loot box systems are the worst modern gaming mechanic bar none

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ZombiePelican 06/26/17 6:48:26 PM #101:	Protoman_X38 posted... Those microtransactions are keeping the games real content free for everyone Very few publishers do this. Most have microtransactions AND paid DLC. Protoman_X38 posted... So no, It doesn't just benefit the Publishers. Considering all the profits go straight to the suits , yeah it literally only benefits publishers --- http://i.imgur.com/J1Fi0Cw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/MCC79Ov.jpg http://i.imgur.com/iEMaJl1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/grqvrr9.png <cite>ZombiePelican posted [p:881858191] in Supply dro... [t:75496849]...</cite> <quote><cite>Protoman_X38 posted...</cite> <quote>Those microtransactions are keeping the games real content free for everyone</quote> Very few publishers do this. Most have microtransactions AND paid DLC. <cite>Protoman_X38 posted...</cite> <quote>So no, It doesn't just benefit the Publishers.</quote> Considering all the profits go straight to the suits , yeah it literally only benefits publishers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 06/26/17 6:54:50 PM #102:	ZombiePelican posted... Very few publishers do this. Most have microtransactions AND paid DLC. Eh? It seems like the most popular model now. Even EA has moved onto it with Battlefront 2. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:881858573] in Supply dro... [t:75496849]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote>Very few publishers do this. Most have microtransactions AND paid DLC.</quote> Eh? It seems like the most popular model now. Even EA has moved onto it with Battlefront 2.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZombiePelican 06/26/17 7:24:00 PM #103:	Darmik posted... ZombiePelican posted... Very few publishers do this. Most have microtransactions AND paid DLC. Eh? It seems like the most popular model now. Even EA has moved onto it with Battlefront 2. I can't believe you'd actually make shit up to make multibillion dollar corporations crying poor look good. No most games with microtransactions have paid DLC as well Battlefield 1 Destiny Injustice 2 The Division Black Ops 3 Infinite Warfare CoD:4 remastered The only real exception is Overwatch whose lootbox system is just as terrible as anyone elses but they get a free pass because they're Blizzard --- http://i.imgur.com/J1Fi0Cw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/MCC79Ov.jpg http://i.imgur.com/iEMaJl1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/grqvrr9.png <cite>ZombiePelican posted [p:881860323] in Supply dro... [t:75496849]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote>Very few publishers do this. Most have microtransactions AND paid DLC.</quote> Eh? It seems like the most popular model now. Even EA has moved onto it with Battlefront 2.</quote> I can't believe you'd actually make shit up to make multibillion dollar corporations crying poor look good. No most games with microtransactions have paid DLC as well Battlefield 1 Destiny Injustice 2 The Division Black Ops 3 Infinite Warfare CoD:4 remastered The only real exception is Overwatch whose lootbox system is just as terrible as anyone elses but they get a free pass because they're Blizzard</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 06/26/17 7:28:12 PM #104:	@ZombiePelican is on the money --- A Green Butter Alt(TM) http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:881860586] in Supply dro... [t:75496849]...</cite> <quote>@ZombiePelican is on the money</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 06/26/17 10:31:46 PM #105:	ZombiePelican posted... LightHawKnight posted... This. Video game companies need to make money, or else they die out. Publishers were making money before microtransactions were shoehorned in full priced games, why do you believe otherwise? LightHawKnight posted... Raising the price of games to match with the times isn't going to work, since people would b** even more about it. Might as well do something mostly harmless by selling cosmetics, either directly or through lootboxes. Stop parroting propaganda spewed from the mouths of publishers, what a game costs to make and what is sells for is literally none of our concern and is not our responsibility to make up Do you not even pay attention to the hobby you enjoy? What is even wrong with you. So many big names and many more small names have died out within the past 5 years alone. That is just terrible. Do you even know how much it costs to develop games now? It is insanely different than over a decade ago and games are still selling for the same price, unless you count inflation, and then games are selling for a lot less than before. With Sony and Microsoft pushing pure unadulterated power, which costs a ton of money to develop for, many a game company has fallen and or gotten absorbed and no longer exist, or do anything of worth. So many good games wont get made anymore. If you honestly think not caring about what a game company makes is a good idea, you really think of the future do you? If more and more game companies die out, what are you going to be playing? --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:881872007] in Supply dro... [t:75496849]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote>LightHawKnight posted... This. Video game companies need to make money, or else they die out. Publishers were making money before microtransactions were shoehorned in full priced games, why do you believe otherwise? LightHawKnight posted... Raising the price of games to match with the times isn't going to work, since people would b** even more about it. Might as well do something mostly harmless by selling cosmetics, either directly or through lootboxes. Stop parroting propaganda spewed from the mouths of publishers, what a game costs to make and what is sells for is literally none of our concern and is not our responsibility to make up</quote> Do you not even pay attention to the hobby you enjoy? What is even wrong with you. So many big names and many more small names have died out within the past 5 years alone. That is just terrible. Do you even know how much it costs to develop games now? It is insanely different than over a decade ago and games are still selling for the same price, unless you count inflation, and then games are selling for a lot less than before. With Sony and Microsoft pushing pure unadulterated power, which costs a ton of money to develop for, many a game company has fallen and or gotten absorbed and no longer exist, or do anything of worth. So many good games wont get made anymore. If you honestly think not caring about what a game company makes is a good idea, you really think of the future do you? If more and more game companies die out, what are you going to be playing?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thompsontalker7 06/26/17 11:25:24 PM #106:	Pelican is trying to turn my topic about shit micro transactions (loot boxes) into a shitfest about DLC in general. Stop it. You likely wouldn't buy $80 new games so stop having a fit over this. Also Battlefield 1 has purely cosmetic Battlepacks so idk why would anyone get tight over them. --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet. Might wanna get on that, yeah? <cite>thompsontalker7 posted [p:881875121] in Supply dro... [t:75496849]...</cite> <quote>Pelican is trying to turn my topic about shit micro transactions (loot boxes) into a shitfest about DLC in general. Stop it. You likely wouldn't buy $80 new games so stop having a fit over this. Also Battlefield 1 has purely cosmetic Battlepacks so idk why would anyone get tight over them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZombiePelican 06/27/17 12:36:34 AM #107:	LightHawKnight posted... Do you not even pay attention to the hobby you enjoy? What is even wrong with you. Absolutely nothing, I pay attention more than you with how I refuse to make excuses for multibillion dollar corporations crying poor LightHawKnight posted... So many big names and many more small names have died out within the past 5 years alone. That is just terrible. Do you even know how much it costs to develop games now? Of course I do, but let's stop pretending what a game costs to make and how much it sells for is a problem for anyone but publishers. We didn't start the graphical arms race and bloat game budgets to astronomical levels publishers did, why should it be our burden to bare? LightHawKnight posted... It is insanely different than over a decade ago and games are still selling for the same price, unless you count inflation, and then games are selling for a lot less than before. And again, whose fault and problem is that? Publishers, not ours LightHawKnight posted... With Sony and Microsoft pushing pure unadulterated power, which costs a ton of money to develop for, >Consoles made from cheap laptop and tablet parts >Unadulterated power Shiggy diggy doo LightHawKnight posted... many a game company has fallen and or gotten absorbed and no longer exist, or do anything of worth. So many good games wont get made anymore. This is the fault of stupid decisions by suits who are the same people who are the only benefactors from microtransactions in full priced games In the last decade or so game companies have been come to run by executives with a background in packaged goods not videogames and applying the packaged goods mentality has killed many a beloved developers, which was with all the CoD chasing last gen Stop drinking the koolaid of publishers who created ALL of these problems LightHawKnight posted... So many good games wont get made anymore. Blame this on publishers who had game budgets bloated to unreasonable levels and now are almost entirely too scared to bet on a name people won't recognize. And don't you fucking DARE try to say microtransactions will encourage publishers to fund more new IPs because that is bullshit LightHawKnight posted... If you honestly think not caring about what a game company makes is a good idea, you really think of the future do you? I care what devs make, I don't care about publishers If the AAA scene dies indies will just have a bigger renaissance, it's win win Companies like EA die, while companies like Devolver Digital will thrive --- http://i.imgur.com/J1Fi0Cw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/MCC79Ov.jpg http://i.imgur.com/iEMaJl1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/grqvrr9.png <cite>ZombiePelican posted [p:881878189] in Supply dro... [t:75496849]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>Do you not even pay attention to the hobby you enjoy? What is even wrong with you.</quote> Absolutely nothing, I pay attention more than you with how I refuse to make excuses for multibillion dollar corporations crying poor <cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>So many big names and many more small names have died out within the past 5 years alone. That is just terrible. Do you even know how much it costs to develop games now?</quote> Of course I do, but let's stop pretending what a game costs to make and how much it sells for is a problem for anyone but publishers. We didn't start the graphical arms race and bloat game budgets to astronomical levels publishers did, why should it be our burden to bare? <cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote> It is insanely different than over a decade ago and games are still selling for the same price, unless you count inflation, and then games are selling for a lot less than before. </quote> And again, whose fault and problem is that? Publishers, not ours <cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>With Sony and Microsoft pushing pure unadulterated power, which costs a ton of money to develop for,</quote> >Consoles made from cheap laptop and tablet parts >Unadulterated power Shiggy diggy doo <cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>many a game company has fallen and or gotten absorbed and no longer exist, or do anything of worth. So many good games wont get made anymore. </quote> This is the fault of stupid decisions by suits who are the same people who are the only benefactors from microtransactions in full priced games In the last decade or so game companies have been come to run by executives with a background in packaged goods not videogames and applying the packaged goods mentality has killed many a beloved developers, which was with all the CoD chasing last gen Stop drinking the koolaid of publishers who created ALL of these problems <cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>So many good games wont get made anymore. </quote> Blame this on publishers who had game budgets bloated to unreasonable levels and now are almost entirely too scared to bet on a name people won't recognize. And don't you fucking DARE try to say microtransactions will encourage publishers to fund more new IPs because that is bullshit <cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>If you honestly think not caring about what a game company makes is a good idea, you really think of the future do you? </quote> I care what devs make, I don't care about publishers If the AAA scene dies indies will just have a bigger renaissance, it's win win Companies like EA die, while companies like Devolver Digital will thrive</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZombiePelican 06/27/17 12:38:45 AM #108:	thompsontalker7 posted... Pelican is trying to turn my topic about shit micro transactions (loot boxes) into a shitfest about DLC in general. Stop it. You likely wouldn't buy $80 new games so stop having a fit over this. Also Battlefield 1 has purely cosmetic Battlepacks so idk why would anyone get tight over them. There's nothing wrong with DLC when done right, I am talking exclusively about microtransactions --- http://i.imgur.com/J1Fi0Cw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/MCC79Ov.jpg http://i.imgur.com/iEMaJl1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/grqvrr9.png <cite>ZombiePelican posted [p:881878270] in Supply dro... [t:75496849]...</cite> <quote><cite>thompsontalker7 posted...</cite> <quote>Pelican is trying to turn my topic about shit micro transactions (loot boxes) into a shitfest about DLC in general. Stop it. You likely wouldn't buy $80 new games so stop having a fit over this. Also Battlefield 1 has purely cosmetic Battlepacks so idk why would anyone get tight over them.</quote> There's nothing wrong with DLC when done right, I am talking exclusively about microtransactions</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 06/27/17 7:58:37 AM #109:	LightHawKnight posted... . So many big names and many more small names have died out within the past 5 years alone. That is just terrible. Do you even know how much it costs to develop games now? It is insanely different than over a decade ago and games are still selling for the same price, unless you count inflation, and then games are selling for a lot less than before. think about what you just posted. WHY do they cost so much more than years ago? is it because the games being developed are taking 5+ years to make, are using alien technology, and are rock solid in their construction, or is it because there is a 50 million dollar marketing budget and the devs want to get the game out before the end of the fiscal year so they can put it on the books? it is not the consumer's problem that something costs a lot to develop. there is an expectation of price. if Toyota was working on a new engine for their Corolla that was more fuel efficient and it cost a lot of money to develop, they would not be selling the car at $40k. There is a consumer expectation that the car is in the low 20s for a price point, and it's up to Toyota to figure out how much they can charge while still delivering the product they want to the consumer. Also, why do you think these midsized studios closed? is it because there is a new galactic law to spend 100 million developing a game, or is it because the same 5 big studios are buying up every small company and then shutting them down to close out competition? --- A Green Butter Alt(TM) http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:881889325] in Supply dro... [t:75496849]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>. So many big names and many more small names have died out within the past 5 years alone. That is just terrible. Do you even know how much it costs to develop games now? It is insanely different than over a decade ago and games are still selling for the same price, unless you count inflation, and then games are selling for a lot less than before. </quote> think about what you just posted. WHY do they cost so much more than years ago? is it because the games being developed are taking 5+ years to make, are using alien technology, and are rock solid in their construction, or is it because there is a 50 million dollar marketing budget and the devs want to get the game out before the end of the fiscal year so they can put it on the books? it is not the consumer's problem that something costs a lot to develop. there is an expectation of price. if Toyota was working on a new engine for their Corolla that was more fuel efficient and it cost a lot of money to develop, they would not be selling the car at $40k. There is a consumer expectation that the car is in the low 20s for a price point, and it's up to Toyota to figure out how much they can charge while still delivering the product they want to the consumer. Also, why do you think these midsized studios closed? is it because there is a new galactic law to spend 100 million developing a game, or is it because the same 5 big studios are buying up every small company and then shutting them down to close out competition?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
l Dudeboy l 06/27/17 8:14:14 AM #110:	ZombiePelican is absolutely right when it comes to DLC/microtransactions. It's insane now many people believe that AAA publishers are struggling to make money in a multi billion dollar industry. --- You are now breathing manually. Lets put a little lead in the air, and see what falls over. <cite>l Dudeboy l posted [p:881889702] in Supply dro... [t:75496849]...</cite> <quote>ZombiePelican is absolutely right when it comes to DLC/microtransactions. It's insane now many people believe that AAA publishers are struggling to make money in a multi billion dollar industry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kirbymuncher 06/27/17 11:16:21 AM #111:	ZombiePelican posted... If the AAA scene dies indies will just have a bigger renaissance, it's win win Companies like EA die, while companies like Devolver Digital will thrive speaking of indie games, I feel like the threshold for what is allowed to count as an indie game has really expanded recently if you have a publisher you're not indie anymore --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:881896846] in Supply dro... [t:75496849]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote>If the AAA scene dies indies will just have a bigger renaissance, it's win win Companies like EA die, while companies like Devolver Digital will thrive</quote> speaking of indie games, I feel like the threshold for what is allowed to count as an indie game has really expanded recently if you have a publisher you're not indie anymore</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 06/27/17 11:21:14 AM #112:	I spent like $100 on Heroes of the Storm over a couple of years but I uninstalled the day they announced loot boxes, emojis, and sprays. Loot boxes are one of the most cancerous "features" to ever make it into mainstream gaming. --- "There is value in segregation." - qwertyman2002 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:881897077] in Supply dro... [t:75496849]...</cite> <quote>I spent like $100 on Heroes of the Storm over a couple of years but I uninstalled the day they announced loot boxes, emojis, and sprays. Loot boxes are one of the most cancerous "features" to ever make it into mainstream gaming.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 06/27/17 11:43:29 AM #113:	Shotgunnova posted... I don't mind lootboxes (etc.) as long as you can get 'em through normal play and without tons of duplicates. League's chest/key system is a good example of doing this right --- If her hips don't break, you didn't "carry" hard enough" -SpunkySix http://steamcommunity.com/id/bolt_thundara/wishlist <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:881898144] in Supply dro... [t:75496849]...</cite> <quote><cite>Shotgunnova posted...</cite> <quote>I don't mind lootboxes (etc.) as long as you can get 'em through normal play and without tons of duplicates.</quote> League's chest/key system is a good example of doing this right</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZombiePelican 06/27/17 1:54:38 PM #114:	kirbymuncher posted... ZombiePelican posted... If the AAA scene dies indies will just have a bigger renaissance, it's win win Companies like EA die, while companies like Devolver Digital will thrive speaking of indie games, I feel like the threshold for what is allowed to count as an indie game has really expanded recently if you have a publisher you're not indie anymore Devolver Digital are a publisher, but they exclusively fund small budget indie titles --- http://i.imgur.com/J1Fi0Cw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/MCC79Ov.jpg http://i.imgur.com/iEMaJl1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/grqvrr9.png <cite>ZombiePelican posted [p:881905248] in Supply dro... [t:75496849]...</cite> <quote><cite>kirbymuncher posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote>If the AAA scene dies indies will just have a bigger renaissance, it's win win Companies like EA die, while companies like Devolver Digital will thrive</quote> speaking of indie games, I feel like the threshold for what is allowed to count as an indie game has really expanded recently if you have a publisher you're not indie anymore</quote> Devolver Digital are a publisher, but they exclusively fund small budget indie titles</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thompsontalker7 06/27/17 1:58:03 PM #115:	ZombiePelican posted... kirbymuncher posted... ZombiePelican posted... If the AAA scene dies indies will just have a bigger renaissance, it's win win Companies like EA die, while companies like Devolver Digital will thrive speaking of indie games, I feel like the threshold for what is allowed to count as an indie game has really expanded recently if you have a publisher you're not indie anymore Devolver Digital are a publisher, but they exclusively fund small budget indie titles Also Skullgirls has ASW and Lab Zero as publishers, but still needed to kickstart DLC characters because the budget was just not there. --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet. Might wanna get on that, yeah? <cite>thompsontalker7 posted [p:881905446] in Supply dro... [t:75496849]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote><cite>kirbymuncher posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote>If the AAA scene dies indies will just have a bigger renaissance, it's win win Companies like EA die, while companies like Devolver Digital will thrive</quote> speaking of indie games, I feel like the threshold for what is allowed to count as an indie game has really expanded recently if you have a publisher you're not indie anymore</quote> Devolver Digital are a publisher, but they exclusively fund small budget indie titles</quote> Also Skullgirls has ASW and Lab Zero as publishers, but still needed to kickstart DLC characters because the budget was just not there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 06/27/17 2:00:42 PM #116:	I never pay for anything in video games anymore. Even good DLC I tend to wait until "GOTY Editions" come out --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:881905610] in Supply dro... [t:75496849]...</cite> <quote>I never pay for anything in video games anymore. Even good DLC I tend to wait until "GOTY Editions" come out</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kirbymuncher 06/27/17 2:17:28 PM #117:	ZombiePelican posted... Devolver Digital are a publisher, but they exclusively fund small budget indie titles That's what I mean the definition has stretched a little. If they're being funded by a separate publisher, they aren't indie games anymore. They're smaller games sure, but they're not really indie. Nothing to do with the amount of funding they receive or whether they need to kickstarter or etc --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:881906589] in Supply dro... [t:75496849]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote>Devolver Digital are a publisher, but they exclusively fund small budget indie titles </quote> That's what I mean the definition has stretched a little. If they're being funded by a separate publisher, they aren't indie games anymore. They're smaller games sure, but they're not really indie. Nothing to do with the amount of funding they receive or whether they need to kickstarter or etc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sexypwnstar 06/27/17 4:28:56 PM #118:	lol --- http://i.imgur.com/Su4g5.jpg http://i.imgur.com/21DiJ.jpg <cite>Sexypwnstar posted [p:881914338] in Supply dro... [t:75496849]...</cite> <quote>lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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