Current Events > Acting like all religions are equally bad in 2017 is dishonest.

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Asherlee10 posted...

I want to see a huge wave of moderate Christians telling the staunchly conservative Christians to fuck off and not let them have the reigns.

We're trying.
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The Admiral posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

The Admiral posted...

We don't have to ignore it, but we should apply some intelligence and address the problems from big to small. Christian terrorism is an incredibly small problem that is basically limited to 3 countries in Africa. Muslim terrorism is global and is a threat to people well beyond that region. Bringing up the former when we have daily incidents of the latter is asinine.

Your rationale here is like taking an instance where a KKK member lynched a black person and saying "but sometimes black people are mean to Asians! Why are we ignoring that racism!"

Get a clue and stop being a mindless apologist.

I mean, there are for more Christian Terrorism attacks in the US as well.

No there isn't.

Islamic Terrorism has a higher death count because of of 9/11 and the Boston Marathon. But if we're talking number of incidents and number of people taking part in these attacks, Christian Terrorism dominates.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Your rationale here is like taking an instance where a KKK member lynched a black person and saying "but sometimes black people are mean to Asians! Why are we ignoring that racism!"

welp this thread is about to hit 500

The hilarious part is that he took me bashing Christianity as an attempt to defend Islam which I've bashed just as hard in this topic lol

You didn't bash Islam harder though. That is basically letting the terrorists win.

Damn shame...
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We're trying.

abortion y/n

DarkChozoGhost posted...

The Admiral posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

The Admiral posted...

We don't have to ignore it, but we should apply some intelligence and address the problems from big to small. Christian terrorism is an incredibly small problem that is basically limited to 3 countries in Africa. Muslim terrorism is global and is a threat to people well beyond that region. Bringing up the former when we have daily incidents of the latter is asinine.

Your rationale here is like taking an instance where a KKK member lynched a black person and saying "but sometimes black people are mean to Asians! Why are we ignoring that racism!"

Get a clue and stop being a mindless apologist.

I mean, there are for more Christian Terrorism attacks in the US as well.

No there isn't.

Islamic Terrorism has a higher death count because of of 9/11 and the Boston Marathon. But if we're talking number of incidents and number of people taking part in these attacks, Christian Terrorism dominates.

Islamic terrorism only makes up a very small (as in single digits) of attacks in the US.

Now if we were talking about Europe, then maybe he'd have a point.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

Islamic Terrorism has a higher death count because of of 9/11 and the Boston Marathon. But if we're talking number of incidents and number of people taking part in these attacks, Christian Terrorism dominates.

And the Orlando Pulse club. And San Bernadino. And the Chattanooga shootings.

But please, provide some details on the Christian terrorism death toll in the US. Should be as easy to recall as the Muslim attacks if it "dominates."
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

Have you actually read the Bible? Paul outlines that homosexuality is sin, and that it's God's will for women to be submissive. I'll often hear people say, "well, Paul wasn't Jesus, some of what he says is just his opinion and doesn't hold weight." This is not the case. Even if what he says was drawn from his opinions, it's in the Bible.

Any part of the Bible being true requires believing the entire Bible was guided by God's hand, and that every single thing in it is the direct word of God. If you do not believe this to be the case, the entire Bible loses authenticity. If the Bible can be altered by anyone without God's intent, then you can't count on ANY of it being God's word.

So yeah, Paul says some hateful things.

Homosexuality being a sin doesn't mean Christians are supposed to hate gays or try to stop them from getting married. Christians are called to love everyone, even people they disagree with. Also, an argument could be made that God doesn't actually hate homosexuality, because every time homosexuality is mentioned as a bad thing in the Bible, it is associated with multiple partners and orgies. Many Christians believe that God-centered, monogamous, homosexual relationships are God approved. God telling you to love people isn't hateful.

Wives being submissive to their husbands is part of Christian culture, but the Bible also specifies that husbands are supposed to love their wives and serve them in love. The Bible's message isn't, "treat women however you want because they are beneath you". Wives being submissive to husbands isn't hateful.
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FrenchCrunch posted...

We're trying.

abortion y/n

PM me if you want to discuss that. Thread is far enough off the rails already.
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PM me if you want to discuss that. Thread is far enough off the rails already.

dont claim youre trying if you actually are not.

FrenchCrunch posted...

PM me if you want to discuss that. Thread is far enough off the rails already.

dont claim youre trying if you actually are not.

In my life I have spoken out against hateful "Christians". I've done it many times. And I support anyone who does it with me.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Have you actually read the Bible? Paul outlines that homosexuality is sin, and that it's God's will for women to be submissive. I'll often hear people say, "well, Paul wasn't Jesus, some of what he says is just his opinion and doesn't hold weight." This is not the case. Even if what he says was drawn from his opinions, it's in the Bible.

Any part of the Bible being true requires believing the entire Bible was guided by God's hand, and that every single thing in it is the direct word of God. If you do not believe this to be the case, the entire Bible loses authenticity. If the Bible can be altered by anyone without God's intent, then you can't count on ANY of it being God's word.

So yeah, Paul says some hateful things.

Homosexuality being a sin doesn't mean Christians are supposed to hate gays or try to stop them from getting married. Christians are called to love everyone, even people they disagree with. Also, an argument could be made that God doesn't actually hate homosexuality, because every time homosexuality is mentioned as a bad thing in the Bible, it is associated with multiple partners and orgies. Many Christians believe that God-centered, monogamous, homosexual relationships are God approved. God telling you to love people isn't hateful.

Wives being submissive to their husbands is part of Christian culture, but the Bible also specifies that husbands are supposed to love their wives and serve them in love. The Bible's message isn't, "treat women however you want because they are beneath you". Wives being submissive to husbands isn't hateful.

religion has you bowing to a statement and there has to be a being you are bound to. It doesn't matter if the Christian attitude is valid or not.
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The Admiral posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Islamic Terrorism has a higher death count because of of 9/11 and the Boston Marathon. But if we're talking number of incidents and number of people taking part in these attacks, Christian Terrorism dominates.

And the Orlando Pulse club. And San Bernadino. And the Chattanooga shootings.

But please, provide some details on the Christian terrorism death toll in the US. Should be as easy to recall as the Muslim attacks if it "dominates."

There have been almost 30 terrorist attack on Planned Parenthood in the last 10 years. Less than a dozen Islamic terrorism attacks.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

The Admiral posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Islamic Terrorism has a higher death count because of of 9/11 and the Boston Marathon. But if we're talking number of incidents and number of people taking part in these attacks, Christian Terrorism dominates.

And the Orlando Pulse club. And San Bernadino. And the Chattanooga shootings.

But please, provide some details on the Christian terrorism death toll in the US. Should be as easy to recall as the Muslim attacks if it "dominates."

There have been almost 30 terrorist attack on Planned Parenthood in the last 10 years. Less than a dozen Islamic terrorism attacks.

What's the death toll?
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In my life I have spoken out against hateful "Christians". I've done it many times. And I support anyone who does it with me.

if youre on their side for abortion, youre part of the problem and likely on their side for other twisted shit

The Admiral posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Islamic Terrorism has a higher death count because of of 9/11 and the Boston Marathon. But if we're talking number of incidents and number of people taking part in these attacks, Christian Terrorism dominates.

And the Orlando Pulse club. And San Bernadino. And the Chattanooga shootings.

But please, provide some details on the Christian terrorism death toll in the US. Should be as easy to recall as the Muslim attacks if it "dominates."

Terrorism in general is a non issue if we're going to get so into numbers. But that would be stupid.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Terrorism in general is a non issue if we're going to get so into numbers. But that would be stupid.

Apart from that time they got 3000 at once, pretty much.

Vindris_SNH posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Have you actually read the Bible? Paul outlines that homosexuality is sin, and that it's God's will for women to be submissive. I'll often hear people say, "well, Paul wasn't Jesus, some of what he says is just his opinion and doesn't hold weight." This is not the case. Even if what he says was drawn from his opinions, it's in the Bible.

Any part of the Bible being true requires believing the entire Bible was guided by God's hand, and that every single thing in it is the direct word of God. If you do not believe this to be the case, the entire Bible loses authenticity. If the Bible can be altered by anyone without God's intent, then you can't count on ANY of it being God's word.

So yeah, Paul says some hateful things.

Homosexuality being a sin doesn't mean Christians are supposed to hate gays or try to stop them from getting married. Christians are called to love everyone, even people they disagree with. Also, an argument could be made that God doesn't actually hate homosexuality, because every time homosexuality is mentioned as a bad thing in the Bible, it is associated with multiple partners and orgies. Many Christians believe that God-centered, monogamous, homosexual relationships are God approved. God telling you to love people isn't hateful.

Wives being submissive to their husbands is part of Christian culture, but the Bible also specifies that husbands are supposed to love their wives and serve them in love. The Bible's message isn't, "treat women however you want because they are beneath you". Wives being submissive to husbands isn't hateful.

It's annoying as hell, like a pet project where everyone's co-opted homosexuality as some kind of outrage crusade against Christianity when it spans moral arguments around free will and good and evil in every aspect of life. About 5% of the population is gay, I have absolutely no idea why every time the morality of the Bible comes up this gets shoved in like it's the one contribution that Christian ethics has over western civilization. I know immediately who to ignore on the issues of good and evil and where to even begin a discussion by how soon homosexuality as a topic shows up. It's Godwin's law for Judeo-Christian discussion. I think of Milton spending so much time writing Paradise Lost, trying to get to the true heart of what appears to be a problem with God's justice, and conversely a few centuries later we have scholars who have all figured it out with their gender studies degrees who just know the answer is it's all wrong, and a hatred of homosexuality is the true, one and only defining characteristic of the staple of human morality that built the world around them.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Terrorism in general is a non issue if we're going to get so into numbers. But that would be stupid.

Aside from their stated desire to set off a dirty bomb in the U.S. and potentially kill hundreds of thousands of people, you mean. But yeah, let's wait for that to happen before we take this issue seriously. Seems like sound advice.
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The Admiral posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Terrorism in general is a non issue if we're going to get so into numbers. But that would be stupid.

Aside from their stated desire to set off a dirty bomb in the U.S. and potentially kill hundreds of thousands of people, you mean. But yeah, let's wait for that to happen before we take this issue seriously. Seems like sound advice.

And that would be justifiable grounds for war, yes.
The reason the world seems so hesitant, is because a handful of people still do remember the gigantic clusterfuck that started with some little radicalized dickhole in Serajevo back in 1914.

Questionmarktarius posted...

And that would be justifiable grounds for war, yes. The reason the world seems so hesitant, is because a handful of people still do remember the gigantic clusterfuck that started with some little radicalized dickhole in Serajevo back in 1914

Princip and the Black Hand were Serbian nationalists supported by elements of the Serbian government, which gave Austria-Hungary a clear target for a declaration of war. You don't declare war on an ideology.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

And that would be justifiable grounds for war, yes. The reason the world seems so hesitant, is because a handful of people still do remember the gigantic clusterfuck that started with some little radicalized dickhole in Serajevo back in 1914

Princip and the Black Hand were Serbian nationalists supported by elements of the Serbian government, which gave Austria-Hungary a clear target for a declaration of war. You don't declare war on an ideology.

ISIL/ISIS is also a nationalistic movement.

HippopotamusRex posted...

It's annoying as hell, like a pet project where everyone's co-opted homosexuality as some kind of outrage crusade against Christianity when it spans moral arguments around free will and good and evil in every aspect of life. About 5% of the population is gay, I have absolutely no idea why every time the morality of the Bible comes up this gets shoved in like it's the one contribution that Christian ethics has over western civilization. I know immediately who to ignore on the issues of good and evil and where to even begin a discussion by how soon homosexuality as a topic shows up. It's Godwin's law for Judeo-Christian discussion. I think of Milton spending so much time writing Paradise Lost, trying to get to the true heart of what appears to be a problem with God's justice, and conversely a few centuries later we have scholars who have all figured it out with their gender studies degrees who just know the answer is it's all wrong, and a hatred of homosexuality is the true, one and only defining characteristic of the staple of human morality that built the world around them.

Yeah I don't know how Christianity was reduced to gender politics. I mean ISIS would have me executed because of my religious ideals first and foremost, though I am by no means saying Christendom is better about it. Some embarrassing moments between them and western governments have made them less of a problem
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FrenchCrunch posted...

if youre on their side for abortion, youre part of the problem and likely on their side for other twisted shit

My stance on abortion has absolutely nothing to do with religion. If you want details, PM me, I'm keeping that discussion out of this thread.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

There are plenty of ideas in both the Bible and the Quran which I wouldn't want to be a part of my life, regardless of which text is deemed worse overall.

Yes and only one religion still practices these bad ideas on a major scale.

And no I'm not talking about a few Christians being super offensive.
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Hey TC..I just realized I recognized your username.

You used to frequent the Paranormal Board a long ass time ago didn't you?
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All religion is bad because it prevents people from using logic and is systematically slowing the human race's development down.

If the dark ages never happened we would be a few hundred years more advanced technologically.
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Samaellives91 posted...

If the dark ages never happened we would be a few hundred years more advanced technologically.

I'm not a fan of religion myself, but this is wrong on all accounts. You can blame the power vacuum that the fall of Western Rome left behind for a while and the Enlightenment era's efforts to make everything that was achieved before their time look backwards by comparison.
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Many Middle Eastern countries were actually fairly secular (despite still being Muslim majority) until the USA and UK intentionally destabilized them during the Cold War by funding and arming fundamentalist rebel groups, in order to fight a proxy war against Russia.

The problem isn't necessarily Islam specifically, as much as it is religious fundamentalism, imperialism, and a gullible/impressionable/fearful populace. Were Christianity the historically dominant religion in the Middle East with nothing else changed, the result would be identical, only under a different book.

Samaellives91 posted...

All religion is bad because it prevents people from using logic and is systematically slowing the human race's development down.

In no way is religion itself doing any of this. People use religion as an excuse for idiocy.
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Pretending there is no Christian terrorism or that Christianity is any better than Islam is more dishonest.
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The Admiral posted...

What's the death toll?

Irrelevant to my claim. Except for when I initially mentioned it.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

The Admiral posted...

What's the death toll?

Irrelevant to my claim. Except for when I initially mentioned it.

How is it irrelevant when it's the main thing we're discussing? You said:

Islamic Terrorism has a higher death count because of of 9/11 and the Boston Marathon.

which is wrong.
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Ok. I neglected to mention the Pulse nightclub shooting. Barring that,

DarkChozoGhost posted...

if we're talking number of incidents and number of people taking part in these attacks, Christian Terrorism dominates.

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HypnoCoosh posted...

Stop it with your logic and common sense

Christianity never modernized, it was just kicked out of government.

And yet nobody dares to criticize Judaism, hah.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Christianity never modernized, it was just kicked out of government.

And even if it did modernize, all that would mean is most practicing Christians have no true convictions and they are willing to sell out the values they claim to believe in. Which lets be honest, is already well known and documented. So basically, the Christian defense boils down to "Muslims are more true to their religion than we are, look how well we ignore large parts of our own religion!"
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

Ok. I neglected to mention the Pulse nightclub shooting. Barring that,

DarkChozoGhost posted...

if we're talking number of incidents and number of people taking part in these attacks, Christian Terrorism dominates.

While the fact that both occur are deplorable, the scales between Christian and Islamic terrorist attacks on US (or even more generally Western) soil (though I shouldn't even include Europe for fear of accusations for moving the goalposts) are not equal.

So what should be scrutinized more, the frequency or potency of attacks? I think it's dishonest to criticize both equally if one clearly does more harm than the other.
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Only Islam is bad in the modern era
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EvoTech posted...

Only Islam is bad in the modern era

False. Christianity and Hinduism are both still bad in the modern era.
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EvoTech posted...

Only Islam is bad in the modern era

Religion is bad in any era.
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Samaellives91 posted...

All religion is bad because it prevents people from using logic and is systematically slowing the human race's development down.

If the dark ages never happened we would be a few hundred years more advanced technologically.

how ?
the church supported and encouraged science for centuries
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All religions have their bad parts....but anybody who tries to deny that the worst segment of Islam is worse than the worst segment of any other religion is delusional.
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Islam is the worst, but Christianity isn't very healthy.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Christianity never modernized, it was just kicked out of government.

Bingo.

Can't put religion in the government without putting the government in religion.
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chill02 posted...

Samaellives91 posted...

If the dark ages never happened we would be a few hundred years more advanced technologically.

I'm not a fan of religion myself, but this is wrong on all accounts. You can blame the power vacuum that the fall of Western Rome left behind for a while and the Enlightenment era's efforts to make everything that was achieved before their time look backwards by comparison.

Mmm, the rise of the Roman Empire haunted science too.
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Bump.
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Bump.
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Bump.
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Didn't you used to frequent the Paranormal board like a decade ago?
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