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DyingPancake 05/15/17 4:55:42 PM #51:	Zaltera posted... It's bad enough that if you see someone dying on the street they might tell you to stop calling that ambulance because they can't afford the ride. Saw this yesterday. Yea, I was willing to go ahead and drive myself to the hospital with my broken wrist where the bone was almost sticking out to avoid the costs. Luckily my wife was there to drive me In college my friend was choking really bad on some food. We did everything we could to get it out and he was trying to his best to clear it so we wouldn't have to call an ambulance. Finally had to call them and it was a couple thousand for a quick trip down the road --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with quincy2000a! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:879156280] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zaltera posted...</cite> <quote><quote>It's bad enough that if you see someone dying on the street they might tell you to stop calling that ambulance because they can't afford the ride.</quote> Saw this yesterday.</quote> Yea, I was willing to go ahead and drive myself to the hospital with my broken wrist where the bone was almost sticking out to avoid the costs. Luckily my wife was there to drive me In college my friend was choking really bad on some food. We did everything we could to get it out and he was trying to his best to clear it so we wouldn't have to call an ambulance. Finally had to call them and it was a couple thousand for a quick trip down the road</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 05/15/17 4:57:20 PM #52:	I Like Toast posted... wah_wah_wah posted... Not only do you pay way more but outcomes are generally shitty too. Not really. There's a reason why the super wealthy fly to America for care. We have the best doctors and technology. Since it can be cost prohibitive to the average person, we ignore preemptive care Key word being generally. Yes there are a few hospitals that are top notch but that's like judging the experience of Mexico by the beaches of a secured vacation resort in Cancun. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:879156359] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>I Like Toast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>Not only do you pay way more but outcomes are generally shitty too.</quote> Not really. There's a reason why the super wealthy fly to America for care. We have the best doctors and technology. Since it can be cost prohibitive to the average person, we ignore preemptive care</quote> Key word being generally. Yes there are a few hospitals that are top notch but that's like judging the experience of Mexico by the beaches of a secured vacation resort in Cancun.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 05/15/17 4:58:18 PM #53:	I Like Toast posted... There's a reason why the super wealthy fly to America for care. The super wealthy fly everywhere for care depending on what specialist they want to see, this is a really tired argument. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:879156414] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>I Like Toast posted...</cite> <quote>There's a reason why the super wealthy fly to America for care. </quote> The super wealthy fly everywhere for care depending on what specialist they want to see, this is a really tired argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I Like Toast 05/15/17 4:58:55 PM #54:	wah_wah_wah posted... Key word being generally. And generally our doctors are better. Read the entire post before replying. --- If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all <cite>I Like Toast posted [p:879156451] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>Key word being generally. </quote> And generally our doctors are better. Read the entire post before replying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 05/15/17 5:01:30 PM #55:	I Like Toast posted... wah_wah_wah posted... Key word being generally. And generally our doctors are better. Read the entire post before replying. Guess what? It doesn't matter how great your doctors are if you can't afford to see them. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:879156604] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>I Like Toast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>Key word being generally. </quote> And generally our doctors are better. Read the entire post before replying.</quote> Guess what? It doesn't matter how great your doctors are if you can't afford to see them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 05/15/17 5:02:20 PM #56:	I Like Toast posted... wah_wah_wah posted... Key word being generally. And generally our doctors are better. Read the entire post before replying. I read it. There's nothing to respond to it other than you're wrong. Unless having worse healthcare outcomes and spending more on them qualifies as the best. Which if you're a standard American McDouble muncher then yeah, top notch, best in the world. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:879156658] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>I Like Toast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>Key word being generally. </quote> And generally our doctors are better. Read the entire post before replying.</quote> I read it. There's nothing to respond to it other than you're wrong. Unless having worse healthcare outcomes and spending more on them qualifies as the best. Which if you're a standard American McDouble muncher then yeah, top notch, best in the world.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Will 05/15/17 5:15:30 PM #57:	Zeus posted... The new mandatory minimums have killed affordable plans and replaced them with more expensive versions An 'affordable plan' that doesn't actually cover anything isn't much of a plan. --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:879157439] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>The new mandatory minimums have killed affordable plans and replaced them with more expensive versions </quote> An 'affordable plan' that doesn't actually cover anything isn't much of a plan.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sir Will 05/15/17 5:38:19 PM #59:	fenderbender321 posted... Sorry, but that's simply not true. If my employer did that, then everyone would be lining up to work down the street at one of our rival companies that currently pays more in salary, but offers less benefits. My company would need to match the salary those companies are paying. And how many people are actually in a position like that? --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:879158778] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>Sorry, but that's simply not true. If my employer did that, then everyone would be lining up to work down the street at one of our rival companies that currently pays more in salary, but offers less benefits. My company would need to match the salary those companies are paying. </quote> And how many people are actually in a position like that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I Like Toast 05/15/17 5:45:36 PM #60:	fenderbender321 posted... Sorry, but that's simply not true. lol --- If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all <cite>I Like Toast posted [p:879159222] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote> Sorry, but that's simply not true.</quote> lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 05/15/17 5:55:03 PM #61:	fenderbender321 posted... Sorry, but that's simply not true. If my employer did that, then everyone would be lining up to work down the street at one of our rival companies that currently pays more in salary, but offers less benefits. My company would need to match the salary those companies are paying. Who says they'd even hire you though <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:879159846] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>Sorry, but that's simply not true. If my employer did that, then everyone would be lining up to work down the street at one of our rival companies that currently pays more in salary, but offers less benefits. My company would need to match the salary those companies are paying. </quote> Who says they'd even hire you though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wah_wah_wah 05/15/17 6:41:46 PM #64:	fenderbender321 posted... My credentials. There's plenty who have credentials for a job and just don't get hired <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:879162758] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote> My credentials.</quote> There's plenty who have credentials for a job and just don't get hired</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 05/15/17 7:35:38 PM #66:	Broseph_Stalin posted... I Like Toast posted... There's a reason why the super wealthy fly to America for care. The super wealthy fly everywhere for care depending on what specialist they want to see, this is a really tired argument. Exactly. People fly to India to get specific procedures done with equivalent to better outcomes than those done in American hospitals, and for way cheaper. Does that mean they have the best system? The ability to do specific things really well or having access to state of the art equipment does not necessarily make a system the best. A system is composed of much more than that. Care is generally pretty nice almost everywhere in the world when you're rich enough, so that can't be the measure of the best system. Things like cost, access, rationality, and choice have to be the true measures of the best system. And ours is bad to horrible at all of those except choice. --- http://i.imgur.com/0Bi86cp.gif <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:879165890] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>I Like Toast posted...</cite> <quote>There's a reason why the super wealthy fly to America for care. </quote> The super wealthy fly everywhere for care depending on what specialist they want to see, this is a really tired argument.</quote> Exactly. People fly to India to get specific procedures done with equivalent to better outcomes than those done in American hospitals, and for way cheaper. Does that mean they have the best system? The ability to do specific things really well or having access to state of the art equipment does not necessarily make a system the best. A system is composed of much more than that. Care is generally pretty nice almost everywhere in the world when you're rich enough, so that can't be the measure of the best system. Things like cost, access, rationality, and choice have to be the true measures of the best system. And ours is bad to horrible at all of those except choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Clad 05/15/17 7:43:16 PM #68:	No. It's exaggerated, just like the gun violence is. <cite>Clad posted [p:879166313] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote>No. It's exaggerated, just like the gun violence is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 05/15/17 8:01:38 PM #69:	Clad posted... No. It's exaggerated, just like the gun violence is. What proof do you have of this? People have posted things that strongly indicate the opposite. I mean over 10k per person and growing is quite a lot. Paying several times what other countries pay for routine procedures is expensive. Paying private prices for high deductible insurance instead of paying through savings or taxes is expensive AF. Wage reductions for healthcare are expensive. --- http://i.imgur.com/0Bi86cp.gif <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:879167358] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>No. It's exaggerated, just like the gun violence is.</quote> What proof do you have of this? People have posted things that strongly indicate the opposite. I mean over 10k per person and growing is quite a lot. Paying several times what other countries pay for routine procedures is expensive. Paying private prices for high deductible insurance instead of paying through savings or taxes is expensive AF. Wage reductions for healthcare are expensive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 05/15/17 8:03:44 PM #70:	legendary_zell posted... Clad posted... No. It's exaggerated, just like the gun violence is. What proof do you have of this? People have posted things that strongly indicate the opposite. I mean over 10k per person and growing is quite a lot. Paying several times what other countries pay for routine procedures is expensive. Paying private prices for high deductible insurance instead of paying through savings or taxes is expensive AF. Wage reductions for healthcare are expensive. This is like complaining about how the average home price in those other countries is high AF. It's true in general because of places and situations that skewthe average. Don't discount all the people who are swamped by credit card debt, auto loans, student loans, etc. <cite>Clad posted [p:879167484] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>No. It's exaggerated, just like the gun violence is.</quote> What proof do you have of this? People have posted things that strongly indicate the opposite. I mean over 10k per person and growing is quite a lot. Paying several times what other countries pay for routine procedures is expensive. Paying private prices for high deductible insurance instead of paying through savings or taxes is expensive AF. Wage reductions for healthcare are expensive.</quote> This is like complaining about how the average home price in those other countries is high AF. It's true in general because of places and situations that skewthe average. Don't discount all the people who are swamped by credit card debt, auto loans, student loans, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 05/15/17 8:04:30 PM #71:	the average cost per person for insurance on people in the high risk pool when obamacare was transitioning people over was 32,000/year before that the cost was "fuck off" --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:879167520] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote>the average cost per person for insurance on people in the high risk pool when obamacare was transitioning people over was 32,000/year before that the cost was "fuck off"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 05/15/17 8:05:30 PM #72:	Darkman124 posted... the average cost per person for insurance on people in the high risk pool when obamacare was transitioning people over was 32,000/year before that the cost was "fuck off" the cost of paying the doc for cash and buying meds with cash was also much much lower before. <cite>Clad posted [p:879167579] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>the average cost per person for insurance on people in the high risk pool when obamacare was transitioning people over was 32,000/year before that the cost was "fuck off"</quote> the cost of paying the doc for cash and buying meds with cash was also much much lower before.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 05/15/17 8:05:37 PM #73:	fenderbender321 posted... wah_wah_wah posted... fenderbender321 posted... My credentials. There's plenty who have credentials for a job and just don't get hired This is way off base of what we're discussing, though. So let me put this another way. I'll use a rhetorical question. Why does my company offer to pay most of my health insurance premiums as a benefit in the first place if they're so greedy that if we eliminated the tax incentive to do so they would pocket the difference instead of paying it to me? Because you're already basically working there for what you have right now, why would they even need to give you more. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:879167588] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote> My credentials.</quote> There's plenty who have credentials for a job and just don't get hired</quote> This is way off base of what we're discussing, though. So let me put this another way. I'll use a rhetorical question. Why does my company offer to pay most of my health insurance premiums as a benefit in the first place if they're so greedy that if we eliminated the tax incentive to do so they would pocket the difference instead of paying it to me?</quote> Because you're already basically working there for what you have right now, why would they even need to give you more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Will 05/15/17 8:07:13 PM #74:	Clad posted... No. It's exaggerated, just like the gun violence is. No, on both counts. --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:879167699] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>No. It's exaggerated, just like the gun violence is.</quote> No, on both counts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 05/15/17 8:07:39 PM #75:	Clad posted... Darkman124 posted... the average cost per person for insurance on people in the high risk pool when obamacare was transitioning people over was 32,000/year before that the cost was "fuck off" the cost of paying the doc for cash and buying meds with cash was also much much lower before. out of pocket costs certainly have gone up, but they were already so high as to not be feasible for anyone except healthy people seeing a family doctor once a year --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:879167724] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>the average cost per person for insurance on people in the high risk pool when obamacare was transitioning people over was 32,000/year before that the cost was "fuck off"</quote> the cost of paying the doc for cash and buying meds with cash was also much much lower before.</quote> out of pocket costs certainly have gone up, but they were already so high as to not be feasible for anyone except healthy people seeing a family doctor once a year</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balkov 05/15/17 8:09:47 PM #76:	I remember a few years back, folks paying $1,500+ per month for an average family plan. Which is roughly the cost of a mortgage where I live. <cite>Balkov posted [p:879167835] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote>I remember a few years back, folks paying $1,500+ per month for an average family plan. Which is roughly the cost of a mortgage where I live.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 05/15/17 8:10:41 PM #77:	Sir Will posted... Clad posted... No. It's exaggerated, just like the gun violence is. No, on both counts. the probability of being in a mass shooting is essentially zero. youre much more likely to die from a car crash. equally as likely to die from an islamic terror attack. <cite>Clad posted [p:879167888] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sir Will posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>No. It's exaggerated, just like the gun violence is.</quote> No, on both counts.</quote> the probability of being in a mass shooting is essentially zero. youre much more likely to die from a car crash. equally as likely to die from an islamic terror attack.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 05/15/17 8:17:03 PM #78:	Darkman124 posted... Clad posted... Darkman124 posted... the average cost per person for insurance on people in the high risk pool when obamacare was transitioning people over was 32,000/year before that the cost was "fuck off" the cost of paying the doc for cash and buying meds with cash was also much much lower before. out of pocket costs certainly have gone up, but they were already so high as to not be feasible for anyone except healthy people seeing a family doctor once a year before, it cost me $70 to see my doctor and $30 to buy ear drops. all without insurance. then after the aca it became $300 to see my doctor and $70 for the same exact ear drops. these situations arent uncommon. it was better when i didnt have to pay hundreds a month AND more to see the doc or get my ear drops. (my current employer pays my insurance in full but previously i was having to pay $300 a month for something that covers nothing) <cite>Clad posted [p:879168267] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>the average cost per person for insurance on people in the high risk pool when obamacare was transitioning people over was 32,000/year before that the cost was "fuck off"</quote> the cost of paying the doc for cash and buying meds with cash was also much much lower before.</quote> out of pocket costs certainly have gone up, but they were already so high as to not be feasible for anyone except healthy people seeing a family doctor once a year</quote> before, it cost me $70 to see my doctor and $30 to buy ear drops. all without insurance. then after the aca it became $300 to see my doctor and $70 for the same exact ear drops. these situations arent uncommon. it was better when i didnt have to pay hundreds a month AND more to see the doc or get my ear drops. (my current employer pays my insurance in full but previously i was having to pay $300 a month for something that covers nothing)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 05/15/17 8:18:56 PM #79:	also some doctors stopped taking patients who are self-pay. because of the aca. basically, every leftist attempt to make healthcare better has made it worse and stifled progress. it makes no sense to think they just need another crack at it to get it right this time. im skeptical. <cite>Clad posted [p:879168359] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote>also some doctors stopped taking patients who are self-pay. because of the aca. basically, every leftist attempt to make healthcare better has made it worse and stifled progress. it makes no sense to think they just need another crack at it to get it right this time. im skeptical.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/15/17 8:21:59 PM #80:	We're supposed to remove all the rules and hope robots can take over the world before too many people die from lack of health insurance. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:879168538] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote>We're supposed to remove all the rules and hope robots can take over the world before too many people die from lack of health insurance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 05/15/17 8:23:55 PM #81:	Clad posted... also some doctors stopped taking patients who are self-pay. because of the aca. basically, every leftist attempt to make healthcare better has made it worse and stifled progress. it makes no sense to think they just need another crack at it to get it right this time. im skeptical. Are you a proud Clad? --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:879168644] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>also some doctors stopped taking patients who are self-pay. because of the aca. basically, every leftist attempt to make healthcare better has made it worse and stifled progress. it makes no sense to think they just need another crack at it to get it right this time. im skeptical.</quote> Are you a proud Clad?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 05/15/17 8:30:09 PM #82:	MutantJohn posted... Clad posted... also some doctors stopped taking patients who are self-pay. because of the aca. basically, every leftist attempt to make healthcare better has made it worse and stifled progress. it makes no sense to think they just need another crack at it to get it right this time. im skeptical. Are you a proud Clad? the proud part got crushed by life ;_; <cite>Clad posted [p:879169034] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>MutantJohn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>also some doctors stopped taking patients who are self-pay. because of the aca. basically, every leftist attempt to make healthcare better has made it worse and stifled progress. it makes no sense to think they just need another crack at it to get it right this time. im skeptical.</quote> Are you a proud Clad?</quote> the proud part got crushed by life ;_;</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Will 05/15/17 8:38:01 PM #83:	Clad posted... before, it cost me $70 to see my doctor and $30 to buy ear drops. all without insurance. then after the aca it became $300 to see my doctor and $70 for the same exact ear drops. Bullshit. --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:879169563] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>before, it cost me $70 to see my doctor and $30 to buy ear drops. all without insurance. then after the aca it became $300 to see my doctor and $70 for the same exact ear drops.</quote> Bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Will 05/15/17 8:38:41 PM #84:	Clad posted... equally as likely to die from an islamic terror attack. Um, no. --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:879169608] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>equally as likely to die from an islamic terror attack.</quote> Um, no.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clad 05/16/17 12:54:03 AM #85:	Sir Will posted... Clad posted... before, it cost me $70 to see my doctor and $30 to buy ear drops. all without insurance. then after the aca it became $300 to see my doctor and $70 for the same exact ear drops. Bullshit. it's true. Sir Will posted... Clad posted... equally as likely to die from an islamic terror attack. Um, no. it's true as well. <cite>Clad posted [p:879184390] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sir Will posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>before, it cost me $70 to see my doctor and $30 to buy ear drops. all without insurance. then after the aca it became $300 to see my doctor and $70 for the same exact ear drops.</quote> Bullshit.</quote> it's true. <cite>Sir Will posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>equally as likely to die from an islamic terror attack.</quote> Um, no.</quote> it's true as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 05/16/17 12:57:44 AM #86:	Clad posted... Sir Will posted... Clad posted... No. It's exaggerated, just like the gun violence is. No, on both counts. the probability of being in a mass shooting is essentially zero. youre much more likely to die from a car crash. equally as likely to die from an islamic terror attack. He didn't say mass shooting. What a weird way to deflect. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:879184540] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sir Will posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>No. It's exaggerated, just like the gun violence is.</quote> No, on both counts.</quote> the probability of being in a mass shooting is essentially zero. youre much more likely to die from a car crash. equally as likely to die from an islamic terror attack.</quote> He didn't say mass shooting. What a weird way to deflect.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
loafy013 05/16/17 1:03:53 AM #87:	Broseph_Stalin posted... REMercsChamp posted... Funny, because my "health care plan" is simply taking care of myself and not getting sick. $0 for that insurance premium. But keep eating your triple bacon deluxe from Wendy's and then running to the ER. is this a real post A lot of people actually do think like this. They feel anything bad health related is all the person's fault. It is like accidents that might result in a broken arm or leg don't exist. Or being born with health issues isn't a real thing. --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. <cite>loafy013 posted [p:879184793] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Funny, because my "health care plan" is simply taking care of myself and not getting sick. $0 for that insurance premium. But keep eating your triple bacon deluxe from Wendy's and then running to the ER.</quote> is this a real post</quote> A lot of people actually do think like this. They feel anything bad health related is all the person's fault. It is like accidents that might result in a broken arm or leg don't exist. Or being born with health issues isn't a real thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 05/16/17 1:10:54 AM #88:	i guess i should've pulled myself by my bootstraps to not be born with lazy eye and have asthma lmaooo thanks for the advice mercschamp --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:879185070] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote>i guess i should've pulled myself by my bootstraps to not be born with lazy eye and have asthma lmaooo thanks for the advice mercschamp</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BallerXRosetta- 05/16/17 1:18:20 AM #89:	Garioshi posted... spanky1 posted... It's worse than people say it is imo. --- https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/profile/arigreenwood98 http://i.imgtc.com/CeV2MSV.jpg <cite>BallerXRosetta- posted [p:879185343] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spanky1 posted...</cite> <quote>It's worse than people say it is imo.</quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Clad 05/16/17 1:32:50 AM #91:	Darmik posted... Clad posted... Sir Will posted... Clad posted... No. It's exaggerated, just like the gun violence is. No, on both counts. the probability of being in a mass shooting is essentially zero. youre much more likely to die from a car crash. equally as likely to die from an islamic terror attack. He didn't say mass shooting. What a weird way to deflect. The vast majority of shootings are gangsters/criminals shooting one another. IE not involving innocent people. Looking at mass shootings is the meaningful way to frame the discussion of gun violence. <cite>Clad posted [p:879185824] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sir Will posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote>No. It's exaggerated, just like the gun violence is.</quote> No, on both counts.</quote> the probability of being in a mass shooting is essentially zero. youre much more likely to die from a car crash. equally as likely to die from an islamic terror attack.</quote> He didn't say mass shooting. What a weird way to deflect.</quote> The vast majority of shootings are gangsters/criminals shooting one another. IE not involving innocent people. Looking at mass shootings is the meaningful way to frame the discussion of gun violence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 05/16/17 1:36:06 AM #92:	fenderbender321 posted... Why don't they just take away my health insurance now then? Because you're already basically working there for what you have right now. The point is that whenever you leave it up to the employer to choose like that, they can choose not to do it. There should never be this weird thing where we just throw healthcare money on the table and be like, "Well you can decide not to choose to pay this towards healthcare if you want" <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:879185935] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>Why don't they just take away my health insurance now then? </quote> Because you're already basically working there for what you have right now. The point is that whenever you leave it up to the employer to choose like that, they can choose not to do it. There should never be this weird thing where we just throw healthcare money on the table and be like, "Well you can decide not to choose to pay this towards healthcare if you want"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 05/16/17 1:39:30 AM #93:	Clad posted... MutantJohn posted... Clad posted... also some doctors stopped taking patients who are self-pay. because of the aca. basically, every leftist attempt to make healthcare better has made it worse and stifled progress. it makes no sense to think they just need another crack at it to get it right this time. im skeptical. Are you a proud Clad? the proud part got crushed by life ;_; Dude, don't I know it. We gotta keep strong. --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:879186044] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MutantJohn posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Clad posted...</cite> <quote> also some doctors stopped taking patients who are self-pay. because of the aca. basically, every leftist attempt to make healthcare better has made it worse and stifled progress. it makes no sense to think they just need another crack at it to get it right this time. im skeptical. </quote> Are you a proud Clad?</quote> the proud part got crushed by life ;_;</quote> Dude, don't I know it. We gotta keep strong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RockRapDubstep 05/18/17 6:48:28 AM #94:	Damn, didn't realize it was so bad. --- in response to how much CJayC made selling GameFAQs Rumor has it that CBS put his money on a train and he's having trouble following it - Tropicalwood <cite>RockRapDubstep posted [p:879327404] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote>Damn, didn't realize it was so bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wah_wah_wah 05/19/17 11:14:56 AM #96:	M_Live posted... I got hit by a car when I was in high school and the insurance refused to cover it because it was vehicle-related, and the person who hit me couldn't cover it because it was a hit and run and they didn't find them, and the hospital sued my parents for a few grand because they couldn't pay it out of pocket, I wasn't even severely hurt just sore, they basically just examined me and gave me crutches that I needed for like 2 days. Plus the ambulance ride that I didn't even want to take. That's another thing that is pretty fucked up about our healthcare system. They'll force you to get it even if you don't want it, then charge you out the ass later for something you didn't even want to do. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:879405180] in Is the cos... [t:75348552]...</cite> <quote><cite>M_Live posted...</cite> <quote>I got hit by a car when I was in high school and the insurance refused to cover it because it was vehicle-related, and the person who hit me couldn't cover it because it was a hit and run and they didn't find them, and the hospital sued my parents for a few grand because they couldn't pay it out of pocket, I wasn't even severely hurt just sore, they basically just examined me and gave me crutches that I needed for like 2 days. Plus the ambulance ride that I didn't even want to take.</quote> That's another thing that is pretty fucked up about our healthcare system. They'll force you to get it even if you don't want it, then charge you out the ass later for something you didn't even want to do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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