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Fam_Fam 07/23/17 8:47:44 AM #1:	maybe men should organize and fight against those things instead of bitching about it, you know...like feminists do for women's issue. people complain about stereotypes about men not being able to have support networks to deal with their issues...if they genuinely want to deal with things that they think are unfair to them, they can organize with each other to put those issues out there. i think men can learn from feminists in that regard. perhaps women would be willing to listen to those issues if men were willing to listen to the legitimate issues that feminists bring up (note i mean feminists who want rights and fair treatment, not "man hating feminists" that people like to talk about all the time) <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:883438173] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote>maybe men should organize and fight against those things instead of bitching about it, you know...like feminists do for women's issue. people complain about stereotypes about men not being able to have support networks to deal with their issues...if they genuinely want to deal with things that they think are unfair to them, they can organize with each other to put those issues out there. i think men can learn from feminists in that regard. perhaps women would be willing to listen to those issues if men were willing to listen to the legitimate issues that feminists bring up (note i mean feminists who want rights and fair treatment, not "man hating feminists" that people like to talk about all the time)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 07/23/17 8:51:40 AM #2:	Fam_Fam posted... maybe men should organize and fight against those things instead of bitching about it, you know...like feminists do for women's issue. they tried. they started a small movement called MRAs and then a lot of people joined up and decided to talk about nothing but how awful feminists are. then they gave up. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:883438274] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>maybe men should organize and fight against those things instead of bitching about it, you know...like feminists do for women's issue.</quote> they tried. they started a small movement called MRAs and then a lot of people joined up and decided to talk about nothing but how awful feminists are. then they gave up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 07/23/17 8:53:13 AM #3:	Fam_Fam posted... maybe men should organize and fight against those things instead of bitching about it, you know...like feminists do for women's issue. people complain about stereotypes about men not being able to have support networks to deal with their issues...if they genuinely want to deal with things that they think are unfair to them, they can organize with each other to put those issues out there. i think men can learn from feminists in that regard. perhaps women would be willing to listen to those issues if men were willing to listen to the legitimate issues that feminists bring up (note i mean feminists who want rights and fair treatment, not "man hating feminists" that people like to talk about all the time) Riiight, except that female feminists are fond of explaining to men that men need feminism, that feminism will improve their lives and society in general, and they call upon men to join them as allies. Did you forget all about Hermione's He for She campaign? --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:883438308] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>maybe men should organize and fight against those things instead of bitching about it, you know...like feminists do for women's issue. people complain about stereotypes about men not being able to have support networks to deal with their issues...if they genuinely want to deal with things that they think are unfair to them, they can organize with each other to put those issues out there. i think men can learn from feminists in that regard. perhaps women would be willing to listen to those issues if men were willing to listen to the legitimate issues that feminists bring up (note i mean feminists who want rights and fair treatment, not "man hating feminists" that people like to talk about all the time)</quote> Riiight, except that female feminists are fond of explaining to men that men need feminism, that feminism will improve their lives and society in general, and they call upon men to join them as allies. Did you forget all about Hermione's He for She campaign?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 07/23/17 8:53:36 AM #4:	ChromaticAngel posted... Fam_Fam posted... maybe men should organize and fight against those things instead of bitching about it, you know...like feminists do for women's issue. they tried. they started a small movement called MRAs and then a lot of people joined up and decided to talk about nothing but how awful feminists are. then they gave up. i was gonna say, when i hear of men's rights activists, i think of something like All Lives Matter, which isn't actually a group to deal with issues, but a slogan meant to undermine another movement. i was not aware of there being actual efforts to do anything useful within MRAs <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:883438314] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>maybe men should organize and fight against those things instead of bitching about it, you know...like feminists do for women's issue.</quote> they tried. they started a small movement called MRAs and then a lot of people joined up and decided to talk about nothing but how awful feminists are. then they gave up.</quote> i was gonna say, when i hear of men's rights activists, i think of something like All Lives Matter, which isn't actually a group to deal with issues, but a slogan meant to undermine another movement. i was not aware of there being actual efforts to do anything useful within MRAs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fam_Fam 07/23/17 8:55:55 AM #6:	Lorenzo_2003 posted... Fam_Fam posted... maybe men should organize and fight against those things instead of bitching about it, you know...like feminists do for women's issue. people complain about stereotypes about men not being able to have support networks to deal with their issues...if they genuinely want to deal with things that they think are unfair to them, they can organize with each other to put those issues out there. i think men can learn from feminists in that regard. perhaps women would be willing to listen to those issues if men were willing to listen to the legitimate issues that feminists bring up (note i mean feminists who want rights and fair treatment, not "man hating feminists" that people like to talk about all the time) Riiight, except that female feminists are fond of explaining to men that men need feminism, that feminism will improve their lives and society in general, and they call upon men to join them as allies. Did you forget all about Hermione's He for She campaign? I don't know about that campaign. And, if you take feminism as equal treatment for both sexes, that WOULD be better for both sexes. Men have shit that isn't fair for them as well, and what I'm saying is that men can more actively fight for those things, rather than using it as an excuse to undermine feminism. Perhaps both sides can gain from some mutual respect and collaboration. Again, I'm aware of the extremists who make this difficult (on both sides), but I'm saying there IS a middle ground which WOULD benefit both sides, if there was legitimate effort from both sides to effect those changes <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:883438356] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>maybe men should organize and fight against those things instead of bitching about it, you know...like feminists do for women's issue. people complain about stereotypes about men not being able to have support networks to deal with their issues...if they genuinely want to deal with things that they think are unfair to them, they can organize with each other to put those issues out there. i think men can learn from feminists in that regard. perhaps women would be willing to listen to those issues if men were willing to listen to the legitimate issues that feminists bring up (note i mean feminists who want rights and fair treatment, not "man hating feminists" that people like to talk about all the time)</quote> Riiight, except that female feminists are fond of explaining to men that men need feminism, that feminism will improve their lives and society in general, and they call upon men to join them as allies. Did you forget all about Hermione's He for She campaign?</quote> I don't know about that campaign. And, if you take feminism as equal treatment for both sexes, that WOULD be better for both sexes. Men have shit that isn't fair for them as well, and what I'm saying is that men can more actively fight for those things, rather than using it as an excuse to undermine feminism. Perhaps both sides can gain from some mutual respect and collaboration. Again, I'm aware of the extremists who make this difficult (on both sides), but I'm saying there IS a middle ground which WOULD benefit both sides, if there was legitimate effort from both sides to effect those changes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mandasnake 07/23/17 8:57:23 AM #8:	MRAs talk about legitimate issues, but it becomes a defensive movement because the feminists don't want it to exist. --- Paging...Dr. Snakes Gorbachev <cite>Mandasnake posted [p:883438389] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote>MRAs talk about legitimate issues, but it becomes a defensive movement because the feminists don't want it to exist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 07/23/17 8:57:53 AM #9:	Fam_Fam posted... i was gonna say, when i hear of men's rights activists, i think of something like All Lives Matter, which isn't actually a group to deal with issues, but a slogan meant to undermine another movement. i was not aware of there being actual efforts to do anything useful within MRAs MRAs, like a lot of other similar groups, was a movement started with some honest aspirations and was immediately hijacked by fuckwits. There are also a lot of "feminists" who are going around arguing in favor of nearly 100% of the feminist rhetoric but refuse to call themselves feminists for similar reasons. Hashtag activism plus the greater internet fuckwad theory has taken otherwise normal ideals and turned them into these vitriolic shouting matches and people just want to back away from it. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:883438399] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>i was gonna say, when i hear of men's rights activists, i think of something like All Lives Matter, which isn't actually a group to deal with issues, but a slogan meant to undermine another movement. i was not aware of there being actual efforts to do anything useful within MRAs</quote> MRAs, like a lot of other similar groups, was a movement started with some honest aspirations and was immediately hijacked by fuckwits. There are also a lot of "feminists" who are going around arguing in favor of nearly 100% of the feminist rhetoric but refuse to call themselves feminists for similar reasons. Hashtag activism plus the greater internet fuckwad theory has taken otherwise normal ideals and turned them into these vitriolic shouting matches and people just want to back away from it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 07/23/17 8:57:54 AM #10:	Mandasnake posted... MRAs talk about legitimate issues, but it becomes a defensive movement because the feminists don't want it to exist. similar to how men don't want feminism to exist? <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:883438400] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mandasnake posted...</cite> <quote>MRAs talk about legitimate issues, but it becomes a defensive movement because the feminists don't want it to exist.</quote> similar to how men don't want feminism to exist?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mandasnake 07/23/17 8:58:35 AM #11:	Fam_Fam posted... similar to how men don't want feminism to exist? false equivalence. most people in general don't like feminism. --- Paging...Dr. Snakes Gorbachev <cite>Mandasnake posted [p:883438413] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>similar to how men don't want feminism to exist? </quote> false equivalence. most people in general don't like feminism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 07/23/17 9:01:03 AM #12:	ChromaticAngel posted... Fam_Fam posted... i was gonna say, when i hear of men's rights activists, i think of something like All Lives Matter, which isn't actually a group to deal with issues, but a slogan meant to undermine another movement. i was not aware of there being actual efforts to do anything useful within MRAs MRAs, like a lot of other similar groups, was a movement started with some honest aspirations and was immediately hijacked by fuckwits. There are also a lot of "feminists" who are going around arguing in favor of nearly 100% of the feminist rhetoric but refuse to call themselves feminists for similar reasons. Hashtag activism plus the greater internet fuckwad theory has taken otherwise normal ideals and turned them into these vitriolic shouting matches and people just want to back away from it. I agree, there are asshats on both sides. What I'm suggesting is that there is opportunities for those who do believe in genuine issues for men (personally, I think they exist, but frankly are so small compared to issues others do have) to do productive work that does not attack other groups, but instead focuses on actual inequities that do affect men. I think those who are serious about it can and should also be serious about listening to issues that feminists have. I think if both sides did that, we could make some ground. The current combative approach is simply not effective, and is damaging to both sides. Rather than discrediting feminists, "Men's Rights Activists" should instead focusing on outreach and building support networks to make light the issues they see, as give support to the issues that others present as well <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:883438465] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>i was gonna say, when i hear of men's rights activists, i think of something like All Lives Matter, which isn't actually a group to deal with issues, but a slogan meant to undermine another movement. i was not aware of there being actual efforts to do anything useful within MRAs</quote> MRAs, like a lot of other similar groups, was a movement started with some honest aspirations and was immediately hijacked by fuckwits. There are also a lot of "feminists" who are going around arguing in favor of nearly 100% of the feminist rhetoric but refuse to call themselves feminists for similar reasons. Hashtag activism plus the greater internet fuckwad theory has taken otherwise normal ideals and turned them into these vitriolic shouting matches and people just want to back away from it.</quote> I agree, there are asshats on both sides. What I'm suggesting is that there is opportunities for those who do believe in genuine issues for men (personally, I think they exist, but frankly are so small compared to issues others do have) to do productive work that does not attack other groups, but instead focuses on actual inequities that do affect men. I think those who are serious about it can and should also be serious about listening to issues that feminists have. I think if both sides did that, we could make some ground. The current combative approach is simply not effective, and is damaging to both sides. Rather than discrediting feminists, "Men's Rights Activists" should instead focusing on outreach and building support networks to make light the issues they see, as give support to the issues that others present as well</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fam_Fam 07/23/17 9:02:48 AM #14:	Fam_Fam posted... Mandasnake posted... MRAs talk about legitimate issues, but it becomes a defensive movement because the feminists don't want it to exist. similar to how men don't want feminism to exist? Mandasnake posted... Fam_Fam posted... similar to how men don't want feminism to exist? false equivalence. most people in general don't like feminism. I think that is is analogous to the statement you made. Also, the amount of people who believe something doesn't make it true / valid. There are MRAs who want to talk about legit issues, and their are feminists who want to talk about legit issues. I think both can coexist and work to mutual benefit if both sides are actually willing to do so. There will be people who don't support either/both, but that is irrelevant. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:883438504] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mandasnake posted...</cite> <quote>MRAs talk about legitimate issues, but it becomes a defensive movement because the feminists don't want it to exist.</quote> similar to how men don't want feminism to exist?</quote> <cite>Mandasnake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>similar to how men don't want feminism to exist? </quote> false equivalence. most people in general don't like feminism.</quote> I think that is is analogous to the statement you made. Also, the amount of people who believe something doesn't make it true / valid. There are MRAs who want to talk about legit issues, and their are feminists who want to talk about legit issues. I think both can coexist and work to mutual benefit if both sides are actually willing to do so. There will be people who don't support either/both, but that is irrelevant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mandasnake 07/23/17 9:05:04 AM #15:	Fam_Fam posted... I think that is is analogous to the statement you made. Also, the amount of people who believe something doesn't make it true / valid. There are MRAs who want to talk about legit issues, and their are feminists who want to talk about legit issues. I think both can coexist and work to mutual benefit if both sides are actually willing to do so. There will be people who don't support either/both, but that is irrelevant. hahahaha, neither the majority of MRAs or feminists want to talk about legitimate issues. This is a case of horseshoe theory. The majority of feminists and MRAs are just psychotic people who hate the other sex. --- Paging...Dr. Snakes Gorbachev <cite>Mandasnake posted [p:883438552] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>I think that is is analogous to the statement you made. Also, the amount of people who believe something doesn't make it true / valid. There are MRAs who want to talk about legit issues, and their are feminists who want to talk about legit issues. I think both can coexist and work to mutual benefit if both sides are actually willing to do so. There will be people who don't support either/both, but that is irrelevant. </quote> hahahaha, neither the majority of MRAs or feminists want to talk about legitimate issues. This is a case of horseshoe theory. The majority of feminists and MRAs are just psychotic people who hate the other sex.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 07/23/17 9:07:24 AM #17:	Fam_Fam posted... maybe men should organize and fight against those things instead of bitching about it, you know...like feminists do for women's issue. But I thought Feminism was about equality for both the genders Why aren't they fighting for men's rights? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:883438614] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>maybe men should organize and fight against those things instead of bitching about it, you know...like feminists do for women's issue.</quote> But I thought Feminism was about equality for both the genders Why aren't they fighting for men's rights?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 07/23/17 9:07:31 AM #18:	Mandasnake posted... Fam_Fam posted... I think that is is analogous to the statement you made. Also, the amount of people who believe something doesn't make it true / valid. There are MRAs who want to talk about legit issues, and their are feminists who want to talk about legit issues. I think both can coexist and work to mutual benefit if both sides are actually willing to do so. There will be people who don't support either/both, but that is irrelevant. hahahaha, neither the majority of MRAs or feminists want to talk about legitimate issues. This is a case of horseshoe theory. The majority of feminists and MRAs are just psychotic people who hate the other sex. This is quite possible. Which is why I'm saying those who actually want to do something about it, should. My feeling is most people won't do shit. If you want to complain about things not being fair, i think you should be aware there ARE things you could do, if you actually think there are things that need to be fixed. and you can do so without undermining others' efforts. On the other hand, if you just want to do the latter, than you don't actually want to improve things, and I think you are just getting in the way of progress for everyone. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:883438617] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mandasnake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>I think that is is analogous to the statement you made. Also, the amount of people who believe something doesn't make it true / valid. There are MRAs who want to talk about legit issues, and their are feminists who want to talk about legit issues. I think both can coexist and work to mutual benefit if both sides are actually willing to do so. There will be people who don't support either/both, but that is irrelevant. </quote> hahahaha, neither the majority of MRAs or feminists want to talk about legitimate issues. This is a case of horseshoe theory. The majority of feminists and MRAs are just psychotic people who hate the other sex.</quote> This is quite possible. Which is why I'm saying those who actually want to do something about it, should. My feeling is most people won't do shit. If you want to complain about things not being fair, i think you should be aware there ARE things you could do, if you actually think there are things that need to be fixed. and you can do so without undermining others' efforts. On the other hand, if you just want to do the latter, than you don't actually want to improve things, and I think you are just getting in the way of progress for everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 07/23/17 9:09:34 AM #19:	Mal_Fet posted... Fam_Fam posted... maybe men should organize and fight against those things instead of bitching about it, you know...like feminists do for women's issue. But I thought Feminism was about equality for both the genders Why aren't they fighting for men's rights? Some do, and argue that what they are fighting for also help men. as you can see in this topic, when they make these claims, they get ridiculed. Also, one does not need to focus on / fight for all issues to care about them. Similar to the breast cancer awareness thing, etc. I think when feminists say its for all men, they are insulted. and if they don't talk about men's issues, then they don't actually want fairness, or hate men. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:883438680] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>maybe men should organize and fight against those things instead of bitching about it, you know...like feminists do for women's issue.</quote> But I thought Feminism was about equality for both the genders Why aren't they fighting for men's rights?</quote> Some do, and argue that what they are fighting for also help men. as you can see in this topic, when they make these claims, they get ridiculed. Also, one does not need to focus on / fight for all issues to care about them. Similar to the breast cancer awareness thing, etc. I think when feminists say its for all men, they are insulted. and if they don't talk about men's issues, then they don't actually want fairness, or hate men.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 07/23/17 9:16:15 AM #20:	Lorenzo_2003 posted... Did you forget all about Hermione's He for She campaign? Oh yeah because that was definitely well-received from all parts of the feminist spectrum. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:883438876] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted...</cite> <quote>Did you forget all about Hermione's He for She campaign?</quote> Oh yeah because that was definitely well-received from all parts of the feminist spectrum.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 07/23/17 9:19:46 AM #21:	shockthemonkey posted... See you're already upset and turning it into "waaaa feminists." Relax bud. You can talk about men's issues without ranting about how evil feminists are. Did you not read TC's post? You're not allowed to bring up men's issues or else you're "bitching." Look at you, getting defensive and putting words in my mouth because I pointed out that feminists want men to get involved in female feminist issues, even though TC suggests we go off somewhere and work on our own issues. I thought feminism was for both men and women? And when has it ever been Ok to really talk about men's issues openly like child custody, male suicide, male incarceration, declining college participation, and so on without someone immediately hurling the neckbeard, virgin, misogynist labels around? Sure, MRA's went overboard and alienated a lot of listeners, but why do MGTOW's, for example, get hated on, too? Why do we all have to fall in line and think the same, regarding feminism, or else we will get attacked? You can support equal rights for all, but you'll get hated if you don't agree to publicly announce yourself as a feminist. Laci Green, of all people, says she will be more open minded to men's issues, then her feminist colleagues and their supporters go ballistic. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:883438991] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote> See you're already upset and turning it into "waaaa feminists." Relax bud. You can talk about men's issues without ranting about how evil feminists are.</quote> Did you not read TC's post? You're not allowed to bring up men's issues or else you're "bitching." Look at you, getting defensive and putting words in my mouth because I pointed out that feminists want men to get involved in female feminist issues, even though TC suggests we go off somewhere and work on our own issues. I thought feminism was for both men and women? And when has it ever been Ok to really talk about men's issues openly like child custody, male suicide, male incarceration, declining college participation, and so on without someone immediately hurling the neckbeard, virgin, misogynist labels around? Sure, MRA's went overboard and alienated a lot of listeners, but why do MGTOW's, for example, get hated on, too? Why do we all have to fall in line and think the same, regarding feminism, or else we will get attacked? You can support equal rights for all, but you'll get hated if you don't agree to publicly announce yourself as a feminist. Laci Green, of all people, says she will be more open minded to men's issues, then her feminist colleagues and their supporters go ballistic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiesMortis 07/23/17 9:22:49 AM #22:	Jesus fuck the amount of fedoralord cucks itt --- Maledicte \| http://www.last.fm/user/chaosinferno "So sleep, sister sleep, and dream, me broken at your feet." <cite>DiesMortis posted [p:883439075] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote>Jesus fuck the amount of fedoralord cucks itt</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 07/23/17 9:25:29 AM #23:	DiesMortis posted... Jesus fuck the amount of fedoralord cucks itt Case in point. Now this thread is complete. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:883439139] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>DiesMortis posted...</cite> <quote>Jesus fuck the amount of fedoralord cucks itt</quote> Case in point. Now this thread is complete.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mandasnake 07/23/17 9:26:44 AM #24:	Lorenzo_2003 posted... DiesMortis posted... Jesus fuck the amount of fedoralord cucks itt Case in point. Now this thread is complete. In every feminist thread, there will always be multiple feminists who will prove the point of every anti-feminist, while telling you the psychotic feminist is just a strawman(straw-feminist) while doing their best to insult you and put you down. Shockthemonkey because a feminist white knight is irredeemably stupid once you know a few details about his life. --- Paging...Dr. Snakes Gorbachev <cite>Mandasnake posted [p:883439172] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DiesMortis posted...</cite> <quote>Jesus fuck the amount of fedoralord cucks itt</quote> Case in point. Now this thread is complete.</quote> In every feminist thread, there will always be multiple feminists who will prove the point of every anti-feminist, while telling you the psychotic feminist is just a strawman(straw-feminist) while doing their best to insult you and put you down. Shockthemonkey because a feminist white knight is irredeemably stupid once you know a few details about his life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MakoReizei 07/23/17 9:28:12 AM #25:	shockthemonkey posted... Lorenzo_2003 posted... Fam_Fam posted... maybe men should organize and fight against those things instead of bitching about it, you know...like feminists do for women's issue. people complain about stereotypes about men not being able to have support networks to deal with their issues...if they genuinely want to deal with things that they think are unfair to them, they can organize with each other to put those issues out there. i think men can learn from feminists in that regard. perhaps women would be willing to listen to those issues if men were willing to listen to the legitimate issues that feminists bring up (note i mean feminists who want rights and fair treatment, not "man hating feminists" that people like to talk about all the time) Riiight, except that female feminists are fond of explaining to men that men need feminism, that feminism will improve their lives and society in general, and they call upon men to join them as allies. Did you forget all about Hermione's He for She campaign? See you're already upset and turning it into "waaaa feminists." Relax bud. You can talk about men's issues without ranting about how evil feminists are. why can't feminists talk about women's issues without ranting about how evil men are? --- http://i.imgur.com/K9jfKpU.png <cite>MakoReizei posted [p:883439221] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>maybe men should organize and fight against those things instead of bitching about it, you know...like feminists do for women's issue. people complain about stereotypes about men not being able to have support networks to deal with their issues...if they genuinely want to deal with things that they think are unfair to them, they can organize with each other to put those issues out there. i think men can learn from feminists in that regard. perhaps women would be willing to listen to those issues if men were willing to listen to the legitimate issues that feminists bring up (note i mean feminists who want rights and fair treatment, not "man hating feminists" that people like to talk about all the time)</quote> Riiight, except that female feminists are fond of explaining to men that men need feminism, that feminism will improve their lives and society in general, and they call upon men to join them as allies. Did you forget all about Hermione's He for She campaign?</quote> See you're already upset and turning it into "waaaa feminists." Relax bud. You can talk about men's issues without ranting about how evil feminists are.</quote> why can't feminists talk about women's issues without ranting about how evil men are?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 07/23/17 9:30:09 AM #26:	MakoReizei posted... why can't feminists talk about women's issues without ranting about how evil men are? Well there's the whole idea of patriarchy being very central in feminism... --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:883439274] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>why can't feminists talk about women's issues without ranting about how evil men are?</quote> Well there's the whole idea of patriarchy being very central in feminism...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Near_ 07/23/17 9:31:00 AM #27:	If MRAs had half a fucking brain cell, they would realize that the patriarchy is the cause of their problems, not feminism. --- http://i.imgur.com/QoIYepz.gif Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you. <cite>_Near_ posted [p:883439300] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote>If MRAs had half a fucking brain cell, they would realize that the patriarchy is the cause of their problems, not feminism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mandasnake 07/23/17 9:32:24 AM #28:	scar the 1 posted... MakoReizei posted... why can't feminists talk about women's issues without ranting about how evil men are? Well there's the whole idea of patriarchy being very central in feminism... Hence why its an inherently flawed movement. Imo. You can get 1000 feminists, ask them what the patriarchy is, and you will get 1000 different answers. Its a movement without a real direction. An unfalsifiable theory. --- Paging...Dr. Snakes Gorbachev <cite>Mandasnake posted [p:883439346] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>why can't feminists talk about women's issues without ranting about how evil men are?</quote> Well there's the whole idea of patriarchy being very central in feminism...</quote> Hence why its an inherently flawed movement. Imo. You can get 1000 feminists, ask them what the patriarchy is, and you will get 1000 different answers. Its a movement without a real direction. An unfalsifiable theory.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiesMortis 07/23/17 9:32:40 AM #29:	_Near_ posted... If MRAs had half a fucking brain cell, they would realize that the patriarchy is the cause of their problems, not feminism. They're too busy pretending libertarianism is sane and that the "white genocide" is real. --- Maledicte \| http://www.last.fm/user/chaosinferno "So sleep, sister sleep, and dream, me broken at your feet." <cite>DiesMortis posted [p:883439353] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Near_ posted...</cite> <quote>If MRAs had half a fucking brain cell, they would realize that the patriarchy is the cause of their problems, not feminism.</quote> They're too busy pretending libertarianism is sane and that the "white genocide" is real.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mandasnake 07/23/17 9:35:18 AM #32:	DiesMortis posted... They're too busy pretending libertarianism is sane and that the "white genocide" is real. You two can't even give a concise definition of the patriarchy, or explain why we are living in one. You expect us to fear a concept that no one can accurately define. --- Paging...Dr. Snakes Gorbachev <cite>Mandasnake posted [p:883439440] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>DiesMortis posted...</cite> <quote>They're too busy pretending libertarianism is sane and that the "white genocide" is real. </quote> You two can't even give a concise definition of the patriarchy, or explain why we are living in one. You expect us to fear a concept that no one can accurately define.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Near_ 07/23/17 9:37:13 AM #33:	Mandasnake posted... You two can't even give a concise definition of the patriarchy, or explain why we are living in one. "Feminist theory defines patriarchy as an unjust social system that enforces gender roles and is oppressive to both men and women. It often includes any social, political, or economic mechanism that evokes male dominance over women. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchy#Feminist_theory took 2 seconds --- http://i.imgur.com/QoIYepz.gif Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you. <cite>_Near_ posted [p:883439501] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mandasnake posted...</cite> <quote> You two can't even give a concise definition of the patriarchy, or explain why we are living in one.</quote> "Feminist theory defines patriarchy as an unjust social system that enforces gender roles and is oppressive to both men and women. It often includes any social, political, or economic mechanism that evokes male dominance over women. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchy#Feminist_theory took 2 seconds</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mandasnake 07/23/17 9:39:16 AM #34:	_Near_ posted... "Feminist theory defines patriarchy as an unjust social system that enforces gender roles and is oppressive to both men and women. It often includes any social, political, or economic mechanism that evokes male dominance over women. " oh wow. a vague as shit definition. Come on now, be honest. Explain how we are living in a patriarchy. In your own words and not using wiki. Don't cheat. --- Paging...Dr. Snakes Gorbachev <cite>Mandasnake posted [p:883439558] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Near_ posted...</cite> <quote> "Feminist theory defines patriarchy as an unjust social system that enforces gender roles and is oppressive to both men and women. It often includes any social, political, or economic mechanism that evokes male dominance over women. " </quote> oh wow. a vague as shit definition. Come on now, be honest. Explain how we are living in a patriarchy. In your own words and not using wiki. Don't cheat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fam_Fam 07/23/17 9:42:21 AM #36:	Mandasnake posted... _Near_ posted... "Feminist theory defines patriarchy as an unjust social system that enforces gender roles and is oppressive to both men and women. It often includes any social, political, or economic mechanism that evokes male dominance over women. " oh wow. a vague as shit definition. Come on now, be honest. Explain how we are living in a patriarchy. In your own words and not using wiki. Don't cheat. you can't define it concisely gives concise definition well explain it in more words <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:883439655] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mandasnake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Near_ posted...</cite> <quote> "Feminist theory defines patriarchy as an unjust social system that enforces gender roles and is oppressive to both men and women. It often includes any social, political, or economic mechanism that evokes male dominance over women. " </quote> oh wow. a vague as shit definition. Come on now, be honest. Explain how we are living in a patriarchy. In your own words and not using wiki. Don't cheat.</quote> you can't define it concisely gives concise definition well explain it in more words</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiesMortis 07/23/17 9:42:29 AM #37:	shockthemonkey posted... Mandasnake posted... _Near_ posted... "Feminist theory defines patriarchy as an unjust social system that enforces gender roles and is oppressive to both men and women. It often includes any social, political, or economic mechanism that evokes male dominance over women. " oh wow. a vague as shit definition. Come on now, be honest. Explain how we are living in a patriarchy. In your own words and not using wiki. Don't cheat. You don't see how we're living in a world that was shaped by men being more powerful than women or how gender stereotypes can be oppressive and hard to fight back against? He's been moving the goalposts and it's easy for him to profess ignorance. --- Maledicte \| http://www.last.fm/user/chaosinferno "So sleep, sister sleep, and dream, me broken at your feet." <cite>DiesMortis posted [p:883439658] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mandasnake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Near_ posted...</cite> <quote> "Feminist theory defines patriarchy as an unjust social system that enforces gender roles and is oppressive to both men and women. It often includes any social, political, or economic mechanism that evokes male dominance over women. " </quote> oh wow. a vague as shit definition. Come on now, be honest. Explain how we are living in a patriarchy. In your own words and not using wiki. Don't cheat.</quote> You don't see how we're living in a world that was shaped by men being more powerful than women or how gender stereotypes can be oppressive and hard to fight back against?</quote> He's been moving the goalposts and it's easy for him to profess ignorance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mandasnake 07/23/17 9:44:41 AM #38:	Fam_Fam posted... you can't define it concisely gives concise definition well explain it in more words No, that's not concise, because there will be feminists that will disagree with that wiki article. There are feminists, that you will find that don't think the patriarchy is oppressive to men. --- Paging...Dr. Snakes Gorbachev <cite>Mandasnake posted [p:883439723] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote> you can't define it concisely gives concise definition well explain it in more words</quote> No, that's not concise, because there will be feminists that will disagree with that wiki article. There are feminists, that you will find that don't think the patriarchy is oppressive to men.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeno14 07/23/17 9:45:49 AM #39:	Mandasnake posted... _Near_ posted... "Feminist theory defines patriarchy as an unjust social system that enforces gender roles and is oppressive to both men and women. It often includes any social, political, or economic mechanism that evokes male dominance over women. " oh wow. a vague as shit definition. Come on now, be honest. Explain how we are living in a patriarchy. In your own words and not using wiki. Don't cheat. don't forget the whole feminist theory that was used to create the most popular model for the handling of domestic violence. You know the one that reinforces the gender roles but it will work this time right? --- http://i.imgur.com/brMr5Ig.jpg http://i.imgur.com/MoXxySu.gif https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyGM7qMXgAAwhbT.jpg:large <cite>Xeno14 posted [p:883439759] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mandasnake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Near_ posted...</cite> <quote> "Feminist theory defines patriarchy as an unjust social system that enforces gender roles and is oppressive to both men and women. It often includes any social, political, or economic mechanism that evokes male dominance over women. " </quote> oh wow. a vague as shit definition. Come on now, be honest. Explain how we are living in a patriarchy. In your own words and not using wiki. Don't cheat.</quote> don't forget the whole feminist theory that was used to create the most popular model for the handling of domestic violence. You know the one that reinforces the gender roles but it will work this time right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fam_Fam 07/23/17 9:45:59 AM #41:	Mandasnake posted... Fam_Fam posted... you can't define it concisely gives concise definition well explain it in more words No, that's not concise, because there will be feminists that will disagree with that wiki article. There are feminists, that you will find that don't think the patriarchy is oppressive to men. so are you suggesting that everyone should believe exactly the same thing? <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:883439764] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mandasnake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote> you can't define it concisely gives concise definition well explain it in more words</quote> No, that's not concise, because there will be feminists that will disagree with that wiki article. There are feminists, that you will find that don't think the patriarchy is oppressive to men.</quote> so are you suggesting that everyone should believe exactly the same thing?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mandasnake 07/23/17 9:47:22 AM #42:	Fam_Fam posted... so are you suggesting that everyone should believe exactly the same thing? No, I am saying that the movement as a whole is too unorganized, too aimless, and too leaderless to produce anything worthwhile. Or can anyone tell me the results of the past half decade of internet feminism? What has it achieved so far? --- Paging...Dr. Snakes Gorbachev <cite>Mandasnake posted [p:883439815] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote> so are you suggesting that everyone should believe exactly the same thing? </quote> No, I am saying that the movement as a whole is too unorganized, too aimless, and too leaderless to produce anything worthwhile. Or can anyone tell me the results of the past half decade of internet feminism? What has it achieved so far?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Near_ 07/23/17 9:47:50 AM #43:	No, he's suggesting that he's a 3rd tier troll that ran out of stupid crap to say in the first page of the topic. --- http://i.imgur.com/QoIYepz.gif Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you. <cite>_Near_ posted [p:883439830] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote>No, he's suggesting that he's a 3rd tier troll that ran out of stupid crap to say in the first page of the topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 07/23/17 9:48:16 AM #44:	Mandasnake posted... Fam_Fam posted... so are you suggesting that everyone should believe exactly the same thing? No, I am saying that the movement as a whole is too unorganized, too aimless, and too leaderless to produce anything worthwhile. Or can anyone tell me the results of the past half decade of internet feminism? What has it achieved so far? lots of awareness of issues in pay inequality, sexism in society, cat calling. the women's marches with hundreds of thousands of people <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:883439850] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mandasnake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote> so are you suggesting that everyone should believe exactly the same thing? </quote> No, I am saying that the movement as a whole is too unorganized, too aimless, and too leaderless to produce anything worthwhile. Or can anyone tell me the results of the past half decade of internet feminism? What has it achieved so far?</quote> lots of awareness of issues in pay inequality, sexism in society, cat calling. the women's marches with hundreds of thousands of people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mandasnake 07/23/17 9:50:35 AM #45:	Fam_Fam posted... pay inequality you mean like the 77 pay gap argument nobody takes seriously anymore? crying wolf etc. Fam_Fam posted... sexism in society vague definitions and statements. do better next time. Fam_Fam posted... cat calling fair point. but its hardly proof that women have lesser rights, and men get cat called too.. Fam_Fam posted... he women's marches with hundreds of thousands of people the ones where they all embarrassed themselves but don't have the self-awareness to realize nobody took them seriously. --- Paging...Dr. Snakes Gorbachev <cite>Mandasnake posted [p:883439920] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>pay inequality</quote> you mean like the 77 pay gap argument nobody takes seriously anymore? crying wolf etc. <cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>sexism in society</quote> vague definitions and statements. do better next time. <cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>cat calling</quote> fair point. but its hardly proof that women have lesser rights, and men get cat called too.. <cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>he women's marches with hundreds of thousands of people</quote> the ones where they all embarrassed themselves but don't have the self-awareness to realize nobody took them seriously.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mandasnake 07/23/17 9:51:43 AM #47:	shockthemonkey posted... Feminists are still constantly battling for reproductive rights and access to healthcare. But this is a bad troll who is doing everything to shift this conversation to "waaaaa feminists" rather than actually trying to advocate for men. The exact thing tc pointed out was useless and annoying. idgaf about MRA shit. Honestly, knowing your life, you should be the biggest MRA here lol. --- Paging...Dr. Snakes Gorbachev <cite>Mandasnake posted [p:883439955] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Feminists are still constantly battling for reproductive rights and access to healthcare. But this is a bad troll who is doing everything to shift this conversation to "waaaaa feminists" rather than actually trying to advocate for men. The exact thing tc pointed out was useless and annoying. </quote> idgaf about MRA shit. Honestly, knowing your life, you should be the biggest MRA here lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 07/23/17 9:51:45 AM #48:	shockthemonkey posted... Feminists are still constantly battling for reproductive rights and access to healthcare. But this is a bad troll who is doing everything to shift this conversation to "waaaaa feminists" rather than actually trying to advocate for men. The exact thing tc pointed out was useless and annoying. yep, exactly <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:883439956] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Feminists are still constantly battling for reproductive rights and access to healthcare. But this is a bad troll who is doing everything to shift this conversation to "waaaaa feminists" rather than actually trying to advocate for men. The exact thing tc pointed out was useless and annoying.</quote> yep, exactly</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mandasnake 07/23/17 10:02:15 AM #49:	Fam_Fam posted... shockthemonkey posted... Feminists are still constantly battling for reproductive rights and access to healthcare. But this is a bad troll who is doing everything to shift this conversation to "waaaaa feminists" rather than actually trying to advocate for men. The exact thing tc pointed out was useless and annoying. yep, exactly there it is, you just end the conversation with "ur a troll/misogynist/loser" etc. nah, nobody likes feminism for a reason. And likely feminism will end up losing because nobody cares about your regressive bullshit. its ok, say what you want, the republicans will control the country for the next two decades, idgaf anymore, and I hate trump. --- Paging...Dr. Snakes Gorbachev <cite>Mandasnake posted [p:883440278] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Feminists are still constantly battling for reproductive rights and access to healthcare. But this is a bad troll who is doing everything to shift this conversation to "waaaaa feminists" rather than actually trying to advocate for men. The exact thing tc pointed out was useless and annoying.</quote> yep, exactly</quote> there it is, you just end the conversation with "ur a troll/misogynist/loser" etc. nah, nobody likes feminism for a reason. And likely feminism will end up losing because nobody cares about your regressive bullshit. its ok, say what you want, the republicans will control the country for the next two decades, idgaf anymore, and I hate trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DiesMortis 07/23/17 10:06:16 AM #51:	shockthemonkey posted... We get it, you're cranky and don't actually have a point. Can you go away and let real people talk? but regressive left reeeeeeeeeee --- Maledicte \| http://www.last.fm/user/chaosinferno "So sleep, sister sleep, and dream, me broken at your feet." <cite>DiesMortis posted [p:883440394] in you know h... [t:75595772]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>We get it, you're cranky and don't actually have a point. Can you go away and let real people talk?</quote> but regressive left reeeeeeeeeee</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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