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ImTheMacheteGuy 07/16/17 5:04:07 PM #101:	Mal_Fet posted... Models based on polling data did. What does that 1 single model from huffington post have to do with approval rating polls now? --- This is literally the answer to every argument or debate in the history of humankind... http://imgur.com/a/8xUjQ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:883029114] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Models based on polling data did.</quote> What does that 1 single model from huffington post have to do with approval rating polls now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/16/17 5:04:16 PM #102:	Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted... Polls didn't give her a 98% chance of winning. Holy fuck. Models based on polling data did. This isn't that difficult. Trump derangement syndrome hit y'all hard, lmao Jesus Christ, man. How do you tie your shoes? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883029118] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Polls didn't give her a 98% chance of winning. Holy fuck. </quote> Models based on polling data did. This isn't that difficult. Trump derangement syndrome hit y'all hard, lmao</quote> Jesus Christ, man. How do you tie your shoes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 07/16/17 5:05:43 PM #103:	hockeybub89 posted... Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted... If 95/100 polls gave you a one percent advantage, you'd be said to have a 95% chance to win. One might call such a poll misleading! Just like these approval ratings likely are. How is it misleading? Because obviously there were way more people supporting Trump than any of the polls had shown. I'm not seeing what's so hard to understand about this. We KNOW Trump's supporters don't answer pollsters. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-future-of-polling-may-depend-on-donald-trumps-fate/ So why is this approval rating poll any different? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:883029205] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>If 95/100 polls gave you a one percent advantage, you'd be said to have a 95% chance to win.</quote> One might call such a poll misleading! Just like these approval ratings likely are.</quote> How is it misleading?</quote> Because obviously there were way more people supporting Trump than any of the polls had shown. I'm not seeing what's so hard to understand about this. We KNOW Trump's supporters don't answer pollsters. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-future-of-polling-may-depend-on-donald-trumps-fate/ So why is this approval rating poll any different?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 07/16/17 5:06:37 PM #104:	Zero_Destroyer posted... Mal_Fet posted... Ok, so you're a lost cause. I'm still waiting for how these approval polls are supposed to be more trustworthy than the ones that gave Hillary a 70-98% chance of winning. Based on this and the Planned Parenthood video you linked, you very clearly do not understand how statistics work. NYT, HuffPo, and 538 used state-polling based models to assign a % value to a candidate's likelihood of winning. 538's accounted for demographics better by assuming one polling error would likely snowball whereas HuffPo and NYT did not. 1: The 95% figure is deceptive because the models using it were clearly inferior to 538's since the latter used more data points. 2: State polling has little to do with national polling, which is what approval ratings are based on. 3: The polling errors in the 2016 election were not the 16-17+% we're seeing with Trump's disapproval ratings. The last two are the most important factors here. You're arguing that the polling was wrong based on state-polling models when we're discussing national polling, and you're assuming that a 1-3% MoE is the same as a 15-20% MoE. The latter is objectively negative. Even if there's a high MoE Trump's approval ratings are terrible. If you want any more evidence, here; https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html IBD/TIPP Presidential Approval: Trump -21 IBD/TIPP 2016 National Poll: Clinton +1 (MoE 1.1%) quoted just to make sure mal doesn't miss it --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:883029244] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> Ok, so you're a lost cause. I'm still waiting for how these approval polls are supposed to be more trustworthy than the ones that gave Hillary a 70-98% chance of winning.</quote> Based on this and the Planned Parenthood video you linked, you very clearly do not understand how statistics work. NYT, HuffPo, and 538 used state-polling based models to assign a % value to a candidate's likelihood of winning. 538's accounted for demographics better by assuming one polling error would likely snowball whereas HuffPo and NYT did not. 1: The 95% figure is deceptive because the models using it were clearly inferior to 538's since the latter used more data points. 2: State polling has little to do with national polling, which is what approval ratings are based on. 3: The polling errors in the 2016 election were not the 16-17+% we're seeing with Trump's disapproval ratings. The last two are the most important factors here. You're arguing that the polling was wrong based on state-polling models when we're discussing national polling, and you're assuming that a 1-3% MoE is the same as a 15-20% MoE. The latter is objectively negative. Even if there's a high MoE Trump's approval ratings are terrible. If you want any more evidence, here; https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html IBD/TIPP Presidential Approval: Trump -21 IBD/TIPP 2016 National Poll: Clinton +1 (MoE 1.1%)</quote> quoted just to make sure mal doesn't miss it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 07/16/17 5:08:06 PM #105:	Oh he saw it. He's just ignoring it because he can't dispute it. Ever notice how he selectively quotes small passages of posts and responds to them while ignoring the bulk of a post? <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:883029320] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote>Oh he saw it. He's just ignoring it because he can't dispute it. Ever notice how he selectively quotes small passages of posts and responds to them while ignoring the bulk of a post?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 07/16/17 5:10:06 PM #106:	TheVipaGTS posted... Oh he saw it. He's just ignoring it because he can't dispute it. Ever notice how he selectively quotes small passages of posts and responds to them while ignoring the bulk of a post? I noticed this because he intentionally left out the sarcasm and fake math section of my post, which can only mean 1 thing... he took it literally and agreed with it and thus literally thinks that 107% of Americans approve of donald trump --- This is literally the answer to every argument or debate in the history of humankind... http://imgur.com/a/8xUjQ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:883029438] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Oh he saw it. He's just ignoring it because he can't dispute it. Ever notice how he selectively quotes small passages of posts and responds to them while ignoring the bulk of a post?</quote> I noticed this because he intentionally left out the sarcasm and fake math section of my post, which can only mean 1 thing... he took it literally and agreed with it and thus literally thinks that 107% of Americans approve of donald trump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/16/17 5:10:17 PM #107:	Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted... Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted... If 95/100 polls gave you a one percent advantage, you'd be said to have a 95% chance to win. One might call such a poll misleading! Just like these approval ratings likely are. How is it misleading? Because obviously there were way more people supporting Trump than any of the polls had shown. I'm not seeing what's so hard to understand about this. We KNOW Trump's supporters don't answer pollsters. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-future-of-polling-may-depend-on-donald-trumps-fate/ So why is this approval rating poll any different? Trump didn't win the popular vote though. Those polls didn't ask who electors were voting for. They were state polls asking people who they'd vote for. And the majority gave Hillary an edge, but not a huge one, and margin of error is a thing. Plus, Trump was never said to have no chance of winning. Do you scream about fake news every time the biggest favorite loses a sporting event? Also, did you just cite 538 after criticizing sites like 538 for bad polling? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883029446] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>If 95/100 polls gave you a one percent advantage, you'd be said to have a 95% chance to win.</quote> One might call such a poll misleading! Just like these approval ratings likely are.</quote> How is it misleading?</quote> Because obviously there were way more people supporting Trump than any of the polls had shown. I'm not seeing what's so hard to understand about this. We KNOW Trump's supporters don't answer pollsters. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-future-of-polling-may-depend-on-donald-trumps-fate/ So why is this approval rating poll any different?</quote> Trump didn't win the popular vote though. Those polls didn't ask who electors were voting for. They were state polls asking people who they'd vote for. And the majority gave Hillary an edge, but not a huge one, and margin of error is a thing. Plus, Trump was never said to have no chance of winning. Do you scream about fake news every time the biggest favorite loses a sporting event? Also, did you just cite 538 after criticizing sites like 538 for bad polling?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 07/16/17 5:12:37 PM #108:	He has to have some kind of learning disability. Even when really simple concepts are explained to him, he struggles. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:883029566] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote>He has to have some kind of learning disability. Even when really simple concepts are explained to him, he struggles.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 07/16/17 5:14:12 PM #109:	hockeybub89 posted... Also, did you just cite 538 after criticizing sites like 538 for bad polling? yes he did. 538 was the 70-30 for hilary one. He linked it in response to me asking what he was looking at, prior to the huffington one. --- This is literally the answer to every argument or debate in the history of humankind... http://imgur.com/a/8xUjQ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:883029657] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Also, did you just cite 538 after criticizing sites like 538 for bad polling?</quote> yes he did. 538 was the 70-30 for hilary one. He linked it in response to me asking what he was looking at, prior to the huffington one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 07/16/17 5:35:09 PM #110:	Zero_Destroyer posted... 3: The polling errors in the 2016 election were not the 16-17+% we're seeing with Trump's disapproval ratings. How can you possibly know this? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:883030794] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>3: The polling errors in the 2016 election were not the 16-17+% we're seeing with Trump's disapproval ratings. </quote> How can you possibly know this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 07/16/17 5:36:35 PM #111:	I'm going to sum up this entire topic with out reading a single post Something something fake news <cite>Axiom posted [p:883030872] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote>I'm going to sum up this entire topic with out reading a single post Something something fake news</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hinakuluiau 07/16/17 5:57:02 PM #112:	You're telling me a president who lies, who advocates policy that will increase the cost of living for the majority of Americans, who appoints unqualified cabinet members and not only hasn't filled numerous key positions but also had several officials resign because in their own words they are “unable to work for this man,” who fired the FBI director and AGs for not doing his bidding, who wants to kill the EPA and sell off our national parks, who spends almost as much time playing golf as he does in the White House, who sends his children to stand in for him during official events, who advocates violence against the media and has some of the most divisive rhetoric we've ever heard, who tweets things that I would scold a teenager for saying, who takes zero responsibility for his own words, only cares about ratings, insults women, is a cyber bully, how he insulted a POW and said he prefers soldiers who don't get caught, and then said having sex in the 80s was like being in Vietnam, ripped off thousands of people in business, had a fake university, had four bankruptcies, is intellectually lazy, likes ketchup on burnt steak, colluded with Russia against America, refuses to get daily briefings, pulled out of the Paris deal, has unqualified family members in high positions, hasn't released his taxes, insults minorities, the handicapped, war heroes, the pope, news outlets, private citizens, incites violence at rallies, profits off his private businesses while in office and lies, can't speak in complete sentences, unfit for the oval office, his administration seems to be incapable of handling the logistics of simple tasks, see: booking a hotel for G20, ordering eggs for the Easter Egg Hunt, replacing the Obama signature on the autopen, doesn't respect the oval office, insults a GOLD STAR family, claimed he sacrificed as much as that gold star family because he owns real estate and employs people (how that compares to a mother and father who buried their son after he was killed fighting for his country is beyond the scope of my abilities). You're telling me that president is the least popular in history? Gotta be fake news. --- There are some things where I just bypass critical thinking. - ROD http://error1355.com/ce/Hinakuluiau.html <cite>Hinakuluiau posted [p:883032001] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote>You're telling me a president who lies, who advocates policy that will increase the cost of living for the majority of Americans, who appoints unqualified cabinet members and not only hasn't filled numerous key positions but also had several officials resign because in their own words they are “unable to work for this man,” who fired the FBI director and AGs for not doing his bidding, who wants to kill the EPA and sell off our national parks, who spends almost as much time playing golf as he does in the White House, who sends his children to stand in for him during official events, who advocates violence against the media and has some of the most divisive rhetoric we've ever heard, who tweets things that I would scold a teenager for saying, who takes zero responsibility for his own words, only cares about ratings, insults women, is a cyber bully, how he insulted a POW and said he prefers soldiers who don't get caught, and then said having sex in the 80s was like being in Vietnam, ripped off thousands of people in business, had a fake university, had four bankruptcies, is intellectually lazy, likes ketchup on burnt steak, colluded with Russia against America, refuses to get daily briefings, pulled out of the Paris deal, has unqualified family members in high positions, hasn't released his taxes, insults minorities, the handicapped, war heroes, the pope, news outlets, private citizens, incites violence at rallies, profits off his private businesses while in office and lies, can't speak in complete sentences, unfit for the oval office, his administration seems to be incapable of handling the logistics of simple tasks, see: booking a hotel for G20, ordering eggs for the Easter Egg Hunt, replacing the Obama signature on the autopen, doesn't respect the oval office, insults a GOLD STAR family, claimed he sacrificed as much as that gold star family because he owns real estate and employs people (how that compares to a mother and father who buried their son after he was killed fighting for his country is beyond the scope of my abilities). You're telling me that president is the least popular in history? Gotta be fake news.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 07/16/17 5:59:35 PM #113:	Hinakuluiau posted... You're telling me a president who lies, who advocates policy that will increase the cost of living for the majority of Americans, who appoints unqualified cabinet members Obama? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:883032142] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hinakuluiau posted...</cite> <quote>You're telling me a president who lies, who advocates policy that will increase the cost of living for the majority of Americans, who appoints unqualified cabinet members</quote> Obama?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 07/16/17 6:00:34 PM #114:	Hinakuluiau posted... likes ketchup on burnt steak does that REALLY need to be in there? >_> --- This is literally the answer to every argument or debate in the history of humankind... http://imgur.com/a/8xUjQ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:883032195] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hinakuluiau posted...</cite> <quote>likes ketchup on burnt steak</quote> does that REALLY need to be in there? >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gafemaqs 07/16/17 6:01:18 PM #115:	DifferentialEquation posted... That's because the left is at a historic level of saltiness. So the left does have a majority in the US? <cite>gafemaqs posted [p:883032252] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>That's because the left is at a historic level of saltiness.</quote> So the left does have a majority in the US?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/16/17 6:02:07 PM #116:	Mal_Fet posted... Hinakuluiau posted... You're telling me a president who lies, who advocates policy that will increase the cost of living for the majority of Americans, who appoints unqualified cabinet members Obama? You're an independent who doesn't care for Republicans or Democrats. Why do you need to Butt Obama and conveniently ignore 99% of every single post that counters your totally-not-Trump-supporting pole smoking? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883032301] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hinakuluiau posted...</cite> <quote>You're telling me a president who lies, who advocates policy that will increase the cost of living for the majority of Americans, who appoints unqualified cabinet members</quote> Obama?</quote> You're an independent who doesn't care for Republicans or Democrats. Why do you need to Butt Obama and conveniently ignore 99% of every single post that counters your totally-not-Trump-supporting pole smoking?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 07/16/17 6:02:59 PM #117:	Mal_Fet posted... How can you possibly know this? Because we have the polling from the 2016 and the results that directly show the MoEs. The worst ones are in the midwest with 6-7% underestimation of Trump. But again, this is irrelevant, because approval ratings are national polls, not state polls. --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:883032356] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> How can you possibly know this?</quote> Because we have the polling from the 2016 and the results that directly show the MoEs. The worst ones are in the midwest with 6-7% underestimation of Trump. But again, this is irrelevant, because approval ratings are national polls, not state polls.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 07/16/17 6:03:03 PM #118:	hockeybub89 posted... You're an independent who doesn't care for Republicans or Democrats. I would really like to know where you keep hearing this lie. How many times do I need to explain to you that I dislike Democrats way more than Rpublicans --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:883032361] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>You're an independent who doesn't care for Republicans or Democrats. </quote> I would really like to know where you keep hearing this lie. How many times do I need to explain to you that I dislike Democrats way more than Rpublicans</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 07/16/17 6:04:02 PM #119:	Zero_Destroyer posted... But again, this is irrelevant, because approval ratings are national polls, not state polls. So what? How does this change that the polls are underrepresenting Trump's support base? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:883032416] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote> But again, this is irrelevant, because approval ratings are national polls, not state polls.</quote> So what? How does this change that the polls are underrepresenting Trump's support base?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 07/16/17 6:05:13 PM #120:	I don't understand. Even if you think that all polls suck, do you think how much a poll sucks tracks with how much it puts Trump down? Since inauguration, Trump's (approval-disapproval) has dropped 15 points. So even if you think it started out in the wrong spot, the drop still exists. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:883032474] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote>I don't understand. Even if you think that all polls suck, do you think how much a poll sucks tracks with how much it puts Trump down? Since inauguration, Trump's (approval-disapproval) has dropped 15 points. So even if you think it started out in the wrong spot, the drop still exists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 07/16/17 6:08:27 PM #121:	Mal_Fet posted... How does this change that the polls are underrepresenting Trump's support base? https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/ president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html ^had to split it in two because of word limits The overall MoE of the RCP aggregate was 1.1%+ and the worst MoE there are 4% MoE in Clinton's favor (Monmouth) and a 5% MoE in Trump's favor (LA/USC.) There's no evidence demonstrated here that 15-20% of Trump's base isn't accounted for in national polling. --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:883032645] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>How does this change that the polls are underrepresenting Trump's support base?</quote> https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/ president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html ^had to split it in two because of word limits The overall MoE of the RCP aggregate was 1.1%+ and the worst MoE there are 4% MoE in Clinton's favor (Monmouth) and a 5% MoE in Trump's favor (LA/USC.) There's no evidence demonstrated here that 15-20% of Trump's base isn't accounted for in national polling.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sondast 07/16/17 6:10:35 PM #122:	The Admiral posted... Trump could personally find a cure for cancer, bring peace to the Middle East, solve global warming, and eliminate worldwide poverty and liberals would still hate him. Personally, I would settle for helping, rather than hurting, the middle class. --- Take a lesson from parakeets. If you're ever feeling lonely, just eat in front of a mirror. <cite>sondast posted [p:883032773] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Trump could personally find a cure for cancer, bring peace to the Middle East, solve global warming, and eliminate worldwide poverty and liberals would still hate him.</quote> Personally, I would settle for helping, rather than hurting, the middle class.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 07/16/17 6:11:31 PM #123:	Basically, even in cases where polling is inaccurate, there's no evidence of it being so inaccurate that we would see enormous margins of error in every single national approval rating polls, including ones that at one point had good numbers for Trump this year, like Rasmussen - a historically R-slanted polling firm. --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:883032819] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote>Basically, even in cases where polling is inaccurate, there's no evidence of it being so inaccurate that we would see enormous margins of error in every single national approval rating polls, including ones that at one point had good numbers for Trump this year, like Rasmussen - a historically R-slanted polling firm.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 07/16/17 6:11:33 PM #124:	Axiom posted... I'm going to sum up this entire topic with out reading a single post Something something fake news PRetty much except instead of arguing that Trump's approval rating is fake news, they are arguing that the polls saying there was a 95% chance he would lose the presidential vote were fake news. Which would be true if not the for the fact such polls don't exist. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:883032824] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Axiom posted...</cite> <quote>I'm going to sum up this entire topic with out reading a single post Something something fake news</quote> PRetty much except instead of arguing that Trump's approval rating is fake news, they are arguing that the polls saying there was a 95% chance he would lose the presidential vote were fake news. Which would be true if not the for the fact such polls don't exist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 07/16/17 6:11:53 PM #125:	Zero_Destroyer posted... There's no evidence demonstrated here that 15-20% of Trump's base isn't accounted for in national polling. "yeah but there's no evidence that it ISN'T either" --- This is literally the answer to every argument or debate in the history of humankind... http://imgur.com/a/8xUjQ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:883032840] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>There's no evidence demonstrated here that 15-20% of Trump's base isn't accounted for in national polling.</quote> "yeah but there's no evidence that it ISN'T either"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hinakuluiau 07/16/17 6:12:55 PM #126:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... does that REALLY need to be in there? >_> It was an attempt at bringing levity into an otherwise negative post. --- There are some things where I just bypass critical thinking. - ROD http://error1355.com/ce/Hinakuluiau.html <cite>Hinakuluiau posted [p:883032913] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>does that REALLY need to be in there? >_> </quote> It was an attempt at bringing levity into an otherwise negative post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 07/16/17 6:13:10 PM #127:	I'm gonna apply Occam's Razor here: Independents stopped supporting Trump, and most of Trump's support comes from his largely Republicans base. What a novel idea. --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:883032930] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote>I'm gonna apply Occam's Razor here: Independents stopped supporting Trump, and most of Trump's support comes from his largely Republicans base. What a novel idea.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 07/16/17 6:15:04 PM #129:	Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted... You're an independent who doesn't care for Republicans or Democrats. I would really like to know where you keep hearing this lie. How many times do I need to explain to you that I dislike Democrats way more than Rpublicans You still aren't a Republican and claim to be capable of criticizing them. Funny how you are constantly white knighting everything Trump & Co do. You don't know what polls are. You blatantly ignore posts that disagree with your narrative and you hypocritically hold your team (because you support the shit American political dichotomy) to a different standard than the other team. Just do everyone a favor and admit you are a fall-in-line Republican and Trump supporter. You clearly aren't ashamed to believe what you believe, so take the label that goes with those beliefs. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883033038] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>You're an independent who doesn't care for Republicans or Democrats. </quote> I would really like to know where you keep hearing this lie. How many times do I need to explain to you that I dislike Democrats way more than Rpublicans</quote> You still aren't a Republican and claim to be capable of criticizing them. Funny how you are constantly white knighting everything Trump & Co do. You don't know what polls are. You blatantly ignore posts that disagree with your narrative and you hypocritically hold your team (because you support the shit American political dichotomy) to a different standard than the other team. Just do everyone a favor and admit you are a fall-in-line Republican and Trump supporter. You clearly aren't ashamed to believe what you believe, so take the label that goes with those beliefs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steve Nick 07/16/17 6:18:22 PM #130:	Zero_Destroyer posted... I'm gonna apply Occam's Razor here: Independents stopped supporting Trump, and most of Trump's support comes from his largely Republicans base. What a novel idea. Independents never supported Trump. They just voted for him. --- This is my signature. <cite>Steve Nick posted [p:883033220] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>I'm gonna apply Occam's Razor here: Independents stopped supporting Trump, and most of Trump's support comes from his largely Republicans base. What a novel idea.</quote> Independents never supported Trump. They just voted for him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/16/17 6:18:43 PM #131:	Anteaterking posted... I don't understand. Even if you think that all polls suck, do you think how much a poll sucks tracks with how much it puts Trump down? Since inauguration, Trump's (approval-disapproval) has dropped 15 points. So even if you think it started out in the wrong spot, the drop still exists. Clearly salty liberals are just getting more vocal because they hate how great Trump has made America and the leftist pollsters are making up numbers to push their anti-American, anti-Trump fascism. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883033246] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>I don't understand. Even if you think that all polls suck, do you think how much a poll sucks tracks with how much it puts Trump down? Since inauguration, Trump's (approval-disapproval) has dropped 15 points. So even if you think it started out in the wrong spot, the drop still exists.</quote> Clearly salty liberals are just getting more vocal because they hate how great Trump has made America and the leftist pollsters are making up numbers to push their anti-American, anti-Trump fascism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 07/16/17 6:20:22 PM #132:	Bullet_Wing posted... To think, this is a guy that the Trump supporters on this board hold up as an intelligent example of their kind. Woah! That's scary. Plus it says alot about them also! --- I don't have to insult you. I have proven that you are a hypocrite and a fool. That's not insulting you, that's exposing you. PSN-Bishop9800 <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:883033327] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bullet_Wing posted...</cite> <quote>To think, this is a guy that the Trump supporters on this board hold up as an intelligent example of their kind.</quote> Woah! That's scary. Plus it says alot about them also!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 07/16/17 6:20:49 PM #133:	Bullet_Wing posted... Mal fails to understand the difference between pundits, polls, and forecasts. ^ Projecting. hockeybub89 posted... Funny how you are constantly white knighting everything Trump & Co do. I don't though. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:883033357] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bullet_Wing posted...</cite> <quote>Mal fails to understand the difference between pundits, polls, and forecasts.</quote> ^ Projecting. <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Funny how you are constantly white knighting everything Trump & Co do. </quote> I don't though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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literal_garbage 07/16/17 6:22:39 PM #135:	Mal_Fet posted... Bullet_Wing posted... Mal fails to understand the difference between pundits, polls, and forecasts. ^ Projecting. hockeybub89 posted... Funny how you are constantly white knighting everything Trump & Co do. I don't though. Lmao --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:883033462] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bullet_Wing posted...</cite> <quote>Mal fails to understand the difference between pundits, polls, and forecasts.</quote> ^ Projecting. <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Funny how you are constantly white knighting everything Trump & Co do. </quote> I don't though.</quote> Lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Waluigi7 07/16/17 6:23:15 PM #136:	Steve Nick posted... Zero_Destroyer posted... I'm gonna apply Occam's Razor here: Independents stopped supporting Trump, and most of Trump's support comes from his largely Republicans base. What a novel idea. Independents never supported Trump. What about Mal_Fet? --- Gonna go out on a limb and guess that you are a trump supporter -UnfairRepresent <cite>Waluigi7 posted [p:883033493] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Steve Nick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>I'm gonna apply Occam's Razor here: Independents stopped supporting Trump, and most of Trump's support comes from his largely Republicans base. What a novel idea.</quote> Independents never supported Trump.</quote> What about Mal_Fet?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/16/17 6:25:53 PM #137:	Believe me, Mal knows polls. He has poll people and they tell him he knows the best polls. Any classical liberal that isn't a Trump supporter knows none of the polls gave Trump a chance. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883033657] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote>Believe me, Mal knows polls. He has poll people and they tell him he knows the best polls. Any classical liberal that isn't a Trump supporter knows none of the polls gave Trump a chance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 07/16/17 6:29:28 PM #138:	Steve Nick posted... Zero_Destroyer posted... I'm gonna apply Occam's Razor here: Independents stopped supporting Trump, and most of Trump's support comes from his largely Republicans base. What a novel idea. Independents never supported Trump. They just voted for him. I'm an Independant and I did not vote for him --- This is literally the answer to every argument or debate in the history of humankind... http://imgur.com/a/8xUjQ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:883033898] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Steve Nick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>I'm gonna apply Occam's Razor here: Independents stopped supporting Trump, and most of Trump's support comes from his largely Republicans base. What a novel idea.</quote> Independents never supported Trump. They just voted for him.</quote> I'm an Independant and I did not vote for him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 07/16/17 6:31:24 PM #139:	Mal_Fet posted... ^ Projecting. you should try using this argument when it actually makes sense to use it instead of just whenever someone says something, Pee Wee Herman. --- This is literally the answer to every argument or debate in the history of humankind... http://imgur.com/a/8xUjQ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:883034042] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>^ Projecting.</quote> you should try using this argument when it actually makes sense to use it instead of just whenever someone says something, Pee Wee Herman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Delirious_Beard 07/16/17 6:34:21 PM #140:	The Admiral posted... Trump could personally find a cure for cancer, bring peace to the Middle East, solve global warming, and eliminate worldwide poverty and liberals would still hate him. what an incredibly stupid post even by your embarrassing standards --- http://i.imgur.com/5UL2v5u.gif "Does our ruin benefit the earth? Does it help the grass to grow, the sun to shine? Is this darkness in you, too?" <cite>Delirious_Beard posted [p:883034225] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Trump could personally find a cure for cancer, bring peace to the Middle East, solve global warming, and eliminate worldwide poverty and liberals would still hate him.</quote> what an incredibly stupid post even by your embarrassing standards</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 07/16/17 6:45:49 PM #141:	Welp this topic has predictably devolved into ad hominem nonsense. We'll see what the real approval ratings are when the midterm elections happen. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:883034893] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote>Welp this topic has predictably devolved into ad hominem nonsense. We'll see what the real approval ratings are when the midterm elections happen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ganon19 07/16/17 6:57:25 PM #143:	Dam mal getting bodied ITT. --- Joel Embiid is a bust People who agree with me: 4 <cite>Ganon19 posted [p:883035599] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote>Dam mal getting bodied ITT.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 07/16/17 6:58:57 PM #144:	Mal_Fet posted... We'll see what the real approval ratings are when the midterm elections happen. Yeah, those will be a good gauge of what people though about him 16 months earlier. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:883035701] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>We'll see what the real approval ratings are when the midterm elections happen.</quote> Yeah, those will be a good gauge of what people though about him 16 months earlier.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 07/16/17 7:35:56 PM #145:	Ganon19 posted... Dam mal getting bodied ITT. --- I don't have to insult you. I have proven that you are a hypocrite and a fool. That's not insulting you, that's exposing you. PSN-Bishop9800 <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:883037947] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ganon19 posted...</cite> <quote>Dam mal getting bodied ITT.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KarmaMuffin 07/16/17 7:43:44 PM #146:	Most legitimate polls were at least close to within their margin of error. The problem is that the results were on the opposite side of that margin from what most people expected. Specifically, this poll was done by ABC. Last ABC poll before the 2016 election was 47:43 in favor of Hillary. Hillary won 48:46. Seems like a decent poll and even if you add three points to Trumps current approval rating he would still have the worst ratings 6 months into his presidency in 70 years. And forget that if you still think it's biased and FAKE NEWS like ol' Donnie says it is. Look at Rasmussen, the super conservative pollster that had him winning the 2016 election in their forecast. He crows about a poll that has him a few points over the other pollsters, but when you follow the links, they show him with a negative Presidential Approval Index Rating that's only getting more negative as time goes by. Rasmussen's "strongly disapprove" is at 48%, same as the new ABC/Wapo poll that we're talking about and that has him all flustered. So basically he has run out of friendly polls, even those that are super biased towards him. Rasmussen's terrible polling method is a double-edged sword. By not having a "not sure" or "undecided" category, they force people to take more strong positions...leaving Donald with a PAI of Negative 21. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history Even his favorite pollster shows really bad news for him, not just compared to his former ratings but also to past presidents. I approve of his handling of the economy because he hasn't DONE anything to effect the economy. We're coasting off Obamas good decisions. The guy is literally not touching some things Obama did just so he can not screw them up and take credit. I keep hearing the jobs created stuff come up, Trump didn't even pass anything to help jobs, it's still rolling off stuff Obama did. Most of his "accomplishments" he has tweeted about were things already in motion long before he took office. For example, a steadily climbing stock market, or exporting US beef to China. Now granted, the markets prefer Republican administrations (because they kill regulations and make everything easier for businesses, no matter how much damage that does to the environment/workers). So, there was a rather large post-election bump. Now, of course, Trump did nothing to earn that, other than being a Republican and supporting fascist, pro-business positions. But don't confuse the stock markets with the overall economy. While they do tend to follow one another, that is not always the case, especially in the short run of a few months. Jobs growth/unemployment/GDP are the real things to look at. <cite>KarmaMuffin posted [p:883038326] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote>Most legitimate polls were at least close to within their margin of error. The problem is that the results were on the opposite side of that margin from what most people expected. Specifically, this poll was done by ABC. Last ABC poll before the 2016 election was 47:43 in favor of Hillary. Hillary won 48:46. Seems like a decent poll and even if you add three points to Trumps current approval rating he would still have the worst ratings 6 months into his presidency in 70 years. And forget that if you still think it's biased and FAKE NEWS like ol' Donnie says it is. Look at Rasmussen, the super conservative pollster that had him winning the 2016 election in their forecast. He crows about a poll that has him a few points over the other pollsters, but when you follow the links, they show him with a negative Presidential Approval Index Rating that's only getting more negative as time goes by. Rasmussen's "strongly disapprove" is at 48%, same as the new ABC/Wapo poll that we're talking about and that has him all flustered. So basically he has run out of friendly polls, even those that are super biased towards him. Rasmussen's terrible polling method is a double-edged sword. By not having a "not sure" or "undecided" category, they force people to take more strong positions...leaving Donald with a PAI of Negative 21. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history Even his favorite pollster shows really bad news for him, not just compared to his former ratings but also to past presidents. I approve of his handling of the economy because he hasn't DONE anything to effect the economy. We're coasting off Obamas good decisions. The guy is literally not touching some things Obama did just so he can not screw them up and take credit. I keep hearing the jobs created stuff come up, Trump didn't even pass anything to help jobs, it's still rolling off stuff Obama did. Most of his "accomplishments" he has tweeted about were things already in motion long before he took office. For example, a steadily climbing stock market, or exporting US beef to China. Now granted, the markets prefer Republican administrations (because they kill regulations and make everything easier for businesses, no matter how much damage that does to the environment/workers). So, there was a rather large post-election bump. Now, of course, Trump did nothing to earn that, other than being a Republican and supporting fascist, pro-business positions. But don't confuse the stock markets with the overall economy. While they do tend to follow one another, that is not always the case, especially in the short run of a few months. Jobs growth/unemployment/GDP are the real things to look at.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 07/16/17 8:07:37 PM #147:	Mal_Fet posted... Welp this topic has predictably devolved into ad hominem nonsense. We'll see what the real approval ratings are when the midterm elections happen. I did not base my arguments on ad hominems. You've provided zero evidence for your assertions and now you're running like a coward like you always do. --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:883039534] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Welp this topic has predictably devolved into ad hominem nonsense. We'll see what the real approval ratings are when the midterm elections happen.</quote> I did not base my arguments on ad hominems. You've provided zero evidence for your assertions and now you're running like a coward like you always do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 07/17/17 7:30:38 AM #148:	I'll just leave this here: https://twitter.com/polNewsForever/status/886748856872046592 --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:883065311] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote>I'll just leave this here: https://twitter.com/polNewsForever/status/886748856872046592</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 07/17/17 7:32:13 AM #149:	Remember when people literally said Trump had a 7% chance of winning the election based off poll results. Lmao Trump wins. --- woof <cite>Howl posted [p:883065344] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote>Remember when people literally said Trump had a 7% chance of winning the election based off poll results. Lmao Trump wins.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OpheliaAdenade 07/17/17 8:15:11 AM #150:	It was enough to get Trump upset, so I'd say the poll can be trusted. :o Trump is already breaking records! Good for him. --- http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q <cite>OpheliaAdenade posted [p:883066407] in Trump's si... [t:75571148]...</cite> <quote>It was enough to get Trump upset, so I'd say the poll can be trusted. :o Trump is already breaking records! Good for him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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