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Kineth 05/28/17 11:37:28 PM #52:	3rd_Best_Master posted... Bloodychess posted... Kineth posted... Bloodychess posted... Butterfiles posted... Relax TC, it's not like affirmative action prevents nepotism from white people Might want to double check the meaning of that word Uh, he used the word correctly. It's used to denote giving favors to relatives What, white people don't have relatives? Bloodychess posted... lowest of efforts Yeah, your arguments are not very thought out. You must be a great person to deal with in conservation because of how you neglect to account for what you already fucking said. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:879993559] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Butterfiles posted...</cite> <quote> Relax TC, it's not like affirmative action prevents nepotism from white people </quote> Might want to double check the meaning of that word </quote> Uh, he used the word correctly.</quote> It's used to denote giving favors to relatives</quote> What, white people don't have relatives?</quote> <cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>lowest of efforts</quote> Yeah, your arguments are not very thought out. You must be a great person to deal with in conservation because of how you neglect to account for what you already fucking said.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iron jojo 05/28/17 11:39:06 PM #53:	Kineth posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... Bloodychess posted... Kineth posted... Bloodychess posted... Butterfiles posted... Relax TC, it's not like affirmative action prevents nepotism from white people Might want to double check the meaning of that word Uh, he used the word correctly. It's used to denote giving favors to relatives What, white people don't have relatives? Bloodychess posted... lowest of efforts Yeah, your arguments are not very thought out. You must be a great person to deal with in conservation because of how you neglect to account for what you already fucking said. Lmao your sig is like something a 13 year old girl would post on facebook. --- vickfan-chucky they hated Jesus homie chuckyhacks-who teh hell is "jesus homie" <cite>iron jojo posted [p:879993660] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Butterfiles posted...</cite> <quote> Relax TC, it's not like affirmative action prevents nepotism from white people </quote> Might want to double check the meaning of that word </quote> Uh, he used the word correctly.</quote> It's used to denote giving favors to relatives</quote> What, white people don't have relatives?</quote> <cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>lowest of efforts</quote> Yeah, your arguments are not very thought out. You must be a great person to deal with in conservation because of how you neglect to account for what you already fucking said.</quote> Lmao your sig is like something a 13 year old girl would post on facebook.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 05/28/17 11:39:51 PM #54:	That's such a pointless counterpoint, I'm amazed you're fighting so hard to defend it. --- Knowledge is power, power corrupts. Study hard and become evil. <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:879993714] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote>That's such a pointless counterpoint, I'm amazed you're fighting so hard to defend it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 05/28/17 11:41:35 PM #55:	Hey guys, we need affirmative action to prevent a concept that has absolutely nothing to do with race --- Knowledge is power, power corrupts. Study hard and become evil. <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:879993802] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote>Hey guys, we need affirmative action to prevent a concept that has absolutely nothing to do with race</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/28/17 11:42:23 PM #56:	Bloodychess posted... That's such a pointless counterpoint, I'm amazed you're fighting so hard to defend it. It should be easy to argue against if that were actually the case. I'm pretty sure the fact that you stopped engaging the argument is indicative of the fact that you ain't got shit for a counterargument. iron jojo I'm dealing with 13 year olds on this board and not on LUE. It's unfortunately necessary. Stop hatin'. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:879993844] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>That's such a pointless counterpoint, I'm amazed you're fighting so hard to defend it.</quote> It should be easy to argue against if that were actually the case. I'm pretty sure the fact that you stopped engaging the argument is indicative of the fact that you ain't got shit for a counterargument. <cite>iron jojo</cite> I'm dealing with 13 year olds on this board and not on LUE. It's unfortunately necessary. Stop hatin'.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThanksUglyGod 05/28/17 11:43:18 PM #57:	Mike_Stanton posted... To ignore race altogether. Don't take race into account period. If you ignore it, it will all go away... This is a pipe dream. Maybe someday those in charge won't take race into account for anything, but that day is still very far away. Average citizens ignoring race just makes easier for those at the top to get away with discriminatory practices. Studies have shown that colleges that removed AA practices in the '90s have had black and Latin-American acceptance rates fall. <cite>ThanksUglyGod posted [p:879993878] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>To ignore race altogether. Don't take race into account period. If you ignore it, it will all go away...</quote> This is a pipe dream. Maybe someday those in charge won't take race into account for anything, but that day is still very far away. Average citizens ignoring race just makes easier for those at the top to get away with discriminatory practices. Studies have shown that colleges that removed AA practices in the '90s have had black and Latin-American acceptance rates fall.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 05/28/17 11:43:24 PM #58:	"This square is a circle.....hey, why'd you stop arguing with me?" --- Knowledge is power, power corrupts. Study hard and become evil. <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:879993884] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote>"This square is a circle.....hey, why'd you stop arguing with me?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mike_Stanton 05/28/17 11:43:58 PM #59:	Kineth posted... Mike_Stanton posted... Maybe some people don't want any group to be privileged more than another regardless of whether they're white, black, male, or female? Cool. What is it that you actually want and are trying to accomplish with your bullshit arguments instead of what "MAY BE" the case? What do you want me to say? Is there a script I'm supposed to follow or something? --- RIP Butters_1188 2005-2009 Prove me wrong <cite>Mike_Stanton posted [p:879993908] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe some people don't want any group to be privileged more than another regardless of whether they're white, black, male, or female?</quote> Cool. What is it that you actually want and are trying to accomplish with your bullshit arguments instead of what "MAY BE" the case?</quote> What do you want me to say? Is there a script I'm supposed to follow or something?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/28/17 11:45:59 PM #60:	Mike_Stanton posted... What do you want me to say? Is there a script I'm supposed to follow or something? You ever participate in debate in school? Use some of those tools for your script. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:879994003] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>What do you want me to say? Is there a script I'm supposed to follow or something?</quote> You ever participate in debate in school? Use some of those tools for your script.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/28/17 11:47:39 PM #61:	Bloodychess posted... "This square is a circle.....hey, why'd you stop arguing with me?" You: "errmuhgurd, look up the definition of nepotism, you didn't use it right!" Others: "uh, no, it was used correctly.." You: tears "well fuck you, i'm gonna be whiny passive aggressive baby" --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:879994076] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>"This square is a circle.....hey, why'd you stop arguing with me?"</quote> You: "errmuhgurd, look up the definition of nepotism, you didn't use it right!" Others: "uh, no, it was used correctly.." You: tears "well fuck you, i'm gonna be whiny passive aggressive baby"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 05/28/17 11:47:53 PM #62:	Bloodychess posted... Hey guys, we need affirmative action to prevent a concept that has absolutely nothing to do with race --- Knowledge is power, power corrupts. Study hard and become evil. <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:879994090] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>Hey guys, we need affirmative action to prevent a concept that has absolutely nothing to do with race</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/28/17 11:48:18 PM #63:	You hear this? Family has nothing to do with race. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:879994114] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote>You hear this? Family has nothing to do with race.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iron jojo 05/28/17 11:48:33 PM #64:	Kineth posted... I'm dealing with 13 year olds on this board and not on LUE. It's unfortunately necessary. Stop hatin'. Roger that --- vickfan-chucky they hated Jesus homie chuckyhacks-who teh hell is "jesus homie" <cite>iron jojo posted [p:879994126] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>I'm dealing with 13 year olds on this board and not on LUE. It's unfortunately necessary. Stop hatin'.</quote> Roger that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 05/28/17 11:49:43 PM #65:	Kineth posted... You hear this? Family has nothing to do with race. Only if you choose to make it so --- Knowledge is power, power corrupts. Study hard and become evil. <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:879994179] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>You hear this? Family has nothing to do with race.</quote> Only if you choose to make it so</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/28/17 11:50:20 PM #66:	How about you choose to concede a point? I guarantee my family is more diverse than yours. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:879994202] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote>How about you choose to concede a point? I guarantee my family is more diverse than yours.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 05/28/17 11:51:53 PM #67:	My wife is Mexican and and my father-in-law is from Mexico, your family may still be more diverse but I'm no stranger to diversity. --- Knowledge is power, power corrupts. Study hard and become evil. <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:879994273] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote>My wife is Mexican and and my father-in-law is from Mexico, your family may still be more diverse but I'm no stranger to diversity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/28/17 11:53:23 PM #68:	Amazing that you still continue to move away from the fact that you have no clue what nepotism is. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:879994336] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote>Amazing that you still continue to move away from the fact that you have no clue what nepotism is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 05/28/17 11:55:52 PM #69:	So what was the point of you even bringing your family into this Kineth posted... Amazing that you still continue to move away from the fact that you have no clue what nepotism is. Irony --- Knowledge is power, power corrupts. Study hard and become evil. <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:879994455] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote>So what was the point of you even bringing your family into this <cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>Amazing that you still continue to move away from the fact that you have no clue what nepotism is.</quote> Irony</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/28/17 11:59:58 PM #70:	Bloodychess posted... So what was the point of you even bringing your family into this What was the point of you saying that family only has relation to race if you choose to make it so? Irony This is a word you need to look up the definition for along with nepotism. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:879994642] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>So what was the point of you even bringing your family into this</quote> What was the point of you saying that family only has relation to race if you choose to make it so? <quote>Irony</quote> This is a word you need to look up the definition for along with nepotism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 05/29/17 12:02:37 AM #71:	Kineth posted... What was the point of you saying that family only has relation to race if you choose to make it so? Because when I look at my family members, I don't think "That's the white one, that's the Mexican one, etc etc" Maybe you and your "diverse" family think differently than me. --- Knowledge is power, power corrupts. Study hard and become evil. <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:879994749] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>What was the point of you saying that family only has relation to race if you choose to make it so?</quote> Because when I look at my family members, I don't think "That's the white one, that's the Mexican one, etc etc" Maybe you and your "diverse" family think differently than me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/29/17 12:03:53 AM #72:	Bloodychess posted... Kineth posted... What was the point of you saying that family only has relation to race if you choose to make it so? Because when I look at my family members, I don't think "That's the white one, that's the Mexican one, etc etc" Maybe you and your "diverse" family think differently than me. So it should be patently obvious that I said something about my family because of your passive aggressive implication that for some reason you casually forgot after making the statement. Pretending like affirmative action prevents nepotism is the point of the argument, not your inability to admit that you may not be right all the time. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:879994816] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>What was the point of you saying that family only has relation to race if you choose to make it so?</quote> Because when I look at my family members, I don't think "That's the white one, that's the Mexican one, etc etc" Maybe you and your "diverse" family think differently than me.</quote> So it should be patently obvious that I said something about my family because of your passive aggressive implication that for some reason you casually forgot after making the statement. Pretending like affirmative action prevents nepotism is the point of the argument, not your inability to admit that you may not be right all the time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mike_Stanton 05/29/17 12:25:59 AM #73:	ThanksUglyGod posted... Mike_Stanton posted... To ignore race altogether. Don't take race into account period. If you ignore it, it will all go away... This is a pipe dream. Maybe someday those in charge won't take race into account for anything, but that day is still very far away. Average citizens ignoring race just makes easier for those at the top to get away with discriminatory practices. Studies have shown that colleges that removed AA practices in the '90s have had black and Latin-American acceptance rates fall. Of course black and Hispanic acceptance rates go down when they aren't being handed acceptances based partially on their race/ethnicity. That's not necessarily a bad thing if some blacks and Hispanics aren't as qualified as other candidates. And you can talk about how it's easier for people at the top to discriminate, but using AAPs pretty much forces people at the top to discriminate in the opposite direction. How are we ever going to make progress in that regard if we don't start trying to ignore race? --- RIP Butters_1188 2005-2009 Prove me wrong <cite>Mike_Stanton posted [p:879995687] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>To ignore race altogether. Don't take race into account period. If you ignore it, it will all go away...</quote> This is a pipe dream. Maybe someday those in charge won't take race into account for anything, but that day is still very far away. Average citizens ignoring race just makes easier for those at the top to get away with discriminatory practices. Studies have shown that colleges that removed AA practices in the '90s have had black and Latin-American acceptance rates fall.</quote> Of course black and Hispanic acceptance rates go down when they aren't being handed acceptances based partially on their race/ethnicity. That's not necessarily a bad thing if some blacks and Hispanics aren't as qualified as other candidates. And you can talk about how it's easier for people at the top to discriminate, but using AAPs pretty much forces people at the top to discriminate in the opposite direction. How are we ever going to make progress in that regard if we don't start trying to ignore race?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightsasori 05/29/17 12:26:37 AM #74:	It's not reverse discrimination, it is discrimination though. --- "Yare yare daze" ~ Jotaro Kujo "Children are pure, they know who's the strongest." ~ MaskDeSmith <cite>Lightsasori posted [p:879995719] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote>It's not reverse discrimination, it is discrimination though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mike_Stanton 05/29/17 12:29:38 AM #75:	Kineth posted... Mike_Stanton posted... What do you want me to say? Is there a script I'm supposed to follow or something? You ever participate in debate in school? Use some of those tools for your script. Still waiting for you to make a relevant point. As soon as that happens then maybe I'll use some debate tools worth using. --- RIP Butters_1188 2005-2009 Prove me wrong <cite>Mike_Stanton posted [p:879995844] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>What do you want me to say? Is there a script I'm supposed to follow or something?</quote> You ever participate in debate in school? Use some of those tools for your script.</quote> Still waiting for you to make a relevant point. As soon as that happens then maybe I'll use some debate tools worth using.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mike_Stanton 05/29/17 12:30:31 AM #76:	Lightsasori posted... It's not reverse discrimination, it is discrimination though. People keep saying this, but I don't quite understand. Explain please. --- RIP Butters_1188 2005-2009 Prove me wrong <cite>Mike_Stanton posted [p:879995875] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lightsasori posted...</cite> <quote>It's not reverse discrimination, it is discrimination though.</quote> People keep saying this, but I don't quite understand. Explain please.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThanksUglyGod 05/29/17 2:20:47 AM #77:	Mike_Stanton posted... ThanksUglyGod posted... Mike_Stanton posted... To ignore race altogether. Don't take race into account period. If you ignore it, it will all go away... This is a pipe dream. Maybe someday those in charge won't take race into account for anything, but that day is still very far away. Average citizens ignoring race just makes easier for those at the top to get away with discriminatory practices. Studies have shown that colleges that removed AA practices in the '90s have had black and Latin-American acceptance rates fall. Of course black and Hispanic acceptance rates go down when they aren't being handed acceptances based partially on their race/ethnicity. That's not necessarily a bad thing if some blacks and Hispanics aren't as qualified as other candidates. And you can talk about how it's easier for people at the top to discriminate, but using AAPs pretty much forces people at the top to discriminate in the opposite direction. How are we ever going to make progress in that regard if we don't start trying to ignore race? What people have to realize is that nobody is being handed acceptances simply because of their race or gender. It's due to the challenges associated with certain groups. Affirmative action is an attempt to level the playing field after centuries of discrimination. If it seems unfair that white men are "reverse discriminated" against because of AAPs recently, that's been the reality for women, people of color, and people with disabilities for ages. However, unlike those marginalized groups, white men are still attending college at record rates, and colleges are still predominately white in America. So affirmative action doesn't force employers or colleges to discriminate against white people. They're still doing great. It's everyone else that needs to catch up. But you do that by leveling the playing field, and giving those historically marginalized people the same advantages that white males have enjoyed. You can't just ignore race when the effects of racism and prejudice are still holding people back. You haven't really fixed the problem. <cite>ThanksUglyGod posted [p:879999732] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>To ignore race altogether. Don't take race into account period. If you ignore it, it will all go away...</quote> This is a pipe dream. Maybe someday those in charge won't take race into account for anything, but that day is still very far away. Average citizens ignoring race just makes easier for those at the top to get away with discriminatory practices. Studies have shown that colleges that removed AA practices in the '90s have had black and Latin-American acceptance rates fall.</quote> Of course black and Hispanic acceptance rates go down when they aren't being handed acceptances based partially on their race/ethnicity. That's not necessarily a bad thing if some blacks and Hispanics aren't as qualified as other candidates. And you can talk about how it's easier for people at the top to discriminate, but using AAPs pretty much forces people at the top to discriminate in the opposite direction. How are we ever going to make progress in that regard if we don't start trying to ignore race?</quote> What people have to realize is that nobody is being handed acceptances simply because of their race or gender. It's due to the challenges associated with certain groups. Affirmative action is an attempt to level the playing field after centuries of discrimination. If it seems unfair that white men are "reverse discriminated" against because of AAPs recently, that's been the reality for women, people of color, and people with disabilities for ages. However, unlike those marginalized groups, white men are still attending college at record rates, and colleges are still predominately white in America. So affirmative action doesn't force employers or colleges to discriminate against white people. They're still doing great. It's everyone else that needs to catch up. But you do that by leveling the playing field, and giving those historically marginalized people the same advantages that white males have enjoyed. You can't just ignore race when the effects of racism and prejudice are still holding people back. You haven't really fixed the problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 05/29/17 2:41:42 AM #78:	Mike_Stanton posted... To ignore race altogether. Don't take race into account period. If you ignore it, it will all go away... That's not what anyone wants, though. Minorities don't want their heritage to be ignored. Any rational, mature person can acknowledge differences in races without placing them in a hierarchy. Anyway, if you acknowledge that there are discrimination and social inequality, how will ignoring it fix the situation? <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:880000342] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>To ignore race altogether. Don't take race into account period. If you ignore it, it will all go away...</quote> That's not what anyone wants, though. Minorities don't want their heritage to be ignored. Any rational, mature person can acknowledge differences in races without placing them in a hierarchy. Anyway, if you acknowledge that there are discrimination and social inequality, how will ignoring it fix the situation?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/29/17 4:38:05 AM #79:	Mike_Stanton posted... Kineth posted... Mike_Stanton posted... What do you want me to say? Is there a script I'm supposed to follow or something? You ever participate in debate in school? Use some of those tools for your script. Still waiting for you to make a relevant point. White women get the most support from affirmative action. I'm still waiting for you to provide a good counterargument. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:880002874] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>What do you want me to say? Is there a script I'm supposed to follow or something?</quote> You ever participate in debate in school? Use some of those tools for your script.</quote> Still waiting for you to make a relevant point.</quote> White women get the most support from affirmative action. I'm still waiting for you to provide a good counterargument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 05/29/17 4:44:16 AM #81:	Conflict posted... Calling AA "white oppression" sounds a bit melodramatic don't ya think That's if you want to be kind in the description to cope with the histrionics. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:880002986] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>Calling AA "white oppression" sounds a bit melodramatic don't ya think</quote> That's if you want to be kind in the description to cope with the histrionics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 05/29/17 4:44:19 AM #82:	Conflict posted... Calling AA "white oppression" sounds a bit melodramatic don't ya think Especially when whites are the biggest beneficiary. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:880002988] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>Calling AA "white oppression" sounds a bit melodramatic don't ya think</quote> Especially when whites are the biggest beneficiary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mike_Stanton 05/29/17 8:43:50 PM #83:	ThanksUglyGod posted... What people have to realize is that nobody is being handed acceptances simply because of their race or gender. It's due to the challenges associated with certain groups. Affirmative action is an attempt to level the playing field after centuries of discrimination. If it seems unfair that white men are "reverse discriminated" against because of AAPs recently, that's been the reality for women, people of color, and people with disabilities for ages. However, unlike those marginalized groups, white men are still attending college at record rates, and colleges are still predominately white in America. They're not being handed acceptances purely based on race or gender, but some people are being handed acceptances partially based on those things, which is wrong. And like I said, AA may have served its purpose at one point, but racism is on the decline and there's plenty of educated minorities now, and they have plenty of opportunities now without being favored because of their race. And yes, colleges in America are still predominantly white, but that's mostly because America is predominantly white. Dash_Harber posted... Mike_Stanton posted... To ignore race altogether. Don't take race into account period. If you ignore it, it will all go away... That's not what anyone wants, though. Minorities don't want their heritage to be ignored. Any rational, mature person can acknowledge differences in races without placing them in a hierarchy. Anyway, if you acknowledge that there are discrimination and social inequality, how will ignoring it fix the situation? Because fighting discrimination with reverse discrimination is oppressive towards white people that are not racist. Kineth posted... White women get the most support from affirmative action. I'm still waiting for you to provide a good counterargument. I'm still waiting for you to make a relevant point. Okay...white women benefit the most...so? What's your point? --- RIP Butters_1188 2005-2009 Prove me wrong <cite>Mike_Stanton posted [p:880042441] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote>What people have to realize is that nobody is being handed acceptances simply because of their race or gender. It's due to the challenges associated with certain groups. Affirmative action is an attempt to level the playing field after centuries of discrimination. If it seems unfair that white men are "reverse discriminated" against because of AAPs recently, that's been the reality for women, people of color, and people with disabilities for ages. However, unlike those marginalized groups, white men are still attending college at record rates, and colleges are still predominately white in America.</quote> They're not being handed acceptances purely based on race or gender, but some people are being handed acceptances partially based on those things, which is wrong. And like I said, AA may have served its purpose at one point, but racism is on the decline and there's plenty of educated minorities now, and they have plenty of opportunities now without being favored because of their race. And yes, colleges in America are still predominantly white, but that's mostly because America is predominantly white. <cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>To ignore race altogether. Don't take race into account period. If you ignore it, it will all go away...</quote> That's not what anyone wants, though. Minorities don't want their heritage to be ignored. Any rational, mature person can acknowledge differences in races without placing them in a hierarchy. Anyway, if you acknowledge that there are discrimination and social inequality, how will ignoring it fix the situation?</quote> Because fighting discrimination with reverse discrimination is oppressive towards white people that are not racist. <cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>White women get the most support from affirmative action. I'm still waiting for you to provide a good counterargument.</quote> I'm still waiting for you to make a relevant point. Okay...white women benefit the most...so? What's your point?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 05/30/17 12:26:42 AM #84:	Mike_Stanton posted... Because fighting discrimination with reverse discrimination is oppressive towards white people that are not racist. I don't agree because I view it as giving an advantage to people who do face discrimination, not giving a disadvantage to me personally because I realize I start off with an easier time than they do. Anyway, how does ignoring the problem make it go away? <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:880054204] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>Because fighting discrimination with reverse discrimination is oppressive towards white people that are not racist.</quote> I don't agree because I view it as giving an advantage to people who do face discrimination, not giving a disadvantage to me personally because I realize I start off with an easier time than they do. Anyway, how does ignoring the problem make it go away?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/30/17 6:28:11 AM #85:	Mike_Stanton posted... Kineth posted... White women get the most support from affirmative action. I'm still waiting for you to provide a good counterargument. I'm still waiting for you to make a relevant point. Okay...white women benefit the most...so? What's your point? Ok, I'm not sure if you're really that unashamed of a troll, but your response right here, which was right before mine.. Mike_Stanton posted... Dash_Harber posted... That's not what anyone wants, though. Minorities don't want their heritage to be ignored. Any rational, mature person can acknowledge differences in races without placing them in a hierarchy. Anyway, if you acknowledge that there are discrimination and social inequality, how will ignoring it fix the situation? Because fighting discrimination with reverse discrimination is oppressive towards white people that are not racist. Is why it's pretty relevant. Maybe you think relevant means "argument destroying" and we just aren't matching the right words here. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:880064127] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>White women get the most support from affirmative action. I'm still waiting for you to provide a good counterargument.</quote> I'm still waiting for you to make a relevant point. Okay...white women benefit the most...so? What's your point?</quote> Ok, I'm not sure if you're really that unashamed of a troll, but your response right here, which was right before mine.. <cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>That's not what anyone wants, though. Minorities don't want their heritage to be ignored. Any rational, mature person can acknowledge differences in races without placing them in a hierarchy. Anyway, if you acknowledge that there are discrimination and social inequality, how will ignoring it fix the situation?</quote> Because fighting discrimination with reverse discrimination is oppressive towards white people that are not racist.</quote> Is why it's pretty relevant. Maybe you think relevant means "argument destroying" and we just aren't matching the right words here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mike_Stanton 05/31/17 12:14:25 AM #86:	Dash_Harber posted... Mike_Stanton posted... Because fighting discrimination with reverse discrimination is oppressive towards white people that are not racist. I don't agree because I view it as giving an advantage to people who do face discrimination, not giving a disadvantage to me personally because I realize I start off with an easier time than they do. Anyway, how does ignoring the problem make it go away? They don't always face discrimination though. The only way to not discriminate is to not discriminate. It's not as if a particular candidate has to be favored because we know for a fact that they'll be discriminated against at the next place they submit an application to. Kineth posted... Mike_Stanton posted... Kineth posted... White women get the most support from affirmative action. I'm still waiting for you to provide a good counterargument. I'm still waiting for you to make a relevant point. Okay...white women benefit the most...so? What's your point? Ok, I'm not sure if you're really that unashamed of a troll, but your response right here, which was right before mine.. Mike_Stanton posted... Dash_Harber posted... That's not what anyone wants, though. Minorities don't want their heritage to be ignored. Any rational, mature person can acknowledge differences in races without placing them in a hierarchy. Anyway, if you acknowledge that there are discrimination and social inequality, how will ignoring it fix the situation? Because fighting discrimination with reverse discrimination is oppressive towards white people that are not racist. Is why it's pretty relevant. Maybe you think relevant means "argument destroying" and we just aren't matching the right words here. White women benefiting from something doesn't change the fact that black people also benefit from it. Next. --- RIP Butters_1188 2005-2009 Prove me wrong <cite>Mike_Stanton posted [p:880120125] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>Because fighting discrimination with reverse discrimination is oppressive towards white people that are not racist.</quote> I don't agree because I view it as giving an advantage to people who do face discrimination, not giving a disadvantage to me personally because I realize I start off with an easier time than they do. Anyway, how does ignoring the problem make it go away?</quote> They don't always face discrimination though. The only way to not discriminate is to not discriminate. It's not as if a particular candidate has to be favored because we know for a fact that they'll be discriminated against at the next place they submit an application to. <cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>White women get the most support from affirmative action. I'm still waiting for you to provide a good counterargument.</quote> I'm still waiting for you to make a relevant point. Okay...white women benefit the most...so? What's your point?</quote> Ok, I'm not sure if you're really that unashamed of a troll, but your response right here, which was right before mine.. <cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>That's not what anyone wants, though. Minorities don't want their heritage to be ignored. Any rational, mature person can acknowledge differences in races without placing them in a hierarchy. Anyway, if you acknowledge that there are discrimination and social inequality, how will ignoring it fix the situation?</quote> Because fighting discrimination with reverse discrimination is oppressive towards white people that are not racist.</quote> Is why it's pretty relevant. Maybe you think relevant means "argument destroying" and we just aren't matching the right words here.</quote> White women benefiting from something doesn't change the fact that black people also benefit from it. Next.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/31/17 12:42:09 AM #87:	How about you make a legit counterargument or stfu --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:880121386] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote>How about you make a legit counterargument or stfu</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mike_Stanton 05/31/17 1:12:25 AM #88:	Mike_Stanton posted... White women benefiting from something doesn't change the fact that black people also benefit from it. Next. there ya go --- RIP Butters_1188 2005-2009 Prove me wrong <cite>Mike_Stanton posted [p:880122605] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>White women benefiting from something doesn't change the fact that black people also benefit from it. Next.</quote> there ya go</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HiddenRoar 05/31/17 1:18:18 AM #89:	3rd_Best_Master posted... Kineth posted... White women are the group that benefits the most from affirmative action. Why are you bringing race into this and talking about people doing stuff illegally? I don't understand why this point is always glossed over. Maybe these people don't actually care about AA and only want to bitch about minorities. Source? Because it's surely not the case for education. If Affirmative Action benefited white women the most, logic assumes that their enrollment numbers should fall the hardest once repealed since they no longer receive the benefits. Looking at the statistics of universities that banned racial preference, that's not the case. http://www.mercurynews.com/2013/06/21/affirmative-action-ban-at-uc-15-years-later/ Proposition 209 — approved in 1996 — instantly changed the odds for black, Latino and Native American students vying for a spot in the selective University of California system. The change was felt most acutely at UC Berkeley and UCLA, two of the nation’s most competitive and prestigious public universities. At Cal, the freshman admission rates for those three groups plunged by more than 50 percent between 1997 and 1998, the year the ban took effect — from 45 percent to 20 percent. The proportion of black freshmen fell by half, to 3.4 percent of the class. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/06/24/us/affirmative-action-bans.html https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/heres-what-happens-when-you-ban-affirmative-action-in-college-admissions/ https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/the-painful-truth-about-affirmative-action/263122/ http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.3102/0162373713508810 http://public.econ.duke.edu/%7Epsarcidi/grades_4.0.pdf http://public.econ.duke.edu/~psarcidi/prop209.pdf All point out how Black and Hispanic minority enrollment numbers dropped after a ban on Affirmative Action (with the exception of Hispanics in Florida). Not to mention, blacks overwhelmingly support Affirmative Action. Funny how they support something that 'supposedly' benefits white women the most, huh. http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2016/1/affirmative-action-remains-deeply-divisive.html <cite>HiddenRoar posted [p:880122841] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>White women are the group that benefits the most from affirmative action. Why are you bringing race into this and talking about people doing stuff illegally?</quote> I don't understand why this point is always glossed over. Maybe these people don't actually care about AA and only want to bitch about minorities.</quote> Source? Because it's surely not the case for education. If Affirmative Action benefited white women the most, logic assumes that their enrollment numbers should fall the hardest once repealed since they no longer receive the benefits. Looking at the statistics of universities that banned racial preference, that's not the case. http://www.mercurynews.com/2013/06/21/affirmative-action-ban-at-uc-15-years-later/ Proposition 209 — approved in 1996 — instantly changed the odds for black, Latino and Native American students vying for a spot in the selective University of California system. The change was felt most acutely at UC Berkeley and UCLA, two of the nation’s most competitive and prestigious public universities. At Cal, the freshman admission rates for those three groups plunged by more than 50 percent between 1997 and 1998, the year the ban took effect — from 45 percent to 20 percent. The proportion of black freshmen fell by half, to 3.4 percent of the class. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/06/24/us/affirmative-action-bans.html https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/heres-what-happens-when-you-ban-affirmative-action-in-college-admissions/ https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/the-painful-truth-about-affirmative-action/263122/ http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.3102/0162373713508810 http://public.econ.duke.edu/%7Epsarcidi/grades_4.0.pdf http://public.econ.duke.edu/~psarcidi/prop209.pdf All point out how Black and Hispanic minority enrollment numbers dropped after a ban on Affirmative Action (with the exception of Hispanics in Florida). Not to mention, blacks overwhelmingly support Affirmative Action. Funny how they support something that 'supposedly' benefits white women the most, huh. http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2016/1/affirmative-action-remains-deeply-divisive.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/31/17 1:19:43 AM #90:	Mike_Stanton posted... there ya go Odd you didn't stfu and instead whined because black people get to benefit from something. You fucking racist. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:880122894] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>there ya go</quote> Odd you didn't stfu and instead whined because black people get to benefit from something. You fucking racist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mike_Stanton 05/31/17 2:47:27 AM #91:	Kineth posted... Mike_Stanton posted... there ya go Odd you didn't stfu and instead whined because black people get to benefit from something. You fucking racist. I'm racist for not wanting blacks to be given an unfair advantage? --- RIP Butters_1188 2005-2009 Prove me wrong <cite>Mike_Stanton posted [p:880125831] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>there ya go</quote> Odd you didn't stfu and instead whined because black people get to benefit from something. You fucking racist.</quote> I'm racist for not wanting blacks to be given an unfair advantage?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 05/31/17 2:54:56 AM #92:	Mike_Stanton posted... Kineth posted... Mike_Stanton posted... there ya go Odd you didn't stfu and instead whined because black people get to benefit from something. You fucking racist. I'm racist for not wanting blacks to be given an unfair advantage? Naive more than racist. --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:880126042] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>there ya go</quote> Odd you didn't stfu and instead whined because black people get to benefit from something. You fucking racist.</quote> I'm racist for not wanting blacks to be given an unfair advantage?</quote> Naive more than racist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Deedice 05/31/17 5:52:29 PM #93:	Mike_Stanton posted... Kineth posted... Mike_Stanton posted... there ya go Odd you didn't stfu and instead whined because black people get to benefit from something. You fucking racist. I'm racist for not wanting blacks to be given an unfair advantage? Based on his logic, I'm guessing that if blacks didn't benefit from AA, TC would find no issue with it --- Drake the type of dude to gather the Dragon Balls to wish that his ex finds a good man. - KMNL <cite>Deedice posted [p:880163318] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>there ya go</quote> Odd you didn't stfu and instead whined because black people get to benefit from something. You fucking racist.</quote> I'm racist for not wanting blacks to be given an unfair advantage?</quote> Based on his logic, I'm guessing that if blacks didn't benefit from AA, TC would find no issue with it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mike_Stanton 06/01/17 1:34:38 AM #94:	Deedice posted... Mike_Stanton posted... Kineth posted... Mike_Stanton posted... there ya go Odd you didn't stfu and instead whined because black people get to benefit from something. You fucking racist. I'm racist for not wanting blacks to be given an unfair advantage? Based on his logic, I'm guessing that if blacks didn't benefit from AA, TC would find no issue with it Still makes no sense. No marginalized groups should be given an unfair advantage as revenge for past discrimination. --- RIP Butters_1188 2005-2009 Prove me wrong <cite>Mike_Stanton posted [p:880187877] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Deedice posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>there ya go</quote> Odd you didn't stfu and instead whined because black people get to benefit from something. You fucking racist.</quote> I'm racist for not wanting blacks to be given an unfair advantage?</quote> Based on his logic, I'm guessing that if blacks didn't benefit from AA, TC would find no issue with it</quote> Still makes no sense. No marginalized groups should be given an unfair advantage as revenge for past discrimination.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 06/01/17 7:03:39 AM #95:	Mike_Stanton posted... Deedice posted... Mike_Stanton posted... Kineth posted... Mike_Stanton posted... there ya go Odd you didn't stfu and instead whined because black people get to benefit from something. You fucking racist. I'm racist for not wanting blacks to be given an unfair advantage? Based on his logic, I'm guessing that if blacks didn't benefit from AA, TC would find no issue with it Still makes no sense. No marginalized groups should be given an unfair advantage as revenge for past discrimination. You're the one calling it revenge and your basis for your arguments are bullshit. I can't remember whose alt you are though. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:880195102] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Deedice posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>there ya go</quote> Odd you didn't stfu and instead whined because black people get to benefit from something. You fucking racist.</quote> I'm racist for not wanting blacks to be given an unfair advantage?</quote> Based on his logic, I'm guessing that if blacks didn't benefit from AA, TC would find no issue with it</quote> Still makes no sense. No marginalized groups should be given an unfair advantage as revenge for past discrimination.</quote> You're the one calling it revenge and your basis for your arguments are bullshit. I can't remember whose alt you are though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mike_Stanton 06/01/17 9:17:20 AM #96:	Kineth posted... You're the one calling it revenge and your basis for your arguments are bullshit. I can't remember whose alt you are though. And surprisingly you still can't make a valid rebuttal. And if you can't remember whose alt I am why don't you read my sig, genius? --- RIP Butters_1188 2005-2009 Prove me wrong <cite>Mike_Stanton posted [p:880199050] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>You're the one calling it revenge and your basis for your arguments are bullshit. I can't remember whose alt you are though.</quote> And surprisingly you still can't make a valid rebuttal. And if you can't remember whose alt I am why don't you read my sig, genius?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 06/01/17 9:34:29 AM #97:	Mike_Stanton posted... No marginalized groups should be given an unfair advantage They aren't. If we're running a 100m dash against each other, and I take your socks and running shoes away and put you on a track made of gravel (while I run on a normal track), but then I give you a 5-foot head start, I haven't given you an "unfair advantage." In fact, you're still at a major disadvantage because of all the other things I've done. --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:880199739] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>No marginalized groups should be given an unfair advantage</quote> They aren't. If we're running a 100m dash against each other, and I take your socks and running shoes away and put you on a track made of gravel (while I run on a normal track), but then I give you a 5-foot head start, I haven't given you an "unfair advantage." In fact, you're still at a major disadvantage because of all the other things I've done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mike_Stanton 06/01/17 9:44:13 AM #98:	That_Happened posted... Mike_Stanton posted... No marginalized groups should be given an unfair advantage They aren't. If we're running a 100m dash against each other, and I take your socks and running shoes away and put you on a track made of gravel (while I run on a normal track), but then I give you a 5-foot head start, I haven't given you an "unfair advantage." In fact, you're still at a major disadvantage because of all the other things I've done. The correct solution in that scenario would be to give back the socks and shoes, fix the track that was messed up, and disqualify the one who did all of those things. Therein lies the flaw with modern day AA...things have gotten better over the past several decades, and if someone has a valid reason to favor a white man/person over someone who happens to belong to a marginalized group then they shouldn't be forced to start taking race/ethnicity/gender/whatever into account. When it first started, AA was definitely a good way of giving minorities a chance to get their feet wet in spite of any racist employers who wouldn't have otherwise given them a chance. Racism still exists, but job opportunities and opportunities for higher education have already been created by past AAPs. --- RIP Butters_1188 2005-2009 Prove me wrong <cite>Mike_Stanton posted [p:880200152] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>No marginalized groups should be given an unfair advantage</quote> They aren't. If we're running a 100m dash against each other, and I take your socks and running shoes away and put you on a track made of gravel (while I run on a normal track), but then I give you a 5-foot head start, I haven't given you an "unfair advantage." In fact, you're still at a major disadvantage because of all the other things I've done.</quote> The correct solution in that scenario would be to give back the socks and shoes, fix the track that was messed up, and disqualify the one who did all of those things. Therein lies the flaw with modern day AA...things have gotten better over the past several decades, and if someone has a valid reason to favor a white man/person over someone who happens to belong to a marginalized group then they shouldn't be forced to start taking race/ethnicity/gender/whatever into account. When it first started, AA was definitely a good way of giving minorities a chance to get their feet wet in spite of any racist employers who wouldn't have otherwise given them a chance. Racism still exists, but job opportunities and opportunities for higher education have already been created by past AAPs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 06/01/17 9:59:12 AM #99:	Mike_Stanton posted... The correct solution in that scenario would be to give back the socks and shoes, fix the track that was messed up, and disqualify the one who did all of those things. Trouble is many people have a problem with this, and would tell the runner to "fix his own track and buy his own shoes." Mike_Stanton posted... they shouldn't be forced to start taking race/ethnicity/gender/whatever into account. No one is forced to do any of this. --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:880200812] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote>The correct solution in that scenario would be to give back the socks and shoes, fix the track that was messed up, and disqualify the one who did all of those things. </quote> Trouble is many people have a problem with this, and would tell the runner to "fix his own track and buy his own shoes." <cite>Mike_Stanton posted...</cite> <quote> they shouldn't be forced to start taking race/ethnicity/gender/whatever into account.</quote> No one is forced to do any of this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mike_Stanton 06/01/17 10:15:22 AM #100:	That_Happened posted... Trouble is many people have a problem with this, and would tell the runner to "fix his own track and buy his own shoes." And many of them won't. In this day and age, anybody who favors a toothless redneck over a qualified black man is just doing themselves a disservice, while the qualified black candidate easily finds another opportunity from one of the many non-racist employers. That_Happened posted... No one is forced to do any of this. Plenty of companies (a majority if I'm not mistaken) are required to have an AAP. --- RIP Butters_1188 2005-2009 Prove me wrong <cite>Mike_Stanton posted [p:880201549] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote>Trouble is many people have a problem with this, and would tell the runner to "fix his own track and buy his own shoes."</quote> And many of them won't. In this day and age, anybody who favors a toothless redneck over a qualified black man is just doing themselves a disservice, while the qualified black candidate easily finds another opportunity from one of the many non-racist employers. <cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote>No one is forced to do any of this.</quote> Plenty of companies (a majority if I'm not mistaken) are required to have an AAP.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mike_Stanton 06/01/17 10:26:53 AM #101:	In fact, I just thought of a good variant of the track runner analogy... Let's say that minorities have a history of being screwed in the sport of track and field in the exact manner that you described. In order to remedy it, their opponents are always required to be given enough of a handicap to level the playing field in every single event. But then over the years, it becomes less and less common for certain runners to be screwed. Despite this, their opponents continue to be given a handicap in every race even though a majority of the time there's no cheating that needs to be compromised. As a result, minorities end up with a major advantage in every race all because of past racism that occurred before their white counterparts were even alive. Does that sound fair at all to you? --- RIP Butters_1188 2005-2009 Prove me wrong <cite>Mike_Stanton posted [p:880202124] in Affirmativ... [t:75394436]...</cite> <quote>In fact, I just thought of a good variant of the track runner analogy... Let's say that minorities have a history of being screwed in the sport of track and field in the exact manner that you described. In order to remedy it, their opponents are always required to be given enough of a handicap to level the playing field in every single event. But then over the years, it becomes less and less common for certain runners to be screwed. Despite this, their opponents continue to be given a handicap in every race even though a majority of the time there's no cheating that needs to be compromised. As a result, minorities end up with a major advantage in every race all because of past racism that occurred before their white counterparts were even alive. Does that sound fair at all to you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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