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Dustin1280 05/09/17 5:36:28 PM #51:	COVxy posted... This is what keeps you up at night? "BUT WHAT IF A MAN CAN PRETEND HE IDENTIFIES AS A WOMAN AND WIN WOMEN'S COMPETITIONS?!" Your brain is a powerful device. Use it for more productive outlets. So you aren't bothered that this could potentially put 99% of biological women in women's athletic events at a distinct disadvantage? --- Smash DS Code: 4554-0120-5368 SB4 Name: Roz RIP: Orlando of the Axe Karma: 1642 --he delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:878783005] in Serious qu... [t:75327743]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>This is what keeps you up at night? "BUT WHAT IF A MAN CAN PRETEND HE IDENTIFIES AS A WOMAN AND WIN WOMEN'S COMPETITIONS?!" Your brain is a powerful device. Use it for more productive outlets.</quote> So you aren't bothered that this could potentially put 99% of biological women in women's athletic events at a distinct disadvantage?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steve Nick 05/09/17 5:56:03 PM #52:	COVxy posted... This is what keeps you up at night? "BUT WHAT IF A MAN CAN PRETEND HE IDENTIFIES AS A WOMAN AND WIN WOMEN'S COMPETITIONS?!" Your brain is a powerful device. Use it for more productive outlets. I care about the rights of women to pursue sports. --- This is my signature. <cite>Steve Nick posted [p:878784250] in Serious qu... [t:75327743]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>This is what keeps you up at night? "BUT WHAT IF A MAN CAN PRETEND HE IDENTIFIES AS A WOMAN AND WIN WOMEN'S COMPETITIONS?!" Your brain is a powerful device. Use it for more productive outlets.</quote> I care about the rights of women to pursue sports.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 05/09/17 5:57:33 PM #53:	Dustin1280 posted... So you aren't bothered that this could potentially put 99% of biological women in women's athletic events at a distinct disadvantage? No, I'm not concerned about this ridiculously unlikely and silly possibility. Steve Nick posted... I care about the rights of women to pursue sports. You absolutely do not, and it's laughably transparent. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:878784348] in Serious qu... [t:75327743]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>So you aren't bothered that this could potentially put 99% of biological women in women's athletic events at a distinct disadvantage? </quote> No, I'm not concerned about this ridiculously unlikely and silly possibility. <cite>Steve Nick posted...</cite> <quote>I care about the rights of women to pursue sports. </quote> You absolutely do not, and it's laughably transparent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 05/09/17 5:59:40 PM #54:	COVxy posted... No, I'm not concerned about this ridiculously unlikely and silly possibility. So the trans MMA fighter and the trans weight lifter that having been demolishing the competition are "ridiculously unlikely and silly?" Or the fact that regulations have actually been LOWERED for M>F trans to compete in female athletics? This is all very unlikely and a silly concern? --- Smash DS Code: 4554-0120-5368 SB4 Name: Roz RIP: Orlando of the Axe Karma: 1642 --he delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:878784492] in Serious qu... [t:75327743]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>No, I'm not concerned about this ridiculously unlikely and silly possibility. </quote> So the trans MMA fighter and the trans weight lifter that having been demolishing the competition are "ridiculously unlikely and silly?" Or the fact that regulations have actually been LOWERED for M>F trans to compete in female athletics? This is all very unlikely and a silly concern?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steve Nick 05/09/17 6:00:44 PM #55:	COVxy posted... I care about the rights of women to pursue sports. You absolutely do not, and it's laughably transparent. Well, -you- clearly don't. I do, though. Sorry to disappoint the narrative. --- This is my signature. <cite>Steve Nick posted [p:878784560] in Serious qu... [t:75327743]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite><quote> <quote>I care about the rights of women to pursue sports. </quote> You absolutely do not, and it's laughably transparent.</quote> Well, -you- clearly don't. I do, though. Sorry to disappoint the narrative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 05/09/17 6:20:39 PM #56:	COVxy posted... No, I'm not concerned about this ridiculously unlikely and silly possibility. "Unlikely" http://usatodayhss.com/2016/transgender-track-athlete-makes-history-as-controversy-stirs-around-her https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/opponents-cry-foul-after-testosterone-fueled-girl-wins-state-wrestling-titl Just admit your bias on this issue rather than trying to pretend everyone else is being irrational. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:878785782] in Serious qu... [t:75327743]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>No, I'm not concerned about this ridiculously unlikely and silly possibility.</quote> "Unlikely" http://usatodayhss.com/2016/transgender-track-athlete-makes-history-as-controversy-stirs-around-her https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/opponents-cry-foul-after-testosterone-fueled-girl-wins-state-wrestling-titl Just admit your bias on this issue rather than trying to pretend everyone else is being irrational.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 05/09/17 6:21:48 PM #57:	That's up to the people who run the competitions and sports to decide. Decisions could be completely different for every sport. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:878785837] in Serious qu... [t:75327743]...</cite> <quote>That's up to the people who run the competitions and sports to decide. Decisions could be completely different for every sport.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 05/09/17 6:25:38 PM #58:	Neither of which constitutes what TC is saying and is along the same lines as: "What's preventing men pretending to be transgendered from sexually assaulting women in the women's bathroom?!" It's emotional rhetoric that stems from other places. In this case, it's "carefully crafted" to appeal to the other side. Otherwise known as concern trolling. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:878786048] in Serious qu... [t:75327743]...</cite> <quote>Neither of which constitutes what TC is saying and is along the same lines as: "What's preventing men pretending to be transgendered from sexually assaulting women in the women's bathroom?!" It's emotional rhetoric that stems from other places. In this case, it's "carefully crafted" to appeal to the other side. Otherwise known as concern trolling.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steve Nick 05/09/17 6:27:07 PM #59:	Nobody cares if the men are 'pretending' or not purposely to gain an advantage. They shouldn't be allowed in women's sports, PERIOD, regardless of intentions. And it IS happening. There aren't a ton of cases to show, because there aren't a ton of athletic transgenders. --- This is my signature. <cite>Steve Nick posted [p:878786141] in Serious qu... [t:75327743]...</cite> <quote>Nobody cares if the men are 'pretending' or not purposely to gain an advantage. They shouldn't be allowed in women's sports, PERIOD, regardless of intentions. And it IS happening. There aren't a ton of cases to show, because there aren't a ton of athletic transgenders.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 05/09/17 6:27:28 PM #60:	I mean, in all honesty, I don't think transgendered people should enter competitions, but it's really so low down on the totem poll of LGBT issues, you'll find that the only people who give a shit are conservatives who are either 'outraged' or concern trolling. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:878786159] in Serious qu... [t:75327743]...</cite> <quote>I mean, in all honesty, I don't think transgendered people should enter competitions, but it's really so low down on the totem poll of LGBT issues, you'll find that the only people who give a shit are conservatives who are either 'outraged' or concern trolling.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 05/09/17 6:27:57 PM #61:	No it's not, it's a genuine concern and there is already proof of it heading this direction. M-F trans regulations to compete in female sports have been LOWERED... And we already have examples of this kind of thing happening. How are you so thick headed and blind that you cannot see this? By the way, I lean WAY left most of the time on social issues, but this is a big deal. --- Smash DS Code: 4554-0120-5368 SB4 Name: Roz RIP: Orlando of the Axe Karma: 1642 --he delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:878786189] in Serious qu... [t:75327743]...</cite> <quote>No it's not, it's a genuine concern and there is already proof of it heading this direction. M-F trans regulations to compete in female sports have been LOWERED... And we already have examples of this kind of thing happening. How are you so thick headed and blind that you cannot see this? By the way, I lean WAY left most of the time on social issues, but this is a big deal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 05/09/17 7:40:22 PM #63:	shockthemonkey posted... Yeah everyone definitely believes that you're highly invested in high school sports When you're at the point where your arguments have degenerated to mind reading, may as well just bow out of the discussion. You've lost. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:878790616] in Serious qu... [t:75327743]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah everyone definitely believes that you're highly invested in high school sports</quote> When you're at the point where your arguments have degenerated to mind reading, may as well just bow out of the discussion. You've lost.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dustin1280 05/09/17 8:24:54 PM #65:	This has more then just "high school sports" implications... It has implications on professional and olympic sports as well... --- Smash DS Code: 4554-0120-5368 SB4 Name: Roz RIP: Orlando of the Axe Karma: 1642 --he delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:878793194] in Serious qu... [t:75327743]...</cite> <quote>This has more then just "high school sports" implications... It has implications on professional and olympic sports as well...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/09/17 9:25:38 PM #66:	The Admiral posted... COVxy posted... No, I'm not concerned about this ridiculously unlikely and silly possibility. "Unlikely" http://usatodayhss.com/2016/transgender-track-athlete-makes-history-as-controversy-stirs-around-her https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/opponents-cry-foul-after-testosterone-fueled-girl-wins-state-wrestling-titl Just admit your bias on this issue rather than trying to pretend everyone else is being irrational. He didn't say impossible. Anything involving trans people is one of those issues where you lose the ability to think rationally. If even one person merely attempts to exploit trans rights, you raise a stink. You do this anytime bathroom laws are discussed. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:878796921] in Serious qu... [t:75327743]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>No, I'm not concerned about this ridiculously unlikely and silly possibility.</quote> "Unlikely" http://usatodayhss.com/2016/transgender-track-athlete-makes-history-as-controversy-stirs-around-her https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/opponents-cry-foul-after-testosterone-fueled-girl-wins-state-wrestling-titl Just admit your bias on this issue rather than trying to pretend everyone else is being irrational.</quote> He didn't say impossible. Anything involving trans people is one of those issues where you lose the ability to think rationally. If even one person merely attempts to exploit trans rights, you raise a stink. You do this anytime bathroom laws are discussed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Microwaved_Eggs 05/09/17 11:53:41 PM #67:	shockthemonkey posted... Dustin1280 posted... These type of situations are the main problem I have with the direction the "trans-movement" is heading. If your biggest problem with trans rights is figuring out the logistics of sports integration then you're definitely doing a lot better than most of the people who will agree with you itt. thsis --- No rights reserved. <cite>Microwaved_Eggs posted [p:878805806] in Serious qu... [t:75327743]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>These type of situations are the main problem I have with the direction the "trans-movement" is heading.</quote> If your biggest problem with trans rights is figuring out the logistics of sports integration then you're definitely doing a lot better than most of the people who will agree with you itt.</quote> thsis</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
muchdran 05/10/17 12:00:33 AM #68:	It's all about meh feelings <cite>muchdran posted [p:878806138] in Serious qu... [t:75327743]...</cite> <quote>It's all about meh feelings</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightningchao 05/10/17 6:00:43 AM #69:	They have two reasonable options, the first being to ban transgenders from professional sports, as they have broken the rules on using hormones to alter their body, and have records of doing so. The other, simpler option, is to recognize that these sports are not separated based on how the athletes see themselves, but on their biological sex. In either option, transgender individuals are given no special treatment, they follow the rules, or stop competing. You don't just break the rules them demand to be allowed to compete, calling the organisation bigoted won't change that it was never divided by gender, but by sex. <cite>Lightningchao posted [p:878817040] in Serious qu... [t:75327743]...</cite> <quote>They have two reasonable options, the first being to ban transgenders from professional sports, as they have broken the rules on using hormones to alter their body, and have records of doing so. The other, simpler option, is to recognize that these sports are not separated based on how the athletes see themselves, but on their biological sex. In either option, transgender individuals are given no special treatment, they follow the rules, or stop competing. You don't just break the rules them demand to be allowed to compete, calling the organisation bigoted won't change that it was never divided by gender, but by sex.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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