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Another_Voice 05/14/17 1:10:14 AM #1:	Asking for a friend <cite>Another_Voice posted [p:879064236] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote>Asking for a friend</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 05/14/17 1:11:30 AM #2:	Nuance. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:879064315] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote>Nuance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
weapon_d00d816 05/14/17 1:13:37 AM #3:	Because there aren't any? --- SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG <cite>weapon_d00d816 posted [p:879064409] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote>Because there aren't any?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rikiaz 05/14/17 1:16:13 AM #4:	weapon_d00d816 posted... Because there aren't any? This. Morality is a man made abstract construct. --- From the depths, the thing they called Worm King did rise. Nirn itself did scream in the Mages' and Necromancers' war. <cite>Rikiaz posted [p:879064530] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote><cite>weapon_d00d816 posted...</cite> <quote>Because there aren't any?</quote> This. Morality is a man made abstract construct.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 05/14/17 1:37:10 AM #5:	The better question is why do theists think a "clearly defined" and prescribed "morality" dictated by a god is better? --- PSN: kazukifafner <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:879065435] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote>The better question is why do theists think a "clearly defined" and prescribed "morality" dictated by a god is better?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mystere 05/14/17 1:39:47 AM #6:	Dragonblade01 posted... The better question is why do theists think a "clearly defined" and prescribed "morality" dictated by a god is better? It prevents them from having to think. That's a big part of what God is for. <cite>Mystere posted [p:879065542] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The better question is why do theists think a "clearly defined" and prescribed "morality" dictated by a god is better?</quote> It prevents them from having to think. That's a big part of what God is for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcanine2009 05/14/17 1:51:52 AM #7:	morality is pretty subjective, and differs by culture especially. Though we got most of our morals from religion. But we're at the point where the golden rule is something we should ideally follow, without overly religious morals. --- Less is more. Everything you want, isn't everything you need. <cite>Arcanine2009 posted [p:879066006] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote>morality is pretty subjective, and differs by culture especially. Though we got most of our morals from religion. But we're at the point where the golden rule is something we should ideally follow, without overly religious morals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 05/14/17 1:53:23 AM #8:	because morality is subjective --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:879066060] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote>because morality is subjective</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Another_Voice 05/14/17 1:53:47 AM #9:	morality is pretty subjective Stopped reading, murder is universally despised <cite>Another_Voice posted [p:879066073] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote>morality is pretty subjective Stopped reading, murder is universally despised</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Complete_Idi0t 05/14/17 1:54:32 AM #10:	Why do Christians think that turning a woman to salt for the crime of looking behind her is fair and just? <cite>Complete_Idi0t posted [p:879066091] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote>Why do Christians think that turning a woman to salt for the crime of looking behind her is fair and just?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zero_Destroyer 05/14/17 1:56:06 AM #12:	Another_Voice posted... Stopped reading, murder is universally despised Not true at all, especially when it's redefined. Death for apostasy has been common throughout history, and many would consider that to be murder - but many consider it just. --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:879066145] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Another_Voice posted...</cite> <quote> Stopped reading, murder is universally despised</quote> Not true at all, especially when it's redefined. Death for apostasy has been common throughout history, and many would consider that to be murder - but many consider it just.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 05/14/17 1:56:07 AM #13:	Another_Voice posted... Stopped reading, murder is universally despised No it isn't. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:879066147] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Another_Voice posted...</cite> <quote>Stopped reading, murder is universally despised</quote> No it isn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 05/14/17 1:57:20 AM #14:	Another_Voice posted... morality is pretty subjective Stopped reading, murder is universally despised Yet countries have fought wars with each other which have involved killing each other. Religion gives a good starter point with general rules to follow, but life is more complicated than the rules. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:879066187] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Another_Voice posted...</cite> <quote>morality is pretty subjective Stopped reading, murder is universally despised</quote> Yet countries have fought wars with each other which have involved killing each other. Religion gives a good starter point with general rules to follow, but life is more complicated than the rules.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 05/14/17 1:58:42 AM #15:	Tmaster148 posted... Another_Voice posted... morality is pretty subjective Stopped reading, murder is universally despised Yet countries have fought wars with each other which have involved killing each other. Religion gives a good starter point with general rules to follow, but life is more complicated than the rules. You don't have to bring up wars. Some cultures encourage and support honor killing. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:879066234] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Another_Voice posted...</cite> <quote>morality is pretty subjective Stopped reading, murder is universally despised</quote> Yet countries have fought wars with each other which have involved killing each other. Religion gives a good starter point with general rules to follow, but life is more complicated than the rules.</quote> You don't have to bring up wars. Some cultures encourage and support honor killing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Another_Voice 05/14/17 2:04:30 AM #16:	To clarify for everyone quoting, murder without "justification" is bad everywhere, objective morality exists without any religious connotation <cite>Another_Voice posted [p:879066438] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote>To clarify for everyone quoting, murder without "justification" is bad everywhere, objective morality exists without any religious connotation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 05/14/17 2:05:45 AM #17:	Another_Voice posted... murder without "justification" is bad everywhere, objective morality exists without any religious connotation So what you're saying is your topic title is complete horse shit? --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:879066480] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Another_Voice posted...</cite> <quote>murder without "justification" is bad everywhere, objective morality exists without any religious connotation</quote> So what you're saying is your topic title is complete horse shit?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Complete_Idi0t 05/14/17 2:05:49 AM #18:	Every single person who has murdered someone else has had their own justification for it <cite>Complete_Idi0t posted [p:879066483] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote>Every single person who has murdered someone else has had their own justification for it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forlorn_Ass 05/14/17 2:06:55 AM #19:	morality is %100 subjective --- Her cheeks wobble around like water balloons on a trampoline. <cite>Forlorn_Ass posted [p:879066510] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote>morality is %100 subjective</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 05/14/17 2:09:17 AM #20:	Everyone agreeing on something doesn't mean it's objective. Everyone can think puppies are cute, but "puppies are cute" is a subjective statement. It doesn't become less subjective just because everyone holds the same subjective opinion. At best you can have certain objective criteria by which you choose to determine morality. However, the decision to follow such a criteria is a subjective one. The majority of our seemingly "universal" morals came as a natural byproduct of surviving as a society. As it turns out, societies that let its population freely kill one another don't tend to last super long in the grand scheme of things. --- PSN: kazukifafner <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:879066607] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote>Everyone agreeing on something doesn't mean it's objective. Everyone can think puppies are cute, but "puppies are cute" is a subjective statement. It doesn't become less subjective just because everyone holds the same subjective opinion. At best you can have certain objective criteria by which you choose to determine morality. However, the decision to follow such a criteria is a subjective one. The majority of our seemingly "universal" morals came as a natural byproduct of surviving as a society. As it turns out, societies that let its population freely kill one another don't tend to last super long in the grand scheme of things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Soviet_Poland 05/14/17 2:10:03 AM #21:	Morality isn't entirely subjective. A lot of secular philosophical work touches on ethics and morality, and it doesn't have to be rooted in religiosity. Autonomy, beneficence, non-maleficence, justice as principles. Things like the categorical imperative vs utilitarian outcomes. Etc, etc. --- "He has two neurons held together by a spirochete." <cite>Soviet_Poland posted [p:879066634] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote>Morality isn't entirely subjective. A lot of secular philosophical work touches on ethics and morality, and it doesn't have to be rooted in religiosity. Autonomy, beneficence, non-maleficence, justice as principles. Things like the categorical imperative vs utilitarian outcomes. Etc, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Microwaved_Eggs 05/14/17 2:10:17 AM #22:	Complete_Idi0t posted... Every single person who has murdered someone else has had their own justification for it weak username to post ratio --- "Everyone gets moody during prolonged cloudiness." - stone <cite>Microwaved_Eggs posted [p:879066645] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Complete_Idi0t posted...</cite> <quote>Every single person who has murdered someone else has had their own justification for it</quote> weak username to post ratio</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Another_Voice 05/14/17 2:35:18 AM #23:	ChromaticAngel posted... Another_Voice posted... murder without "justification" is bad everywhere, objective morality exists without any religious connotation So what you're saying is your topic title is complete horse shit? Not saying you're wrong, but please explain that to me <cite>Another_Voice posted [p:879067490] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Another_Voice posted...</cite> <quote>murder without "justification" is bad everywhere, objective morality exists without any religious connotation</quote> So what you're saying is your topic title is complete horse shit?</quote> Not saying you're wrong, but please explain that to me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
donkeyjack 05/14/17 3:50:14 AM #24:	So killing 100 persons to save the human population is immoral? --- FFVII isn't top 50 today LMAO. FFVI and CT are THE G.O.A.T. http://imgur.com/tyElXOs http://imgur.com/Mxpx3aN <cite>donkeyjack posted [p:879069821] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote>So killing 100 persons to save the human population is immoral?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 05/14/17 3:57:29 AM #25:	Another_Voice posted... ChromaticAngel posted... Another_Voice posted... murder without "justification" is bad everywhere, objective morality exists without any religious connotation So what you're saying is your topic title is complete horse shit? Not saying you're wrong, but please explain that to me Topic title says atheists can't clearly define right and wrong, bolded quote contradicts that. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:879069971] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Another_Voice posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Another_Voice posted...</cite> <quote>murder without "justification" is bad everywhere, objective morality exists without any religious connotation</quote> So what you're saying is your topic title is complete horse shit?</quote> Not saying you're wrong, but please explain that to me</quote> Topic title says atheists can't clearly define right and wrong, bolded quote contradicts that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Dream87 05/14/17 8:47:50 AM #26:	You really need an objective framework to determine right and wrong. Sometimes that frame is set by God/Religion, sometimes it's simply philosophy. IMO, there's no clear definition for morality. Too many perspectives, and not enough evidence to say one is ultimately superior than another. --- http://i.imgur.com/ymmqXXN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5iNwXbV.png http://i.imgur.com/HSriaa3.gif http://i.imgur.com/xphiy45.gifv <cite>Blue_Dream87 posted [p:879075814] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote>You really need an objective framework to determine right and wrong. Sometimes that frame is set by God/Religion, sometimes it's simply philosophy. IMO, there's no clear definition for morality. Too many perspectives, and not enough evidence to say one is ultimately superior than another.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
alt_no_1_loves 05/14/17 8:48:49 AM #27:	Says who? --- sig poll: buzz cola or duff beer 0 - 1 thus far (after like 2 years) <cite>alt_no_1_loves posted [p:879075847] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote>Says who?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 05/14/17 8:53:09 AM #28:	Blue_Dream87 posted... You really need an objective framework to determine right and wrong. Sometimes that frame is set by God/Religion, sometimes it's simply philosophy. IMO, there's no clear definition for morality. Too many perspectives, and not enough evidence to say one is ultimately superior than another. I'm a firm believer in The Golden Rule as objective morality. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:879075982] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Dream87 posted...</cite> <quote>You really need an objective framework to determine right and wrong. Sometimes that frame is set by God/Religion, sometimes it's simply philosophy. IMO, there's no clear definition for morality. Too many perspectives, and not enough evidence to say one is ultimately superior than another.</quote> I'm a firm believer in The Golden Rule as objective morality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Dream87 05/14/17 5:37:50 PM #29:	ChromaticAngel posted... Blue_Dream87 posted... You really need an objective framework to determine right and wrong. Sometimes that frame is set by God/Religion, sometimes it's simply philosophy. IMO, there's no clear definition for morality. Too many perspectives, and not enough evidence to say one is ultimately superior than another. I'm a firm believer in The Golden Rule as objective morality. But what is it that makes it objective? That's the main problem. Is it simply because so many cultures share it? --- http://i.imgur.com/ymmqXXN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5iNwXbV.png http://i.imgur.com/HSriaa3.gif http://i.imgur.com/xphiy45.gifv <cite>Blue_Dream87 posted [p:879099023] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Dream87 posted...</cite> <quote>You really need an objective framework to determine right and wrong. Sometimes that frame is set by God/Religion, sometimes it's simply philosophy. IMO, there's no clear definition for morality. Too many perspectives, and not enough evidence to say one is ultimately superior than another.</quote> I'm a firm believer in The Golden Rule as objective morality.</quote> But what is it that makes it objective? That's the main problem. Is it simply because so many cultures share it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 05/14/17 5:40:49 PM #30:	Blue_Dream87 posted... ChromaticAngel posted... Blue_Dream87 posted... You really need an objective framework to determine right and wrong. Sometimes that frame is set by God/Religion, sometimes it's simply philosophy. IMO, there's no clear definition for morality. Too many perspectives, and not enough evidence to say one is ultimately superior than another. I'm a firm believer in The Golden Rule as objective morality. But what is it that makes it objective? That's the main problem. Is it simply because so many cultures share it? It's objective because of its uncompromising equality in how it decides we should treat one another. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:879099192] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Dream87 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Dream87 posted...</cite> <quote>You really need an objective framework to determine right and wrong. Sometimes that frame is set by God/Religion, sometimes it's simply philosophy. IMO, there's no clear definition for morality. Too many perspectives, and not enough evidence to say one is ultimately superior than another.</quote> I'm a firm believer in The Golden Rule as objective morality.</quote> But what is it that makes it objective? That's the main problem. Is it simply because so many cultures share it?</quote> It's objective because of its uncompromising equality in how it decides we should treat one another.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/14/17 5:46:25 PM #31:	Another_Voice posted... To clarify for everyone quoting, murder without "justification" is bad everywhere, objective morality exists without any religious connotation Bad everywhere meaning what? <cite>JE19426 posted [p:879099490] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Another_Voice posted...</cite> <quote>To clarify for everyone quoting, murder without "justification" is bad everywhere, objective morality exists without any religious connotation</quote> Bad everywhere meaning what?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 05/15/17 1:44:18 AM #32:	JE19426 posted... Another_Voice posted... To clarify for everyone quoting, murder without "justification" is bad everywhere, objective morality exists without any religious connotation Bad everywhere meaning what? "Justification" meaning what, additionally? --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:879122212] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Another_Voice posted...</cite> <quote>To clarify for everyone quoting, murder without "justification" is bad everywhere, objective morality exists without any religious connotation</quote> Bad everywhere meaning what?</quote> "Justification" meaning what, additionally?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 05/15/17 1:48:33 AM #33:	ChromaticAngel posted... It's objective because of its uncompromising equality in how it decides we should treat one another. It's an objective metric, but the decision to apply such a metric is still subjective. As is the act of creating and/or utilizing a moral system at all. --- PSN: kazukifafner <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:879122354] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote>It's objective because of its uncompromising equality in how it decides we should treat one another.</quote> It's an objective metric, but the decision to apply such a metric is still subjective. As is the act of creating and/or utilizing a moral system at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 05/15/17 2:14:29 AM #34:	I can. I'm an atheist. Here are three categories right here; Right; Not killing people, not depriving people of rights I have, not destroying my community. Wrong; The opposite. Everything in between <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:879123265] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote>I can. I'm an atheist. Here are three categories right here; Right; Not killing people, not depriving people of rights I have, not destroying my community. Wrong; The opposite. Everything in between</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 05/15/17 4:22:21 PM #35:	Zero_Destroyer posted... because morality is subjective --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:879154387] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>because morality is subjective</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 05/15/17 5:15:45 PM #36:	Dragonblade01 posted... It's an objective metric No, it's a metric. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:879157449] in Why can't ... [t:75343962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>It's an objective metric</quote> No, it's a metric.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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