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DarkChozoGhost 06/15/17 9:59:00 AM #1:	Fuck off. That's an insult. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:881152454] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote>Fuck off. That's an insult.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AugustAdoulin 06/15/17 10:00:07 AM #2:	anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill --- http://i.imgur.com/oxJUXM4.jpg <cite>AugustAdoulin posted [p:881152498] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote>anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 06/15/17 10:01:10 AM #3:	If you won't do it some kid in china will for $1 a day instead. --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom http://i.imgur.com/9gYddqW.jpg <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:881152539] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote>If you won't do it some kid in china will for $1 a day instead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 06/15/17 10:01:40 AM #4:	Factory work is baby's first job --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. http://i.imgtc.com/tHc3mIo.png http://i.imgtc.com/PYxw8Lm.png <cite>Irony posted [p:881152563] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote>Factory work is baby's first job</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monday 06/15/17 10:03:22 AM #5:	AugustAdoulin posted... anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill The same way anyone can do fast food for minimum wage, right? I mean, these are just entry level jobs, why should they be earning a livable wage for doing them? --- http://i.imgur.com/xufaPCs.gif https://i.imgtc.com/iz1Ql9V.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/HJrfmRk.jpg http://i.imgur.com/KRQrSDs.jpg <cite>Monday posted [p:881152638] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote>anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill</quote> The same way anyone can do fast food for minimum wage, right? I mean, these are just entry level jobs, why should they be earning a livable wage for doing them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvalAngell 06/15/17 10:03:34 AM #6:	My company wants to get their factory workers all up to at least $15/hr within the next year. I'm like...what about me fam. I want that salary boost too. --- It's what's best for business. <cite>EvalAngell posted [p:881152647] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote>My company wants to get their factory workers all up to at least $15/hr within the next year. I'm like...what about me fam. I want that salary boost too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 06/15/17 10:10:19 AM #7:	AugustAdoulin posted... anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill But it's long hours and physically demanding. You should be making at a bare minimum $12.50 for your probationary first few months, and $13 after that. You shouldn't make less than a waiter that only works 3 days a week. Were_Wyrm posted... If you won't do it some kid in china will for $1 a day instead. Not at these AMERICAN companies that make farm equipment for AMERICANS. Go Trump! Irony posted... Factory work is baby's first job Eh, kinda. You can make a career out of it, move to commission pay. It's a little more than a summer job. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:881152963] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote>anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill</quote> But it's long hours and physically demanding. You should be making at a bare minimum $12.50 for your probationary first few months, and $13 after that. You shouldn't make less than a waiter that only works 3 days a week. <cite>Were_Wyrm posted...</cite> <quote>If you won't do it some kid in china will for $1 a day instead.</quote> Not at these AMERICAN companies that make farm equipment for AMERICANS. Go Trump! <cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote>Factory work is baby's first job</quote> Eh, kinda. You can make a career out of it, move to commission pay. It's a little more than a summer job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NathanX95 06/15/17 10:11:00 AM #8:	AugustAdoulin posted... anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill This is just straight up bullshit. While it is true that many can do it, most aren't willing to. It's hard intensive labor and the fact that you're defending slave wages for a such a physically demanding job means you're a shit person. <cite>NathanX95 posted [p:881152985] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote>anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill</quote> This is just straight up bullshit. While it is true that many can do it, most aren't willing to. It's hard intensive labor and the fact that you're defending slave wages for a such a physically demanding job means you're a shit person.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 06/15/17 10:12:27 AM #10:	#SeizeTheMeansOfProduction --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:881153056] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote>#SeizeTheMeansOfProduction</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 06/15/17 10:13:48 AM #11:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Fuck off. That's an insult. lmao. I'd gladly do it if I didn't already have a much higher paying degree. I'm sorry that your pride is too large for your lack of marketable skills. <cite>Annihilated posted [p:881153117] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Fuck off. That's an insult.</quote> lmao. I'd gladly do it if I didn't already have a much higher paying degree. I'm sorry that your pride is too large for your lack of marketable skills.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Canuklehead 06/15/17 10:14:34 AM #12:	NathanX95 posted... AugustAdoulin posted... anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill This is just straight up bullshit. While it is true that many can do it, most aren't willing to. It's hard intensive labor and the fact that you're defending slave wages for a such a physically demanding job means you're a shit person. It would seem there ARE a lot of people willing to do that kind of job if they feel they can fill their line with workers at $11/hour. <cite>Canuklehead posted [p:881153169] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>NathanX95 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote>anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill</quote> This is just straight up bullshit. While it is true that many can do it, most aren't willing to. It's hard intensive labor and the fact that you're defending slave wages for a such a physically demanding job means you're a shit person.</quote> It would seem there ARE a lot of people willing to do that kind of job if they feel they can fill their line with workers at $11/hour.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 06/15/17 10:14:57 AM #13:	Asherlee10 posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... But it's long hours and physically demanding. You should be making at a bare minimum $12.50 for your probationary first few months, and $13 after that. You shouldn't make less than a waiter that only works 3 days a week. You keep saying "should" but not providing any reasoning. Typically a pay scale is based on skills. --- S / K / Y / N / E Twitch/YouTube/GT: *Adzeta* <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:881153181] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>But it's long hours and physically demanding. You should be making at a bare minimum $12.50 for your probationary first few months, and $13 after that. You shouldn't make less than a waiter that only works 3 days a week.</quote> You keep saying "should" but not providing any reasoning. Typically a pay scale is based on skills.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AugustAdoulin 06/15/17 10:25:47 AM #15:	If you can't really offer anything beyond manual labor you're easily replaced. :v Of course you're going to get paid squat. Same with fast food. You're expendable. This is the way republicans want it. :v You guys voted them in so now you're stuck with it. --- http://i.imgur.com/oxJUXM4.jpg <cite>AugustAdoulin posted [p:881153748] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote>If you can't really offer anything beyond manual labor you're easily replaced. :v Of course you're going to get paid squat. Same with fast food. You're expendable. This is the way republicans want it. :v You guys voted them in so now you're stuck with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 06/15/17 10:30:03 AM #16:	NathanX95 posted... AugustAdoulin posted... anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill This is just straight up bullshit. While it is true that many can do it, most aren't willing to. It's hard intensive labor and the fact that you're defending slave wages for a such a physically demanding job means you're a shit person. WRONG. Most ARE willing to work for that wage, that's why the wage is what it is in the first place. If they couldn't fill the position in time, they'd raise the wage to attract more applicants. <cite>Annihilated posted [p:881153979] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>NathanX95 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote>anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill</quote> This is just straight up bullshit. While it is true that many can do it, most aren't willing to. It's hard intensive labor and the fact that you're defending slave wages for a such a physically demanding job means you're a shit person.</quote> WRONG. Most ARE willing to work for that wage, that's why the wage is what it is in the first place. If they couldn't fill the position in time, they'd raise the wage to attract more applicants.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/15/17 10:33:20 AM #17:	NathanX95 posted... While it is true that many can do it, most aren't willing to. I seriously doubt there will be a shortage of applicants. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:881154150] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>NathanX95 posted...</cite> <quote>While it is true that many can do it, most aren't willing to.</quote> I seriously doubt there will be a shortage of applicants.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlazinBlue88 06/15/17 10:35:15 AM #18:	DarkChozoGhost posted... But it's long hours and physically demanding. Really depends on the factory and what the position is. Not every factory runs on 12 hour shifts and many line positions aren't physically demanding in the least. --- http://i.imgur.com/R15aJJ3.png http://i.imgur.com/NJqp6LS.png PSN/XBL: BlazinBlue88 <cite>BlazinBlue88 posted [p:881154219] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>But it's long hours and physically demanding. </quote> Really depends on the factory and what the position is. Not every factory runs on 12 hour shifts and many line positions aren't physically demanding in the least.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 06/15/17 10:36:05 AM #19:	Annihilated posted... lmao. I'd gladly do it if I didn't already have a much higher paying degree. Bullshit Canuklehead posted... It would seem there ARE a lot of people willing to do that kind of job if they feel they can fill their line with workers at $11/hour. I doubt they fill their line. I get the feeling they prey on the stupid people that went to a Votech type thing and are having trouble adjusting after graduation (not the people that go because they legitimately learn a trade, the people that take a random ass class because it's easier than high school). Asherlee10 posted... NathanX95 posted... AugustAdoulin posted... anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill This is just straight up bullshit. While it is true that many can do it, most aren't willing to. It's hard intensive labor and the fact that you're defending slave wages for a such a physically demanding job means you're a shit person. I suppose DarkChozo will say that the physical demand is the response to my post in #9. However, I'm not sure of the reasoning behind this. Wouldn't the market dictate the pay scale in this case? You know that multiple factors play into how a job pays. Physical demand and danger do indeed matter. Look at road construction for an example. It's defined by being low skill, specifically for people that are too stupid or talentless to do specialized construction. It still pays a lot more than this factory is offering. And the market does dictate the pay scale. There are quite a few other factories and quarries around here, and they pay much better. It shouldn't surprise you that those places aren't hiring very often. The employees stick around. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:881154258] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>lmao. I'd gladly do it if I didn't already have a much higher paying degree.</quote> Bullshit <cite>Canuklehead posted...</cite> <quote>It would seem there ARE a lot of people willing to do that kind of job if they feel they can fill their line with workers at $11/hour.</quote> I doubt they fill their line. I get the feeling they prey on the stupid people that went to a Votech type thing and are having trouble adjusting after graduation (not the people that go because they legitimately learn a trade, the people that take a random ass class because it's easier than high school). <cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NathanX95 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote>anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill</quote> This is just straight up bullshit. While it is true that many can do it, most aren't willing to. It's hard intensive labor and the fact that you're defending slave wages for a such a physically demanding job means you're a shit person.</quote> I suppose DarkChozo will say that the physical demand is the response to my post in #9. However, I'm not sure of the reasoning behind this. Wouldn't the market dictate the pay scale in this case?</quote> You know that multiple factors play into how a job pays. Physical demand and danger do indeed matter. Look at road construction for an example. It's defined by being low skill, specifically for people that are too stupid or talentless to do specialized construction. It still pays a lot more than this factory is offering. And the market does dictate the pay scale. There are quite a few other factories and quarries around here, and they pay much better. It shouldn't surprise you that those places aren't hiring very often. The employees stick around.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 06/15/17 10:37:07 AM #20:	averagejoel posted... #SeizeTheMeansOfProduction --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:881154306] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>#SeizeTheMeansOfProduction</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerSlaw 06/15/17 10:38:04 AM #21:	Go to welding school. --- "Wait a minute...If I ever get a hold of you, I will thank you for showing me the futility of human endeavor." <cite>KillerSlaw posted [p:881154373] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote>Go to welding school.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 06/15/17 10:41:38 AM #22:	AugustAdoulin posted... If you can't really offer anything beyond manual labor you're easily replaced. :v Of course you're going to get paid squat. Same with fast food. You're expendable. This is the way republicans want it. :v You guys voted them in so now you're stuck with it. What do you do buddy? You sound like somebody working in an entree level tech job, I'm curious if that's the case. Annihilated posted... WRONG. Most ARE willing to work for that wage, that's why the wage is what it is in the first place. If they couldn't fill the position in time, they'd raise the wage to attract more applicants. Most people aren't willing to work for that wage, and those desperate enough (about to go to jail for failure to pay child support, getting kicked out, ect) to need it don't stay very long. That's why these shitty places are always hiring when other factories aren't. BlazinBlue88 posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... But it's long hours and physically demanding. Really depends on the factory and what the position is. Not every factory runs on 12 hour shifts and many line positions aren't physically demanding in the least. This particular factory has 10 hour days, and is indeed quite physically demanding. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:881154551] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote>If you can't really offer anything beyond manual labor you're easily replaced. :v Of course you're going to get paid squat. Same with fast food. You're expendable. This is the way republicans want it. :v You guys voted them in so now you're stuck with it.</quote> What do you do buddy? You sound like somebody working in an entree level tech job, I'm curious if that's the case. <cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>WRONG. Most ARE willing to work for that wage, that's why the wage is what it is in the first place. If they couldn't fill the position in time, they'd raise the wage to attract more applicants.</quote> Most people aren't willing to work for that wage, and those desperate enough (about to go to jail for failure to pay child support, getting kicked out, ect) to need it don't stay very long. That's why these shitty places are always hiring when other factories aren't. <cite>BlazinBlue88 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>But it's long hours and physically demanding. </quote> Really depends on the factory and what the position is. Not every factory runs on 12 hour shifts and many line positions aren't physically demanding in the least.</quote> This particular factory has 10 hour days, and is indeed quite physically demanding.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 06/15/17 10:44:12 AM #23:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Annihilated posted... lmao. I'd gladly do it if I didn't already have a much higher paying degree. Bullshit Nice try, but you're wrong again. AugustAdoulin posted... If you can't really offer anything beyond manual labor you're easily replaced. :v Of course you're going to get paid squat. Same with fast food. You're expendable. This is the way republicans want it. LMAO, guess again, genius. Which party wanted to raise the minimum wage to absurd levels in order to REDUCE the number of jobs for unskilled people and make them even MORE replaceable? Give you a hint, it ends in "rats." <cite>Annihilated posted [p:881154683] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Annihilated posted... lmao. I'd gladly do it if I didn't already have a much higher paying degree. Bullshit</quote> Nice try, but you're wrong again. <cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote>If you can't really offer anything beyond manual labor you're easily replaced. :v Of course you're going to get paid squat. Same with fast food. You're expendable. This is the way republicans want it. </quote> LMAO, guess again, genius. Which party wanted to raise the minimum wage to absurd levels in order to REDUCE the number of jobs for unskilled people and make them even MORE replaceable? Give you a hint, it ends in "rats."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommunismFTW 06/15/17 10:49:37 AM #24:	Non unionized labor is the lowest paying ratio of work in to pay out in this country. Retail and Food Service are infinitely more evolved in the growing market, that is why waiters/bartenders can leave with $200+ a day if you work 9 hours and bust your ass. I know a guy that does roofing and that includes lifting 50lb sacks of stones up 6 flights of stairs all day and he makes $9.50 because it isn't unionized. Best try to find another trade or job with certifications, a union, and security. A friend of mine slept through trade school, got his HVAC licenses, works for one of those "WE'LL FIX YOUR AIR IN 24 HOUR" van companies and makes $75/h and works 30 hours a week and texts me more than he works. --- Since only from below can one better see the heights. http://i.imgur.com/OhZgm.jpg <cite>CommunismFTW posted [p:881154969] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote>Non unionized labor is the lowest paying ratio of work in to pay out in this country. Retail and Food Service are infinitely more evolved in the growing market, that is why waiters/bartenders can leave with $200+ a day if you work 9 hours and bust your ass. I know a guy that does roofing and that includes lifting 50lb sacks of stones up 6 flights of stairs all day and he makes $9.50 because it isn't unionized. Best try to find another trade or job with certifications, a union, and security. A friend of mine slept through trade school, got his HVAC licenses, works for one of those "WE'LL FIX YOUR AIR IN 24 HOUR" van companies and makes $75/h and works 30 hours a week and texts me more than he works.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AugustAdoulin 06/15/17 10:52:51 AM #25:	Annihilated posted... LMAO, guess again, genius. Which party wanted to raise the minimum wage to absurd levels in order to REDUCE the number of jobs for unskilled people and make them even MORE replaceable? Give you a hint, it ends in "rats." so instead we've got republicans having people working for unlivable wages. Enjoy those shitty wages I guess. :v --- http://i.imgur.com/oxJUXM4.jpg <cite>AugustAdoulin posted [p:881155150] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>LMAO, guess again, genius. Which party wanted to raise the minimum wage to absurd levels in order to REDUCE the number of jobs for unskilled people and make them even MORE replaceable? Give you a hint, it ends in "rats."</quote> so instead we've got republicans having people working for unlivable wages. Enjoy those shitty wages I guess. :v</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AugustAdoulin 06/15/17 10:55:10 AM #26:	DarkChozoGhost posted... What do you do buddy? You sound like somebody working in an entree level tech job, I'm curious if that's the case. Billing Specialist for a state run mental health center. :v --- http://i.imgur.com/oxJUXM4.jpg <cite>AugustAdoulin posted [p:881155289] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>What do you do buddy? You sound like somebody working in an entree level tech job, I'm curious if that's the case.</quote> Billing Specialist for a state run mental health center. :v</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 06/15/17 10:55:13 AM #27:	AugustAdoulin posted... Annihilated posted... LMAO, guess again, genius. Which party wanted to raise the minimum wage to absurd levels in order to REDUCE the number of jobs for unskilled people and make them even MORE replaceable? Give you a hint, it ends in "rats." so instead we've got republicans having people working for unlivable wages. Enjoy those shitty wages I guess. :v Unlivable wages are better than no wages. And it's only "unlivable" depending on what you do with it. Sorry you can't have your 2 bedroom apartment with no roommates, a new car in the lot, and the latest iPhone every 2 years. Also republicans don't determine wages, the market does. Keep trying, snowflake. <cite>Annihilated posted [p:881155293] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>LMAO, guess again, genius. Which party wanted to raise the minimum wage to absurd levels in order to REDUCE the number of jobs for unskilled people and make them even MORE replaceable? Give you a hint, it ends in "rats."</quote> so instead we've got republicans having people working for unlivable wages. Enjoy those shitty wages I guess. :v</quote> Unlivable wages are better than no wages. And it's only "unlivable" depending on what you do with it. Sorry you can't have your 2 bedroom apartment with no roommates, a new car in the lot, and the latest iPhone every 2 years. Also republicans don't determine wages, the market does. Keep trying, snowflake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AugustAdoulin 06/15/17 10:56:41 AM #28:	Annihilated posted... Unlivable wages are better than no wages. And it's only "unlivable" depending on what you do with it. Sorry you can't have your 2 bedroom apartment with no roommates, a new car in the lot, and the latest iPhone every 2 years. Also republicans don't determine wages, the market does. Keep trying, snowflake. I've been trying and I'm already making more money than these republican voting wagecucks :u --- http://i.imgur.com/oxJUXM4.jpg <cite>AugustAdoulin posted [p:881155382] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>Unlivable wages are better than no wages. And it's only "unlivable" depending on what you do with it. Sorry you can't have your 2 bedroom apartment with no roommates, a new car in the lot, and the latest iPhone every 2 years. Also republicans don't determine wages, the market does. Keep trying, snowflake.</quote> I've been trying and I'm already making more money than these republican voting wagecucks :u</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 06/15/17 11:00:26 AM #29:	CommunismFTW posted... Non unionized labor is the lowest paying ratio of work in to pay out in this country. Retail and Food Service are infinitely more evolved in the growing market, that is why waiters/bartenders can leave with $200+ a day if you work 9 hours and bust your ass. I know a guy that does roofing and that includes lifting 50lb sacks of stones up 6 flights of stairs all day and he makes $9.50 because it isn't unionized. Best try to find another trade or job with certifications, a union, and security. A friend of mine slept through trade school, got his HVAC licenses, works for one of those "WE'LL FIX YOUR AIR IN 24 HOUR" van companies and makes $75/h and works 30 hours a week and texts me more than he works. Yeah it's pretty ridiculous. AugustAdoulin posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... What do you do buddy? You sound like somebody working in an entree level tech job, I'm curious if that's the case. Billing Specialist for a state run mental health center. :v ...lol --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:881155578] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>CommunismFTW posted...</cite> <quote>Non unionized labor is the lowest paying ratio of work in to pay out in this country. Retail and Food Service are infinitely more evolved in the growing market, that is why waiters/bartenders can leave with $200+ a day if you work 9 hours and bust your ass. I know a guy that does roofing and that includes lifting 50lb sacks of stones up 6 flights of stairs all day and he makes $9.50 because it isn't unionized. Best try to find another trade or job with certifications, a union, and security. A friend of mine slept through trade school, got his HVAC licenses, works for one of those "WE'LL FIX YOUR AIR IN 24 HOUR" van companies and makes $75/h and works 30 hours a week and texts me more than he works.</quote> Yeah it's pretty ridiculous. <cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>What do you do buddy? You sound like somebody working in an entree level tech job, I'm curious if that's the case.</quote> Billing Specialist for a state run mental health center. :v</quote> ...lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
E32005 06/15/17 11:01:58 AM #30:	That's a scam wage for risky work --- http://i.imgur.com/LAvnefi.gif http://i.imgur.com/6kW9fXL.gif <cite>E32005 posted [p:881155670] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote>That's a scam wage for risky work</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/15/17 11:02:53 AM #31:	Annihilated posted... LMAO, guess again, genius. Which party wanted to raise the minimum wage to absurd levels in order to REDUCE the number of jobs for unskilled people and make them even MORE replaceable? Give you a hint, it ends in "rats." In the aggregate, raising the minimum wage doesn't reduce the number of jobs much at all. What it actually does is reduce the pool of hire-able workers. The job really is suddenly "worth" $15 now. The big question is whether or not the individual employee is worth $15. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:881155722] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>LMAO, guess again, genius. Which party wanted to raise the minimum wage to absurd levels in order to REDUCE the number of jobs for unskilled people and make them even MORE replaceable? Give you a hint, it ends in "rats."</quote> In the aggregate, raising the minimum wage doesn't reduce the number of jobs much at all. What it actually does is reduce the pool of hire-able workers. The job really is suddenly "worth" $15 now. The big question is whether or not the individual employee is worth $15.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommunismFTW 06/15/17 11:09:09 AM #32:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Yeah it's pretty ridiculous. You seem smart so my best advice to you is recalculate. What does my resume look like? What is the biggest thing about my city or town? E.G: I live in Philadelphia, it's ALL about EMT work and Medical Nursing. How can you realize the entrance into that market, and do you even want to? Trade School or a BA? Etc. Figure it out, and then move forward. Don't sit complacent and angry at a crappy wage unless you're living comfortably. I always recommend waiting or bartending over non-unionized labor or grunt work every day of the week if you're in the USA. If you can, even a host(ess) position at a restauraunt will pay $11/h AFTER tip outs and all you do is seat people and smile a lot. Then move up from there. Don't work for applebee's though, work for that popular pub or mom and pop steakhouse. --- Since only from below can one better see the heights. http://i.imgur.com/OhZgm.jpg <cite>CommunismFTW posted [p:881156043] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah it's pretty ridiculous.</quote> You seem smart so my best advice to you is recalculate. What does my resume look like? What is the biggest thing about my city or town? E.G: I live in Philadelphia, it's ALL about EMT work and Medical Nursing. How can you realize the entrance into that market, and do you even want to? Trade School or a BA? Etc. Figure it out, and then move forward. Don't sit complacent and angry at a crappy wage unless you're living comfortably. I always recommend waiting or bartending over non-unionized labor or grunt work every day of the week if you're in the USA. If you can, even a host(ess) position at a restauraunt will pay $11/h AFTER tip outs and all you do is seat people and smile a lot. Then move up from there. Don't work for applebee's though, work for that popular pub or mom and pop steakhouse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smoke944 06/15/17 11:17:16 AM #33:	That's not very much money, but factory work is probably going to be in that range unless unionized and for a huge company. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejCCEAjDU7U <cite>Smoke944 posted [p:881156530] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote>That's not very much money, but factory work is probably going to be in that range unless unionized and for a huge company.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IllegalAlien 06/15/17 11:19:45 AM #34:	DarkChozoGhost posted... AugustAdoulin posted... anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill But it's long hours and physically demanding. You should be making at a bare minimum $12.50 for your probationary first few months, and $13 after that. You shouldn't make less than a waiter that only works 3 days a week. Thats a pretty arbitrary ass number lmao. --- "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." <cite>IllegalAlien posted [p:881156645] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote>anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill</quote> But it's long hours and physically demanding. You should be making at a bare minimum $12.50 for your probationary first few months, and $13 after that. You shouldn't make less than a waiter that only works 3 days a week. </quote> Thats a pretty arbitrary ass number lmao.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 06/15/17 11:20:37 AM #35:	CommunismFTW posted... You seem smart so my best advice to you is recalculate. What does my resume look like? What is the biggest thing about my city or town? E.G: I live in Philadelphia, it's ALL about EMT work and Medical Nursing. How can you realize the entrance into that market, and do you even want to? Trade School or a BA? Etc. Figure it out, and then move forward. Don't sit complacent and angry at a crappy wage unless you're living comfortably. I always recommend waiting or bartending over non-unionized labor or grunt work every day of the week if you're in the USA. If you can, even a host(ess) position at a restauraunt will pay $11/h AFTER tip outs and all you do is seat people and smile a lot. Then move up from there. Don't work for applebee's though, work for that popular pub or mom and pop steakhouse. Yeah, I'm a line cook. I'm moving back with my parents to help take care of my mom (early onset Alzheimer's progressed while I was gone), and for now I'm going to be working part time at my old restaurant (it is Mom and Pop, but they're hired someone else for my job in the meantime). I'll try to move to a bigger restaurant, and I'm looking to get Sevsafe certified so I can be a shift supervisor. I made this topic because I came across that job advert, and thought it was ridiculous enough to share/ --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:881156694] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>CommunismFTW posted...</cite> <quote> You seem smart so my best advice to you is recalculate. What does my resume look like? What is the biggest thing about my city or town? E.G: I live in Philadelphia, it's ALL about EMT work and Medical Nursing. How can you realize the entrance into that market, and do you even want to? Trade School or a BA? Etc. Figure it out, and then move forward. Don't sit complacent and angry at a crappy wage unless you're living comfortably. I always recommend waiting or bartending over non-unionized labor or grunt work every day of the week if you're in the USA. If you can, even a host(ess) position at a restauraunt will pay $11/h AFTER tip outs and all you do is seat people and smile a lot. Then move up from there. Don't work for applebee's though, work for that popular pub or mom and pop steakhouse.</quote> Yeah, I'm a line cook. I'm moving back with my parents to help take care of my mom (early onset Alzheimer's progressed while I was gone), and for now I'm going to be working part time at my old restaurant (it is Mom and Pop, but they're hired someone else for my job in the meantime). I'll try to move to a bigger restaurant, and I'm looking to get Sevsafe certified so I can be a shift supervisor. I made this topic because I came across that job advert, and thought it was ridiculous enough to share/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 06/15/17 11:22:41 AM #36:	Monday posted... AugustAdoulin posted... anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill The same way anyone can do fast food for minimum wage, right? I mean, these are just entry level jobs, why should they be earning a livable wage for doing them? Because some people do have to live on them. It sucks that some people can't get better jobs but does that mean they need to take two full time jobs to care for their family. --- when you stub your toes it's the SJWs fualt. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:881156810] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>Monday posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote>anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill</quote> The same way anyone can do fast food for minimum wage, right? I mean, these are just entry level jobs, why should they be earning a livable wage for doing them?</quote> Because some people do have to live on them. It sucks that some people can't get better jobs but does that mean they need to take two full time jobs to care for their family.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flasbangs 06/15/17 11:25:13 AM #37:	If you're not happy with the minimum wage, sell drugs. You make good money and can probably get a free education in prison if you get caught. --- "That's the metaphorical equivalent of flopping your wedding tackle into a lion's mouth and flicking his love spuds with a wet towel" - Arnold Rimmer <cite>Flasbangs posted [p:881156937] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote>If you're not happy with the minimum wage, sell drugs. You make good money and can probably get a free education in prison if you get caught.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 06/15/17 11:28:33 AM #38:	Questionmarktarius posted... Annihilated posted... LMAO, guess again, genius. Which party wanted to raise the minimum wage to absurd levels in order to REDUCE the number of jobs for unskilled people and make them even MORE replaceable? Give you a hint, it ends in "rats." In the aggregate, raising the minimum wage doesn't reduce the number of jobs much at all. What it actually does is reduce the pool of hire-able workers. The job really is suddenly "worth" $15 now. The big question is whether or not the individual employee is worth $15. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/29/study-raising-the-minimum-wage-did-little-for-workers-earnings-in-seattle/?utm_term=.0e5bcd828bdc Three things to keep in mind. 1. Most major minimum wage increases happened in large wealthy cities like Seattle and San Francisco during a period where job and wage growth was already on the rise, so the increase was more easily absorbed. 2. The increased wages were offset by decreased hours, as predicted, meaning workers were no better off than they were before. 3. Higher paid jobs of course are not going to be lost since they were already high paying to begin with. However, job growth below the threshold even in Seattle was in fact slower than it would have been if the minimum wage had been left alone. The total number of lost jobs might not be seen until years from now, when you factor in the jobs that would have been created. What you're claiming is mathematically impossible. You cannot make the same pool of workers less hireable while maintaining a constant number of jobs and in many cases doubling the labor cost. Otherwise, you might as well be saying the only reason they're paying lower wages is so they can have less hireable workers. It makes no sense. <cite>Annihilated posted [p:881157113] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>LMAO, guess again, genius. Which party wanted to raise the minimum wage to absurd levels in order to REDUCE the number of jobs for unskilled people and make them even MORE replaceable? Give you a hint, it ends in "rats."</quote> In the aggregate, raising the minimum wage doesn't reduce the number of jobs much at all. What it actually does is reduce the pool of hire-able workers. The job really is suddenly "worth" $15 now. The big question is whether or not the individual employee is worth $15.</quote> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/29/study-raising-the-minimum-wage-did-little-for-workers-earnings-in-seattle/?utm_term=.0e5bcd828bdc Three things to keep in mind. 1. Most major minimum wage increases happened in large wealthy cities like Seattle and San Francisco during a period where job and wage growth was already on the rise, so the increase was more easily absorbed. 2. The increased wages were offset by decreased hours, as predicted, meaning workers were no better off than they were before. 3. Higher paid jobs of course are not going to be lost since they were already high paying to begin with. However, job growth below the threshold even in Seattle was in fact slower than it would have been if the minimum wage had been left alone. The total number of lost jobs might not be seen until years from now, when you factor in the jobs that would have been created. What you're claiming is mathematically impossible. You cannot make the same pool of workers less hireable while maintaining a constant number of jobs and in many cases doubling the labor cost. Otherwise, you might as well be saying the only reason they're paying lower wages is so they can have less hireable workers. It makes no sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unquestionable 06/15/17 11:32:36 AM #39:	Annihilated posted... 2. The increased wages were offset by decreased hours, as predicted, meaning workers were no better off than they were before. Isn't more free time a net positive? I know that if I could get the exact same pay every week but work ten hours less I would take it. Not only does it give you more time to decompress from being at work but also gives more opportunity to find another job if you're so inclined. --- Immanentize the eschaton <cite>Unquestionable posted [p:881157324] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>2. The increased wages were offset by decreased hours, as predicted, meaning workers were no better off than they were before. </quote> Isn't more free time a net positive? I know that if I could get the exact same pay every week but work ten hours less I would take it. Not only does it give you more time to decompress from being at work but also gives more opportunity to find another job if you're so inclined.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 06/15/17 11:39:17 AM #40:	Unquestionable posted... Annihilated posted... 2. The increased wages were offset by decreased hours, as predicted, meaning workers were no better off than they were before. Isn't more free time a net positive? I know that if I could get the exact same pay every week but work ten hours less I would take it. Not only does it give you more time to decompress from being at work but also gives more opportunity to find another job if you're so inclined. I thought the problem was the money they were earning wasn't enough to live on, not the lack of free time. When you live on the same amount of money per week but have more hours available to work, that will just result in more workers looking for second jobs which are even more scarce now that many of those jobs have been eliminated and the number of people competing for those jobs has increased probably twofold. <cite>Annihilated posted [p:881157726] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>Unquestionable posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>2. The increased wages were offset by decreased hours, as predicted, meaning workers were no better off than they were before. </quote> Isn't more free time a net positive? I know that if I could get the exact same pay every week but work ten hours less I would take it. Not only does it give you more time to decompress from being at work but also gives more opportunity to find another job if you're so inclined.</quote> I thought the problem was the money they were earning wasn't enough to live on, not the lack of free time. When you live on the same amount of money per week but have more hours available to work, that will just result in more workers looking for second jobs which are even more scarce now that many of those jobs have been eliminated and the number of people competing for those jobs has increased probably twofold.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/15/17 11:40:50 AM #41:	Annihilated posted... What you're claiming is mathematically impossible. You cannot make the same pool of workers less hireable while maintaining a constant number of jobs and in many cases doubling the labor cost. Otherwise, you might as well be saying the only reason they're paying lower wages is so they can have less hireable workers. It makes no sense. Aggregate number of jobs remains roughly the same. The number of people worth hiring decreases significantly. You've got a job opening, offering $8. Somehow there's 200 applicants. You go thought the applications, and maybe a dozen are worth interviewing, with the rest being a waste of time for various reasons. or... You've got the same job opening, offering $15. Somehow there's 200 applicants. You go thought the applications, and maybe six are worth interviewing, with the rest being a waste of time for a few more various reasons. At $15/hr, the unwillingness to work late or weekends, or the slightest deviation from attendance or productivity, means you're not keeping that job for very long. There's still a line of 199 people behind you, and maybe one of them will be a better employee than you. All we get is churn and turnover, until any given employer has eventually filtered out the chaff and rarely has openings anyway. That's what "less-hireable" means. Similar to buying anything, if the minimum cost increases for some arbitrary reason, the lower-quality anythings will be left to rot on the shelf. When you're no longer allowed to buy a discolored, malformed, or holey tomato for less, you're just going to buy the best tomatoes you can find at the mandated-minimum price. In the end, it really does end up hurting the people it's meant to help, just not in the most obvious way. Jobs aren't really lost, but some people just can't get a job or hold it very long, at the current price-floor. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:881157819] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>What you're claiming is mathematically impossible. You cannot make the same pool of workers less hireable while maintaining a constant number of jobs and in many cases doubling the labor cost. Otherwise, you might as well be saying the only reason they're paying lower wages is so they can have less hireable workers. It makes no sense.</quote> Aggregate number of jobs remains roughly the same. The number of people worth hiring decreases significantly. You've got a job opening, offering $8. Somehow there's 200 applicants. You go thought the applications, and maybe a dozen are worth interviewing, with the rest being a waste of time for various reasons. or... You've got the same job opening, offering $15. Somehow there's 200 applicants. You go thought the applications, and maybe six are worth interviewing, with the rest being a waste of time for a few more various reasons. At $15/hr, the unwillingness to work late or weekends, or the slightest deviation from attendance or productivity, means you're not keeping that job for very long. There's still a line of 199 people behind you, and maybe one of them will be a better employee than you. All we get is churn and turnover, until any given employer has eventually filtered out the chaff and rarely has openings anyway. That's what "less-hireable" means. Similar to buying anything, if the minimum cost increases for some arbitrary reason, the lower-quality anythings will be left to rot on the shelf. When you're no longer allowed to buy a discolored, malformed, or holey tomato for less, you're just going to buy the best tomatoes you can find at the mandated-minimum price. In the end, it really does end up hurting the people it's meant to help, just not in the most obvious way. Jobs aren't really lost, but some people just can't get a job or hold it very long, at the current price-floor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tripZ504 06/15/17 11:52:59 AM #42:	Canuklehead posted... NathanX95 posted... AugustAdoulin posted... anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill This is just straight up bullshit. While it is true that many can do it, most aren't willing to. It's hard intensive labor and the fact that you're defending slave wages for a such a physically demanding job means you're a shit person. It would seem there ARE a lot of people willing to do that kind of job if they feel they can fill their line with workers at $11/hour. It wont change till they cant find anyone willing to do it for that. One place i was at had to raise the wage for temps. Went a whole year without one coming in. <cite>tripZ504 posted [p:881158548] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>Canuklehead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NathanX95 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote>anyone can do it... you don't really deserve much more than that. :v go learn a real skill</quote> This is just straight up bullshit. While it is true that many can do it, most aren't willing to. It's hard intensive labor and the fact that you're defending slave wages for a such a physically demanding job means you're a shit person.</quote> It would seem there ARE a lot of people willing to do that kind of job if they feel they can fill their line with workers at $11/hour.</quote> It wont change till they cant find anyone willing to do it for that. One place i was at had to raise the wage for temps. Went a whole year without one coming in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 06/15/17 12:05:52 PM #43:	Questionmarktarius posted... Annihilated posted... What you're claiming is mathematically impossible. You cannot make the same pool of workers less hireable while maintaining a constant number of jobs and in many cases doubling the labor cost. Otherwise, you might as well be saying the only reason they're paying lower wages is so they can have less hireable workers. It makes no sense. Aggregate number of jobs remains roughly the same. The number of people worth hiring decreases significantly. You've got a job opening, offering $8. Somehow there's 200 applicants. You go thought the applications, and maybe a dozen are worth interviewing, with the rest being a waste of time for various reasons. or... You've got the same job opening, offering $15. Somehow there's 200 applicants. You go thought the applications, and maybe six are worth interviewing, with the rest being a waste of time for a few more various reasons. At $15/hr, the unwillingness to work late or weekends, or the slightest deviation from attendance or productivity, means you're not keeping that job for very long. There's still a line of 199 people behind you, and maybe one of them will be a better employee than you. All we get is churn and turnover, until any given employer has eventually filtered out the chaff and rarely has openings anyway. That's what "less-hireable" means. Similar to buying anything, if the minimum cost increases for some arbitrary reason, the lower-quality anythings will be left to rot on the shelf. When you're no longer allowed to buy a discolored, malformed, or holey tomato for less, you're just going to buy the best tomatoes you can find at the mandated-minimum price. In the end, it really does end up hurting the people it's meant to help, just not in the most obvious way. Jobs aren't really lost, but some people just can't get a job or hold it very long, at the current price-floor. I fully understand how higher wages reduce the number of hireable people. So does job scarcity. But saying that the number of available jobs isn't affected is simply false. They have to be affected, it's a law of supply and demand. I've shopped at several different Krogers who each hired different types of baggers, the few that there were at least. Some of them hired teenagers still in high school, some of them hired elderly people who just wanted to stay busy, and some of them hired people with Down's syndrome who really couldn't do any other type of work. And yet a bunch of entitled college kids are complaining that these jobs are not enticing enough to THEM. Assuming those jobs still existed (we don't even really need baggers when the cashier/shopper usually do the bagging themselves), you think the stores would still hire those people? You think they'd take a chance on anyone with a criminal history? Rhetorical questions, of course they wouldn't. <cite>Annihilated posted [p:881159389] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>What you're claiming is mathematically impossible. You cannot make the same pool of workers less hireable while maintaining a constant number of jobs and in many cases doubling the labor cost. Otherwise, you might as well be saying the only reason they're paying lower wages is so they can have less hireable workers. It makes no sense.</quote> Aggregate number of jobs remains roughly the same. The number of people worth hiring decreases significantly. You've got a job opening, offering $8. Somehow there's 200 applicants. You go thought the applications, and maybe a dozen are worth interviewing, with the rest being a waste of time for various reasons. or... You've got the same job opening, offering $15. Somehow there's 200 applicants. You go thought the applications, and maybe six are worth interviewing, with the rest being a waste of time for a few more various reasons. At $15/hr, the unwillingness to work late or weekends, or the slightest deviation from attendance or productivity, means you're not keeping that job for very long. There's still a line of 199 people behind you, and maybe one of them will be a better employee than you. All we get is churn and turnover, until any given employer has eventually filtered out the chaff and rarely has openings anyway. That's what "less-hireable" means. Similar to buying anything, if the minimum cost increases for some arbitrary reason, the lower-quality anythings will be left to rot on the shelf. When you're no longer allowed to buy a discolored, malformed, or holey tomato for less, you're just going to buy the best tomatoes you can find at the mandated-minimum price. In the end, it really does end up hurting the people it's meant to help, just not in the most obvious way. Jobs aren't really lost, but some people just can't get a job or hold it very long, at the current price-floor.</quote> I fully understand how higher wages reduce the number of hireable people. So does job scarcity. But saying that the number of available jobs isn't affected is simply false. They have to be affected, it's a law of supply and demand. I've shopped at several different Krogers who each hired different types of baggers, the few that there were at least. Some of them hired teenagers still in high school, some of them hired elderly people who just wanted to stay busy, and some of them hired people with Down's syndrome who really couldn't do any other type of work. And yet a bunch of entitled college kids are complaining that these jobs are not enticing enough to THEM. Assuming those jobs still existed (we don't even really need baggers when the cashier/shopper usually do the bagging themselves), you think the stores would still hire those people? You think they'd take a chance on anyone with a criminal history? Rhetorical questions, of course they wouldn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/15/17 12:10:54 PM #44:	Annihilated posted... I fully understand how higher wages reduce the number of hireable people. So does job scarcity. But saying that the number of available jobs isn't affected is simply false. They have to be affected, it's a law of supply and demand. In aggregate, the total number of jobs doesn't change much, except when an idealistic increase is dropped onto a recession. http://www.nelp.org/content/uploads/NELP-Data-Brief-Raise-Wages-Kill-Jobs-No-Correlation.pdf <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:881159676] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>I fully understand how higher wages reduce the number of hireable people. So does job scarcity. But saying that the number of available jobs isn't affected is simply false. They have to be affected, it's a law of supply and demand.</quote> In aggregate, the total number of jobs doesn't change much, except when an idealistic increase is dropped onto a recession. http://www.nelp.org/content/uploads/NELP-Data-Brief-Raise-Wages-Kill-Jobs-No-Correlation.pdf</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 06/15/17 12:46:02 PM #45:	Questionmarktarius posted... Annihilated posted... I fully understand how higher wages reduce the number of hireable people. So does job scarcity. But saying that the number of available jobs isn't affected is simply false. They have to be affected, it's a law of supply and demand. In aggregate, the total number of jobs doesn't change much, except when an idealistic increase is dropped onto a recession. http://www.nelp.org/content/uploads/NELP-Data-Brief-Raise-Wages-Kill-Jobs-No-Correlation.pdf And that's exactly the problem. In a healthy economy, a wage increase shouldn't have much impact simply because the wages would have risen on their own anyway, making the legally mandated increase pointless. Which means, the best case scenario of a minimum wage increase is that nothing happens. In the worst case, workers are laid off, displaced, replaced, and businesses will have to increase prices or shut down. But just because wages were increased during economic growth doesn't mean that those problems will go away when the next recession happens. The higher the minimum wage is, the more unskilled jobs will be lost or reduced. <cite>Annihilated posted [p:881161826] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>I fully understand how higher wages reduce the number of hireable people. So does job scarcity. But saying that the number of available jobs isn't affected is simply false. They have to be affected, it's a law of supply and demand.</quote> In aggregate, the total number of jobs doesn't change much, except when an idealistic increase is dropped onto a recession. http://www.nelp.org/content/uploads/NELP-Data-Brief-Raise-Wages-Kill-Jobs-No-Correlation.pdf</quote> And that's exactly the problem. In a healthy economy, a wage increase shouldn't have much impact simply because the wages would have risen on their own anyway, making the legally mandated increase pointless. Which means, the best case scenario of a minimum wage increase is that nothing happens. In the worst case, workers are laid off, displaced, replaced, and businesses will have to increase prices or shut down. But just because wages were increased during economic growth doesn't mean that those problems will go away when the next recession happens. The higher the minimum wage is, the more unskilled jobs will be lost or reduced.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/15/17 12:51:32 PM #46:	Annihilated posted... The higher the minimum wage is, the more unskilled jobs will be lost or reduced. Thus all a wage-floor really is, is a skill-floor. The people who were vaguely skilled get to keep jobs. The unskilled and unreliable quickly realize that the true minimum wage is zero. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:881162123] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>The higher the minimum wage is, the more unskilled jobs will be lost or reduced.</quote> Thus all a wage-floor really is, is a skill-floor. The people who were vaguely skilled get to keep jobs. The unskilled and unreliable quickly realize that the true minimum wage is zero.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 06/15/17 1:09:19 PM #47:	because the wages would have risen on their own anyway, Ha! --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:881163222] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote><quote>because the wages would have risen on their own anyway,</quote> Ha!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roxborough4Ever 06/15/17 1:10:41 PM #48:	anybody can "do it"...but can they do it good? fast? with quality? hate that dumbass arguement that "anybody" could work at mcdonalds......yeah, you could work there for a few hours before they fire your slow incompetent ass --- You feast on red herring because it is your birthright. <cite>Roxborough4Ever posted [p:881163315] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote>anybody can "do it"...but can they do it good? fast? with quality? hate that dumbass arguement that "anybody" could work at mcdonalds......yeah, you could work there for a few hours before they fire your slow incompetent ass</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cerealbox760 06/15/17 1:14:56 PM #49:	Dont blame your employers. Blame the market. The market is telling them 11hr. Increase your worth and then you will be able to charge more for your time. --- Clevo P775 QHD 120hz / i7 7700k 4.5GHZ / GTX 1070 8GB / DDR4 16GB/ 256gb m.2 SSD /Magni-Modi DAC_AMP combo/ ie800. Laptop on the outside. Desktop on the inside. <cite>cerealbox760 posted [p:881163620] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote>Dont blame your employers. Blame the market. The market is telling them 11hr. Increase your worth and then you will be able to charge more for your time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jackgunney 06/15/17 1:19:44 PM #50:	$21.50 an hour at the factory I work, but I'm in maintenance. When I was in production I was making $17.65. We go through so many fresh out of high school graduates on temp programs (making $13 an hour) because they can't handle the work, when honestly it isn't that bad after the first few days. The work we do involves muscles most people aren't used to using so they get sore and quit. --- http://i.minus.com/ieOpLcuqiqfcb.gif http://i.minus.com/ibiGqRtGU0KZ8K.gif <cite>jackgunney posted [p:881163945] in They want ... [t:75464266]...</cite> <quote>$21.50 an hour at the factory I work, but I'm in maintenance. When I was in production I was making $17.65. We go through so many fresh out of high school graduates on temp programs (making $13 an hour) because they can't handle the work, when honestly it isn't that bad after the first few days. The work we do involves muscles most people aren't used to using so they get sore and quit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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