Current Events > In light of the young men topic, why do so many women view themselves as special

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Reading the topic got my brain gears turning, because a lot of it seems to relates to feminism, and how it changed the dynamic of what it means to be a man in this society and how to attract a mate. While that topic covers most of the troubles men face regarding society as a whole, little was said about how women changing their dating expectations, and kept old attitudes from an antiquated and now dead dating system, help made dating and relationships with women more difficult nowadays. Now before I say anything else.

A- inb4 bitter, This is merely me stating what I seen, call me out anywhere the words I am writing aren't true, and are just me.

B- I do not mean this as a negative or a generalization to women at all.

From my experience, a lot, and I mean a lot, of women believe themselves to be unique and entitled to special treatment solely because of their gender. This attitude is prevalent in phrases like "Daddy's little girl", being called princess, expecting to be catered to and taken care of, not wanting to pay on date, you know the works. The issue is this mentality was valid in the 1960s and before, when women was effectively treated like children. They had to be taken care of, coddled and catered to like overgrown children because society limited their options so profoundly that this was one of few desirable recourses. Many of them just expected to attract a mate that has the resources to take care of them and their offspring, while maintaining a good standard of living. This was dating 101, and how thing been for a very long time. The choseyness in them selecting partners was understandable; you was stuck with them. A shitty mate means shitty survival chances and a terrible life. Besides the men was basically offering themselves to see if they was worth being considered. The more I think about it.... It was like a business contract.

Nowadays, thanks to feminism, that shit is now gone. It all about dat love now. Genuine emotion trumps over economic security because women now have the power to produce their own wealth to levels unprecedented in history globally, for many women atleast. They longer need a man to secure a economically stable and desireable life, giving that old phrase some need life and perspective. This is a good thing, that women no longer need men and are free to choose relationships for purely romantic reasons . Women who prefer the old way can still live that way to, and many women do, indeed, live their lives that way still. However, the influx of these new ideals only targeted the negative externalities of this dating system, and by extension, societal view, and all the good ones for women remain as no effort was made to eliminate them.

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feminism. feminism ruins societies.
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It is not uncommon at all for women to expect a man to pay on a date still. There was a youtube video of it posted on here in one of the threads, but most of these women work, and can afford to contribute, yet think they do not have to. Chivalry is very much a expected thing. Every man here should be expected to open doors, pull out chairs, compliment, and essentially baby women still, even though we essentially say we are their equals now, not below us like children. All these positive externalities of that dreaded dating system, from the preferential treatment of women, putting men lives before theirs, the expected caretaking of them, are very much lives, but the negatives expectations, like the expected sex, the knowledge that the man is the dominant one in the relationship and got full control, can hit his wife just like he can hit his children, and so on, are removed. This makes a jarring issue, as you can't realistically keep only the preferential parts of this system, without it causing problems in communication, relationships and general interactions.

The current manifestation is ridiculous in some instances. Some women just go for broke and demand the "very best, like no one ever was" despite their lacking capital or many redeeming features at all. There are clear double standards when it comes to male and female beauty, where the objectification of women is seen as detestable, while a man who is anything less is not trying. Their is a clear lack of clear for the male plight, because, as they say, they don't need a man. Their expendable, not a necessity. They can live life without them, but it would be nice if they had a man. Men don't get an equal message here. We're essentially told we have to pursue our interests in life, the old way, but in a new world where this tactic is met with mixed results. Hitting on girls who consider you out of their league and you might get called creepy, and get the police called on you. Traits regarded as manly are sometimes seen as aggressive and wrong. The battle against toxic masculinity have unfortunately damaged regular masculinity to, as the old way to do thing only work sometimes, and not for everyone, because some people view it as a symptom of an old problem.

Even more troubling is the old mentality of selecting a suitor haven't changed. Women now, and should, have the right to chose whoever they want, and feel no urge to make a decision for a partner. They can pick whoever strikes their fancy, and makes them happy, or satisfy whatever wants and needs they have. It is exceptionally easy for them to do so relative to a man, because the issue is finding the right one, not just anyone. Even obese, actually obese, women have few trouble finding mates, due to men treating dating like the old days. However, men didn't adapt. They didn't become pickier. They still keeping trying to sell themselves like they did before, but it no longer works. Women are now taught, and rightfully so, men are extraneous to their lives, but men aren't taught the same about women, so we end up with women still choosing the best selection of men that come to them, while some guys literally go for everything still, and finding no results. because women can wait now as they feel no pressure.

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Tl;DR and summary- A changing society, due to feminism and social progression, has eliminated many of the negative externalities of a old dating system and societal view, but failed to devalue and eliminate the positive externalities for women. This leads to women carrying new age values and old age values, despite the fact the old age values only really worked in the confines of the old system. The result is unrealistic expectations of how to be treated, valuing themselves in some instances like they are special and are deserving of unique treatment, and this manifesting in incredibly high egos and expectations they should realistically expect for what they have to offer. Meanwhile, men are forced to still acknowledge the old externalities for women as they haven't been devalued yet, and men are still behaving the way did in the past in while seeking partners so there is always a steady influx of mates to make it a valid option for women to wait it out for a better pick. This perpetuate the unrealistic expectations for women and only feeds them to more ridiculous heights, and men have to adapt to a society where old views of masculinity are in some cases vilified, and there was no new established way of dating for men.

Edit- Feel welcome to post. I like to know if any of this is out of place.
@Asherlee10
@Darkman124

I specifically value you guys opinions, since you are knowledgeable on these subjects and aren't bitter.

Okay Mr. Rodger
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Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

Okay Mr. Rodger

I bet you feel clever. I am just trying to understand things, not just closed my eyes and say whatever and keep grinding everyday out. Maybe because I really like thinking.

How TF is the tl;dr still essay length?
tl; didn't even read the tl;dr
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Howl posted...

How TF is the tl;dr still essay length?
tl; didn't even read the tl;dr

It is literally a paragraph. That is nothing. You was expecting two sentences? It is two nuanced for that.

Teddytalks posted...

However, men didn't adapt. They didn't become pickier. They still keeping trying to sell themselves like they did before, but it no longer works. Women are now taught, and rightfully so, men are extraneous to their lives, but men aren't taught the same about women, so we end up with women still choosing the best selection of men that come to them, while some guys literally go for everything still, and finding no results. because women can wait now as they feel no pressure.

Why aren't we becoming pickier though. . All of us should be striving for the best
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Teddytalks posted...

Howl posted...

How TF is the tl;dr still essay length?
tl; didn't even read the tl;dr

It is literally a paragraph. That is nothing. You was expecting two sentences? It is two nuanced for that.

It's literally 30 lines, that's not 1 paragraph.
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Possibly because, while virtually all children of our generation were raised with the notion that they are special and can do anything they want, girls were raised with that mentality ten fold in order to compensate for a society before feminism. It wasn't just "you can do anything." In media and likely by their parents, it was "you are a girl, therefore you can do anything." But guys weren't given the same association between gender and ability.
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emblem boy posted...

Teddytalks posted...

However, men didn't adapt. They didn't become pickier. They still keeping trying to sell themselves like they did before, but it no longer works. Women are now taught, and rightfully so, men are extraneous to their lives, but men aren't taught the same about women, so we end up with women still choosing the best selection of men that come to them, while some guys literally go for everything still, and finding no results. because women can wait now as they feel no pressure.

Why aren't we becoming pickier though. . All of us should be striving for the best

It is not how we was taught. Men are taught to throw a wide net, some of it is because society values a man that can get with many women, as seen with peer groups, but it is mostly because men are still adhering to the old way of doing things. We actively chose who we wanted by pursuing women we deemed as valuable. That how men chose, by pursuing who they wanted. It is still like that, but men longer are valued as much, so women are much more demanding, and men hasn't adapted, and instead just go for whoever they think they can have sex with.

Howl posted...

Teddytalks posted...

Howl posted...Ok

How TF is the tl;dr still essay length?
tl; didn't even read the tl;dr

It is literally a paragraph. That is nothing. You was expecting two sentences? It is two nuanced for that.

It's literally 30 lines, that's not 1 paragraph.

Special tldr for you-

Women are retain all the benefits of the old dating system, while retaining none of the negatives Therefore, they think they're special, and men haven't adapted to their choseyness yet.

i'll read your posts in a bit and share my thoughts.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Teddytalks posted...

From my experience, a lot, and I mean a lot, of women believe themselves to be unique and entitled to special treatment solely because of their gender. This attitude is prevalent in phrases like "Daddy's little girl", being called princess, expecting to be catered to and taken care of, not wanting to pay on date, you know the works.

I think you are touching on the cause in your OP. There is certainly a lot of women in the U.S. with that entitled attitude. Of course it isn't just women, men display it differently.

I would say that entitlement is a growing issue for both sexes in the U.S. The thought of being owed something for nothing or little work at all. Honestly, the source of most of it is likely upbringing, as you said.

I also think that social media plays a role in furthering this entitled attitude. We see this entitled attitude in all kinds of ways.

a) Young man thinks he is owed a specific relationship with a girl just because he contacted her
b) Young woman thinks a man should do everything for her and pay for everything
c) Adults wanting praise in the workplace for tasks they should have been doing anyway, but don't normally do

The list is endless.

I think that we (society in the US) don't put as much value on integrity, transparency, and honesty anymore.

You think the thoughts of entitlement could have resulted from the positive messages of empowerment that women have been receiving since the feminism movement? There has long been a dialogue that they have been mistreated and robbed of what's rightfully theirs by men, and they can only achieve their proper place in society by fighting for it. Maybe it manifested into them believing they're owned nothing less than the best in all areas of life, or is this just a general cultural message, not related to movements at all? That would explain male and female entitlement together, but I am not sure that inclusive, as male entitlement is heavily linked to being owed sex, respect and wealth for their efforts, which all has diminished in recent years to the economy and such.
Also, yeah. Integrity is a dying breed in this country, from what I seen amongst the youth. Successful and older men and women generally value these traits still I believe, as they have treated me better than anybody near my age bracket, and constantly say my behavior and mannerisms leave a good impression on them. That might not mean anything, but I think it is a generational thing. Transparency is still valued, but in a hypocritical way. They want transparency relationships to be one way, where they see everything in your life, but not have to reveal theirs. Same with honesty, but people tend to prefer self aggrandizing lies compare to the plain truth as the lies are simply better to believe as they paint a better picture.

Asherlee10 posted...

I would say, yes they are positive messages, but incorrect ones. And I don't think this is limited to one sex or another. I see this entitlement in both sexes regularly. It's the "You deserve the best even if you don't do anything to deserve it." message.

This shouldn't be confused with messages like, "Just because it's all boys in the computer science class doesn't mean you can't do as well as them. You can!",

I definitely agree there is entitlement present in both sexes, but it is just, like you said, manifest differentially. The issue here is that people think pain, disappointment and the woes of life inherently entitles them to the best, when in reality it is the progress they make and the effort they put into life that put them in a position to deserve something, and even then, there is nothing entitled. There is no guarantees in life unfortunately.

That definitely existed, sure. But as we progress through society, the gap narrows.

This narrowing isn't properly advertised though. Many still believe that women are essentially second class citizens, when in reality they're far closer to equality than that. This is amplified by false information like the nature of the income gap still being spread around, where it based less so on women who are getting paid less for the exact work they do as their male counterparts, but based on their occupations and job position. These still have sexist elements in their nature, but not of the same variety as being claimed.

Maybe all of this comes with maturity. It took me a while to grow up and stop blaming others for my shortcomings.

Most of us were dealt a shit-hand one way or another. Just got to learn to work around it the best you can. In the wise words of Chumbawumba, "I get knocked down, but I get up again. You're never going to keep me down."

This is true. Young people have always been pretty shitty as a demographic in regards to these values. They tend to develop them with age, but many of them tend to wallow in circumstance and lose their motivation for self improvement in the process, so we end up with the men dropping out and the bitter women who blame other for their failures in life. That phrase is something people embody. It more akin to "Life will knock you down, keep you from what you actually deserve and there is may or may not be something you can do about it" from what I seen of how people act.

Sure, a lot of women feel "entitled" in the dating world. But let me give you a different perspective, from an actual female: me.

Women act frail and helpless not because we're selfish and entitled, but because if we don't we're called aggressive. A woman is much more likely to be called bossy, whereas a man would be seen as leading and taking initiative.

Also, it's all we know and all we've been taught to do. From a young age we're constantly told to be sweet, nice, smile and you'll find a good man some day. We're not told to excel in school, try out for the football team like you wanted, or that we're strong.

It's always, you must be protected and sheltered. And so that's what we do. We act like we need to be taken care of because we think we need it.

This is probably a really rambly post but they're my two cents.
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I see where you're going with this, but I believe you've tangled yourself up in multiple points that may not directly connect with each other.

The basis of your argument seems to be this: women can afford to be choosey with men due to female empowerment and want to break old dating ideologies and stereotypes, but still want to be treated special like men paying for dates and acting "chivalrous".

Firstly, I don't believe that generalization is too accurate. I'm only speaking anecdotally here, but working with college students day in and day out, women don't want men paying for their meals. They don't want men holding doors for them just because they are women (but if they hold doors for anyone in general, then it is fine). Women are generally fine with dating being on a more equal playing field. They don't necessarily want the "bonuses" of being a women. Do they want an attractive, successful man with lots of money? Sure. But it's not the end-all, be-all. A man wants the same out of a woman. But I think it's become more even in that regard.

But you make other points I agree with, though I don't think they are directly tied to the above topic. The expectation of masculinity of men is very lopsided right now. Society in general is becoming more accepting of women with all body types (though we still have a way to go), but the same can't be said for men. If you are to make anything resembling a negative comment on a woman's appearance, you'll be berated to death by people coming to her defense. Yet, in media, it is still funny and expected to make fun of men who do not fit the stereotypical ideal image of a man.

Men who are scrawny or have beer bellies or other imperfections are lesser men, and we make entire jokes in our culture of these men as they strike out with women. But this isn't a women-specific issue. That is, women aren't the only ones that judge these men. Men do it to. It's a societal problem that women can look however they are and feel empowered but men cannot do the same. I do think that boys should be taught that there is no "ideal man". Boys can cry if they want to. Boys can like girly things (and no, just because you like something that girls like doesn't mean you are gay or trans). More work needs to be made for boys and men to be more appreciative of who they are, just as we've been doing with girls and women these last few decades.

Lastly, I wanted to make a point about dating in general. There are a lot of issues in regards to dating that goes beyond men and women's expectations. As Ashlerlee said, newer generations have shown more signs of entitlements in the dating world, just as in other areas of our lives. A lot of this has to do with newer technologies like dating apps where you have tons of options so you constantly look for the better deal. Yes, women do tend to fare better on these because they tend to have a larger pick of the pie through dating apps. But the growing, big picture problem here is that dating doesn't necessarily happen organically anymore. It's not a process that happens naturally between two people that grow to get to know each other. Things are rushed, or they don't happen at all.

When I hold conversations with the college students I work with, they don't even use the term "date" anymore because it makes implications that aren't true. No one wants to commit to an actual "date" with dinner or the movies. At best, they're just "hanging out" or "talking" so that way, if it doesn't work out, they could just pretend that nothing happened so neither gets hurt. It is very depressing, in my opinion. The magic of dating and dressing up to take a girl on a date and ask her about her interests and spend an evening without worrying about sex or hooking up that night is gone. That's how I met my wife and it's some of the best memories I have. I tell my story to the students and they say that it just doesn't work that way anymore.

I'm not sure how to fix it but it's not simply a men/women issue. It's a generational issue, a technology issue, and a societal values issue.
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I don't think the issue TC is trying to describe is really unique to women. Everyone is self absorbed and self involved. Everyone thinks they are uniquely special and deserve more. We're a greedy species, its what we do.

Whenever I hear stuff like this though it feels like TC doesn't talk with many women IRL and just reads tumblr and stuff that pisses him off.
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KILBOTz posted...

I don't think the issue TC is trying to describe is really unique to women. Everyone is self absorbed and self involved. Everyone thinks they are uniquely special and deserve more. We're a greedy species, its what we do.

Whenever I hear stuff like this though it feels like TC doesn't talk with many women IRL and just reads tumblr and stuff that pisses him off.

There is only so much you can express with words dude. I am already aware of hoe nearly everybody think they deserve exceptional treatment. For the sake of the topic, I just wanted to focus on women, exploring that aspect, as men has already been discussed in the other 200+ post topic. Don't assume that all that is said is all that is thought. I know the entitlement in this generation. I see it firsthand on this boards and irl from friends. I just didn't mention in my posts because the focus was on girls.

Teddytalks posted...

KILBOTz posted...

I don't think the issue TC is trying to describe is really unique to women. Everyone is self absorbed and self involved. Everyone thinks they are uniquely special and deserve more. We're a greedy species, its what we do.

Whenever I hear stuff like this though it feels like TC doesn't talk with many women IRL and just reads tumblr and stuff that pisses him off.

There is only so much you can express with words dude. I am already aware of hoe nearly everybody think they deserve exceptional treatment. For the sake of the topic, I just wanted to focus on women, exploring that aspect, as men has already been discussed in the other 200+ post topic. Don't assume that all that is said is all that is thought. I know the entitlement in this generation. I see it firsthand on this boards and irl from friends. I just didn't mention in my posts because the focus was on girls.

So what I see is most everyone thinking they are unique and special and deserving of preferential treatment. Whether someone thinks that because of their gender (which I don't know that man women do) or just because that is what nearly everyone behaves and thinks like that.
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I really thought I would come into this thread in complete offensive, ready to battle in fight mode but after reading the replies I am pleasantly surprised.

I think @Zanzenburger nailed it, men and women no longer communicate with each other. Everything is a competition. Your dating profile has to be better than the next persons. You have to look fitter and more attractive in your pictures because that is now how you are judged. No one takes the time to really know anyone anymore. It doesn't help that you can google someone and find out everything about their history, learning about someone's past organically is gone.

I agree this is not just a male/female issue. Both sexes are having to find ways to really connect with each other. Anytime you meet someone you have to constantly worry about their expectations: Do they really want to get to know you or are they just looking for sex? The internet constantly slams us with the most attractive people and beauty standards we can never attain leaving us feeling not good enough, while it also constantly shows us the worst human behavoirs, leading many to wonder, why even bother?
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Teddytalks posted...

There is only so much you can express with words dude. I am already aware of hoe nearly everybody think they deserve exceptional treatment. For the sake of the topic, I just wanted to focus on women, exploring that aspect, as men has already been discussed in the other 200+ post topic. Don't assume that all that is said is all that is thought. I know the entitlement in this generation. I see it firsthand on this boards and irl from friends. I just didn't mention in my posts because the focus was on girls.

If you wanted to focus on women to parallel that topic about young men, then I'd ask the question of what are young women doing with their lives now that so many men are withdrawing from the marriage/dating scene?

For one thing, I can tell you that women are overwhelmingly enrolling in college more than men. I work college admissions for 5-7 colleges throughout the year and in every single one we get more women applications than men applications. It's not that women get admitted more. It's that they apply more.

Women are more career-oriented, likely due to repeated messages as a child that a woman is powerful, independent, and can do anything. We have large numbers of programs designed to get girls more into the STEM fields. That seems to have had a ripple effect to get more girls into other fields as well.

As a result, less women are dating as they go to school to get their bachelor's and event masters degrees.

That commonly-spread statement that women in their 30s finally settle down for the "beta" guy after hooking up repeatedly in her 30s isn't the whole picture. A lot of it has to do with the fact that women in their 30s are just finishing school and are finally at a point where they can look for a partner. Even if they're done with school, they are out there looking for jobs or working jobs they are overqualified for minimum wage until they find something in their chosen field.

Meanwhile, they constantly see images in the media of empowered women doing all these great things to change America. Your average woman wonders why she can't be that impacting and amazing and so she works harder to achieve that dream of being an empowered, independent woman.

Some women will luck out and find a partner during this process, but just as young men have a difficult time in the current dating scene, women do as well. Women don't "date" anymore. Their choices have come down to "hooking up", "seeing someone", "hanging out", or "talking". And if they're lucky, things will work out and they can call it a relationship (though many aren't even opting for that label anymore).

The stereotypical women that men like to be bitter about that use them, cheat, and are vapid isn't the majority. They're just the most visible ones because they're the ones men see on Tinder apps and on reality shows and on the news. The average woman, the type of work with in colleges, is usually as invisible as the young men in the other topic. Except, instead of diving into video games and porn, they dive more into advanced degrees and full time jobs as servers, receptionists, and other retail-oriented labor.
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Wotswayla posted...

Sure, a lot of women feel "entitled" in the dating world. But let me give you a different perspective, from an actual female: me.

Women act frail and helpless not because we're selfish and entitled, but because if we don't we're called aggressive. A woman is much more likely to be called bossy, whereas a man would be seen as leading and taking initiative.

Also, it's all we know and all we've been taught to do. From a young age we're constantly told to be sweet, nice, smile and you'll find a good man some day. We're not told to excel in school, try out for the football team like you wanted, or that we're strong.

It's always, you must be protected and sheltered. And so that's what we do. We act like we need to be taken care of because we think we need it.

This is probably a really rambly post but they're my two cents.

It is a good post, and I appreciate your contribution. I do have to ask though, what community are you in? In my community, the women aren't frail, they don't smile, aren't nearly as nice and don't have any problem being aggressive. It is a very different world here from that from the majority culture, yet many of the same elements I spoke of before still persist. I trust in your words, they're true. That is the case for some women still, but that isn't really the case for many in the black community.

Zanzenburger posted...

I see where you're going with this, but I believe you've tangled yourself up in multiple points that may not directly connect with each other.

Yeah, I divulged abit from the topic title. Alot of factors contribute, and there are so many to mention, I didn't come off as clear or as focus as I wanted to. Also, I was in a bit of a rush because I had to leave early.

The basis of your argument seems to be this: women can afford to be choosey with men due to female empowerment and want to break old dating ideologies and stereotypes, but still want to be treated special like men paying for dates and acting "chivalrous".

Pretty much.

Firstly, I don't believe that generalization is too accurate. I'm only speaking anecdotally here, but working with college students day in and day out, women don't want men paying for their meals. They don't want men holding doors for them just because they are women (but if they hold doors for anyone in general, then it is fine). Women are generally fine with dating being on a more equal playing field. They don't necessarily want the "bonuses" of being a women. Do they want an attractive, successful man with lots of money? Sure. But it's not the end-all, be-all. A man wants the same out of a woman. But I think it's become more even in that regard.

Experiences with a few close (one formally) female friend, and listening to other comment on the matter, fueled part of my argument. I am sorry if I made my argument seem to general. I guess it Is my fault because she is pretty much a textbook gold digger who expect nothing less than the best from people. I'll keep any personal bias in check. They can creep up so easily.

But you make other points I agree with, though I don't think they are directly tied to the above topic. The expectation of masculinity of men is very lopsided right now. Society in general is becoming more accepting of women with all body types (though we still have a way to go), but the same can't be said for men. If you are to make anything resembling a negative comment on a woman's appearance, you'll be berated to death by people coming to her defense. Yet, in media, it is still funny and expected to make fun of men who do not fit the stereotypical ideal image of a man.

Yeah my topic was a little disjointed. Sorry for lack of indepth responses. I am on a small phone.

I LL will post more when I get on my laptop. @Zanzenburger

From what I read so far, your contribution is amazing. Being a college student myself, alot of it is interesting. I will read more of it later.

Germany posted...

feminism. feminism ruins societies.

This /close topic.

If you wanted to focus on women to parallel that topic about young men, then I'd ask the question of what are young women doinig with their lives now that so many men are withdrawing from the marriage/dating scene?

I can't answer that specific question, but in more generally terms, from what I understand, it seems like men are fed up with the pressures of life and the perceived unfairness. They can't understand the abysmal response waits for online dating sites, they can't understand why they keep getting rejected, or why the girls they like go for other people. They can't understand the attitudes that girls have, like the ones I mentioned, and rather not deal with a perceived biased court system, so they drop out. This is a gross simplification, because many of these men likely are to blame for these problems to some capacity due to them feeling entitled, being creepy, or any a host of other issues. However, for simplicity sake, I won't go to in depth with it.

I will exclude some parts of your post for space reasons. I am sorry for that.

Women are more career-oriented, likely due to repeated messages as a child that a woman is powerful, independent, and can do anything. We have large numbers of programs designed to get girls more into the STEM fields. That seems to have had a ripple effect to get more girls into other fields as well.

As a result, less women are dating as they go to school to get their bachelor's and even masters degrees.

That commonly-spread statement that women in their 30s finally settle down for the "beta" guy after hooking up repeatedly in her 20s isn't the whole picture. A lot of it has to do with the fact that women in their 30s are just finishing school and are finally at a point where they can look for a partner. Even if they're done with school, they are out there looking for jobs or working jobs they are overqualified for minimum wage until they find something in their chosen field.

Meanwhile, they constantly see images in the media of empowered women doing all these great things to change America. Your average woman wonders why she can't be that impacting and amazing and so she works harder to achieve that dream of being an empowered, independent woman.

Some women will luck out and find a partner during this process, but just as young men have a difficult time in the current dating scene, women do as well. Women don't "date" anymore. Their choices have come down to "hooking up", "seeing someone", "hanging out", or "talking". And if they're lucky, things will work out and they can call it a relationship (though many aren't even opting for that label anymore).

The stereotypical women that men like to be bitter about that use them, cheat, and are vapid isn't the majority. They're just the most visible ones because they're the ones men see on Tinder apps and on reality shows and on the news. The average woman, the type of work with in colleges, is usually as invisible as the young men in the other topic. Except, instead of diving into video games and porn, they dive more into advanced degrees and full time jobs as servers, receptionists, and other retail-oriented labor.

I never heard this perspective before, and I don't really know what to say. It is interesting, and gives me a lot to think about.