Current Events > 20 y/o Blonde Girl who told her bf to KILL HIMSELF SOBS in HORROR; found GUILTY!

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DuranOfForcena posted...

it happened the way it did. and it was this psycho bitch's fucking fault, and she should fucking burn for it. end of argument.

Are you that CEman who was happy that a guy who murdered and ate another guy in Canada just recently was released? I can't keep track of all the crazy ass members here. (Please correct me if I'm mistaking you with someone else.) It would be funny if you were, though, because now you want this girl to "fucking burn" for text messages.
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My god you bunch of pansy white knights. Also you free speech nuts ignoring that she didn't call the cops.

She deserves at least 10 years.
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whitelytning posted...

Not sure why she was charged with involuntary manslaughter

Involuntary manslaughter usually refers to an unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence

She clearly was reckless and negligent.
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BalisticWarri0r posted...

Mystere posted...

He killed himself. It's right there in the sentence. You don't have to make detective to find the culprit.

This shit is gonna lead to shitty people putting themselves down in an effort to get back at people. He could have blocked her or ignored her calls. If ____ told you to jump off a bridge, would you? Yeah, that logic. The woman is mean but it isn't and shouldn't be illegal to be an asshole.

People with mental health issues view things differently. Your example is irrelevant.

How is that irrelevant? It's the same sort of situation...
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DuranOfForcena posted...

Etherealfare posted...

Hey now. Don't be a white knight. Apparently that's what being rational means.

Prison isn't for reform apparently, it's just to fucking punish her CUZ

correct, prison isn't for reform, it's for punishment. anyone who claims otherwise is living in a fucking dreamworld.

This mentality is why the US has the highest recidivism rate in the world, while Norway, which Americans love to mock for being "soft", has the lowest.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

My god you bunch of pansy white knights. Also you free speech nuts ignoring that she didn't call the cops.

She deserves at least 10 years.

Why is that relevant? If for example I see someone passed out motionless in a parking lot, should I be obligated to call the police? I've been in that situation before, and I left the person there. Does that make me a criminal?
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frozenshock posted...

She's going to get out of prison at 40 years old because of text messages she sent when she was 17...

shame that boy won't even live to see 20 unlike her
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Webmaster4531 posted...

My god you bunch of pansy white knights. Also you free speech nuts ignoring that she didn't call the cops.

She deserves at least 10 years.

Being nice and helping people is a choice, not an obligation.
JustMyOpinion posted...

Mystere posted...

Just wait. Simply hurting someone's feelings will eventually be a crime itself. Work on your Care Bear stare, guys.

Your lack of compassion for the victim is astounding. He might still be alive if she hadn't pushed for him to end it after he backed out. She assisted. There's a direct link. Fair, next.

Block is a thing. Caller ID is a thing. She wasn't walking right behind him everywhere he went while saying it. He heard her words by choice.

DuranOfForcena posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

whitelytning posted...

Not sure why she was charged with involuntary manslaughter

Involuntary manslaughter usually refers to an unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence

She clearly was reckless and negligent.

but the result of her actions are the furthest possible you can get from being unintentional. she entirely intended for him to take his own life, and her actions did nothing but make that happen.

The quote has usually in there. I believe she was intending to kill him.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

My god you bunch of pansy white knights. Also you free speech nuts ignoring that she didn't call the cops.

She deserves at least 10 years.

Why is that relevant? If for example I see someone passed out motionless in a parking lot, should I be obligated to call the police? I've been in that situation before, and I left the person there. Does that make me a criminal?

That's completely different. She knew it was deadly while you didn't.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

The quote has usually in there. I believe she was intending to kill him.

k well the actual legal definition of involuntary manslaughter doesn't have "usually" in there. so it's still a highly questionable charge for the situation.

Well quote it.
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Mystere posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

My god you bunch of pansy white knights. Also you free speech nuts ignoring that she didn't call the cops.

She deserves at least 10 years.

Being nice and helping people is a choice, not an obligation.
JustMyOpinion posted...

Mystere posted...

Just wait. Simply hurting someone's feelings will eventually be a crime itself. Work on your Care Bear stare, guys.

Your lack of compassion for the victim is astounding. He might still be alive if she hadn't pushed for him to end it after he backed out. She assisted. There's a direct link. Fair, next.

Block is a thing. Caller ID is a thing. She wasn't walking right behind him everywhere he went while saying it. He heard her words by choice.

he was looking for help from his girlfriend, not some random idiot on the internet. She was someone who had his full trust. Someone he loved and believed loved him and would do no harm. Just like a child expects the best from a parent, and often fails to understand abuse, so did he fail to understand it from her.

Nor was he in a proper mental state as you seem to believe. he was vulnerable and on the precipice of ending his life, and when he chose not to, she pushed him back and instead of seeking help in his most vulnerable moment twisted a knife into him instead. it is clear he was desperate for help from her and if you cant see this I truly dont know what to say.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

whitelytning posted...

Not sure why she was charged with involuntary manslaughter

Involuntary manslaughter usually refers to an unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence

She clearly was reckless and negligent.

Instead of relying on a generalization, lets look at the actual jury instructions:

To prove that the defendant is guilty of involuntary manslaughter because of wanton and reckless conduct, the Commonwealth must prove the following elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
1. The defendant caused the victim's death;
2. The defendant intended the conduct that caused the
victim's death;
3. The defendant's conduct was wanton and reckless;
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A defendant's act is the cause of [the victim's] death where the act, in a natural and continuous sequence, results in death, and without which death would not have occurred.
http://www.mass.gov/courts/docs/sjc/docs/model-jury-instructions-homicide.pdf pg 74 - 75.

My initial post was obviously about the first element and not the reckless/negligent aspects of her actions. You can be as negligent or reckless as possible but if you don't cause the injury or death the action won't face criminal charges. The causation in this case is what is interesting and was probably the focal point for both teams, the judge, and the jury. I'm sure most people that have studied law to any extent are surprised that the prosecution was able to meet the burden required to convince a jury that her action was the cause of his death.

In some states there are specific laws against helping or aiding someone kill themselves. They were created because of the causation issues with charging someone with any kind of homicide for that type of activity. I don't know if those laws exist in Mass and would guess they don't just because she was charged with manslaughter instead. But the result of this decision is interesting from a causation stand point.
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jesus christ ce
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Three elements must be satisfied in order for someone to be found guilty of involuntary manslaughter:
1. Someone was killed as a result of the defendant's actions.
2. The act either was inherently dangerous to others or done with reckless disregard for human life.
3. The defendant knew or should have known his or her conduct was a threat to the lives of others.

Check to all three points.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Three elements must be satisfied in order for someone to be found guilty of involuntary manslaughter:
1. Someone was killed as a result of the defendant's actions.
2. The act either was inherently dangerous to others or done with reckless disregard for human life.
3. The defendant knew or should have known his or her conduct was a threat to the lives of others.

Check to all three points.

Great analysis.

I see continuing any kind of actual conversation with you about an interesting court case is a waste of time.
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whitelytning posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

Three elements must be satisfied in order for someone to be found guilty of involuntary manslaughter:
1. Someone was killed as a result of the defendant's actions.
2. The act either was inherently dangerous to others or done with reckless disregard for human life.
3. The defendant knew or should have known his or her conduct was a threat to the lives of others.

Check to all three points.

Great analysis.

I see continuing any kind of actual conversation with you about an interesting court case is a waste of time.

I don't need to write a novel to say I disagree with you.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

BalisticWarri0r posted...

Mystere posted...

He killed himself. It's right there in the sentence. You don't have to make detective to find the culprit.

This shit is gonna lead to shitty people putting themselves down in an effort to get back at people. He could have blocked her or ignored her calls. If ____ told you to jump off a bridge, would you? Yeah, that logic. The woman is mean but it isn't and shouldn't be illegal to be an asshole.

People with mental health issues view things differently. Your example is irrelevant.

How is that irrelevant? It's the same sort of situation...

It's not the same. If someone were to tell someone with a sound mind to jump off a bridge (a fall that is likely to cause death), the person is likely going to tell them it is a horrible idea and they aren't going to do it (because they know and understand the outcome).

People with mental health problems are more worried about ending whatever pain or problems they are going through. Even without discussing suicide, people with mental health disorders can be easily persuaded and manipulated to do things.

Dude was obviously manipulated by a chick who is probably a sociopath.

Skye Reynolds posted...

Girl tells boyfriend to kill himself. Guilty of murder.
Cop shoots unarmed black man. Not guilty.

>_>

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Mystere posted...

Who does CE blame when lemmings drown?

What a shit poster.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

BalisticWarri0r posted...

Mystere posted...

He killed himself. It's right there in the sentence. You don't have to make detective to find the culprit.

This shit is gonna lead to shitty people putting themselves down in an effort to get back at people. He could have blocked her or ignored her calls. If ____ told you to jump off a bridge, would you? Yeah, that logic. The woman is mean but it isn't and shouldn't be illegal to be an asshole.

People with mental health issues view things differently. Your example is irrelevant.

How is that irrelevant? It's the same sort of situation...

are you one of those who claims depresion isnt an illness

is what i get from you claiming its the same to say that to someone healthy or someone with severe depression
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While we're being ridiculous, how about we increase the penalty because suicide is a "mortal sin" and therefore she essentially forced him to go to Hell?

Mystere posted...

While we're being ridiculous, how about we increase the penalty because suicide is a "mortal sin" and therefore she essentially forced him to go to Hell?

Just making it obvious you are trolling now.
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Mystere posted...

Who does CE blame when lemmings drown?

?????


thats just a videogame !
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Funkydog posted...

Mystere posted...

While we're being ridiculous, how about we increase the penalty because suicide is a "mortal sin" and therefore she essentially forced him to go to Hell?

Just making it obvious you are trolling now.

That's the level of sincerity and respect this subject deserves.

Haven't followed the case. Why did she tell him to do it if they were dating? Like from her point of view, did she think she was helping him or something?
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Mystere posted...

Funkydog posted...

Mystere posted...

While we're being ridiculous, how about we increase the penalty because suicide is a "mortal sin" and therefore she essentially forced him to go to Hell?

Just making it obvious you are trolling now.

That's the level of sincerity and respect this subject deserves.

The subject is pretty serious. Suicide and Man Slaughter. You're a shit hu...

being.
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WizardPowers posted...

Haven't followed the case. Why did she tell him to do it if they were dating? Like from her point of view, did she think she was helping him or something?

Mind reading doesn't exist. I think she wanted him dead so she could get attention and the money from the fund raiser.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Mind reading doesn't exist.

well I assumed at some point they would have asked why she sent the messages.
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WizardPowers posted...

Haven't followed the case. Why did she tell him to do it if they were dating? Like from her point of view, did she think she was helping him or something?

She's fucking sick and probably has antisocial tendencies seeing as how she immediately set up a fundraiser to profit off his death.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

fan357 posted...

20 years seems excessive. I would say no more than five.

I agree

I'm all for more harsh penalties, but this isn't a case for one. She should serve time, IMO, but not that much time.

Would people be saying this if a dude had told his pretty young girlfriend to kill herself and she did it??

doubtful
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WizardPowers posted...

well I assumed at some point they would have asked why she sent the messages.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2017/06/defense_rests_without_calling_michelle_carter_in_texting_suicide_case

According to this she didn't testify as of 4 days ago. Her text are really undefendable so I wouldn't put her up.
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For the record, the woman is terrible and I believe everyone she knows should ignore her and treat her like shit because of it.

I just see that legally punishing someone over a suicide is a horrifying slippery slope.

marc55 posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

BalisticWarri0r posted...

Mystere posted...

He killed himself. It's right there in the sentence. You don't have to make detective to find the culprit.

This shit is gonna lead to shitty people putting themselves down in an effort to get back at people. He could have blocked her or ignored her calls. If ____ told you to jump off a bridge, would you? Yeah, that logic. The woman is mean but it isn't and shouldn't be illegal to be an asshole.

People with mental health issues view things differently. Your example is irrelevant.

How is that irrelevant? It's the same sort of situation...

are you one of those who claims depresion isnt an illness

is what i get from you claiming its the same to say that to someone healthy or someone with severe depression

I acknowledge that depression is an illness. I just think it is a major stretch to punish someone who did not directly lead to another's death/injury. What she did was wrong but not criminal.
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Mystere posted...

For the record, the woman is terrible and I believe everyone she knows should ignore her and treat her like shit because of it.

I just see that legally punishing someone over a suicide is a horrifying slippery slope.

The difference here is that he wouldn't have killed himself without her actively pushing him towards it. He even tried to abort his attempt but she encouraged him to go back and finish it. Even if you believe she had no responsibility to STOP him, there's a world of difference between ignoring a suicidal person and actively working to convince them to kill themselves.
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You have no way of knowing if he would have tried again. Given that he wasn't mentally sound, I'd say the odds are high that he would've felt down later on and tried again.

Mystere posted...

You have no way of knowing if he would have tried again. Given that he wasn't mentally sound, I'd say the odds are high that he would've felt down later on and tried again.

Yes, we dont know. Because she pushed him to do it, and not get help.
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Mystere posted...

You have no way of knowing if he would have tried again. Given that he wasn't mentally sound, I'd say the odds are high that he would've felt down later on and tried again.

That's irrelevant. What he MIGHT have done later doesn't matter. He MIGHT have also gotten help from a professional to resolve his depression issues. Start going down that road and you might as well make thoughtcrime illegal. What we know for sure is he tried to abort his suicide attempt and she talked him into going back into the truck. End of story. Without her telling him to do it, we would not have killed himself in that circumstance.
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His choice.

Mystere posted...

For the record, the woman is terrible and I believe everyone she knows should ignore her and treat her like shit because of it.

I just see that legally punishing someone over a suicide is a horrifying slippery slope.

it isnt about that
its about telling someone with depression to kill themselves over and over until they do
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marc55 posted...

Mystere posted...

For the record, the woman is terrible and I believe everyone she knows should ignore her and treat her like shit because of it.

I just see that legally punishing someone over a suicide is a horrifying slippery slope.

it isnt about that
its about telling someone with depression to kill themselves over and over until they do

Suppose she continuously told him to go into city hall and shit on the floor. Would it be her fault if he did?

Mystere posted...

His choice.

And her choice was to encourage a suicide, which landed her in prison.
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Mystere posted...

marc55 posted...

Mystere posted...

For the record, the woman is terrible and I believe everyone she knows should ignore her and treat her like shit because of it.

I just see that legally punishing someone over a suicide is a horrifying slippery slope.

it isnt about that
its about telling someone with depression to kill themselves over and over until they do

Suppose she continuously told him to go into city hall and shit on the floor. Would it be her fault if he did?

You're not clever enough to make up analogies. Suicide is life or death. If she told him to go to city hall and kill someone then would it be her fault?
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