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Darkman124
07/10/17 3:12:24 PM
#153:


UnholyMudcrab posted...
Great job hitting 150 posts, everyone. Let's keep chugging along now.


the best part is GEE and Ophelia are so occupied with each other that they're not posting anywhere else
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GreatEvilEmpire
07/10/17 3:13:52 PM
#154:


TrevorBlack79 posted...

She's not wrong. Your unwillingness to discuss how your preferred policies might affect your own family demonstrates your own immorality on the subject.


There is a way to bring children into the discussion, but you don't bring it up as a personal attack. There is nothing more to discuss when someone goes this route.

You can bring family into a discussion in a generic sense, but don't make it personal. There are lines you don't cross. It's degenerative.
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OpheliaAdenade
07/10/17 3:27:08 PM
#155:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...

She's not wrong. Your unwillingness to discuss how your preferred policies might affect your own family demonstrates your own immorality on the subject.


There is a way to bring children into the discussion, but you don't bring it up as a personal attack. There is nothing more to discuss when someone goes this route.

You can bring family into a discussion in a generic sense, but don't make it personal. There are lines you don't cross. It's degenerative.


Sounds like you're just desperate to avoid the implications. That's fine by me. I get how it is easier to dismiss the livelihood of other people when you don't know them, when they're just this nebulous other. When you think about how it'd effect those you care about your tune changes. That's only natural. :u
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FursonaNonGrata
07/10/17 3:30:54 PM
#156:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
BLAKUboy posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
I won't stoop to a loser's level.

Technically, she's stooping to your level if anything. So...


Are you hoping to get laid?


Lmao what is going on in this topic
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OpheliaAdenade
07/10/17 3:35:35 PM
#157:


FursonaNonGrata posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
BLAKUboy posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
I won't stoop to a loser's level.

Technically, she's stooping to your level if anything. So...


Are you hoping to get laid?


Lmao what is going on in this topic


Didn't you know? :u You can only agree with a girl online if you're trying to get laid. Not because you agree with her. Nope, not possible.
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KiwiTerraRizing
07/10/17 3:35:50 PM
#158:


How did the Wall Street firms "earn" their bailout money?

How is a sports owner who is given money from public bonds for a stadium who then sells the team at a profit "earning" money?

It's earned in the same way bank robbers earn their money.

The United States is not a country, its a business. All that matters is money. Those with money make rules to put down competition and make it so they can't lose.
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Kaname_Madoka
07/10/17 3:37:25 PM
#159:


there is no ethical anime under capitalism
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suhleepy
07/10/17 3:57:06 PM
#160:


who do I agree with to get laid around here!?
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TrevorBlack79
07/10/17 4:04:33 PM
#161:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
There is a way to bring children into the discussion, but you don't bring it up as a personal attack.


She didn't do that. You're just unwilling to consider the implications when it's your own family at risk.
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Mal_Fet
07/10/17 5:12:44 PM
#162:


hockeybub89 posted...
I love a good dare. I am positive you would be equally sympathetic to a Holocaust survivor if they compared the nationalism and xenophobia of the Nazis to modern Republicans. You're using a Holocaust survivor as a political tool.

This holocaust survivor gives specific examples of the things Nazi Germany did. Go ahead and deny them.
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Mal_Fet
07/10/17 5:16:26 PM
#163:


KiwiTerraRizing posted...
How did the Wall Street firms "earn" their bailout money?

The bailout was definitively anti-capitalist.

Thanks, Obama.
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suhleepy
07/10/17 5:21:37 PM
#164:


Mal_Fet posted...
The bailout was definitively anti-capitalist.

empty rhetoric is anti-existence

thanks teaching your sheep how 2 politics, conservacucks
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Black462
07/10/17 5:34:42 PM
#165:


HylianFox posted...
Capitalism is rich people saying "Gimme, gimme, gimme!"


In exchange for money and trade, not just for free.
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GreatEvilEmpire
07/10/17 5:38:30 PM
#166:


TrevorBlack79 posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
There is a way to bring children into the discussion, but you don't bring it up as a personal attack.


She didn't do that. You're just unwilling to consider the implications when it's your own family at risk.


She made it personal. It doesn't matter how you view it, it wasn't directed toward you. I don't need to answer anything regarding them that I don't need to. Some of you guys won't be able to handle it when I start bringing up trust funds and property inheritance and the like.

You should worry about your own kids instead.
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GreatEvilEmpire
07/10/17 5:39:49 PM
#167:


Mal_Fet posted...
KiwiTerraRizing posted...
How did the Wall Street firms "earn" their bailout money?

The bailout was definitively anti-capitalist.

Thanks, Obama.


Damn right it is. It was the wrong thing to do, but it was done anyway.
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GreatEvilEmpire
07/10/17 5:49:33 PM
#168:


OpheliaAdenade posted...

Sounds like you're just desperate to avoid the implications. That's fine by me. I get how it is easier to dismiss the livelihood of other people when you don't know them, when they're just this nebulous other. When you think about how it'd effect those you care about your tune changes. That's only natural. :u


Personal responsibility. Every heard it before?

You don't ever have to worry about me. I don't expect you to and I don't need you to. The government provides enough for basic livelihoods. If people want more, work for it.

And it's 'affect', not 'effect'.
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ShinyMasamuneZ
07/10/17 6:24:11 PM
#169:


All behold the endgame of capitalism:

All menial work is automated completely eliminating the need of a working class.

Education is hyperfocused on business and entrepreeneurialism. Humanities are a thing of the past.

Anyone who has not become a CEO and millionaire [or inflated future equivalent] by the age of 30 is culled in a Logan's Run type scenario to prevent the need for a social welfare net.

Everyone is literally a millionaire. Capitalism wins!
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Panthera
07/10/17 6:31:01 PM
#170:


ShinyMasamuneZ posted...
All behold the endgame of capitalism:

All menial work is automated completely eliminating the need of a working class.

Education is hyperfocused on business and entrepreeneurialism. Humanities are a thing of the past.

Anyone who has not become a CEO and millionaire [or inflated future equivalent] by the age of 30 is culled in a Logan's Run type scenario to prevent the need for a social welfare net.

Everyone is literally a millionaire. Capitalism wins!


But then the zombie ghost of the reincarnation of Isaac Newton will buy everyone a potato and the world will know everlasting tranquility.
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KobeSystem
07/10/17 6:42:03 PM
#171:


Mal_Fet posted...
And today you're like "Greed doesn't mean to want something that belongs to someone else"


isnt this envy? >_>
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KStateKing17
07/10/17 6:53:59 PM
#172:


KobeSystem posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
And today you're like "Greed doesn't mean to want something that belongs to someone else"


isnt this envy? >_>

It is, I'm so confused with these people sometimes.
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TrevorBlack79
07/10/17 7:24:11 PM
#173:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
She made it personal


And you can't handle that because you are unwilling to consider the implications when it's your own family at risk.
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KobeSystem
07/10/17 7:44:20 PM
#174:


KStateKing17 posted...
KobeSystem posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
And today you're like "Greed doesn't mean to want something that belongs to someone else"


isnt this envy? >_>

It is, I'm so confused with these people sometimes.


it's funny (and ironic?) that he's going on about other people being bad with definitions in that same post xd
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Haldol
07/10/17 7:48:42 PM
#175:


donkeyjack posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
xM2CL6c


One of my favorite black guys ever. Him, Larry Elder, Walter E. Williams and etc.

Not surprised you'd like all the ass kissing black dudes
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GreatEvilEmpire
07/10/17 7:51:00 PM
#176:


TrevorBlack79 posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
She made it personal


And you can't handle that because you are unwilling to consider the implications when it's your own family at risk.


Like I said, worry about your own family. That's why personal responsibility is important here. I will be doing my best to take care of my family and instill them the values to take care of themselves...will you? Will you be there for them or will you run? Will you teach your children to be victims? Will you teach them to steal from people or will you rely on the government to take care of them for you? Life is a series big decisions and there are implications for everyone, not just me.

Before you push me so hard to answer questions about my family, maybe people should use the same type of effort to ask the hard questions about their own lives? Like why am I still living in my parent's basement? Why am I in such a sad state that I need Bernie Sanders to bail me out? Where did my life go wrong and how can I right it?
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TrevorBlack79
07/10/17 7:54:26 PM
#177:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Like I said, worry about your own family.


I do. I also seem to care more about your family than you do, since you are unwilling to consider the implications when it's your own family at risk.
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GreatEvilEmpire
07/10/17 7:58:09 PM
#178:


TrevorBlack79 posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Like I said, worry about your own family.


I do. I also seem to care more about your family than you do, since you are unwilling to consider the implications when it's your own family at risk.


You don't like the answers? That's too bad. It seems like you worry about my family more than your own, which makes me worry about your family.
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TrevorBlack79
07/10/17 8:02:25 PM
#179:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
You don't like the answers?


What are you talking about? I didn't ask any questions for you to answer. All I've done is observed your unwillingness to consider difficult situations involving your own family.
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GreatEvilEmpire
07/10/17 8:04:50 PM
#180:


TrevorBlack79 posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
You don't like the answers?


What are you talking about? I didn't ask any questions for you to answer. All I've done is observed your unwillingness to consider difficult situations involving your own family.


Are you going to keep shit posting? Seriously. That's all you're doing right now.
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FursonaNonGrata
07/10/17 8:05:03 PM
#181:


ShinyMasamuneZ posted...
All behold the endgame of capitalism:

All menial work is automated completely eliminating the need of a working class.

Education is hyperfocused on business and entrepreeneurialism. Humanities are a thing of the past.

Anyone who has not become a CEO and millionaire [or inflated future equivalent] by the age of 30 is culled in a Logan's Run type scenario to prevent the need for a social welfare net.

Everyone is literally a millionaire. Capitalism wins!


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BLAKUboy
07/10/17 8:05:38 PM
#182:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Are you going to keep shit posting? Seriously. That's all you're doing right now.

I guess you're talking to a mirror now?
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TrevorBlack79
07/10/17 8:16:43 PM
#183:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
You don't like the answers?


What are you talking about? I didn't ask any questions for you to answer. All I've done is observed your unwillingness to consider difficult situations involving your own family.


Are you going to keep shit posting? Seriously. That's all you're doing right now.


I'm accurately describing your behavior. How is that "shitposting?"
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Suchomimus
07/10/17 8:20:19 PM
#184:


Mal_Fet posted...
xM2CL6c


Absolutely based.
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GreatEvilEmpire
07/10/17 8:21:52 PM
#185:


TrevorBlack79 posted...

I'm accurately describing your behavior. How is that "shitposting?"


Because you are offering nothing to the topic of conversation. You're acting like a horsefly right now. That's an accurate description of your behavior.
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hockeybub89
07/10/17 8:23:40 PM
#186:


Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
I love a good dare. I am positive you would be equally sympathetic to a Holocaust survivor if they compared the nationalism and xenophobia of the Nazis to modern Republicans. You're using a Holocaust survivor as a political tool.

This holocaust survivor gives specific examples of the things Nazi Germany did. Go ahead and deny them.

Why would I deny them? You're just so far up Republican ass that you're essentially trivializing Nazi Germany. It is so fucking disingenuous to imply Nazi Germany's biggest problem was being left-wing and claiming to be for the people and to suggest all government control is inherently left-wing. Are you not a subscriber to horseshoe theory, where two extremes wind up looking very similar? Is anarchy inherently right-wing in your lizard brain? Are Muslim nations actually extreme left-wing since religion is the government and controls everything?

When was NATO founded?

Again, you would not be so sympathetic of foreigners if they compared Trump and Republicans to shit that happened in other countries, so forgive me for not being quick to side with your analysis of anything.
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TrevorBlack79
07/10/17 8:24:31 PM
#187:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Because you are offering nothing to the topic of conversation.


Nothing except accurate descriptions of your behavior, which is more than you've contributed.
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OpheliaAdenade
07/11/17 8:35:23 AM
#188:


I just love how defensive the greatevilempire got. :o

What happens when you aren't around to have "personal responsibility" over your kids? What if something unforeseeable happens? What if you wound up indisposed and couldn't care for them? What if something happened and they ended up disabled? What if they couldn't work? "Luck" isn't a factor, so they'll be held responsible for all of that. Even if they had no hand in it. The government shouldn't be there to bail them out, right?

If you can't answer the hard questions you must have some flimsy reasoning.
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Clad
07/11/17 9:20:25 AM
#189:


I feel like the only meaningful way to continue this conversation is via Skype or in a podcast format where people can talk in real time, rather than hide behind shitposts and strawmen and generalizations.
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DawkinsNumber4
07/11/17 9:22:28 AM
#190:


Socialism is intended to be part of ending starvation and poverty. The problem is the people fighting back in politics delaying everything and when authoritarians becomes in charge of it.
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Lorenzo_2003
07/11/17 12:54:00 PM
#191:


ChromaticAngel posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
xM2CL6c


This assumes they've earned that money.

A lot of them get cut checks just because.


Sowell used the word earned, but focusing on that is missing the actual message. The point is that the money belongs to someone, but someone else wants to take it. Somehow the former is considered the bad guy for wanting to be left alone and the latter is considered the morally righteous one even though he is threatening to use force to get the money.

Personally, I can agree that keeping all your money can be considered greedy. But then what do you call the person who wants to take away what you have without your permission? Envious? Entitled? A violent thief? Yeah, something like that.
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ChromaticAngel
07/11/17 9:37:35 PM
#192:


Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Sowell used the word earned, but focusing on that is missing the actual message. The point is that the money belongs to someone, but someone else wants to take it. Somehow the former is considered the bad guy for wanting to be left alone and the latter is considered the morally righteous one even though he is threatening to use force to get the money.

Personally, I can agree that keeping all your money can be considered greedy. But then what do you call the person who wants to take away what you have without your permission? Envious? Entitled? A violent thief? Yeah, something like that.


I suppose the actual message that is also missed from the other side of things is that--nobody needs half a billion dollars. Paul McCartney once took his accountant to court, accusing him of embezzling. The defense attorney said "No, Paul just doesn't know how much money he has." and to assist with his argument, the lawyer tallied up the running time of every single music CD he ever purchased in a store (He'd frequently show up and say "I want one of everything.") and found out that the total running length of music he had exceeded a human lifetime.

It's not even that they don't need the money, it's that they literally cannot even use the money unless it is deliberately spent on inefficiency and wasteful excess like gold-flake covered ice cream while other folks have lukewarm gumbo from a homeless shelter as the highlight of their day.

Like, no one is saying you shouldn't be allowed to own a golf course or something, but fucking hell let the rest of us have a slice of the pie, too, you know.
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JohnLennon6
07/11/17 10:41:08 PM
#193:


Not surprised people are using children as a way to attack the views of others.

Real fucking classy.
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JohnLennon6
07/12/17 12:16:12 AM
#194:


DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Socialism is intended to be part of ending starvation and poverty. The problem is the people fighting back in politics delaying everything and when authoritarians becomes in charge of it.

I have never seen a more wrong post.
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JohnLennon6
07/12/17 1:09:35 AM
#195:


JohnLennon6 posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Socialism is intended to be part of ending starvation and poverty. The problem is the people fighting back in politics delaying everything and when authoritarians becomes in charge of it.

I have never seen a more wrong post.

@DawkinsNumber4
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JohnLennon6
07/12/17 6:54:35 AM
#196:


OpheliaAdenade posted...
I just love how defensive the greatevilempire got. :o

What happens when you aren't around to have "personal responsibility" over your kids? What if something unforeseeable happens? What if you wound up indisposed and couldn't care for them? What if something happened and they ended up disabled? What if they couldn't work? "Luck" isn't a factor, so they'll be held responsible for all of that. Even if they had no hand in it. The government shouldn't be there to bail them out, right?

If you can't answer the hard questions you must have some flimsy reasoning.

Or you could try not being a complete dick?
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DawkinsNumber4
07/12/17 8:38:47 AM
#197:


JohnLennon6 posted...
JohnLennon6 posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Socialism is intended to be part of ending starvation and poverty. The problem is the people fighting back in politics delaying everything and when authoritarians becomes in charge of it.

I have never seen a more wrong post.

@DawkinsNumber4


"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

Many libertarian socialists believe that socialism is preferable over communism because communism takes away the personal freedoms of man but socialism more heavily relies on consent.
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JohnLennon6
07/12/17 12:31:14 PM
#198:


DawkinsNumber4 posted...
JohnLennon6 posted...
JohnLennon6 posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Socialism is intended to be part of ending starvation and poverty. The problem is the people fighting back in politics delaying everything and when authoritarians becomes in charge of it.

I have never seen a more wrong post.

@DawkinsNumber4


"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

Many libertarian socialists believe that socialism is preferable over communism because communism takes away the personal freedoms of man but socialism more heavily relies on consent.

Why does it need to be either socialism or communism?
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DawkinsNumber4
07/12/17 6:35:44 PM
#199:


JohnLennon6 posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
JohnLennon6 posted...
JohnLennon6 posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Socialism is intended to be part of ending starvation and poverty. The problem is the people fighting back in politics delaying everything and when authoritarians becomes in charge of it.

I have never seen a more wrong post.

@DawkinsNumber4


"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

Many libertarian socialists believe that socialism is preferable over communism because communism takes away the personal freedoms of man but socialism more heavily relies on consent.

Why does it need to be either socialism or communism?



Socialism can exist in a consent based society, communism can't because it requires a centralized control of the resources.
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DawkinsNumber4
07/12/17 6:35:56 PM
#200:


JohnLennon6 posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
JohnLennon6 posted...
JohnLennon6 posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Socialism is intended to be part of ending starvation and poverty. The problem is the people fighting back in politics delaying everything and when authoritarians becomes in charge of it.

I have never seen a more wrong post.

@DawkinsNumber4


"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

Many libertarian socialists believe that socialism is preferable over communism because communism takes away the personal freedoms of man but socialism more heavily relies on consent.

Why does it need to be either socialism or communism?



Socialism can exist in a consent based society, communism can't because it requires a centralized control of the resources, aka, no free market.
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ZMythos
07/12/17 6:54:01 PM
#201:


that damn socialism and not allowing me to put lead in my gasoline or hire impoverished children for pennies on the dollar

That damn socialism and it's protecting my properties and paving roads that i drove on and making sure i dont die of chemicals in my food that's deemed safe to eat by scientists
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JohnLennon6
07/12/17 8:08:45 PM
#202:


ZMythos posted...
that damn socialism and not allowing me to put lead in my gasoline or hire impoverished children for pennies on the dollar

That damn socialism and it's protecting my properties and paving roads that i drove on and making sure i dont die of chemicals in my food that's deemed safe to eat by scientists

How old are you?
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