Current Events > C/D: Liberals = Equality, Conservatives = Freedom

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EffectAndCause
07/22/17 4:39:56 PM
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But both presented in the shittiest way possible by the shittiest people possible.
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UnholyMudcrab
07/22/17 4:41:24 PM
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frozenshock
07/22/17 4:42:50 PM
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Maybe 20 years ago

Now it's just about screwing over the other side
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Nomadic View
07/22/17 4:44:15 PM
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Liberals, should someone be criminalized for hate speech?
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ThePrinceFish
07/22/17 4:46:00 PM
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Conservatives are for equality of opportunity and Liberals are for equality of outcome. The latter being a fairy tale.
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MorbidFaithless
07/22/17 4:46:34 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
Equality is Freedom tho

This. You can't truly have one without the other.
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Notti
07/22/17 4:49:34 PM
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Liberals: security (social safety nets) + equality, after that, freedom.

Conservatives: Tradition + Religion, after that, freedom.

Libertarians: Freedom. (as lawless as possible, sounds good on the surface, but is it really. The jungle isn't a nice place. You're free. Free to die.)
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Nomadic View
07/22/17 4:52:04 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Conservatives are for equality of opportunity and Liberals are for equality of outcome. The latter being a fairy tale.

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Garioshi
07/22/17 5:20:45 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Conservatives are for equality of opportunity and Liberals are for equality of outcome. The latter being a fairy tale.

Conservatives are for opportunity being unchanged from what you started out with.
Liberals are for equality of opportunity.
Only some very specific types of Communists are for equality of outcome.
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Transcendentia
07/22/17 5:21:28 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Conservatives are for equality of opportunity and Liberals are for equality of outcome. The latter being a fairy tale.


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_Near_
07/22/17 5:22:47 PM
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If conservatives knew the first thing about equality of opportunity, they wouldn't have a fucking aneurysm every time they heard the word "privilege".
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Notti
07/22/17 5:29:37 PM
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Conservatives aren't for equal opportunity in my perspective. Let's make an analogy to entering a building. (forgive me if you hate it)

Liberals are like: "Every building must have safe ramps, safe railing, and no discrimination on who can enter."

Conservatives are like: "If the building owner wants the above, he can, but if he doesn't, you've got the opportunity to TRY to get into the building, tough luck if the only entry is a wall + rope and you're crippled and he hates your race so you won't get anything anyway even if you do climb the rope wall"

(the equal opportunity of) Free to try the rope wall if you're crippled, in only 1 limited sense is "equal opportunity". (you got an equal opportunity to climb that rope wall, wheelchair boy! lol)

So I don't buy that "Conservatives are for equality of opportunity and Liberals are for equality of outcome."


I see it kind of the opposite way. Liberals want equal opportunity. And conservatives want unequal outcomes. (maximum profit for themselves/family, at the cost of everyone else, who cares! about pollution/discrimination. Thats a YOU problem. I got mine)

Garioshi posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Conservatives are for equality of opportunity and Liberals are for equality of outcome. The latter being a fairy tale.

Conservatives are for opportunity being unchanged from what you started out with.
Liberals are for equality of opportunity.
Only some very specific types of Communists are for equality of outcome.


Exactly.
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Anteaterking
07/22/17 5:33:21 PM
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SageHarpuia
07/22/17 5:34:47 PM
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Conservatives = equal opportunity
Liberals = equally poor
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Paper_Okami
07/22/17 5:37:08 PM
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Both are jokes, but the GOP is genuinely evil.
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tennisdude818
07/22/17 5:39:00 PM
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Leftists are into freedom to do what they want to do, but they are more than willing to use the state to slience and steal.

A perfect example would the the "my body, your wallet" feminists who want subsidized abortions and birth control. You completely lose any sort of pro liberty moral high ground when you want the government to force me to pay for your shit. "I do what I want with my body, and fuck your property rights!" These people just want to use government force to make their lives easier, and they tag on the progressive rhetoric of the day to mask the violence.
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gguirao
07/22/17 5:40:27 PM
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D.

UnholyMudcrab posted...
Liberals=Freedom
Conservatives=Tradition

This.
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Iodine
07/22/17 5:41:41 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
who want subsidized abortions and birth control.

Why is this a bad thing?
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FaultyGourry
07/22/17 5:42:24 PM
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Conservatives: I have my shit so fuck other people.
Liberals: Fuck other people. I deserve their shit.
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tennisdude818
07/22/17 5:47:42 PM
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FaultyGourry posted...
Conservatives: I have my shit so fuck other people.


I think your confusing welfare with charity, and a willingness to vote for higher taxes with a willingness to help people.
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Sayoria
07/22/17 5:48:08 PM
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This is why I am moderate. Liberals and conservatives suck.
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TheMikh
07/22/17 5:48:45 PM
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_Near_ posted...
If conservatives knew the first thing about equality of opportunity, they wouldn't have a fucking aneurysm every time they heard the word "privilege".


Maybe because it's become a hollow buzzword that's thrown around when liberals don't have an objective argument to make.
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Paper_Okami
07/22/17 5:48:47 PM
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Sayoria posted...
This is why I am moderate. Liberals and conservatives suck.


This is why I'm left,

liberals, conservatives, and centrists suck.
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Anteaterking
07/22/17 5:49:02 PM
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Sayoria posted...
This is why I am moderate. Liberals and conservatives suck.


The important thing is that you've found a way to feel superior to both.
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_Near_
07/22/17 5:50:16 PM
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TheMikh posted...
_Near_ posted...
If conservatives knew the first thing about equality of opportunity, they wouldn't have a fucking aneurysm every time they heard the word "privilege".


Maybe because it's become a hollow buzzword that's thrown around when liberals don't have an objective argument to make.


Or because conservatives don't want to face the inequalities of the U.S. economy because they're the ones that would be losing out if they did.
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Sayoria
07/22/17 5:51:03 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
Sayoria posted...
This is why I am moderate. Liberals and conservatives suck.


The important thing is that you've found a way to feel superior to both.


Well yeah, I get to pick and choose what I think is good and bad rather than "Oh, Scott Pruitt wants to destroy the environment.... well, might as well vote for him and trust him since he is a Republican!" .... Shit like that gets my goat.
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luigi13579
07/22/17 5:54:54 PM
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Sayoria posted...
Well yeah, I get to pick and choose what I think is good and bad rather than "Oh, Scott Pruitt wants to destroy the environment.... well, might as well vote for him and trust him since he is a Republican!" .... Shit like that gets my goat.

"Only cowards refuse to pick sides! All that fence sitting will give you a sore ass!" /s
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TheMikh
07/22/17 5:55:12 PM
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Sayoria posted...
This is why I am moderate. Liberals and conservatives suck.


Paper_Okami posted...
Sayoria posted...
This is why I am moderate. Liberals and conservatives suck.


This is why I'm left,

liberals, conservatives, and centrists suck.


Moderates and Centrists aren't quite the same.

Moderates look for a "middle ground" on all issues. If one person says "1+1=2" and another person says "1+1=3", they'll settle for "1+1=2.5"

Centrists look for the most practical/useful points regardless of whether they're "left" or "right." Hence you end up with the likes of Classical Liberalism, the American School, or perhaps an assortment of Third-Positionist ideologies.
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averagejoel
07/22/17 5:55:23 PM
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Garioshi posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Conservatives are for equality of opportunity and Liberals are for equality of outcome. The latter being a fairy tale.

Conservatives are for opportunity being unchanged from what you started out with.
Liberals are for equality of opportunity.
Only some very specific types of Communists are for equality of outcome.

Paper_Okami posted...
Sayoria posted...
This is why I am moderate. Liberals and conservatives suck.


This is why I'm left,

liberals, conservatives, and centrists suck.

e63XAzB
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Paper_Okami
07/22/17 6:00:38 PM
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averagejoel posted...
Garioshi posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Conservatives are for equality of opportunity and Liberals are for equality of outcome. The latter being a fairy tale.

Conservatives are for opportunity being unchanged from what you started out with.
Liberals are for equality of opportunity.
Only some very specific types of Communists are for equality of outcome.

Paper_Okami posted...
Sayoria posted...
This is why I am moderate. Liberals and conservatives suck.


This is why I'm left,

liberals, conservatives, and centrists suck.

e63XAzB


Always a classic.
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Anteaterking
07/22/17 6:08:44 PM
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Sayoria posted...
Anteaterking posted...
Sayoria posted...
This is why I am moderate. Liberals and conservatives suck.


The important thing is that you've found a way to feel superior to both.


Well yeah, I get to pick and choose what I think is good and bad rather than "Oh, Scott Pruitt wants to destroy the environment.... well, might as well vote for him and trust him since he is a Republican!" .... Shit like that gets my goat.


There are plenty of Republicans who hold some "Democratic" views and vice versa. Most people who vote for a candidate vote for them because they actually do agree with a lot of the positions those people hold.

Honestly, I've only really seen you espouse conservative views. You're just a 21st century conservative who doesn't like the label because of the religious associations.
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TheMikh
07/22/17 6:10:47 PM
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_Near_ posted...
Or because conservatives don't want to face the inequalities of the U.S. economy because they're the ones that would be losing out if they did.


Perhaps it's because they're willing to acknowledge that certain forms of inequality are an inevitability (see: Pareto), and yet, that government interference in social or economic matters can and does amplify inequalities and artificially create new ones.
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UncleBourbon33
07/22/17 6:11:28 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
Equality is Freedom tho

Not really.
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UncleBourbon33
07/22/17 6:13:41 PM
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Garioshi posted...
Liberals are for equality of opportunity.

Only if you mean classical liberals. Not the the kind people mean when they usually say liberals.
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Vertania
07/22/17 6:17:57 PM
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FaultyGourry posted...
Conservatives: I have my shit so fuck other people.
Liberals: Fuck other people. I deserve their shit.

best post of the topic imo
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Gojak_v3
07/22/17 6:24:28 PM
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lmao @ anyone thinking modern liberals are about freedom in any way. They literally passed a law saying you have to have health insurance or else. They are about control. Do as we say.
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Notti
07/24/17 6:44:42 AM
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TheMikh posted...
Sayoria posted...
This is why I am moderate. Liberals and conservatives suck.


Paper_Okami posted...
Sayoria posted...
This is why I am moderate. Liberals and conservatives suck.


This is why I'm left,

liberals, conservatives, and centrists suck.


Moderates and Centrists aren't quite the same.

Moderates look for a "middle ground" on all issues. If one person says "1+1=2" and another person says "1+1=3", they'll settle for "1+1=2.5"

Centrists look for the most practical/useful points regardless of whether they're "left" or "right." Hence you end up with the likes of Classical Liberalism, the American School, or perhaps an assortment of Third-Positionist ideologies.


I like it.
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