Current Events > Some ramdom lady disrespects our United States President

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Asherlee10 posted...

What the woman did wasn't a wrong. As this has already been explained to you.

I don't agree that "It's okay to be disrespectful if you think someone else is a meanie." is not a wrong.

All disrespect is disrespect.

It's not okay to punch me because you think I may have punched Tom Jones or at least wanted to.



Asherlee10 posted...

Trump is disrespectful. That is followed by people who, in turn, do not offer up respect.

That's

1. An opinion.

2. A bad thing.

Don't stoop to the same level.

A guy respectfully extends his hand to you, you're disrespectful if you don't shake it.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

What the woman did wasn't a wrong. As this has already been explained to you.

I don't agree that "It's okay to be disrespectful if you think someone else is a meanie." is not a wrong.

All disrespect is disrespect.

It's not okay to punch me because you think I may have punched Tom Jones or at least wanted to.



Asherlee10 posted...

Trump is disrespectful. That is followed by people who, in turn, do not offer up respect.

That's

1. An opinion.

2. A bad thing.

Don't stoop to the same level.

A guy respectfully extends his hand to you, you're disrespectful if you don't shake it.

This. But it was me, I wouldn't care about it being disrespectful and I wouldn't shake his hand either
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MattSFfrd posted...

she went for Melania while she though trump and the other dude were still talking and shaking hands, it's not like she looked right him and refused to shake his hand. she shook his right after.

Was going to suggest this. It's somewhat hard to tell but it does at least appear that she only went for Melania's hand because she saw that Trump was shaking the other guys hand already. By the time he put his hand out for her, she had already fixated on approaching/shaking Melania's hand. and didn't even look down to see his hand.
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Twin3Turbo posted...

MattSFfrd posted...

she went for Melania while she though trump and the other dude were still talking and shaking hands, it's not like she looked right him and refused to shake his hand. she shook his right after.

Was going to suggest this. It's somewhat hard to tell but it does at least appear that she only went for Melania's hand because she saw that Trump was shaking the other guys hand already. By the time he put his hand out for her, she had already fixated on approaching/shaking Melania's hand. and didn't even look down to see his hand.

While this is certainly the truth of the matter, this topic doesn't seem to be about that anymore.

Asherlee10 posted...

Even you said that when someone is disrespectful, they won't get respect. Trump is disrespectful. Regardless or not if he is "a meanie" as you put it. This is about respect, and he is not respectful. It isn't any more complicated than that.

In this situation he WAS being respectful.

By your token of logic it would be reasonable for a best man to shun the groom and storm off at a wedding if the groom was disrespectful 5 years ago.

I don't agree with your assertion that if you disagree with someone it's okay to disrespect them later. I think that's a bad thing and perpetuates disrespect. Regardless of what Humpy Trumpy has said in other contexts

Asherlee10 posted...

So, it's okay for YOU to be the ultimate judge of who is respectful and who isn't?

While gray areas exist I don't acccept that refusing to shake the hand of someone warmly extending it to you at a diplomatic function is a gray area. I think that's pretty clear cut

GOATSLAYER posted...

This. But it was me, I wouldn't care about it being disrespectful and I wouldn't shake his hand either

And that's a bad thing, not something to be proud of.
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C/D you'd shake UnfairRepresent's hand if he extended it
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Asherlee10 posted...

Context matters.

I completely agree and the context here was Trump was being warm, respectful and friendly at a diplomatic function.

He is continually disrespectful and it is relevant to women at this very moment.

And so critique him for it. Don't perpetuate it.

You don't get a pass because you were suddenly not a dickhead for 5 minutes.

Who said anything about "A pass" I'm saying don't be a jerk.

How did your parents tell you to handle people who disagree with you at school? Because I garantee they did not tell you to disrespect and insult them because they're meanies. They told you to be better.

I haven't made that assertion. I said that if you are not respectful, you are often not going to met with respect in return. Those were even YOUR words.

In this scenario he was respectful.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

In this scenario he was respectful.

You can't disconnect trump from what he has done in the past. You don't just get to examine every single situation like it's a blank slate. He is the accumulation of everything that he has done - every person is.
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Whether or not they should expect it is one thing, but it's still a bad thing to disrespect people.

If a guy says he thinks Jews are smelly and then dances in front of a synagogue there's a chance he might get blasted in the back of the head with a baseball bat. That doesn't make it an okay thing to do. Even if you expect it to happen.

The lady was being disrespectful to someone being respectful towards her and that is a bad thing.

Well we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Respectfully ironically.
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There is a difference between being disrespectful and having no respect for someone. Trump is disrespectful. It causes people to lose respect for them. Those people don't need to go out of their way to humor him if they don't respect him. If she really didn't want to shake his hand because she doesnt respect him there is nothing wrong with that. Now if she spit in his face or made a rude comment in place of the handshake I would understand your point. There is no expectation of a hand shake.

NeoShadowhen posted...

Twin3Turbo posted...

MattSFfrd posted...

she went for Melania while she though trump and the other dude were still talking and shaking hands, it's not like she looked right him and refused to shake his hand. she shook his right after.

Was going to suggest this. It's somewhat hard to tell but it does at least appear that she only went for Melania's hand because she saw that Trump was shaking the other guys hand already. By the time he put his hand out for her, she had already fixated on approaching/shaking Melania's hand. and didn't even look down to see his hand.

While this is certainly the truth of the matter, this topic doesn't seem to be about that anymore.

truth doesn't make very good CE topics i guess
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Despite the fact that she still shook his hand second, it was still a snub. She clearly went past him when he had his arm extended.

The point is that people like Unfair don't consider Trumps comments about women disrespectful and boil it down to "different politics" or "thinking he's a meanie". And thus think that people should be cordial to him when they meet him.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

That is pretty disrespectful

Often times, you've gotta give respect to get it.

Trump extended his hand

So what
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_Near_ posted...

Despite the fact that she still shook his hand second, it was still a snub. She clearly went past him when he had his arm extended.

Right. and by the time he started extending his arm, she had already fixated on Melania and didn't look down to see his hand extended. If she really wanted to snub him, she would not have shook his and at all, which she apparently did right afterward.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

There is a difference between being disrespectful and having no respect for someone

What's the difference?

_Near_ posted...

The point is that people like Unfair don't consider Trumps comments about women disrespectful

"You disagree with me, therefore you are sexist and support the terrorists."

Stellar logic from the crew that says it's a good thing to be disrespectful to people if you disagree with them.

Kim Kusanagi posted...

So what

So he was being warm and respectful to her and she was disrespectful to him in return.

That's bad
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UnfairRepresent posted...

So he was being warm and respectful to her and she was disrespectful to him in return.

He's never been respectful to anyone.

Respect isn't like candy in a bowl.

You gotta earn it and he hasn't.
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Kim Kusanagi posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

So he was being warm and respectful to her and she was disrespectful to him in return.

He's never been respectful to anyone.

Respect isn't like candy in a bowl.

You gotta earn it and he hasn't.

Trumpeters don't get it
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Kim Kusanagi posted...

He's never been respectful to anyone.

He was respectful to this lady

Kim Kusanagi posted...

You gotta earn it and he hasn't.

So since we've never met I should be disrespectful to you until you prove your worth to me?

That's utter nonsense.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

So since we've never met I should be disrespectful to you until you prove your worth to me?

Well you're doing it right now.

But the thing here is, you should respect me because I'm just plain a superior being.
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I never called you sexist unfair

But you seem to be in a rush to call yourself that

Watch out, your strawmen are revealing your true nature
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_Near_ posted...

I never called you sexist unfair

_Near_ posted...

The point is that people like Unfair don't consider Trumps comments about women disrespectful

Kim Kusanagi posted...

Well you're doing it right now.

But the thing here is, you should respect me because I'm just plain a superior being.

This seems to be the common thread of the arguments you people produce.

No actual logic just "It's okay for me to disrespectful because I am superior." in honeyed words.

Just think how your parents would feel about you advocating being disrespectful towards people you disagree with
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if you consider that being sexist, then you are sexist - because I was right.
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"You disagree with me, therefore you are sexist and support the terrorists."

Stellar logic from the crew that says it's a good thing to be disrespectful to people if you disagree with them.
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Someone post the gif again it's gone now
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Can really tell who's bias and only wants to see what supports their bias in this topic.

She clearly is looking at Melania because Trump is already shaking the other dudes hand but of course most people don't see that because they only wanna talk shit about Trump.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

"and support the terrorists."

lol I love you

youre like the shitposter supreme
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UnfairRepresent posted...

_Near_ posted...

I never called you sexist unfair

_Near_ posted...

The point is that people like Unfair don't consider Trumps comments about women disrespectful

Kim Kusanagi posted...

Well you're doing it right now.

But the thing here is, you should respect me because I'm just plain a superior being.

This seems to be the common thread of the arguments you people produce.

No actual logic just "It's okay for me to disrespectful because I am superior." in honeyed words.

Just think how your parents would feel about you advocating being disrespectful towards people you disagree with

They don't worry because I'm a grown ass guy
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Asherlee10 posted...

I'm not sure why you don't seem to grasp this, but this isn't about disagreeing with Trump. It's about Trump being disrespectful and people do not generally give respect to people who are disrespectful.

Because Trump wasn't being disrespectful to the lady.

Your argument for him being disrespectful is "He has done things I don't agree with. Therefore it's good to be a dick to him when he is being respectful to you."

And I don't agree with you on that. And I don't think you would like it if that's how people treated you.


Kim Kusanagi posted...

They don't worry because I'm a grown ass guy

That makes it worse, not better.

A grown ass guy who thinks like a badly behaved 7 year old only child is a bad thing.

You're literally advocating disrespecting people you don't know and then going "It's okay because I am superior to them" and then saying you're a grown ass guy?

You do know a lot of parents would spank a child who said that?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

You're literally advocating disrespecting people you don't know

I disrespect almost everyone unless they prove their mettle.
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You guys do know that it is extremely uncustomary for men to initiate handshakes to women in Poland right (it's the opposite where woman initiates the handshake).

Ya'll need to travel more.
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Kim Kusanagi posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

You're literally advocating disrespecting people you don't know

I disrespect almost everyone

and that is sad, horrible, childish, rude and pathetic.

This is the side you are agreeing with asherlee. I think your resentment for trump is clouding your judgement.


Asherlee10 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Because Trump wasn't being disrespectful to the lady.

Your argument for him being disrespectful is "He has done things I don't agree with. Therefore it's good to be a dick to him when he is being respectful to you."

And I don't agree with you on that. And I don't think you would like it if that's how people treated you.

As this was already explained to you (a common trend in this topic), people aren't just walking around with clean slates. Trump is continually disrespectful to people, particularly women on a regular basis. Just because this is 1 single instance that he wasn't an asshat, doesn't mean anything.

And no, my argument is not "he is disrespectful because he's done things I don't agree with." It has nothing to do with whether I agree with his actions or not. It is VERY black and white his level of disrespect.

If I was continually disrespectful to people, I would probably be a jackass and wouldn't care what anyone else was doing. On that note, my personal experience is irrelevant.

At this point I think you are feigning ignorance.

I don't agree.

All you're doing is saying your opinion on him is objective and therefore it's okay to be a jerk to him.

I think that's wrong. And childish.

I also disagree with trump and 100 million other Americans who oppose giving women rights to their own body.

I do not believe that gives me full authority to be a sick when he is trying to be respectful to me.

Tell putting aside now childish it is for a moment how would you ever change anyone's mind like that?


If I responded to you people by going "ur all dumb bitches! " ignored you and then ran off to a group who just agreed with me. How could I possibly ever succeed in changing your mind about disrespecting people? Tell it's make me a hypocrite.

Think it over
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Asherlee10 posted...

I think you are intentionally being dense.

Welcome to talking to UnfairRespresent. Would you like to try the combo meal?
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So @UnfairRepresent

You actually would respect a known ass?

Don't be so headlowering. That's even sadder, more disgusting and pathletic.
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Asherlee10 posted...

I think you are intentionally being dense.

If you do not respect other people, you will often not get respect back. Trump is disrespectful. This isn't about agreeing or disagreeing with Trump for fuck sake.

This is bogus logic though he was respectful to her.

So by your logic because "He was direspectful at somepoint IMO" it's okay for her to disrespect him, so therefore if I met her now its okay for me to disrespect her because she disrespected him.

And then if you met me it's okay to disrespect me because I disrespected her because she disrespected Trump becaise he disrespeted someone.

And then if Ted Danson met you it would be okay to disrespect you because you disrespect me because I disrespected her because she disrespected Trump becaise he disrespeted someone.

And then if Ted Danson met @legendary_zell it would be okay to etc etc.

That's not how logic works. You don't go around openly disrespecting people because you disagree with them.

That's not how good natured people treat each other. That's how "Two wrongs make a right DAD" childish eye for an eye Christians treat each other.

Kim Kusanagi posted...

So @UnfairRepresent

You actually would respect a known ass?.

Yes if we met and you extended your hand warmly I would shake it.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Yes if we met and you extended your hand warmly I would shake it.

Kim Kusanagi posted...

Don't be so headlowering. That's even sadder, more disgusting and pathletic.

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