Current Events > After playing Civilization games, switching to EU4..the diplomacy...

(+) Yeah! (+)

Is like, holy shit, everything works in a logically sound way and has mechanics behind it that all makes sense?
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I was pretty overwhelmed by EU4. I mean, I can see that it's obviously a great game, and I put 40 hours into it, but also I think I only got to 1600.
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civ is very simplistic honestly. it's an easy casual game to get into but it's not very complex. it's just fun

the paradox games are way more indepth
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civ 5 is simple (compared to eu4) and that's fine. i always loved the presentation in the animations and graphics to have a great time with it.

eu4 has layers and layers of systems all joined together to make the best grand strategy diplomacy and war simulator.

i love both games.
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I just got Victoria 2 which is another one of the Paradox games like EU4. It's super overwhelming so far lol, probably gonna have to watch tutorials on it
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Yeah, Civ's.. everything, is fairly simple really. Which I guess it is supposed to be.

Even so, I do wish the AI wasn't so insane in 6. It just feels frustrating to deal with all their agenda's - they condemn you if you don't meet it within 1 turn, or can even have contradictory ones.
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I have EU4, just need to get into it. I'm still binging on HOI IV for the time being though.
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Funkydog posted...

Yeah, Civ's.. everything, is fairly simple really. Which I guess it is supposed to be.

Even so, I do wish the AI wasn't so insane in 6. It just feels frustrating to deal with all their agenda's - they condemn you if you don't meet it within 1 turn, or can even have contradictory ones.

It's hard to be detailed when your scope is the entirety of human history. The sheer grandiosity of Civ's scope is what I love about it, even if they've increasingly struggled to make the AI players behave believably and consistently. One of the problems is that I don't think they've really committed to either AI players behaving "historically" or behaving like they're playing Civilization, and both situations create nasty edge-cases.

As far as EU4 goes, it's good stuff. I have a Brandenburg game going, and just formed Prussia. Just starting to spool up my big military bonuses, but Denmark is doing extremely well and has thus far kept its PUs over Norway and Sweden. AND is allied to a pretty successful Muscovy. Poland refused the union with Lithuania and is really struggling though, so I could eat them without upsetting Austria.

Once I played paradox games civilization feels like the most shallow shit ever.

I'm really trying to run an Ethiopian game as far as can through the converters
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You're gonna hate paradox games the more you play them, trust me.

ElatedVenusaur posted...

Funkydog posted...

Yeah, Civ's.. everything, is fairly simple really. Which I guess it is supposed to be.

Even so, I do wish the AI wasn't so insane in 6. It just feels frustrating to deal with all their agenda's - they condemn you if you don't meet it within 1 turn, or can even have contradictory ones.

It's hard to be detailed when your scope is the entirety of human history. The sheer grandiosity of Civ's scope is what I love about it, even if they've increasingly struggled to make the AI players behave believably and consistently. One of the problems is that I don't think they've really committed to either AI players behaving "historically" or behaving like they're playing Civilization, and both situations create nasty edge-cases.

As far as EU4 goes, it's good stuff. I have a Brandenburg game going, and just formed Prussia. Just starting to spool up my big military bonuses, but Denmark is doing extremely well and has thus far kept its PUs over Norway and Sweden. AND is allied to a pretty successful Muscovy. Poland refused the union with Lithuania and is really struggling though, so I could eat them without upsetting Austria.

Oh, I love Civ. The AI just doesn't make sense really is my biggest issue.

I don't much care about them not being "historic" but being logical in whatever attitude they have would be nice at least. And not condemning you instantly for not meeting some silly standard. Or everyone getting annoyed at you for being a "warmonger" when you are the one defending yourself. etc.
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Civ probably needs multiple AI diplomacy settings for the game.

Do you want to play with an AI that respects diplomacy and acts in a realistic manner from a real world perspective?

Or do you want to play with a psycho who's only ambition is to win the game?
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