential threat to Arab and Muslim societies. I don't have any qualms about saying that. Saying "Islam is bad," though... Again, I think that's overly-reductive. The reason I say that is because, again, Islam isn't just an ideology. Please forgive me for this observation, I don't mean to cause offense, but it seems to me Islamic extremists and anti-Islam activists share the same interpretation of Islam, and the same "manualistic" reading of its sources. Islam isn't a manual to be followed for everyone. I'm a devout Christian. There isn't a single part of me that doubts Jesus is the Son of God, and he died on the cross for our sins. Despite that, I don't presume the Bible to me a manual for how I live my life -- even though I'm an evangelical Christian! Knowing that about myself, if you were to tell me, "I think your religion is toxic and anyone who believes strongly in it is inherently dangerous," I would be awfully sad, for in my opinion, you would have just stereotyped me and borne prejudice against me. It's true most Muslims in the world don't have such moderate opinions. My question is, how much of that is really down to religion? US Muslims are reading from the same book as Muslims in Saudi Arabia, yet they're far more tolerant. Why? If Islam is just an ideology and the Koran a manual to be followed, then shouldn't that ideology be universal? Yet It isn't. Because Islam isn't just an ideology. It's also community, and identity, and social institutions. Moreover, ideology itself doesn't exist in a vacuum. Ideology is connected to all sorts of social, political, and other contexts. Here is my analogy. Most Muslims throughout the world live in oppressive societies where Islam is a political tool, which is wielded for the sake of oppression. The more their oppressors strike them, the more the oppressors leave an imprint on the Muslims they're keeping oppressed -- and the mark that gets made happens to be shaped like Islam, because that is the tool the oppressors are using to beat the people down. And as the downtrodden people are beaten down again and again, their souls become bludgeoned, and disfigured, and this manifests in all of the hatred you associate with Islam: hatred towards, gays, towards, women, towards apostates. It takes time, sometimes generations, for that ugliness to heal. But it isn't the religion any of us should bear hostility towards, but rather the people wielding the weapon: the dictators, autocrats, and oppressors in the Middle East.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glass_Phantom 08/02/17 8:05:44 PM #79:	-Gavirulax- posted... Also I believe a couple of people posed a question to you, rather hostile of you to ignore it, isn't it? @-Gavirulax- I will respond when I have a little more time. I'm very busy this evening and I actually need to step away for an hour right now. =) <cite>Glass_Phantom posted [p:884076699] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>-Gavirulax- posted...</cite> <quote>Also I believe a couple of people posed a question to you, rather hostile of you to ignore it, isn't it?</quote> @-Gavirulax- I will respond when I have a little more time. I'm very busy this evening and I actually need to step away for an hour right now. =)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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glitteringfairy 08/02/17 8:10:42 PM #81:	Fuckin REKT that SJW --- "How come you can believe in God but not Bigfoot?" V-E-G-Y http://i.imgur.com/AqR3aeX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vvuUXpp.jpg <cite>glitteringfairy posted [p:884076949] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote>Fuckin REKT that SJW</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 08/03/17 10:16:38 AM #82:	Glass phantom and gavurilax should get a room, imho --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:884106699] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote>Glass phantom and gavurilax should get a room, imho</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/03/17 10:54:27 AM #83:	Banana_Cyanide posted... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__B2ZXkAAdO97.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__KtwWAAIiunu.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__QfnWAAIrAcu.jpg These are the kinds of people that Glass_Phantom is defending. Don't be like Glass_Phantom. Also, Storm Justice. I will continue to refuse to use "laninx" nor bother to take it seriously, until someone tells me exactly how it's pronounced. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:884108290] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>Banana_Cyanide posted...</cite> <quote>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__B2ZXkAAdO97.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__KtwWAAIiunu.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__QfnWAAIrAcu.jpg These are the kinds of people that Glass_Phantom is defending. Don't be like Glass_Phantom. Also, Storm Justice.</quote> I will continue to refuse to use "laninx" nor bother to take it seriously, until someone tells me exactly how it's pronounced.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 08/03/17 12:22:32 PM #84:	Questionmarktarius posted... Banana_Cyanide posted... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__B2ZXkAAdO97.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__KtwWAAIiunu.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__QfnWAAIrAcu.jpg These are the kinds of people that Glass_Phantom is defending. Don't be like Glass_Phantom. Also, Storm Justice. I will continue to refuse to use "laninx" nor bother to take it seriously, until someone tells me exactly how it's pronounced. Could be the same word, possibly a misspelling, but I saw the term "latinx" written on something and was curious about pronunciation. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:884112375] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Banana_Cyanide posted...</cite> <quote>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__B2ZXkAAdO97.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__KtwWAAIiunu.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF__QfnWAAIrAcu.jpg These are the kinds of people that Glass_Phantom is defending. Don't be like Glass_Phantom. Also, Storm Justice.</quote> I will continue to refuse to use "laninx" nor bother to take it seriously, until someone tells me exactly how it's pronounced.</quote> Could be the same word, possibly a misspelling, but I saw the term "latinx" written on something and was curious about pronunciation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/03/17 12:25:57 PM #85:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Could be the same word, possibly a misspelling, but I saw the term "latinx" written on something and was curious about pronunciation. Yeah that. Oops Hooray for typing! <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:884112564] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Could be the same word, possibly a misspelling, but I saw the term "latinx" written on something and was curious about pronunciation.</quote> Yeah that. Oops Hooray for typing!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
k darkfire 08/03/17 12:30:56 PM #86:	People have no right to cry about SJ. SJWs are breaking the law. <cite>k darkfire posted [p:884112857] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote>People have no right to cry about SJ. SJWs are breaking the law.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JohnLennon6 08/05/17 12:15:08 AM #87:	Why do all the leftists on this board think they know more about Islam than a former Muslim? --- He has good daygame - MasterOfMissions <cite>JohnLennon6 posted [p:884209844] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote>Why do all the leftists on this board think they know more about Islam than a former Muslim?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glass_Phantom 08/07/17 1:40:20 AM #88:	-Gavirulax- posted... Then you do not know a thing about Islam, because yes, it is and unlike Christianity, Islam applies to politics, every single part of life is covered by Islam, I suggest you look into it instead of pretending you already know. I suggest you start with the pillars and move on from there, good for a beginner. Not every human being is the same, -Gavirulax-, and not every human being has the same Islam. That's your blind spot. Whenever someone proclaims, "Islam says this," or "Islam says that," the only correct response is, "Which Islam?" No doubt you'll rebuke me further for daring to say that, but it is the truth. Just because Salafism, the most anti-rational and dogmatic interpretation of Islam, has gone mainstream, does not mean it is Islam. I have no doubt you had a wretched experience with Islam. I don't blame you for leaving it, nor do I care much what you choose to believe in. However, I fear you've taken your revolt against your former religion too far, to the point where anger and retribution have begun to re-magnetize your compass towards a very destructive pole. It's evident both are a part of you, and it isn't good. A man who wields religion as a sword and uses it to slice away at the dignity and rights of others is a radical. But a man who pronounces a faith of 1.8 billion people to be universally evil and corrupt is also a radical. Just in a different way. I don't know more about Islam than you do, and I don't claim to. I know this much, though: the Qur'an doesn't mention any punishment for homosexuality, at least not explicitly. Anything about killing or oppressing homosexuals arises from hadith, which I understand to be of far lesser authority and certainty. In fact, the Qur'an calls for death to be administered only in two cases: murder and terrorism. In the case of murder, the Qur'an allows the victim's family to forgive the killer, and therefore death is not compulsory. Death for apostasy, blasphemy, heresy, and adultery derives from hadith, not from the Qur'an. And there are many problems with the hadiths, as well you know. Different sects have different hadith canons, and a small minority of Muslims reject them altogether. Even then there are many hadiths whose authenticity has historically been questioned, given they were originally orally/verbally transmitted. (As I understand it, it's believed that the Prophet Muhammad imposed a prohibition on hadiths during his lifetime, given he did not want them mixing with the Qur'an, and the canonical books of hadith were not compiled until three centuries after his death) In fact, my understanding is the Qur'an itself is rather light on rules relative to other religions. Out of 6,000+ verses, only perhaps 100 or 200 are rule-bearing verses; the draconian rules we see in the Middle East today largely arise from hadith. Given that Sunnis, Shias, Ibadhis, etc. all agree on the Qur'an, but don't all agree on the hadiths, and at times have wildly divergent interpretations, I wonder how you can be so cavalier about blurring these lines and reducing all the complexity of the religion to an easily-dismissed caricature. I would like to hear your rationalization for this. <cite>Glass_Phantom posted [p:884321348] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote><cite>-Gavirulax- posted...</cite> <quote>Then you do not know a thing about Islam, because yes, it is and unlike Christianity, Islam applies to politics, every single part of life is covered by Islam, I suggest you look into it instead of pretending you already know. I suggest you start with the pillars and move on from there, good for a beginner.</quote> Not every human being is the same, -Gavirulax-, and not every human being has the same Islam. That's your blind spot. Whenever someone proclaims, "Islam says this," or "Islam says that," the only correct response is, "Which Islam?" No doubt you'll rebuke me further for daring to say that, but it is the truth. Just because Salafism, the most anti-rational and dogmatic interpretation of Islam, has gone mainstream, does not mean it is Islam. I have no doubt you had a wretched experience with Islam. I don't blame you for leaving it, nor do I care much what you choose to believe in. However, I fear you've taken your revolt against your former religion too far, to the point where anger and retribution have begun to re-magnetize your compass towards a very destructive pole. It's evident both are a part of you, and it isn't good. A man who wields religion as a sword and uses it to slice away at the dignity and rights of others is a radical. But a man who pronounces a faith of 1.8 billion people to be universally evil and corrupt is also a radical. Just in a different way. I don't know more about Islam than you do, and I don't claim to. I know this much, though: the Qur'an doesn't mention any punishment for homosexuality, at least not explicitly. Anything about killing or oppressing homosexuals arises from hadith, which I understand to be of far lesser authority and certainty. In fact, the Qur'an calls for death to be administered only in two cases: murder and terrorism. In the case of murder, the Qur'an allows the victim's family to forgive the killer, and therefore death is not compulsory. Death for apostasy, blasphemy, heresy, and adultery derives from hadith, not from the Qur'an. And there are many problems with the hadiths, as well you know. Different sects have different hadith canons, and a small minority of Muslims reject them altogether. Even then there are many hadiths whose authenticity has historically been questioned, given they were originally orally/verbally transmitted. (As I understand it, it's believed that the Prophet Muhammad imposed a prohibition on hadiths during his lifetime, given he did not want them mixing with the Qur'an, and the canonical books of hadith were not compiled until three centuries after his death) In fact, my understanding is the Qur'an itself is rather light on rules relative to other religions. Out of 6,000+ verses, only perhaps 100 or 200 are rule-bearing verses; the draconian rules we see in the Middle East today largely arise from hadith. Given that Sunnis, Shias, Ibadhis, etc. all agree on the Qur'an, but don't all agree on the hadiths, and at times have wildly divergent interpretations, I wonder how you can be so cavalier about blurring these lines and reducing all the complexity of the religion to an easily-dismissed caricature. I would like to hear your rationalization for this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Life Sympathy 08/07/17 1:47:54 AM #89:	Hope TC has a contingency plan for the Hikikomori problem that will inevitably arise. --- We're surrounding you. We see you, but you probably don't see us. And if you see us, we're not letting on that we see you. <cite>Life Sympathy posted [p:884321623] in Never be a... [t:75611748]...</cite> <quote>Hope TC has a contingency plan for the Hikikomori problem that will inevitably arise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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