Current Events > so is the Lord of Light the true God in Game of Thrones? *spoilers*

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Haven't read the books

Throughout the TV series we have seen a bunch of different religious beliefs (faith of the Seven, drowned God, many faced God, etc).

Logically they cannot all be correct as they contradict each other. however what i have noticed in the show is that the only religion that has any kind of supernatural influence is the Lord of Light religion.

we have seen berric dondarion come back to life, jon snow come back to life, the red priestess chick with the boobs predict outcomes of battles, etc. so we know the religion is valid.

however, we have not seen ANYTHING from the other religions. are we supposed to believe that Lord of Light is actually the true God of the GoT universe and the rest are heresies or whatever? or is this fleshed out in the book more and the other religions are considered equally as valid?
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Maybe it's all the same.
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people coming back to life in the books is a lot less of a miracle than it is portrayed in the show. i don't think it's meant to be proof of god so much as just scary magic. in the books, people brought back from the dead through the red priests are just wights who retain some of their senses. it's just the opposite ends of the others bringing people back to life

also grrm is a pretty staunch atheist so i also think that plays a role in it not being a miracle from god.
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The lord of light seems like the devil to me, not a god
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The Old Gods of the Forest (Children of the Forest) also I would say. Bran can do his special ability thing. They are the old gods that Ned and his family worshiped

But I get your question and always thought about that myself.
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I sense some twist. Ill compare to Tolkien *spoilers for Silmarillion*

Morgoth was a God that decieved elves at one point seeming "good", while the other Gods, the Valar (kinda like the 7 gods in GoT) more or less let shit play out, until they didn't. I bet the 7 play a role before the end.
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Also this from Braavos. They say it's all one God.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Many-Faced_God
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yeah, in the books everyone that was brought back to life is a lot more evil and menacing then they are portrayed in the show.

the brothers without banners are actually pretty villainous in the books under the leadership of lady stoneheart, although its kind of overlooked cause theyre killing other villainous people
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I'd be inclined to believe you if the Old Gods from the North weren't also already proven with the children of the forest being real.

There's also the many faced God which is also the handwave for "they're all the same thing."
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

people coming back to life in the books is a lot less of a miracle than it is portrayed in the show. i don't think it's meant to be proof of god so much as just scary magic. in the books, people brought back from the dead through the red priests are just wights who retain some of their senses. it's just the opposite ends of the others bringing people back to life

also grrm is a pretty staunch atheist so i also think that plays a role in it not being a miracle from god.

there is zero evidence that beric is a wight with his senses

stoneheart seems more consumed with anger than wight-ified.
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Davos was possibly saved by the Seven after Blackwater, the direwolves and warging are probably related to the Old Gods, and Patchface could be connected to the Drowned God
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Darkman124 posted...

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

people coming back to life in the books is a lot less of a miracle than it is portrayed in the show. i don't think it's meant to be proof of god so much as just scary magic. in the books, people brought back from the dead through the red priests are just wights who retain some of their senses. it's just the opposite ends of the others bringing people back to life

also grrm is a pretty staunch atheist so i also think that plays a role in it not being a miracle from god.

there is zero evidence that beric is a wight with his senses

stoneheart seems more consumed with anger than wight-ified.

Except George outright stated it, recently
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

people coming back to life in the books is a lot less of a miracle than it is portrayed in the show. i don't think it's meant to be proof of god so much as just scary magic. in the books, people brought back from the dead through the red priests are just wights who retain some of their senses. it's just the opposite ends of the others bringing people back to life

also grrm is a pretty staunch atheist so i also think that plays a role in it not being a miracle from god.

so does that mean that Jon Snow is basically a wight? Because in the show they didnt focus on him coming back to life after the initial shock of "he's back", it seems like his revival was more or less a do-over and a plot device to get him out of the Night's Watch while still being an honorable dude
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Darkman124 posted...

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

people coming back to life in the books is a lot less of a miracle than it is portrayed in the show. i don't think it's meant to be proof of god so much as just scary magic. in the books, people brought back from the dead through the red priests are just wights who retain some of their senses. it's just the opposite ends of the others bringing people back to life

also grrm is a pretty staunch atheist so i also think that plays a role in it not being a miracle from god.

there is zero evidence that beric is a wight with his senses

stoneheart seems more consumed with anger than wight-ified.

http://wikiofthrones.com/9626/george-r-r-martin-reveals-beric-dondarrion-wight-animated-fire/
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only death
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There are several.

Lord of Light is the most prevalent one, giving people fire magic, visions of the future, ability to manipulate people by using a king's blood, and resurrecting the dead.

The old gods are another, they seem to be the opposite of the Lord of Light, and Melisandre believes they are pure evil. Warging into creatures, seeing through the trees eyes, the children's magic, and wight walkers are all connected to the old gods.

Then the many faced God, claimed to be the real one while the followers of the other religions only focus on specific aspects of this entity. Grants people "shape shifting" abilities, super stealth and possible supernatural traveling capabilities. Also is the most demanding and controlling of the gods.

There's also shadow priests, but I think they fall in with the lord of light. The only one we haven't seen impact anything supernaturally are the Seven, but that one actually has the most influence by being the most widespread and accepted of them all.
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So when Melisandre resurrects Jon Snow will he also be a 'wight animated by fire' like Dondarrion?
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iPhone_7 posted...

So when Melisandre resurrects Jon Snow will he also be a 'wight animated by fire'?

man, there is so much nuance to GoT that the show barely explores
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Romulox28 posted...

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

people coming back to life in the books is a lot less of a miracle than it is portrayed in the show. i don't think it's meant to be proof of god so much as just scary magic. in the books, people brought back from the dead through the red priests are just wights who retain some of their senses. it's just the opposite ends of the others bringing people back to life

also grrm is a pretty staunch atheist so i also think that plays a role in it not being a miracle from god.

so does that mean that Jon Snow is basically a wight? Because in the show they didnt focus on him coming back to life after the initial shock of "he's back", it seems like his revival was more or less a do-over and a plot device to get him out of the Night's Watch while still being an honorable dude

The show is skipping over a lot of details. Jon is probably different because in the books he'll warg into Ghost after dying.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

http://wikiofthrones.com/9626/george-r-r-martin-reveals-beric-dondarrion-wight-animated-fire/

i honestly think GRRM is a fool for making these claims that the literature does not reflect at all
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You heard it here first, folks. Darkman knows better than GRRM.
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Romulox28 posted...

or is this fleshed out in the book more and the other religions are considered equally as valid?

it's ambiguous whether magic is actually the work of a god or people believing that it is

Romulox28 posted...

it seems like his revival was more or less a do-over and a plot device to get him out of the Night's Watch while still being an honorable dude

p much
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I thought I'd heard a while ago that GRRM outright states that there were no gods, they were 'invented' by people witnessing extremely powerful magic/mages
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Darkman124 posted...

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

http://wikiofthrones.com/9626/george-r-r-martin-reveals-beric-dondarrion-wight-animated-fire/

i honestly think GRRM is a fool for making these claims that the literature does not reflect at all

Beric does make some comment about it. Or if it's Thoros. Something something every time he gets resurrected is more arduous somehow.
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scar the 1 posted...

Darkman124 posted...

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

http://wikiofthrones.com/9626/george-r-r-martin-reveals-beric-dondarrion-wight-animated-fire/

i honestly think GRRM is a fool for making these claims that the literature does not reflect at all

Beric does make some comment about it. Or if it's Thoros. Something something every time he gets resurrected is more arduous somehow.

He comes back "less" every time. Like he's missing pieces.
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The books are call A Song of Ice and Fire, after all.

Basically, the magic behind the white walkers, and the magic behind the lord of light are the two real true magics in the universe. The books are about those two forces combating each other. So yeah.
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There is no God but Allah, infidel.
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The books appear to be getting to the Drowned God being an actual creature that will be summoned
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I think the faith of the seven is the one we can say for sure isn't real
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