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BowserCuffs
05/24/17 5:06:43 PM
#51:


Colegreen_c12 posted...
money absolutely can buy happiness (to a point at least)


And look, this is the point I'm trying to make.

Money alone can't buy happiness and I don't think anyone here believes that.

but

It can give you the resources to earn your happiness, because that's what a lot of us lack. Resources.

A rich person has their own stresses but they can afford the best therapist and the best anti-depressants out there. They can afford to explore, to go to school, to enrich themselves. They can afford to hang out, explore things that can make them actually happy.

When you're poor, you work, you exist, and you die. You can't afford therapy. You can't afford anti-depressants. You exist in several repetitive locations, doing the same repetitive things, just so you can continue to exist for a bit longer, hoping that maybe some day, you can get a lucky break.

And sometimes you do. And sometimes you get an unlucky break and end up losing your job because you got hospitalized, which also landed you in more debt than you'll ever be able to pay in your life.
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Red Shifter
05/24/17 5:06:45 PM
#52:


money buys happiness

but it doesn't find it
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Colegreen_c12
05/24/17 5:08:47 PM
#53:


EndOfDiscOne posted...
Colegreen_c12 posted...
money absolutely can buy happiness (to a point at least)


The article I read said $70,000/year of household income. Anything above that doesn't make you happier.


just going by the first one article i found

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/14/money-can-buy-happiness-but-only-to-a-point.html

The difference the marginal dollar makes in reducing negative emotions starts to fall off around $70,000, is very low by $160,000 and hits zero around $200,000.


So unless you're already making 200,000 a year it will probably help.

Also for people saying people will beg for money, there are ways to remain anonymous.
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Colegreen_c12
05/24/17 5:10:49 PM
#54:


BowserCuffs posted...
Colegreen_c12 posted...
money absolutely can buy happiness (to a point at least)


And look, this is the point I'm trying to make.

Money alone can't buy happiness and I don't think anyone here believes that.

but

It can give you the resources to earn your happiness, because that's what a lot of us lack. Resources.

A rich person has their own stresses but they can afford the best therapist and the best anti-depressants out there. They can afford to explore, to go to school, to enrich themselves. They can afford to hang out, explore things that can make them actually happy.

When you're poor, you work, you exist, and you die. You can't afford therapy. You can't afford anti-depressants. You exist in several repetitive locations, doing the same repetitive things, just so you can continue to exist for a bit longer, hoping that maybe some day, you can get a lucky break.

And sometimes you do. And sometimes you get an unlucky break and end up losing your job because you got hospitalized, which also landed you in more debt than you'll ever be able to pay in your life.


no offense but all you're saying is money lets you buy happiness. money lets you not worry about things that cause unhappiness which is essentially the same as buying happniess.
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foolm0r0n
05/24/17 5:11:15 PM
#55:


BowserCuffs posted...
are they not allowed to cry out in pain because someone else had a boulder dropped on both of their legs?

Of course they are, that's obviously a terrible situation. You can complain about bad situations all you want, no matter how big or small. Unhappiness isn't a competition, except to people like you who desperately need to justify their feeling that their life is sooo totally horrible. But I bet this guy would tell you that having 1 leg crushed by a boulder is way better than having 2 legs crushed. He would be happy about that.

BowserCuffs posted...
if someone can't be happy in a war torn country about to get bombed to death for no reason, and the fact that they're not starving to death under some boulder in the middle of nowhere with no hope of rescue, then it's impossible that they'll be happy as a well fed person receiving decent health care.

Exactly right. And those war torn people DO actually find happiness in their situation. It's us rich people who have the hardest time finding happiness in our situations.

Some Somali kid who had his arm blown off would find immensely more happiness in a lottery than you for example, because they have that happiness skill.
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foolm0r0n
05/24/17 5:11:57 PM
#56:


EndOfDiscOne posted...
The article I read said $70,000/year of household income. Anything above that doesn't make you happier.

It totally does cuz you can fund a side business with the extra
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BowserCuffs
05/24/17 5:12:38 PM
#57:


foolm0r0n posted...
BowserCuffs posted...
are they not allowed to cry out in pain because someone else had a boulder dropped on both of their legs?

Of course they are, that's obviously a terrible situation. You can complain about bad situations all you want, no matter how big or small. Unhappiness isn't a competition, except to people like you who desperately need to justify their feeling that their life is sooo totally horrible. But I bet this guy would tell you that having 1 leg crushed by a boulder is way better than having 2 legs crushed. He would be happy about that.

BowserCuffs posted...
if someone can't be happy in a war torn country about to get bombed to death for no reason, and the fact that they're not starving to death under some boulder in the middle of nowhere with no hope of rescue, then it's impossible that they'll be happy as a well fed person receiving decent health care.

Exactly right. And those war torn people DO actually find happiness in their situation. It's us rich people who have the hardest time finding happiness in our situations.

Some Somali kid who had his arm blown off would find immensely more happiness in a lottery than you for example, because they have that happiness skill.


What the fuck is your problem?
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Johnbobb
05/24/17 5:13:04 PM
#58:


foolm0r0n posted...
And those war torn people DO actually find happiness in their situation. It's us rich people who have the hardest time finding happiness in our situations.

fucking christ
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CaptainOfCrush
05/24/17 5:16:40 PM
#59:


BowserCuffs posted...
And those problems are not, in any way, comparable to the problems that come with being poor.

Not saying they are, but the poll is asking if you think tons of money would guarantee your happiness. You really think it would?
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BowserCuffs
05/24/17 5:17:23 PM
#60:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
BowserCuffs posted...
And those problems are not, in any way, comparable to the problems that come with being poor.

Not saying they are, but the poll is asking if you think tons of money would guarantee your happiness. You really think it would?


You're talking to me like I haven't made several arguments in this thread about why it would, at the very least, help.
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foolm0r0n
05/24/17 5:19:33 PM
#62:


BowserCuffs posted...
What the fuck is your problem?

Johnbobb posted...
fucking christ

Man unhappiness athletes get mad easy
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foolm0r0n
05/24/17 5:21:20 PM
#63:


BowserCuffs posted...
You're talking to me like I haven't made several arguments in this thread about why it would, at the very least, help.

Do you really not understand the difference between helping happiness and guaranteeing it?
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CaptainOfCrush
05/24/17 5:21:49 PM
#64:


We ain't talking about help, we're talking about guarantees. The poll uses that word twice!

If it weren't worded so strongly, I doubt anyone would be having an argument. Most people agree that more money can at least provide an opportunity for more happiness.
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BowserCuffs
05/24/17 5:22:06 PM
#65:


foolm0r0n posted...
BowserCuffs posted...
What the fuck is your problem?

Johnbobb posted...
fucking christ

Man unhappiness athletes get mad easy

I see this is the narrative you've convinced yourself of.
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foolm0r0n
05/24/17 5:24:15 PM
#66:


BowserCuffs posted...
I see this is the narrative you've convinced yourself of.

Yeah for some reason I just couldn't find a good response to your rebuttal
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BowserCuffs
05/24/17 5:24:33 PM
#67:


foolm0r0n posted...
BowserCuffs posted...
You're talking to me like I haven't made several arguments in this thread about why it would, at the very least, help.

Do you really not understand the difference between helping happiness and guaranteeing it?

CaptainOfCrush posted...
We ain't talking about help, we're talking about guarantees. The poll uses that word twice!

If it weren't worded so strongly, I doubt anyone would be having an argument. Most people agree that more money can at least provide an opportunity for more happiness.


Did either of you even read the first post I made in this thread? Dear gods, I feel like I'm arguing with a bunch of people whose thoughts are stuck on a railroad wearing blinders.

No, money can't guarantee happiness, but lack of resources to pursue happiness guarantees unhappiness.

And money buys resources.

God, I thought you people would want a little depth added to the argument beyond the topic title.

Also, are you really defending foolmo's creepy as fuck arguments, Captain?
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Gatarix
05/24/17 5:27:06 PM
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no, because health problems exist. obviously money would help with health care, and being able to invest a hundred million (or so) in health care research could pay off big in the long run. but if someone I care about dies from a sudden heart attack, powerball isn't fixing that.

but as long as I and the people I care about stay healthy, then sure
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CaptainOfCrush
05/24/17 5:28:31 PM
#69:


I haven't mentioned foolmo or read most of his posts (sorry foolmo). I'm just discussing the actual poll.
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foolm0r0n
05/24/17 5:29:13 PM
#70:


BowserCuffs posted...
No, money can't guarantee happiness, but lack of resources to pursue happiness guarantees unhappiness.

Everyone ITT agrees with this
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BowserCuffs
05/24/17 5:29:43 PM
#71:


Gatarix posted...
no, because health problems exist. obviously money would help with health care, and being able to invest a hundred million (or so) in health care research could pay off big in the long run. but if someone I care about dies from a sudden heart attack, powerball isn't fixing that.

but as long as I and the people I care about stay healthy, then sure


A very reasonable perspective
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Bane_Of_Despair
05/24/17 5:31:27 PM
#72:


Money grants you things and means towards happiness and that's all that matters to me
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banananor
05/24/17 7:29:59 PM
#73:


Smallville posted...
yeah i agree with you banana, how can someone be ecstatic all the time?

thanks!

digiiiiiiiii posted...
i feel like you didn't either

you don't need endorphins to be happy. ecstatic and feeling a rush? sure. ecstatic and happy are not the same thing

i agree with you, and that's why i used both words!

i guess it depends on your definition of the word "happy". which, i suppose like love, isn't perfectly defined.

i'm trying to tease a difference between constant happiness versus constant contentedness. to me, feeling happy is feeling slightly excited or really good about what's happening in that general moment

i hypothesize it would be impossible to be happy while your dog is dying (for example), which is i guess i mean by 100% 'happiness coverage' being impossible. however, to me, contentedness is being overall okay with how your greater life is going. that things might not be perfect, but they are okay.

to me it seems like 100% contentedness might be possible
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