Current Events > So...Why Are You Supposed To Tip A Bartender?

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Their specific service is to give you a drink. It requires minimal customer service and formality.

To insure promptness.
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My rule for tipping is any mixed drink or multiple rounds of beer gets a tip. One beer and done, I've never tipped.
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I usually just order 2 at once and then not tip. Then repeat the process with the other bartender. I never have too much when I go out so 4 is usually more than enough.

Then I never go back until like months later and it's usually new people. I'm not gonna tip them. I'd go back there myself and make my drinks if they let me.
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Because that's how they make their money. You will get shit service if you don't.
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Thunder_Armor posted...

Because that's how they make their money. You will get shit service if you don't.

I don't understand how it's so difficult to give someone a drink. Atleast with regular restaurants, the same staff member who sees you can go in the back and spit in your food, assuming you didn't tip them last time and assuming you're unlucky enough to have the same waiter/waitress.

With a bar, you're in front of them. And I don't think a lot of bartenders want to get into huge arguments with customers

I've never been anywhere where you are expected to tip a bartender, not even breweries. That's a thing?
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DumbQuestion posted...

It requires minimal customer service and formality.

DumbQuestion posted...

I don't understand how it's so difficult to give someone a drink

It certainly requires formality and interpersonal skills if they're a bartender worth their salt, and it requires a good deal of service if they're mixing cocktails and not just handing you a bottle of beer. Fucking appropriate username.
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So they won't spit in your next drink
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WizardPowers posted...

I usually just order 2 at once and then not tip. Then repeat the process with the other bartender. I never have too much when I go out so 4 is usually more than enough.

Then I never go back until like months later and it's usually new people. I'm not gonna tip them. I'd go back there myself and make my drinks if they let me.

Scumbag move

Don't go out if you aren't going to tip unless they provide bad service. I've noticed people that don't tip don't have money, aren't getting laid, and are socially awkward
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ASithLord7 posted...

DumbQuestion posted...

It requires minimal customer service and formality.

DumbQuestion posted...

I don't understand how it's so difficult to give someone a drink

It certainly requires formality and interpersonal skills if they're a bartender worth their salt, and it requires a good deal of service if they're mixing cocktails and not just handing you a bottle of beer. Fucking appropriate username.

So mixing drinks now requires extra money for basic service ?

apocalyptic_4 posted...

So they won't spit in your next drink

Don't think a lot of them are bold enough to spit in my drink when I'm watching.

So american companies can pay em less.
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I only tip if it's an open bar.
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DumbQuestion posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

DumbQuestion posted...

It requires minimal customer service and formality.

DumbQuestion posted...

I don't understand how it's so difficult to give someone a drink

It certainly requires formality and interpersonal skills if they're a bartender worth their salt, and it requires a good deal of service if they're mixing cocktails and not just handing you a bottle of beer. Fucking appropriate username.

So mixing drinks now requires extra money for basic service ?

I'm not giving an opinion on tipping, I'm saying your premise that it requires no formality or customer service is fucking stupid and ignorant.
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It's the American business model, blame the employers who undercuts their staff and pushes the cost of labor into the consumer
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It's good for me that I only ever get water so I never tip then, screw that.
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Yeah I'm not tipping someone for opening a beer or pouring some whiskey and handing it to me, but if they make a damn good cocktail I'll tip.
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ASithLord7 posted...

DumbQuestion posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

DumbQuestion posted...

It requires minimal customer service and formality.

DumbQuestion posted...

I don't understand how it's so difficult to give someone a drink

It certainly requires formality and interpersonal skills if they're a bartender worth their salt, and it requires a good deal of service if they're mixing cocktails and not just handing you a bottle of beer. Fucking appropriate username.

So mixing drinks now requires extra money for basic service ?

I'm not giving an opinion on tipping, I'm saying your premise that it requires no formality or customer service is fucking stupid and ignorant.

You're literally just giving or mixing a drink to hand to a customer. A robot might as well be able to do the same. Hell even a typical HS student can just do it with a basic boring attitude.

IMO, it's as asinine as tipping taxi drivers.

Xelltrix posted...

It's good for me that I only ever get water so I never tip then, screw that.

MC_BatCommander posted...

Yeah I'm not tipping someone for opening a beer or pouring some whiskey and handing it to me, but if they make a damn good cocktail I'll tip.

Returning_CEmen posted...

I only tip if it's an open bar.

Yeah, you can tell this is an internet forum for sure
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Is this a Complete_Idiot alt?
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Mark_DeRosa posted...

Yeah, you can tell this is an internet forum for sure

You couldn't tell by the fact that you were posting messages on the internet?
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DumbQuestion posted...

A robot might as well be able to do the same.

They have those.

Edit: I think it is called Bionic Bar and they have videos on YouTube....or they did a while back.
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Xelltrix posted...

Mark_DeRosa posted...

Yeah, you can tell this is an internet forum for sure

You couldn't tell by the fact that you were posting messages on the internet?

Oh sorry I meant a forum full of people that look like this
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/519/423/b62.jpg
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Mark_DeRosa posted...

Xelltrix posted...

Mark_DeRosa posted...

Yeah, you can tell this is an internet forum for sure

You couldn't tell by the fact that you were posting messages on the internet?

Oh sorry I meant a forum full of people that look like this
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/519/423/b62.jpg

I don't expect people that look like that go out to bars or anywhere at all, actually.
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Mark_DeRosa posted...

Scumbag move

Not really. Just because it's an expectation, doesn't mean it's justified to do it. 2 drinks should take at most 1-2 minute. You don't deserve a tip for 30 seconds - 2 minute of work.

If you're ordering stuff all night, then that's different. Don't be so wasteful with your money just because "well it's an expectation you give them extra money even though they didn't do very much"
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Xelltrix posted...

Mark_DeRosa posted...

Xelltrix posted...

Mark_DeRosa posted...

Yeah, you can tell this is an internet forum for sure

You couldn't tell by the fact that you were posting messages on the internet?

Oh sorry I meant a forum full of people that look like this
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/519/423/b62.jpg

I don't expect people that look like that go out to bars or anywhere at all, actually.

...That's his point.
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ASithLord7 posted...

...That's his point.

But that wouldn't make any sense since he's replying to people who go out to bars.

????????????
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WizardPowers posted...

Mark_DeRosa posted...

Scumbag move

Not really. Just because it's an expectation, doesn't mean it's justified to do it. 2 drinks should take at most 1-2 minute. You don't deserve a tip for 30 seconds - 2 minute of work.

If you're ordering stuff all night, then that's different. Don't be so wasteful with your money just because "well it's an expectation you give them extra money even though they didn't do very much"

Except instead of helping you, they could have been helping someone that would have tipped

They are providing a service, no matter how stupid or useless it seems to you. Whether the system is bad or not it's irrelevant, all you're doing is hurting the employee not the system. You canjust buy your own beer at a store then

For a forum that sure loves assistance and programs like a UBI, it's so strange how you guys are against someone making a living. Since their income is below minimum wage and dependant on tips
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Mark_DeRosa posted...

For a forum that sure loves assistance and programs like a UBI, it's so strange how are you against someone making a living. Since their income is below minimum wage and dependant on tips

To be fair, the employer has to compensate them up to minimum wage if they don't get enough tips.
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bunch of people itt who have never ordered drinks at a bar I guess

you tip so you get better drinks/faster service when its crowded(unless you're a hot girl, then this 2nd part doesnt matter)
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Mark_DeRosa posted...

Since their income is below minimum wage and dependant on tips

Except their employer is required to make up that difference if they don't make enough on tips. Ultimately it's not my problem that someone has a shitty paying job.
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thronedfire2 posted...

bunch of people itt who have never ordered drinks at a bar I guess

you tip so you get better drinks/faster service when its crowded(unless you're a hot girl, then this 2nd part doesnt matter)

Yup, and if you don't care about that, no point in worrying about it. Not like I need more than one cupof water a night anyway. And it's not like they're exactly fast with their service in the first place, no incentive for me to tip them anyway.
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Conflict posted...

Fast food workers also do 'service' and no one tips them

I mean I'd argue that engaging and conversing with your patrons is far more important to bartending and point out that mixing cocktails is a fairly exact science that requires far better memory and skill than tossing a burger together. You're not wrong but the level of engagement and talent is pretty different.
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Lol it's not a shit paying job, just because some virgin losers weren't taught manners or social interactions doesn't mean they're some trash tier people. I'll tip people just for the social interaction if anything, something that goes a long way. Who the fuck wants to hang out at a bar where a machine is handing you drinks.
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lol, why on earth wouldn't you? Don't have to worry about it prioritizing someone else over you. It would just go in order and be fair. I sure as hell don't bother talking to the barman anyway, I'm there to hang out with my friends or to dance if it's a club setting.
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Mark_DeRosa posted...

Lol it's not a shit paying job, just because some virgin losers weren't taught manners or social interactions doesn't mean they're some trash tier people. I'll tip people just for the social interaction if anything, something that goes a long way. Who the fuck wants to hang out at a bar where a machine is handing you drinks.

Mad as fuck, a bar that had automated drinks would be gr8 m8
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Tipping is extremely important.

My personal most important reason for keeping the tipping standard in America is the level of service we all usually receive.

If you go out often to busy bars, you'll see the bar tenders work their asses off. Very stressful, loud, fast-paced environment. They never slow down and are constantly going. Recommending drinks for you, taking instructions on how you want something specifically crafted, all while trying to pay attention to everyone else as well.

Servers are knowledgeable with the menu, and depending on what type of restaurant---very professional and skilled (not just your average college student servers. The ones that make 50k+/yr serving).

Despite the type of restaurant you're going to, you want really good service because its part of the experience. You're out downtown with your girlfriend and you two decided to get a hotel room for the night. You want to go to a nice restaurant, sample wine, and then go hit up a bar or two afterwards. You want the people serving and bartending for you to make that experience 100% enjoyable.

If they receive minimum wage/a fixed wage--- they will likely not give it their all. They'll perform what they need to do just enough to not get fired (In many cases).

Not to mention you can get kickbacks in some cases (free drinks or discounted, bar tender rings in something cheaper, etc.). This can even happen the first time you are a meeting this bartender. Same with blackjack dealers (though a little less often). I've absolutely received free hands before and I know the dealer did it intentionally. I've also been given the benefit of the doubt several times, etc---they try to take care of people as much as they can if you're nice and tipping.

Also, it keeps food costs down. Restaurants have relatively low margains and in many cases a lot of staff. Even the staff you don't see behind the scenes.
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I don't need to raise a flag, as prejudice as it is I know already. I was a bartender for the longest. I can tell just by the people in this topic who someone is. People that don't tip are, Low social status, low income, barely any friends people. Not all but most. I've bartended from sports bars to high end restaurants in downtown Chicago and it rings true throughout. People with money want good service and actually like tipping

I remember when I was bartender I had a guy come in with his family every weekend. He would look for me, hand me a 20 and would say take care of my friends and family. Every single time I would walk by him I would get 5-20 dollars. When I worked in a bowling alley and we had specific nights that tailored to a less desirable crowd, you can expect high demands with no tips
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I was a bartender so I know what's it's like lol. I've been a refrigeration serviceman for 2 years and I'm currently a police recruit waiting for the academy
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byron posted...

Mark_DeRosa posted...

I don't need to raise a flag, as prejudice as it is I know already. I was a bartender for the longest. I can tell just by the people in this topic who someone is. People that don't tip are, Low social status, low income, barely any friends people. Not all but most. I've bartended from sports bars to high end restaurants in downtown Chicago and it rings true throughout. People with money want good service and actually like tipping

I remember when I was bartender I had a guy come in with his family every weekend. He would look for me, hand me a 20 and would say take care of my friends and family. Every single time I would walk by him I would get 5-20 dollars. When I worked in a bowling alley and we had specific nights that tailored to a less desirable crowd, you can expect high demands with no tips

Bartender supports bartenders getting tips. Shocking!

I've never tended bar but as an amateur/enthusiast/home mixologist I feel pretty strongly about the role of bartenders as well.
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$70 for 7 shots of Hennessy. Don't forget the tip.

If I'm at a place where the bar tenders are making unique drinks and creating drinks, I have no issue tipping.

If I'm ordering a gin and tonic or getting a beer at a night club, why tip?

I still tip cause of social stigma and all, bit I do find tipping to be largely arbitrary
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Mark_DeRosa posted...

I don't need to raise a flag, as prejudice as it is I know already. I was a bartender for the longest. I can tell just by the people in this topic who someone is. People that don't tip are, Low social status, low income, barely any friends people. Not all but most. I've bartended from sports bars to high end restaurants in downtown Chicago and it rings true throughout. People with money want good service and actually like tipping

I remember when I was bartender I had a guy come in with his family every weekend. He would look for me, hand me a 20 and would say take care of my friends and family. Every single time I would walk by him I would get 5-20 dollars. When I worked in a bowling alley and we had specific nights that tailored to a less desirable crowd, you can expect high demands with no tips

I mean ya, if people pay you more and treat you preferably with tips, you'll give them special treatment. The thing is, when someone doesn't give you that extra pay, do you treat them below average?

How do you make those statements about people because they don't tip.
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Because they have to make you a drink while listening to your sob story on how your wife never pays attention to you and how your kids never appreciate you or how your boss always rides your ass on a daily basis.
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