Current Events > Military the newest victim of transgender political correctness

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L0Z posted...

It is caused by a misshapen or irregular hypothalamus. Stop trying to use the military as a social experiment. Tax payers should not pay for these people with misshapen hypothalamuses to have gender changes

We use tax payer dollars to fix other sorts of problems...
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Well the problem is in a small part of the brain not the body. The body did nothing wrong

L0Z posted...

Well the problem is in a small part of the brain not the body. The body did nothing wrong

The brain is a part of your body... the brain is a bodily organ...
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We had a class on this month ago already. Nobody cared except one black dude who didn't know there was a difference between sex and gender and I had to explain to him lol

There was a couple females that didn't like that the army would pay for gender reassignment therapy because they didn't think it was fair the army doesn't pay for elective surgeries they would want.
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from websters

Definition of body

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the main part of a plant or animal body especially as distinguished from limbs and head
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L0Z posted...

from websters

Definition of body

plural
bodies


1
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the main part of a plant or animal body especially as distinguished from limbs and head
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I don't know what you're trying to say here. The brain is an organ in your body.
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neck down to the waist definition of body. Not the anatomy term body

OpheliaAdenade posted...

Callixtus posted...

A small group of people shouldn't be able to redefine how an entire society defines manhood and womanhood, but that is exactly what we have done. In the case of the military, this nonsense may end up reducing effectiveness and costing lives, just like the integration of women into the armed forces solely to please a political correctness-obsessed minority.

You honestly don't think letting women serve is a good thing? My goodness, you're a nutcake.

No, not in combat roles.

There are plenty of people that agree on that part.

https://warontherocks.com/2014/11/heres-why-women-in-combat-units-is-a-bad-idea/
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420826/women-in-combat-military-effectiveness-deadly-pentagon
http://www.businessinsider.com/unintended-consequences-of-women-in-combat-2016-1
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/19/problems-women-combat-cant-be-mitigated-report/
https://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/blog/2012/07/05/get-over-it-we-are-not-all-created-equal
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How much of actual combat relies on brute strength anyway? We're not over there boxing the enemy. I'd think that as long as you can carry your gear it doesn't matter how many pushups you can do.
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people here are really underestimating how weak women's arms are. I know a powerlifter girl that can squat like 300+ and deadlift 400 but can only bench 180. Even I can do more than that on bench.

most 20-30 year old women probably can't even do more than 6-7 pushups right now. Even an out of shape dude could probably get 20 easily.
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eston posted...

How much of actual combat relies on brute strength anyway? We're not over there boxing the enemy. I'd think that as long as you can carry your gear it doesn't matter how many pushups you can do.

A lot actually? You know how hard it is to carry or drag a teammate? Its brutal. And carrying your gear can be a lot of the problem. It's hard enough for guys to carry a SAW for hours and days at a time with hundreds of rounds with drums. Full Kevlar and everything.

Every unit I have ever been with never assigns a SAW to a woman
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eston posted...

How much of actual combat relies on brute strength anyway? We're not over there boxing the enemy. I'd think that as long as you can carry your gear it doesn't matter how many pushups you can do.

It's about endurance. Being able to move from place to place quickly and carry a large pack with the possibility of carrying wounded.
Most combat is over quickly but you could be actively fighting for hours in extreme circumstances.
That is the current way anyway. IED followed by ambush followed by direct fire followed by the attackers running away when fire is returned.
Every circumstance is different.
Also ground patrols. Marching for a long time with tons of gear.
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Callixtus posted...

OpheliaAdenade posted...

Callixtus posted...

A small group of people shouldn't be able to redefine how an entire society defines manhood and womanhood, but that is exactly what we have done. In the case of the military, this nonsense may end up reducing effectiveness and costing lives, just like the integration of women into the armed forces solely to please a political correctness-obsessed minority.

You honestly don't think letting women serve is a good thing? My goodness, you're a nutcake.

No, not in combat roles.

There are plenty of people that agree on that part.

https://warontherocks.com/2014/11/heres-why-women-in-combat-units-is-a-bad-idea/
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420826/women-in-combat-military-effectiveness-deadly-pentagon
http://www.businessinsider.com/unintended-consequences-of-women-in-combat-2016-1
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/19/problems-women-combat-cant-be-mitigated-report/
https://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/blog/2012/07/05/get-over-it-we-are-not-all-created-equal

There are different things that women could excel at in the army though. Of course women aren't going to be ideal for frontline infantry.
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

So this will be the excuse when Republicans get involved in another war they don't win?

Lol, has the anti-war left woken up from their 8 year long coma?

Another example there's a recent article that I read this week. The first women passed ranger school. They were given a 2 week prep course not available to men. They were also given extra time and chances to complete courses and able to study.

As a man I would be given obstacle A then 2 minutes later go start it. The women would get a week of training. If I fail I'm done with ranger school. If a woman failed they were allowed retries and eventually a recycle to an earlier week.

I'm all for women in any role as long it's equal. Wtf kinda bullshit is that. You aren't gonna get prep time or chances on someone's life
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darkprince45 posted...

Another example there's a recent article that I read this week. The first women passed ranger school. They were given a 2 week prep course not available to men. They were also given extra time and chances to complete courses and able to study.

As a man I would be given obstacle A then 2 minutes later go start it. The women would get a week of training. If I fail I'm done with ranger school. If a woman failed they were allowed retries and eventually a recycle to an earlier week.

I'm all for women in any role as long it's equal. Wtf kinda bullshit is that. You aren't gonna get prep time or chances on someone's life

How many Rangers does it take to change a light bulb?
10. 1 to change the bulb and 9 to tell you how hard Ranger school is.

Sounds like they wanted an article and to look progressive. Ranger school is no joke.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

Callixtus posted...

OpheliaAdenade posted...

Callixtus posted...

A small group of people shouldn't be able to redefine how an entire society defines manhood and womanhood, but that is exactly what we have done. In the case of the military, this nonsense may end up reducing effectiveness and costing lives, just like the integration of women into the armed forces solely to please a political correctness-obsessed minority.

You honestly don't think letting women serve is a good thing? My goodness, you're a nutcake.

No, not in combat roles.

There are plenty of people that agree on that part.

https://warontherocks.com/2014/11/heres-why-women-in-combat-units-is-a-bad-idea/
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420826/women-in-combat-military-effectiveness-deadly-pentagon
http://www.businessinsider.com/unintended-consequences-of-women-in-combat-2016-1
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/19/problems-women-combat-cant-be-mitigated-report/
https://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/blog/2012/07/05/get-over-it-we-are-not-all-created-equal

There are different things that women could excel at in the army though. Of course women aren't going to be ideal for frontline infantry.

And yet vocal minorities have sought and attained exactly that.
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Melonfarms posted...

darkprince45 posted...

Another example there's a recent article that I read this week. The first women passed ranger school. They were given a 2 week prep course not available to men. They were also given extra time and chances to complete courses and able to study.

As a man I would be given obstacle A then 2 minutes later go start it. The women would get a week of training. If I fail I'm done with ranger school. If a woman failed they were allowed retries and eventually a recycle to an earlier week.

I'm all for women in any role as long it's equal. Wtf kinda bullshit is that. You aren't gonna get prep time or chances on someone's life

How many Rangers does it take to change a light bulb?
10. 1 to change the bulb and 9 to tell you how hard Ranger school is.

Sounds like they wanted an article and to look progressive. Ranger school is no joke.

I think basically admitted that. They weren't going to let at least 1 fail
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Callixtus posted...

And yet vocal minorities have sought and attained exactly that.

Well, that was a mess up.

But I don't see how that has anything to do with transgender people in the military.
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TC, show me on the doll where the trans person touched you... seriously, you're getting to DH levels of obsessed here.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

Callixtus posted...

And yet vocal minorities have sought and attained exactly that.

Well, that was a mess up.

But I don't see how that has anything to do with transgender people in the military.

Well including women was just one of the first steps in the diminishing of standards in the military. Now we may very well have people with male anatomy, held to the already diminished standards of women. In addition, transpeople may very well cause all sorts of cohesion issues and lead to a rise in sexual assaults in an already sexual-assault plagued military.
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Callixtus posted...

Well including women was just one of the first steps in the diminishing of standards in the military. Now we may very well have people with male anatomy, held to the already diminished standards of women. In addition, transpeople may very well cause all sorts of cohesion issues and lead to a rise in sexual assaults in an already sexual-assault plagued military.

Trans people make up like, less than 1 percent of the population. There aren't going to be very many that make it into the military to begin with.

And if they're held to the standards of the gender that they identity as, they're still going to end up physically where they belong. I think you're making a bigger deal out of this than you need to. The sky isn't falling.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

Callixtus posted...

Well including women was just one of the first steps in the diminishing of standards in the military. Now we may very well have people with male anatomy, held to the already diminished standards of women. In addition, transpeople may very well cause all sorts of cohesion issues and lead to a rise in sexual assaults in an already sexual-assault plagued military.

Trans people make up like, less than 1 percent of the population. There aren't going to be very many that make it into the military to begin with.

And if they're held to the standards of the gender that they identity as, they're still going to end up physically where they belong. I think you're making a bigger deal out of this than you need to. The sky isn't falling.

No one said the sky is falling. But how many lives are you willing to sacrifice in order to appease transfundamentalists? If even one person dies because we lowered standards for women, and males who identify as women, then that is already too many for me.
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Callixtus posted...

No one said the sky is falling. But how many lives are you willing to sacrifice in order to appease transfundamentalists? If even one person dies because we lowered standards for women, and males who identify as women, then that is already too many for me.

They've never said anything about lowering standards for men or women though, have they? They're just going to be held to the standards of what they identify as.
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Callixtus posted...

For a soldier to officially change gender requires only some paperwork. A military doctor or civilian medical professional must certify that the transgender person has achieved “stability in the preferred gender” and the soldier must change the gender designation on the soldier’s passport or birth certificate. From that point on, the transgender soldier is “expected to adhere to all military standards associated with their gender,” and “use the billeting, bathroom and shower facilities” of their new gender.

Fair, next. But idiots will continue to believe their fantasy world where men apparently just say they are women and get a bunch of special treatment, including sexually abusing women in bathrooms with impunity.
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darkprince45 posted...

Another example there's a recent article that I read this week. The first women passed ranger school. They were given a 2 week prep course not available to men. They were also given extra time and chances to complete courses and able to study.

As a man I would be given obstacle A then 2 minutes later go start it. The women would get a week of training. If I fail I'm done with ranger school. If a woman failed they were allowed retries and eventually a recycle to an earlier week.

I'm all for women in any role as long it's equal. Wtf kinda bullshit is that. You aren't gonna get prep time or chances on someone's life

I want to say that the women that were the first to pass ranger school had a year to train. That is an entire year to focus on getting physically fit and study to make sure they could pass the Pre Ranger course standards.

Never heard of a male getting an entire year off to prep for ranger school. You want to go get tabbed you better prep on your own time.

OpheliaAdenade posted...

Callixtus posted...

No one said the sky is falling. But how many lives are you willing to sacrifice in order to appease transfundamentalists? If even one person dies because we lowered standards for women, and males who identify as women, then that is already too many for me.

They've never said anything about lowering standards for men or women though, have they? They're just going to be held to the standards of what they identify as.

The standards for women are already lowered. They don't have to meet the same strength qualifications as men. Not to mention the vast majority of physically fit women are physically inferior in a variety of metrics compared to the vast majority of physically fit men. So holding male anatomy soldiers to the physical standards of female anatomy soldiers in specific cases is in fact perpetuating and expanding what is already an irrational, and even dangerous, lowering of standards.

There is simply no need for females in combat units. We are a country of 300 million+ with some of the highest manpower reserves in the world. Yet, we are putting lives of both men and women in danger in pursuit of progressive social engineering, and doubling down on it by even allowing some male-bodied soldiers to meet standards below other male-bodied soldiers on the basis of nothing except that the soldiers claim they are a woman subjectively.
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Gender dysphoria has a DSM code. Therefore, it is a mental illness. Discharge?

C7D posted...

Gender dysphoria has a DSM code. Therefore, it is a mental illness. Discharge?

Used to be. When I was in you couldn't join if you had it because it was classified as a mental illness. If we're talking about this it means it's not anymore.
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tennisdude818 posted...

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

So this will be the excuse when Republicans get involved in another war they don't win?

Lol, has the anti-war left woken up from their 8 year long coma?

We've been wasting money and lives on Afghanistan for 16 years. Israel has been at endless war but for some reason Republicans feel all we need is a conservative in power to finally get them to give up.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

They've never said anything about lowering standards for men or women though, have they? They're just going to be held to the standards of what they identify as.

Which lies part of the problem. If a male wants to join, knowing full well female standards aren't as high, then he could eventually transition and then have a great PT score based on female standards. Why? Despite claiming to idenfity as a female, physically their body is still male. They will immediately benefit from a higher PT score because push ups and the 2 mile-run have much lower standards for females. Sit-ups are mostly on par with males. For example, a male scoring the bare minimum of 180 would end up being 238 for a female. That could be a difference of continuing to serve or being chaptered out for failure to meet PT standards.
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Fossil posted...

OpheliaAdenade posted...

They've never said anything about lowering standards for men or women though, have they? They're just going to be held to the standards of what they identify as.

Which lies part of the problem. If a male wants to join, knowing full well female standards aren't as high, then he could eventually transition and then have a great PT score based on female standards. Why? Despite claiming to idenfity as a female, physically their body is still male. They will immediately benefit from a higher PT score because push ups and the 2 mile-run have much lower standards for females. Sit-ups are mostly on par with males. For example, a male scoring the bare minimum of 180 would end up being 238 for a female. That could be a difference of continuing to serve or being chaptered out for failure to meet PT standards.

I doubt someone wants to be in the army that badly. People always like to make up bullshit strawmen when it comes to trangenders like middle schoolers having rampant sex in bathrooms.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

I doubt someone wants to be in the army that badly.

wanna bet
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Flasbangs posted...

Why is it only on the internet you ever hear about this stupid gender shit? It's like it doesn't exist in real life.

Because in real life people go, "Okay" and move on. How does this effect the military's capabilities in one bit? It doesn't. How does it effect the average man on the street one bit? It doesn't. All it does it make it easier to recruit possible soldiers who are transgender, which is a net positive for both the military and the people who want to join but feel their gender might endanger it.

But no, the military is somehow a victim in all this, and it's some sort of ideological war that is a personal attack on anyone who is offended. Meanwhile, those same people won't shut up about how everyone they hate is just easily offended and how they bully people and how bullying builds character but not when it's directed at them, and all that hypocritical fun.

OpheliaAdenade posted...

I think if they're going to be fighting and dying for the country, we could at least respect their wishes in regards to their gender.

If you're going to join the military, your wishes go out the window.
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Dash_Harber posted...

Flasbangs posted...

Why is it only on the internet you ever hear about this stupid gender shit? It's like it doesn't exist in real life.

Because in real life people go, "Okay" and move on. How does this effect the military's capabilities in one bit? It doesn't. How does it effect the average man on the street one bit? It doesn't. All it does it make it easier to recruit possible soldiers who are transgender, which is a net positive for both the military and the people who want to join but feel their gender might endanger it.

But no, the military is somehow a victim in all this, and it's some sort of ideological war that is a personal attack on anyone who is offended. Meanwhile, those same people won't shut up about how everyone they hate is just easily offended and how they bully people and how bullying builds character but not when it's directed at them, and all that hypocritical fun.

Actually it lowers the standards for certain male-anatomy recruits which may very well result in lives lost by entrenching lower standards. Furthermore, we can not underestimate the effects this could have on uniy cohesion and morale. Will it result in many more deaths? Probably not. But how many lives are you willing to trade in order to have male-bodied individuals subject to lowered female standards just to satisfy the gender brigade?
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Callixtus posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Flasbangs posted...

Why is it only on the internet you ever hear about this stupid gender shit? It's like it doesn't exist in real life.

Because in real life people go, "Okay" and move on. How does this effect the military's capabilities in one bit? It doesn't. How does it effect the average man on the street one bit? It doesn't. All it does it make it easier to recruit possible soldiers who are transgender, which is a net positive for both the military and the people who want to join but feel their gender might endanger it.

But no, the military is somehow a victim in all this, and it's some sort of ideological war that is a personal attack on anyone who is offended. Meanwhile, those same people won't shut up about how everyone they hate is just easily offended and how they bully people and how bullying builds character but not when it's directed at them, and all that hypocritical fun.

Actually it lowers the standards for certain male-anatomy recruits which may very well result in lives lost by entrenching lower standards. Furthermore, we can not underestimate the effects this could have on uniy cohesion and morale. Will it result in many more deaths? Probably not. But how many lives are you willing to trade in order to have male-bodied individuals subject to lowered female standards just to satisfy the gender brigade?

Which requirements, specifically? And how does that directly risk lives? And do you personally believe that people will randomly switch genders in order to pass tests they couldn't in the first place and take all the heat and problems that come with that?

Dash_Harber posted...

Callixtus posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Flasbangs posted...

Why is it only on the internet you ever hear about this stupid gender shit? It's like it doesn't exist in real life.

Because in real life people go, "Okay" and move on. How does this effect the military's capabilities in one bit? It doesn't. How does it effect the average man on the street one bit? It doesn't. All it does it make it easier to recruit possible soldiers who are transgender, which is a net positive for both the military and the people who want to join but feel their gender might endanger it.

But no, the military is somehow a victim in all this, and it's some sort of ideological war that is a personal attack on anyone who is offended. Meanwhile, those same people won't shut up about how everyone they hate is just easily offended and how they bully people and how bullying builds character but not when it's directed at them, and all that hypocritical fun.

Actually it lowers the standards for certain male-anatomy recruits which may very well result in lives lost by entrenching lower standards. Furthermore, we can not underestimate the effects this could have on uniy cohesion and morale. Will it result in many more deaths? Probably not. But how many lives are you willing to trade in order to have male-bodied individuals subject to lowered female standards just to satisfy the gender brigade?

Which requirements, specifically? And how does that directly risk lives? And do you personally believe that people will randomly switch genders in order to pass tests they couldn't in the first place and take all the heat and problems that come with that?

Women do not have to meet the same physical requirements as men, which absolutely has real world effects. Women, for example, will struggle to carry equipment or wounded soldiers in intense situations, where a man would not struggle nearly as much. Now we'll have male bodied individuals who wont even be held to the same standards as every other male soldier. Yes, I do think that will result in less effective units and potentially more deaths. It doesn't matter if people will randomly switch genders. But yes I do think someone will. But the point is still that just as integrating women into combat positions is a terrible idea, this development is another terrible idea that lowers the quality of the armed forces in pursuit of social engineering.
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Callixtus posted...

Women do not have to meet the same physical requirements as men, which absolutely has real worlx effects.

Do you have some specific examples?

Callixtus posted...

But yes I do think someone will.

So, instead of punishing wrong doers, you think we should just punish everyone?

As far as women go, studies seem to be conflicting and simply saying "Women are weaker" is actually wrong since strength is defined in a number of important ways (but that is a bit off-topic);
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/11/the-weaker-sex-science-that-shows-women-are-stronger-than-men

I've already posted several links in this topic about how women's physical inferiority has negative combat implications. I'm not reposting them all.

I dont even have to read you link to know that its not disputing basic biological facts regarding men's superior strength and endurance, not to mention speed and tolerance for pain. This is common sense.
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Fossil posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

I doubt someone wants to be in the army that badly.

wanna bet

I never got any proof of rampant sex in school bathrooms. If someone does go that far the female officers will have deal with the occasional schlong and the army gets a new female soldier. Not really the worst thing.
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Women injured more frequently, and shoot less accurately.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/09/10/marine-experiment-finds-women-get-injured-more-frequently-shoot-less-accurately-than-men/

Units comprising all men also were faster than units with women while completing tactical movements in combat situations, especially in units with large crew-served weapons like heavy machine guns and mortars, the study found.

Infantry squads comprising men only also had better accuracy than squads with women in them, with notable difference between genders for every individual weapons system used by infantry rifleman units. They include the M4 carbine, the M27 infantry automatic rifle (IAR) and the M203, a single-shot grenade launcher mounted to rifles, the study found.

The research also found that male Marines who have not received infantry training were still more accurate using firearms than women who have. And in removing wounded troops from the battlefield, there were notable differences in execution times between all-male and gender-integrated groups, with the exception being when a single person most often a male Marine carried someone away, the study found.

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Flasbangs posted...

Why is it only on the internet you ever hear about this stupid gender shit? It's like it doesn't exist in real life.

Because it's a very small group that really pushes this stuff. Those who are against it and act like it taking over the country do more to spread this shit around than the actual people do. Case in point, this topic.

TheVipaGTS posted...

Flasbangs posted...

Why is it only on the internet you ever hear about this stupid gender shit? It's like it doesn't exist in real life.

Because it's a very small group that really pushes this stuff. Those who are against it and act like it taking over the country do more to spread this shit around than the actual people do. Case in point, this topic.

Or perhaps you people are so blind to the fact that a vocal minority has infected every branch of our society with their disgusting ideology that you fail to even notice that lives will be lost because of it.
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Dash_Harber posted...

How does this effect the military's capabilities in one bit?

Spoken like a true civilian.

Webmaster4531 posted...

I never got any proof of rampant sex in school bathrooms.

Good thing your doubts don't require any.
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Fossil posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

I never got any proof of rampant sex in school bathrooms.

Good thing your doubts don't require any.

You convinced me vaccines do cause autism.
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Dash_Harber posted...

Flasbangs posted...

Why is it only on the internet you ever hear about this stupid gender shit? It's like it doesn't exist in real life.

Because in real life people go, "Okay" and move on. How does this effect the military's capabilities in one bit? It doesn't. How does it effect the average man on the street one bit? It doesn't. All it does it make it easier to recruit possible soldiers who are transgender, which is a net positive for both the military and the people who want to join but feel their gender might endanger it.

But no, the military is somehow a victim in all this, and it's some sort of ideological war that is a personal attack on anyone who is offended. Meanwhile, those same people won't shut up about how everyone they hate is just easily offended and how they bully people and how bullying builds character but not when it's directed at them, and all that hypocritical fun.

/topic

Axiom posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Flasbangs posted...

Why is it only on the internet you ever hear about this stupid gender shit? It's like it doesn't exist in real life.

Because in real life people go, "Okay" and move on. How does this effect the military's capabilities in one bit? It doesn't. How does it effect the average man on the street one bit? It doesn't. All it does it make it easier to recruit possible soldiers who are transgender, which is a net positive for both the military and the people who want to join but feel their gender might endanger it.

But no, the military is somehow a victim in all this, and it's some sort of ideological war that is a personal attack on anyone who is offended. Meanwhile, those same people won't shut up about how everyone they hate is just easily offended and how they bully people and how bullying builds character but not when it's directed at them, and all that hypocritical fun.

/topic

How is it /topic when I've literally posted a link of a study conducted by the military which shows all sorts of bad results from lowering standards to admit women? And now we're lowering them for certain male-bodied individuals too? People will literally die because of these decisions.
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