Current Events > Mueller asks white house aides to preserve all documents from June 2016 meeting

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/politics/robert-mueller-russia-investigation-trump-tower-meeting/index.html

Special counsel Robert Mueller has asked the White House to preserve all documents relating to the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort had with a Russian lawyer and others, according to a source who has seen the letter.

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Hopefully they don't "mysteriously" disappear.
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Were_Wyrm posted...

Hopefully they don't "mysteriously" disappear.

If there had been anything incriminating about them in the first place, they would have disappeared a long time ago. That Trump Jr and company never deleted that email is just more proof of innocence.
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Ammonitida posted...

If there had been anything incriminating about them in the first place, they would have disappeared a long time ago. That Trump Jr and company never deleted that email is just more proof of innocence.

there are people who say this unironically
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The more I hear about the Trump Jr story the less it sounds like the smoking gun the left was hoping it is. It sounds like he went to a meeting hoping to gather some opposition research, not some you guys do this and you scratch my back I'll scratch yours type of thing.
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Gojak_v3 posted...

The more I hear about the Trump Jr story the less it sounds like the smoking gun the left was hoping it is. It sounds like he went to a meeting hoping to gather some opposition research, not some you guys do this and you scratch my back I'll scratch yours type of thing.

You're a bad person.
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Doom_Art posted...

Ammonitida posted...

If there had been anything incriminating about them in the first place, they would have disappeared a long time ago. That Trump Jr and company never deleted that email is just more proof of innocence.

there are people who say this unironically

Those people are joke posters and don't know what proof is.
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Makes sense if they want to look into the meeting.
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Gojak_v3 posted...

The more I hear about the Trump Jr story the less it sounds like the smoking gun the left was hoping it is. It sounds like he went to a meeting hoping to gather some opposition research, not some you guys do this and you scratch my back I'll scratch yours type of thing.

We already know it's no "smokinggun" because the "dirt" talked about in the email never showed up, not even on wikileaks. It's a nothingburger, and the fact that Comey's best friend Mueller is so concerned with it tells me that his team of Clinton cronies have no good leads to work with.
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Ammonitida posted...

Gojak_v3 posted...

The more I hear about the Trump Jr story the less it sounds like the smoking gun the left was hoping it is. It sounds like he went to a meeting hoping to gather some opposition research, not some you guys do this and you scratch my back I'll scratch yours type of thing.

We already know it's no "smokinggun" because the "dirt" talked about in the email never showed up, not even on wikileaks. It's a nothingburger, and the fact that Comey's best friend Mueller is so concerned with it tells me that his team of Clinton cronies have no good leads to work with.

You're comically missing the point. No one is saying there was any dirt. The problem is that Jr. tried to get some to begin with. What his intent in meeting with that lawyer was.

But I guess you can keep calling it nothing if that makes you feel better. :u You'll have to face reality eventually.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

You're comically missing the point. No one is saying there was any dirt. The problem is that Jr. tried to get some to begin with. What his intent in meeting with that lawyer was.

What would he get charged with for this? Is it campaign finance law related?
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SK8T3R215 posted...

OpheliaAdenade posted...

You're comically missing the point. No one is saying there was any dirt. The problem is that Jr. tried to get some to begin with. What his intent in meeting with that lawyer was.

What would he get charged with for this? Is it campaign finance law related?

He's not going to get charged for anything. :u If he HAD obtained the information that'd be another story. Right now all it does is make him look duplicitous and underhanded. Another thing to add to the pile of shady shit this administration has done.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

Ammonitida posted...

Gojak_v3 posted...

The more I hear about the Trump Jr story the less it sounds like the smoking gun the left was hoping it is. It sounds like he went to a meeting hoping to gather some opposition research, not some you guys do this and you scratch my back I'll scratch yours type of thing.

We already know it's no "smokinggun" because the "dirt" talked about in the email never showed up, not even on wikileaks. It's a nothingburger, and the fact that Comey's best friend Mueller is so concerned with it tells me that his team of Clinton cronies have no good leads to work with.

You're comically missing the point. No one is saying there was any dirt. The problem is that Jr. tried to get some to begin with. What his intent in meeting with that lawyer was.

But I guess you can keep calling it nothing if that makes you feel better. :u You'll have to face reality eventually.

I know the overall "point" the left has been making about this. Attempted "collusion", blah, blah, blah. It still is not proof of anything. A Russian offered opposition research in the form of official government documents, and didn't deliver. Instead she whined about a certain law. That's a nothingburger. Not even close to a "smoking gun", and that's apparently Mueller's best lead.
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Only people saying nothing came of the meeting are the people IN the meeting, they have every reason to lie and they've lied ten times already (adoptions, LOL). Liberals, don't be dupes, stop making stupid arguments that undermine your cause. Trump Kushner and Manafort are not to be trusted.
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Ammonitida posted...

I know the overall "point" the left has been making about this. Attempted "collusion", blah, blah, blah. It still is not proof of anything. A Russian offered opposition research in the form of official government documents, and didn't deliver. Instead she whined about a certain law. That's a nothingburger. Not even close to a "smoking gun", and that's apparently Mueller's best lead.

Like I said, keep calling it nothing if that is what makes you feel better. The rest of the world is paying attention while you choose to block it out.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

You're comically missing the point. No one is saying there was any dirt. The problem is that Jr. tried to get some to begin with. What his intent in meeting with that lawyer was.

Honestly it's the part I keep going back to

The one thing that I keep thinking about

“but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump.”

This

Jr's complete lack of surprise and reaction towards this particular point is incredibly telling
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Doom_Art posted...

OpheliaAdenade posted...

You're comically missing the point. No one is saying there was any dirt. The problem is that Jr. tried to get some to begin with. What his intent in meeting with that lawyer was.

Honestly it's the part I keep going back to

The one thing that I keep thinking about

“but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump.”

This

Jr's complete lack of surprise and reaction towards this particular point is incredibly telling

It wasn't exactly a big secret how Putin felt about Clinton even well before we found out about all the Russia stuff.
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Doom_Art posted...

Jr's complete lack of surprise and reaction towards this particular point is incredibly telling

DING DING DING
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

Ammonitida posted...

I know the overall "point" the left has been making about this. Attempted "collusion", blah, blah, blah. It still is not proof of anything. A Russian offered opposition research in the form of official government documents, and didn't deliver. Instead she whined about a certain law. That's a nothingburger. Not even close to a "smoking gun", and that's apparently Mueller's best lead.

Like I said, keep calling it nothing if that is what makes you feel better. The rest of the world is paying attention while you choose to block it out.

If anything, it's more proof of innocence since dossier conspiracy (the basis of the whole FBI investigation) had Trump and Putin in collusion for at least five years, and this meeting under false pretenses is not consistent with that.
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Dossier "conspiracy" lol
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He's not innocent just because his attempt at something illegal was fruitless, actual material did not have to be exchanged. The simple act of having contact and then attempting to collude with a foreign state is illegal.
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iPhone_7 posted...

He's not innocent just because his attempt at something illegal was fruitless, actual material did not have to be exchanged. The simple act of having contact and then attempting to collude with a foreign state is illegal.

It was never illegal to begin with.
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iPhone_7 posted...

He's not innocent just because his attempt at something illegal was fruitless, actual material did not have to be exchanged. The simple act of having contact and then attempting to collude with a foreign state is illegal.

Just wondering why isn't the Clinton campaign charged with anything for working with Ukraine to leak information on Manafort?

But what is illegal about getting dirt on your opposing candidate in an election? Just want to know what laws would be broken in these cases.
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Ammonitida posted...

It was never illegal to begin with.

Collusion (be it actual or attempted) with a foreign power is illegal, yes.
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Doom_Art posted...

Ammonitida posted...

It was never illegal to begin with.

Collusion (be it actual or attempted) with a foreign power is illegal, yes.

There no was attempted collusion here. Accepting evidence of a crime from a foreign power and handing it over to the FBI for investigation is not illegal.
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Ammonitida posted...

There no was attempted collusion here.

You saying it does not make it true, no matter how many times you repeat it.

Ammonitida posted...

Accepting evidence of a crime from a foreign power and handing it over to the FBI for investigation is not illegal.

wut
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Doom don't respond to known Trumpanzees, there's nothing to be gained
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Doom_Art posted...

Ammonitida posted...

There no was attempted collusion here.

You saying it does not make it true, no matter how many times you repeat it.

Ammonitida posted...

Accepting evidence of a crime from a foreign power and handing it over to the FBI for investigation is not illegal.

wut

I've read the law on the matter. No crime was committed at this meeting and you claiming otherwise will never make that true.

Like I said, accepting evidence of a crime from a foreign power and handing it over to the FBI for investigation is not illegal. Trump Jr was offered evidence that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with the Russians. It is the duty of any American to accept such evidence when offered and to hand it over to the appropriate authorities.
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iPhone_7 posted...

Doom don't respond to known Trumpanzees, there's nothing to be gained

That's true. They're lost causes most the time. :/ I used to have hope for one of them here, but he's went over the deep end now too. It is a real shame what Trump has done to these people.
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Ammonitida posted...

Like I said, accepting evidence of a crime from a foreign power and handing it over to the FBI for investigation is not illegal. Trump Jr was offered evidence that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with the Russians. It is the duty of any American to accept such evidence when offered and to hand it over to the appropriate authorities.

Didn't Trump and the rest of the right wing consider the FBI to be crooked and working for Clinton to get her off Scott free from all of her crimes? You're saying Jr. would have just handed over incrimination evidence to the FBI to investigate when they thought they were on Hillary's side?
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Doom don't respond to known Trumpanzees, there's nothing to be gained

That's true. They're lost causes most the time. :/ I used to have hope for one of them here, but he's went over the deep end now too. It is a real shame what Trump has done to these people.

That's real cute coming from people who believe that Trump hired prostitutes to piss in the bed that Obama previously slept in. From people who believe that accepting evidence of a crime from a foreign country is tantamount to "treason" or "collusion". LOL
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Doom don't respond to known Trumpanzees, there's nothing to be gained

That's true. They're lost causes most the time. :/ I used to have hope for one of them here, but he's went over the deep end now too. It is a real shame what Trump has done to these people.

https://www.facebook.com/ABCNews/videos/1485873474789423/

Yeah, it's a shame was Trump has done to these people. lol
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

Ammonitida posted...

Like I said, accepting evidence of a crime from a foreign power and handing it over to the FBI for investigation is not illegal. Trump Jr was offered evidence that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with the Russians. It is the duty of any American to accept such evidence when offered and to hand it over to the appropriate authorities.

Didn't Trump and the rest of the right wing consider the FBI to be crooked and working for Clinton to get her off Scott free from all of her crimes? You're saying Jr. would have just handed over incrimination evidence to the FBI to investigate when they thought they were on Hillary's side?

Of course. In a heartbeat.
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Gojak_v3 posted...

OpheliaAdenade posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Doom don't respond to known Trumpanzees, there's nothing to be gained

That's true. They're lost causes most the time. :/ I used to have hope for one of them here, but he's went over the deep end now too. It is a real shame what Trump has done to these people.

https://www.facebook.com/ABCNews/videos/1485873474789423/

Yeah, it's a shame was Trump has done to these people. lol

Doesn't have anything to do with what I said, but okay. :u
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Ammonitida posted...

That's real cute coming from people who believe that Trump hired prostitutes to piss in the bed that Obama previously slept in. From people who believe that accepting evidence of a crime from a foreign country is tantamount to "treason" or "collusion". LOL

I wouldn't put it past such an extremely petty piece of s*** like Trump to do such a thing. Try again Trumpanzee.
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shockthemonkey posted...

The best part is that Mueller is actually investigating so all of these "nu-uh doesn't matter" posters' opinions are meaningless.

Exactly. If it was a "nothingburger", they wouldn't still be investigating it. :u Textbook denial is what it is. They refuse to admit to any of Trump's faults even as they pile up around them.
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shockthemonkey posted...

The best part is that Mueller is actually investigating so all of these "nu-uh doesn't matter" posters' opinions are meaningless.

That's what I get out of these topics.

Particularly at the point of "i don't think this is real" or "well show ME proof then?"

like

A) You're some random nobody. Nobody in law enforcement has to justify the investigation to you
B) Law enforcement doesn't care what you think.
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SK8T3R215 posted...

But what is illegal about getting dirt on your opposing candidate in an election?

From a foreign government?

There are two laws here:

First, of the information was acquired illegal. Now working under the assumption (and that's a big one) that after changing his story five times that Trump Jr has settled on the truth (finally) and there was no information, the law still applies if there was reasonable reason to believe the information was illegally acquired.

It's like if you're caught buying a Ferrari by 200 dollars cash. You don't get to claim "I didn't know it was stolen."

Second, it's camapaign financing. Information is legally considered to have value (the value it would take to acquire said information). Opposition research ain't free.

Even without legal action, it's still two important steps:

1) Donald Trump Jr clearly lied multiple times to hide this meeting from the public.

2) The Russian government made a continued effort to help Trump. And the campaign knew that.
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The Deadpool posted...

SK8T3R215 posted...

But what is illegal about getting dirt on your opposing candidate in an election?

From a foreign government?

There are two laws here:

First, of the information was acquired illegal. Now working under the assumption (and that's a big one) that after changing his story five times that Trump Jr has settled on the truth (finally) and there was no information, the law still applies if there was reasonable reason to believe the information was illegally acquired.

It's like if you're caught buying a Ferrari by 200 dollars cash. You don't get to claim "I didn't know it was stolen."

Second, it's camapaign financing. Information is legally considered to have value (the value it would take to acquire said information). Opposition research ain't free.

Even without legal action, it's still two important steps:

1) Donald Trump Jr clearly lied multiple times to hide this meeting from the public.

2) The Russian government made a continued effort to help Trump. And the campaign knew that.

False.

1. There's no case law that says incriminating information is of "value". The law in question has been interpreted as only money or something equivalent, like gold. Not evidence of a crime which is what Trump Jr was offered when he agreed to the meeting. Nor is there any evidence that something of value like money was offered in exchange for this incriminating information on Hillary's dealings with the Russians, or that the Trump campaign funded any kind of opposition research with a foreign power.

2. Trump Jr did not lie even once. Nor did he ever change his story. He just omitted certain details, and I can't blame him considering how hysterical the left is. As soon as the details became known, crazy leftists in the media were accusing him of "treason" and other such nonsense. Further, there was little reason to believe that these official Government documents relating to illegal Russian activities by Hillary Clinton contained information illegally acquired by the Russian Government -- so there is no equivalent here to accepting stolen property or "reasonably believing" that you might be accepting stolen property.
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Ammonitida trilobite in full denial
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shockthemonkey posted...

Trump Jr did not lie even once. Nor did he ever change his story. He just omitted certain details

lmao

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shockthemonkey posted...

Trump Jr did not lie even once. Nor did he ever change his story. He just omitted certain details

lmao

oh my good lord LOL
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Ammonitida posted...

The law in question has been interpreted as only money or something equivalent, like gold.

A court ruling in the mid 90s found that polling data was campaign contribution. The argument is that the information has the value that it took to obtain said information.

Since polling data is something a campaign would normally pay for, then that information has value.

Opposition research is also something a campaign would normally pay for.

Ammonitida posted...

Trump Jr did not lie even once

Oh. You're one of those. Never mind...
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Ammonitida posted...

Were_Wyrm posted...

Hopefully they don't "mysteriously" disappear.

If there had been anything incriminating about them in the first place, they would have disappeared a long time ago. That Trump Jr and company never deleted that email is just more proof of innocence.

"Why did she wait until after the subpoena to delete emails?"

You, Gojak, Mal_Fet, Caution, JohnLennon, and others in October, 2016
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The Deadpool posted...

Ammonitida posted...

The law in question has been interpreted as only money or something equivalent, like gold.

A court ruling in the mid 90s found that polling data was campaign contribution. The argument is that the information has the value that it took to obtain said information.

Since polling data is something a campaign would normally pay for, then that information has value.

Opposition research is also something a campaign would normally pay for.

Ammonitida posted...

Trump Jr did not lie even once

Oh. You're one of those. Never mind...

That was not a court finding but an advisory opinion rendered by the Federal Election Commission. A court of law may have a different opinion, especially as it likely violates the first amendment.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Ammonitida posted...

Were_Wyrm posted...

Hopefully they don't "mysteriously" disappear.

If there had been anything incriminating about them in the first place, they would have disappeared a long time ago. That Trump Jr and company never deleted that email is just more proof of innocence.

"Why did she wait until after the subpoena to delete emails?"

You, Gojak, Mal_Fet, Caution, JohnLennon, and others in October, 2016

I never cared about Hillary's emails in 2016. In fact, I wanted her to win.
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You're not even trying to convince yourself. Sad!
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