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GreatEvilEmpire 05/10/17 8:14:48 PM #1:	The (reported) unemployment rate is the lowest in years. Automation hasn't taken many jobs. In fact, automation has created jobs over the last few decades. In our imaginary world, technology advance faster than in reality. Movies give people a false impression of what the future is like. The day when automation actually start taking jobs instead of creating is probably still many decades away. There is no immediate threat from automation, just a bunch of fear mongering. That and people coming up with any reason to get free money. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:878858721] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote>The (reported) unemployment rate is the lowest in years. Automation hasn't taken many jobs. In fact, automation has created jobs over the last few decades. In our imaginary world, technology advance faster than in reality. Movies give people a false impression of what the future is like. The day when automation actually start taking jobs instead of creating is probably still many decades away. There is no immediate threat from automation, just a bunch of fear mongering. That and people coming up with any reason to get free money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CrimsonAngeI 05/10/17 8:16:29 PM #2:	k --- Why am I here? <cite>CrimsonAngeI posted [p:878858813] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote>k</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 05/10/17 8:16:32 PM #3:	Why not both? People get free money, and society doesn't collapse once automation does take everything <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:878858817] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote>Why not both? People get free money, and society doesn't collapse once automation does take everything</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
D-Lo_BrownTown 05/10/17 8:16:51 PM #4:	Thought this was about Ubisoft for a second. --- http://i.imgur.com/DKL8I5X.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/3XrMwRd.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/DJ9SEeJ.jpg <cite>D-Lo_BrownTown posted [p:878858837] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote>Thought this was about Ubisoft for a second.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/10/17 8:17:21 PM #5:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Why not both? People get free money, and society doesn't collapse once automation does take everything If you want money go get a job. --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878858871] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Why not both? People get free money, and society doesn't collapse once automation does take everything</quote> If you want money go get a job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 05/10/17 8:19:21 PM #6:	meingott posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Why not both? People get free money, and society doesn't collapse once automation does take everything If you want money go get a job. I have a job. This way I'd get job money AND government money <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:878858975] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Why not both? People get free money, and society doesn't collapse once automation does take everything</quote> If you want money go get a job.</quote> I have a job. This way I'd get job money AND government money</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 05/10/17 8:20:49 PM #7:	Darklit_Minuet posted... meingott posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Why not both? People get free money, and society doesn't collapse once automation does take everything If you want money go get a job. I have a job. This way I'd get job money AND government money No, you don't. They have to tax you more to pay you government money. For many people, they get nothing or go into the negative. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:878859070] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Why not both? People get free money, and society doesn't collapse once automation does take everything</quote> If you want money go get a job.</quote> I have a job. This way I'd get job money AND government money</quote> No, you don't. They have to tax you more to pay you government money. For many people, they get nothing or go into the negative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 05/10/17 8:21:38 PM #8:	GreatEvilEmpire posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... meingott posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Why not both? People get free money, and society doesn't collapse once automation does take everything If you want money go get a job. I have a job. This way I'd get job money AND government money No, you don't. They have to tax you more to pay you government money. For many people, they get nothing or go into the negative. That's fine. Since I'm not rich as fuck, the tax I'd pay would be smaller than the UBI I'd be receiving <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:878859118] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Why not both? People get free money, and society doesn't collapse once automation does take everything</quote> If you want money go get a job.</quote> I have a job. This way I'd get job money AND government money</quote> No, you don't. They have to tax you more to pay you government money. For many people, they get nothing or go into the negative.</quote> That's fine. Since I'm not rich as fuck, the tax I'd pay would be smaller than the UBI I'd be receiving</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
booboy 05/10/17 8:24:28 PM #9:	If UBI was in place, I'd keep my day job while investing UBI money into a startup "out of the garage" machining business. --- There is no problem that can't be solved by applying more yuri to it. In Torque We Trust <cite>booboy posted [p:878859298] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote>If UBI was in place, I'd keep my day job while investing UBI money into a startup "out of the garage" machining business.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 05/10/17 8:24:47 PM #10:	Darklit_Minuet posted... That's fine. Since I'm not rich as f*, the tax I'd pay would be smaller than the UBI I'd be receiving That's not fine for many people. It may be fine for you now, but when you start to make more money, you'll start paying more taxes. In the long run, you'll end up losing a lot more money than you gain from UBI if you keep advancing in your job. People want short term gratification, but fail to see the long term consequences. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:878859318] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>That's fine. Since I'm not rich as f*, the tax I'd pay would be smaller than the UBI I'd be receiving</quote> That's not fine for many people. It may be fine for you now, but when you start to make more money, you'll start paying more taxes. In the long run, you'll end up losing a lot more money than you gain from UBI if you keep advancing in your job. People want short term gratification, but fail to see the long term consequences.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 05/10/17 8:25:15 PM #11:	GreatEvilEmpire posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... That's fine. Since I'm not rich as f*, the tax I'd pay would be smaller than the UBI I'd be receiving That's not fine for many people. It may be fine for you now, but when you start to make more money, you'll start paying more taxes. In the long run, you'll end up losing a lot more money than you gain from UBI if you keep advancing in your job. People want short term gratification, but fail to see the long term consequences. But I don't ever plan to start earning that much money, with a UBI I'd be comfortable to work for minimum wage <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:878859343] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>That's fine. Since I'm not rich as f*, the tax I'd pay would be smaller than the UBI I'd be receiving</quote> That's not fine for many people. It may be fine for you now, but when you start to make more money, you'll start paying more taxes. In the long run, you'll end up losing a lot more money than you gain from UBI if you keep advancing in your job. People want short term gratification, but fail to see the long term consequences.</quote> But I don't ever plan to start earning that much money, with a UBI I'd be comfortable to work for minimum wage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/10/17 8:26:43 PM #12:	Darklit_Minuet posted... GreatEvilEmpire posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... meingott posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Why not both? People get free money, and society doesn't collapse once automation does take everything If you want money go get a job. I have a job. This way I'd get job money AND government money No, you don't. They have to tax you more to pay you government money. For many people, they get nothing or go into the negative. That's fine. Since I'm not rich as fuck, the tax I'd pay would be smaller than the UBI I'd be receiving So basically you're saying "fuck you, I want mine" --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878859423] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Why not both? People get free money, and society doesn't collapse once automation does take everything</quote> If you want money go get a job.</quote> I have a job. This way I'd get job money AND government money</quote> No, you don't. They have to tax you more to pay you government money. For many people, they get nothing or go into the negative.</quote> That's fine. Since I'm not rich as fuck, the tax I'd pay would be smaller than the UBI I'd be receiving</quote> So basically you're saying "fuck you, I want mine"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 05/10/17 8:27:15 PM #13:	If having a UBI is a more efficient way to handle welfare, that should be the reason people are for it. Not saying it is or isn't, I don't know . --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:878859468] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote>If having a UBI is a more efficient way to handle welfare, that should be the reason people are for it. Not saying it is or isn't, I don't know .</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 05/10/17 8:27:58 PM #14:	meingott posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... GreatEvilEmpire posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... meingott posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Why not both? People get free money, and society doesn't collapse once automation does take everything If you want money go get a job. I have a job. This way I'd get job money AND government money No, you don't. They have to tax you more to pay you government money. For many people, they get nothing or go into the negative. That's fine. Since I'm not rich as fuck, the tax I'd pay would be smaller than the UBI I'd be receiving So basically you're saying "fuck you, I want mine" I'm saying fuck the rich, I want everyone on a more equal level and a happier society. Consider the fact that the majority of crime is from a lack of money. Give them money, they'll no longer need to sell drugs or their own bodies to make a living. <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:878859518] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Why not both? People get free money, and society doesn't collapse once automation does take everything</quote> If you want money go get a job.</quote> I have a job. This way I'd get job money AND government money</quote> No, you don't. They have to tax you more to pay you government money. For many people, they get nothing or go into the negative.</quote> That's fine. Since I'm not rich as fuck, the tax I'd pay would be smaller than the UBI I'd be receiving</quote> So basically you're saying "fuck you, I want mine"</quote> I'm saying fuck the rich, I want everyone on a more equal level and a happier society. Consider the fact that the majority of crime is from a lack of money. Give them money, they'll no longer need to sell drugs or their own bodies to make a living.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 05/10/17 8:28:26 PM #15:	Darklit_Minuet posted... GreatEvilEmpire posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... That's fine. Since I'm not rich as f*, the tax I'd pay would be smaller than the UBI I'd be receiving That's not fine for many people. It may be fine for you now, but when you start to make more money, you'll start paying more taxes. In the long run, you'll end up losing a lot more money than you gain from UBI if you keep advancing in your job. People want short term gratification, but fail to see the long term consequences. But I don't ever plan to start earning that much money, with a UBI I'd be comfortable to work for minimum wage You just proved what could happened to people when they start receiving UBI. They lose ambition and start getting lazy, while leeching off of the productive people in society. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:878859550] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>That's fine. Since I'm not rich as f*, the tax I'd pay would be smaller than the UBI I'd be receiving</quote> That's not fine for many people. It may be fine for you now, but when you start to make more money, you'll start paying more taxes. In the long run, you'll end up losing a lot more money than you gain from UBI if you keep advancing in your job. People want short term gratification, but fail to see the long term consequences.</quote> But I don't ever plan to start earning that much money, with a UBI I'd be comfortable to work for minimum wage</quote> You just proved what could happened to people when they start receiving UBI. They lose ambition and start getting lazy, while leeching off of the productive people in society.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/10/17 8:30:33 PM #16:	Darklit_Minuet posted... meingott posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... GreatEvilEmpire posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... meingott posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Why not both? People get free money, and society doesn't collapse once automation does take everything If you want money go get a job. I have a job. This way I'd get job money AND government money No, you don't. They have to tax you more to pay you government money. For many people, they get nothing or go into the negative. That's fine. Since I'm not rich as fuck, the tax I'd pay would be smaller than the UBI I'd be receiving So basically you're saying "fuck you, I want mine" I'm saying fuck the rich, I want everyone on a more equal level and a happier society. Consider the fact that the majority of crime is from a lack of money. Give them money, they'll no longer need to sell drugs or their own bodies to make a living. They don't sell drugs or their bodies for lack of a living - they do it because they want to become rich and working for $12 isn't enough for them. And you literally were saying "fuck you I want mine" --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878859673] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Why not both? People get free money, and society doesn't collapse once automation does take everything</quote> If you want money go get a job.</quote> I have a job. This way I'd get job money AND government money</quote> No, you don't. They have to tax you more to pay you government money. For many people, they get nothing or go into the negative.</quote> That's fine. Since I'm not rich as fuck, the tax I'd pay would be smaller than the UBI I'd be receiving</quote> So basically you're saying "fuck you, I want mine"</quote> I'm saying fuck the rich, I want everyone on a more equal level and a happier society. Consider the fact that the majority of crime is from a lack of money. Give them money, they'll no longer need to sell drugs or their own bodies to make a living.</quote> They don't sell drugs or their bodies for lack of a living - they do it because they want to become rich and working for $12 isn't enough for them. And you literally were saying "fuck you I want mine"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/10/17 8:30:56 PM #17:	Wait a second isn't Darklit_Minuet that shitposting alt that said anyone making $80,000 a year is rich or some shit --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878859697] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote>Wait a second isn't Darklit_Minuet that shitposting alt that said anyone making $80,000 a year is rich or some shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/10/17 8:31:24 PM #18:	"Because they want money" is a perfectly legitimate reason to support a policy --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:878859732] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote>"Because they want money" is a perfectly legitimate reason to support a policy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/10/17 8:31:49 PM #19:	Antifar posted... "Because they want money" is a perfectly legitimate reason to support a policy So supporting a policy for lower taxes is perfectly legitimate for the same reason? --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878859755] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>"Because they want money" is a perfectly legitimate reason to support a policy</quote> So supporting a policy for lower taxes is perfectly legitimate for the same reason?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 05/10/17 8:32:08 PM #20:	let's get @REMercsChamp in here --- http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:878859772] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote>let's get @REMercsChamp in here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 05/10/17 8:32:57 PM #21:	Darklit_Minuet posted... I'm saying f* the rich, I want everyone on a more equal level and a happier society. Consider the fact that the majority of crime is from a lack of money. Give them money, they'll no longer need to sell drugs or their own bodies to make a living. How do you know it'll be a happier society? The top 30% will be unhappy because they get taxed more and the poor will still be unhappy because they're poor. The good looking guys will still have more sex while the socially inept still get no sex. Things will never be equal no matter how you want it to be. Not sorry, but society won't be happier, just lazier. A happier society from UBI is nothing more than an idealistic myth created in the minds of the inexperienced. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:878859819] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>I'm saying f* the rich, I want everyone on a more equal level and a happier society. Consider the fact that the majority of crime is from a lack of money. Give them money, they'll no longer need to sell drugs or their own bodies to make a living.</quote> How do you know it'll be a happier society? The top 30% will be unhappy because they get taxed more and the poor will still be unhappy because they're poor. The good looking guys will still have more sex while the socially inept still get no sex. Things will never be equal no matter how you want it to be. Not sorry, but society won't be happier, just lazier. A happier society from UBI is nothing more than an idealistic myth created in the minds of the inexperienced.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/10/17 8:33:17 PM #22:	meingott posted... So supporting a policy for lower taxes is perfectly legitimate for the same reason? Yes, of course. --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:878859849] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>So supporting a policy for lower taxes is perfectly legitimate for the same reason? </quote> Yes, of course.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 05/10/17 8:46:56 PM #23:	I support UBI because it is more efficient than welfare, doesn't cause people to fall into welfare traps and it would be needed in a society where automation has put significant amount of people out of work. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:878860655] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote>I support UBI because it is more efficient than welfare, doesn't cause people to fall into welfare traps and it would be needed in a society where automation has put significant amount of people out of work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 05/10/17 9:36:12 PM #24:	GreatEvilEmpire posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... I'm saying f* the rich, I want everyone on a more equal level and a happier society. Consider the fact that the majority of crime is from a lack of money. Give them money, they'll no longer need to sell drugs or their own bodies to make a living. How do you know it'll be a happier society? The top 30% will be unhappy because they get taxed more and the poor will still be unhappy because they're poor. The good looking guys will still have more sex while the socially inept still get no sex. Things will never be equal no matter how you want it to be. Not sorry, but society won't be happier, just lazier. A happier society from UBI is nothing more than an idealistic myth created in the minds of the inexperienced. I know I'd be happy if I didn't have to worry about paying the bills. Lazy = happy <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:878863822] in People are... [t:75332881]...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>I'm saying f* the rich, I want everyone on a more equal level and a happier society. Consider the fact that the majority of crime is from a lack of money. Give them money, they'll no longer need to sell drugs or their own bodies to make a living.</quote> How do you know it'll be a happier society? The top 30% will be unhappy because they get taxed more and the poor will still be unhappy because they're poor. The good looking guys will still have more sex while the socially inept still get no sex. Things will never be equal no matter how you want it to be. Not sorry, but society won't be happier, just lazier. A happier society from UBI is nothing more than an idealistic myth created in the minds of the inexperienced.</quote> I know I'd be happy if I didn't have to worry about paying the bills. Lazy = happy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Current Events > People are supporting UBI because they want free money, not 'cause of automation