Current Events > I wonder why can't we just make cigerattes illegal

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"And why draw the line at smoking? Why not make obesity a crime too because obese people have more health problems and are a bigger drain on the healthcare system just like smokers."

there are definitely people who would support this

I always hate walking in Chicago, so many damn smokers... Even worse when one sits next to me on the train...
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*lights up a cig*
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Raise the legal age of smoking to 21 imo
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Kakkeron posted...

Because of the amount of money they get by taxing them.

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This is why history class is important folks. If you skip out on it, you end up never hearing about prohibition, and end up thinking of shit ideas like this.
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Fam_Fam posted...

"And why draw the line at smoking? Why not make obesity a crime too because obese people have more health problems and are a bigger drain on the healthcare system just like smokers."

there are definitely people who would support this

I know, and it's still dumb. But if he thinks this should be a law he might as well make unhealthy lifestyle's a crime...
"You ate fast food 3 times this week? Well you're at a higher risk of such and such, you fucking criminal! Ban McDonald's! Or enforce some arbitrary number of times you can eat there each week/month/etc before it becomes a crime!"
Turns out tons of people do tons of unhealthy shit so why stop at any of this? Why not just have the government control how we live in general and penalize anyone who doesn't do what they consider the best/safest/healthiest/and cheapest (on the system, not you.) Gets penalized and considered a criminal.
I mean there are studies that say not getting enough sleep each night is bad for your health and shortens life expectancy, might as well have the government give us a bedtime and if you break it then your a criminal or penalized in some way.

Yeah I'm making a strawman argument and taking it to the extreme but seriously, the whole thing is stupid.

Twinmold posted...

This is why history class is important folks. If you skip out on it, you end up never hearing about prohibition, and end up thinking of shit ideas like this.

Yeah no kidding.
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Villain posted...

I say keep em legal but tax the fuck out of em even more.

That doesn't work.
https://www.villagevoice.com/2015/04/07/smuggled-untaxed-cigarettes-are-everywhere-in-new-york-city/

ban fatties then too
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Twinmold posted...

This is why history class is important folks. If you skip out on it, you end up never hearing about prohibition, and end up thinking of shit ideas like this.

Seriously.
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Fam_Fam posted...

"And why draw the line at smoking? Why not make obesity a crime too because obese people have more health problems and are a bigger drain on the healthcare system just like smokers."

there are definitely people who would support this

Well obesity is worse, but it's usually not intentional unlike smoking
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I run into old smokers that have a ton of health issues because of it all the time. Honestly i would make them illegal simply based on seeing this too often. And I wont be friends/date smokers. If you disregard your health so much and dont mind a horrible smell on everything around you then, no, we cant be friends or date.
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BalloonBattle05 posted...

Well obesity is worse, but it's usually not intentional unlike smoking

What up TC smoking has now fallen to the third leading cause of preventable death after obesity and inactivity.

But more importantly who in your immediate family is the smoker that you are mad at? Is it your mother? Father? Sister? Or did you once smoke and are turning your self loathing outward?

NYmasajista posted...

BalloonBattle05 posted...

Well obesity is worse, but it's usually not intentional unlike smoking

What up TC smoking has now fallen to the third leading cause of preventable death after obesity and inactivity.

But more importantly who in your immediate family is the smoker that you are mad at? Is it your mother? Father? Sister? Or did you once smoke and are turning your self loathing outward?

Not mad at anyone, but it's ridiculous that people keep on getting away from smoking.

And are you telling me that second hand smoking isn't a thing?
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Annihilated posted...

No, I disagree. First of all, decriminalizing is basically telling the drug cartels that we'll look the other way when they do business in our streets, which means more business for them. Second, the more drug users we have, the greater the threat to the public. Alcohol is legal and it's the number one killer in automobile accidents. Drugs can disconnect people from reality and make them behave in erratic and unpredictable ways. Imagine what heroin or LSD addiction could do if left unchecked. Third, we'll have to increase spending in rehabilitation programs which shouldn't even be needed in the first place. The drugs have to stay out of our country period.

You can decriminalize personal use possession/being under the influence and have much harsher penalties for trafficking/high volumes of possession. That actually sends a strong message to cartels and the public. The money saved from incarceration would in turn be able to help those that are addicted and be able to turn them in to functioning members of society, instead of turning them in to a criminal where it becomes exponentially harder to become a functioning member of society.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

You can decriminalize personal use possession/being under the influence and have much harsher penalties for trafficking/high volumes of possession. That actually sends a strong message to cartels and the public. The money saved from incarceration would in turn be able to help those that are addicted and be able to turn them in to functioning members of society, instead of turning them in to a criminal where it becomes exponentially harder to become a functioning member of society.

So... treat drugs like lawn darts?

BalloonBattle05 posted...

NYmasajista posted...

BalloonBattle05 posted...

Well obesity is worse, but it's usually not intentional unlike smoking

What up TC smoking has now fallen to the third leading cause of preventable death after obesity and inactivity.

But more importantly who in your immediate family is the smoker that you are mad at? Is it your mother? Father? Sister? Or did you once smoke and are turning your self loathing outward?

Not mad at anyone, but it's ridiculous that people keep on getting away from smoking.

And are you telling me that second hand smoking isn't a thing?

Of ours it's a thing, but people are getting it for free while first hand smoke costs money and the taxes on the tobacco are used for roads, schools, and hospitals. Do you work in a casino or in a state where it's still legal to smoke indoors?

And if you're not mad why all the hate? Is it because smokers are one of the only groups left that it's legally ok to discriminate against? If it really doesn't affect you or your immediate family why all the hate? What's going on in your life that has you lashing out at others who are not doing anything to you?

vbty3 posted...

Because $$$

This. There's no other reason. Its money and money only, fuck health, fuck ethics, fuck morality, fuck children etc.
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voldothegr8 posted...

BalloonBattle05 posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

I have another idea and it's a very simple concept.

Mind your own fucking business and stop caring what other people do.

There, problem solved.

Excatly. Mind my own business. Why should I have to pay for a smoker's health care?

By that logic lets make sugar illegal too.

They should, or at least tax sugar heavily so food manufacturers stop pouring 50% of it for foods. Sugar isn't as bad as cigs but its not too far away. Its also addicting and causes many health issues.
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ItsVinceRusso posted...

you'd only create a black market and turn it into a criminal enterprise

Bullshit. when the current smokers die or get cancer that small criminal enterprise fades away. There is already massive drug issue everywhere, yet the actual drug addicts are very small part of the total population.

This wouldn't become no where near as bad as if alcohol was made illegal. People actually want to drink, but i don't know how many would pick up smoking when its illegal and doesn't make you feel good or anything at all.
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Sami1000 posted...

ItsVinceRusso posted...

you'd only create a black market and turn it into a criminal enterprise

Bullshit. when the current smokers die or get cancer that small criminal enterprise fades away. There is already massive drug issue everywhere, yet the actual drug addicts are very small part of the total population.

This wouldn't become no where near as bad as if alcohol was made illegal. People actually want to drink, but i don't know how many would pick up smoking when its illegal and doesn't make you feel good or anything at all.

Why do people either blatantly lie or throw out false information on subjects they clearly know nothing about?
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Questionmarktarius posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

You can decriminalize personal use possession/being under the influence and have much harsher penalties for trafficking/high volumes of possession. That actually sends a strong message to cartels and the public. The money saved from incarceration would in turn be able to help those that are addicted and be able to turn them in to functioning members of society, instead of turning them in to a criminal where it becomes exponentially harder to become a functioning member of society.

So... treat drugs like lawn darts?

What?
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

You can decriminalize personal use possession/being under the influence and have much harsher penalties for trafficking/high volumes of possession. That actually sends a strong message to cartels and the public. The money saved from incarceration would in turn be able to help those that are addicted and be able to turn them in to functioning members of society, instead of turning them in to a criminal where it becomes exponentially harder to become a functioning member of society.

So... treat drugs like lawn darts?

What?

Can't buy or sell a set of classic Jarts, but there's no confiscation or citation campaign against owning them.

Questionmarktarius posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

You can decriminalize personal use possession/being under the influence and have much harsher penalties for trafficking/high volumes of possession. That actually sends a strong message to cartels and the public. The money saved from incarceration would in turn be able to help those that are addicted and be able to turn them in to functioning members of society, instead of turning them in to a criminal where it becomes exponentially harder to become a functioning member of society.

So... treat drugs like lawn darts?

What?

Can't buy or sell a set of classic Jarts, but there's no confiscation or citation campaign against owning them.

Then no it would not be like treating them like lawn darts. As I would not have a problem with harder drugs being confiscated and the person caught with it being given some kind of mandatory counselling, even though I guarantee the majority of the time the counselling would be irrelevant as the majority of drug users are still functioning members of society.

Also I don't know what the minimum sentencing for selling lawn darts is but I would hope that selling drugs is much harsher.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Sami1000 posted...

ItsVinceRusso posted...

you'd only create a black market and turn it into a criminal enterprise

Bullshit. when the current smokers die or get cancer that small criminal enterprise fades away. There is already massive drug issue everywhere, yet the actual drug addicts are very small part of the total population.

This wouldn't become no where near as bad as if alcohol was made illegal. People actually want to drink, but i don't know how many would pick up smoking when its illegal and doesn't make you feel good or anything at all.

Why do people either blatantly lie or throw out false information on subjects they clearly know nothing about?

Why do people who has no counter argument quote other people and claim they don't know anything?

Now, this is just in my country, but younger gen smokes way less than previous one, that is proven fact. This is when smoking is legal. When its illegal that number of smokers will drop way down and i'm talking about people who might pick up smoking, not people who smoke already. Its because its less available.

Why would people who don't smoke try to get their hands on cigs when its illegal, considering it won't make their night much better and risk of getting big fines or even criminal record if they get caught?

There is no way to make quick permanent solution to this. There will be smokers as long as the tobacco exists, but making it illegal would drop that amount of smokers way down eventually.
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BalloonBattle05 posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

"And why draw the line at smoking? Why not make obesity a crime too because obese people have more health problems and are a bigger drain on the healthcare system just like smokers."

there are definitely people who would support this

Well obesity is worse, but it's usually not intentional unlike smoking

Obese people are intentionally not following the basic rule of CICO, unless they have some legitimate medical issue causing it.
Illegalize obesity!

And still once again you didn't respond to my post, but okay.
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Sami1000 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Sami1000 posted...

ItsVinceRusso posted...

you'd only create a black market and turn it into a criminal enterprise

Bullshit. when the current smokers die or get cancer that small criminal enterprise fades away. There is already massive drug issue everywhere, yet the actual drug addicts are very small part of the total population.

This wouldn't become no where near as bad as if alcohol was made illegal. People actually want to drink, but i don't know how many would pick up smoking when its illegal and doesn't make you feel good or anything at all.

Why do people either blatantly lie or throw out false information on subjects they clearly know nothing about?

Why do people who has no counter argument quote other people and claim they don't know anything?

Now, this is just in my country, but younger gen smokes way less than previous one, that is proven fact. This is when smoking is legal. When its illegal that number of smokers will drop way down and i'm talking about people who might pick up smoking, not people who smoke already. Its because its less available.

Why would people who don't smoke try to get their hands on cigs when its illegal, considering it won't make their night much better and risk of getting big fines or even criminal record if they get caught?

There is no way to make quick permanent solution to this. There will be smokers as long as the tobacco exists, but making it illegal would drop that amount of smokers way down eventually.

I was refering to your statement that they don't "make you feel better or anything".

You clearly never smoked and you obviously don't understand any of the reasons people do it outside of the medias portratal of it being "cool".
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If people stopped smoking, then I would lose all my patients

Now I can't have that.
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