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AugustAdoulin 05/05/17 12:01:25 PM #102:	SK8T3R215 posted... Antifar posted... SK8T3R215 posted... So why is it necessarily bad for people who need more costly care to pay more? For various reasons, people find the idea of burying the ill under medical debt to be distasteful. How much more would they end up paying though? Do we have some premium comparison we can make? And won't they already have to pay up to their deductible anyway so they will already pay thousands a year for treatment before coinsurance so that portion would be mostly unaffected? Go take a look at how medical bankruptcies happened before the ACA. People have such a short memory when it comes to these things I guess. <cite>AugustAdoulin posted [p:878523159] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>SK8T3R215 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SK8T3R215 posted...</cite> <quote>So why is it necessarily bad for people who need more costly care to pay more? </quote> For various reasons, people find the idea of burying the ill under medical debt to be distasteful.</quote> How much more would they end up paying though? Do we have some premium comparison we can make? And won't they already have to pay up to their deductible anyway so they will already pay thousands a year for treatment before coinsurance so that portion would be mostly unaffected?</quote> Go take a look at how medical bankruptcies happened before the ACA. People have such a short memory when it comes to these things I guess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/05/17 12:06:13 PM #103:	Antifar posted... meingott posted... Why? Automation has made everything it has touched cheaper and higher quality. Because waiting for this extent of automation does not help those that are suffering here and now. I've got nothing against the automation in the healthcare industry, but your insistence that it is the only possible solution to the problems we face is silly, given the achievements made in other countries with similar levels of automation. Automation can and will get here faster than you realize. If you majored in something useful besides intersectional gender studies, you'd know this. It IS the only possible solution. No other country has achieved anything notable in healthcare - they've been able to temporarily sustain high taxation funneled into universal healthcare because they're heavily invested in the free market and the capitalistic system that has generated tremendous wealth. If and when that engine dries up, those countries won't be able to sustain that level of spending. Those systems cannot handle a stress test like the one that is coming. --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878523431] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Why? Automation has made everything it has touched cheaper and higher quality.</quote> Because waiting for this extent of automation does not help those that are suffering here and now. I've got nothing against the automation in the healthcare industry, but your insistence that it is the only possible solution to the problems we face is silly, given the achievements made in other countries with similar levels of automation.</quote> Automation can and will get here faster than you realize. If you majored in something useful besides intersectional gender studies, you'd know this. It IS the only possible solution. No other country has achieved anything notable in healthcare - they've been able to temporarily sustain high taxation funneled into universal healthcare because they're heavily invested in the free market and the capitalistic system that has generated tremendous wealth. If and when that engine dries up, those countries won't be able to sustain that level of spending. Those systems cannot handle a stress test like the one that is coming.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AugustAdoulin 05/05/17 12:07:30 PM #104:	meingott posted... Antifar posted... meingott posted... Why? Automation has made everything it has touched cheaper and higher quality. Because waiting for this extent of automation does not help those that are suffering here and now. I've got nothing against the automation in the healthcare industry, but your insistence that it is the only possible solution to the problems we face is silly, given the achievements made in other countries with similar levels of automation. Automation can and will get here faster than you realize. If you majored in something useful besides intersectional gender studies, you'd know this. It IS the only possible solution. No other country has achieved anything notable in healthcare - they've been able to temporarily sustain high taxation funneled into universal healthcare because they're heavily invested in the free market and the capitalistic system that has generated tremendous wealth. If and when that engine dries up, those countries won't be able to sustain that level of spending. Those systems cannot handle a stress test like the one that is coming. So basically, "wait on automation, let the poor bastards go bankrupt or die until then." How sweet. <cite>AugustAdoulin posted [p:878523514] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Why? Automation has made everything it has touched cheaper and higher quality.</quote> Because waiting for this extent of automation does not help those that are suffering here and now. I've got nothing against the automation in the healthcare industry, but your insistence that it is the only possible solution to the problems we face is silly, given the achievements made in other countries with similar levels of automation.</quote> Automation can and will get here faster than you realize. If you majored in something useful besides intersectional gender studies, you'd know this. It IS the only possible solution. No other country has achieved anything notable in healthcare - they've been able to temporarily sustain high taxation funneled into universal healthcare because they're heavily invested in the free market and the capitalistic system that has generated tremendous wealth. If and when that engine dries up, those countries won't be able to sustain that level of spending. Those systems cannot handle a stress test like the one that is coming.</quote> So basically, "wait on automation, let the poor bastards go bankrupt or die until then." How sweet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foreveraIone 05/05/17 12:08:38 PM #105:	Didn't PC just make a topic where he said he was opening up to UHC because government funded healthcare helped him when he was young? --- http://i.imgtc.com/qieELu9.jpg <cite>foreveraIone posted [p:878523578] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote>Didn't PC just make a topic where he said he was opening up to UHC because government funded healthcare helped him when he was young?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/05/17 12:10:11 PM #106:	AugustAdoulin posted... meingott posted... Antifar posted... meingott posted... Why? Automation has made everything it has touched cheaper and higher quality. Because waiting for this extent of automation does not help those that are suffering here and now. I've got nothing against the automation in the healthcare industry, but your insistence that it is the only possible solution to the problems we face is silly, given the achievements made in other countries with similar levels of automation. Automation can and will get here faster than you realize. If you majored in something useful besides intersectional gender studies, you'd know this. It IS the only possible solution. No other country has achieved anything notable in healthcare - they've been able to temporarily sustain high taxation funneled into universal healthcare because they're heavily invested in the free market and the capitalistic system that has generated tremendous wealth. If and when that engine dries up, those countries won't be able to sustain that level of spending. Those systems cannot handle a stress test like the one that is coming. So basically, "wait on automation, let the poor bastards go bankrupt or die until then." How sweet. Proudclad basically worships the automation gods and think they'll solve all of our problems. (hint: they won't) --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:878523663] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Why? Automation has made everything it has touched cheaper and higher quality.</quote> Because waiting for this extent of automation does not help those that are suffering here and now. I've got nothing against the automation in the healthcare industry, but your insistence that it is the only possible solution to the problems we face is silly, given the achievements made in other countries with similar levels of automation.</quote> Automation can and will get here faster than you realize. If you majored in something useful besides intersectional gender studies, you'd know this. It IS the only possible solution. No other country has achieved anything notable in healthcare - they've been able to temporarily sustain high taxation funneled into universal healthcare because they're heavily invested in the free market and the capitalistic system that has generated tremendous wealth. If and when that engine dries up, those countries won't be able to sustain that level of spending. Those systems cannot handle a stress test like the one that is coming.</quote> So basically, "wait on automation, let the poor bastards go bankrupt or die until then." How sweet.</quote> Proudclad basically worships the automation gods and think they'll solve all of our problems. (hint: they won't)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/05/17 12:12:19 PM #107:	AugustAdoulin posted... meingott posted... Antifar posted... meingott posted... Why? Automation has made everything it has touched cheaper and higher quality. Because waiting for this extent of automation does not help those that are suffering here and now. I've got nothing against the automation in the healthcare industry, but your insistence that it is the only possible solution to the problems we face is silly, given the achievements made in other countries with similar levels of automation. Automation can and will get here faster than you realize. If you majored in something useful besides intersectional gender studies, you'd know this. It IS the only possible solution. No other country has achieved anything notable in healthcare - they've been able to temporarily sustain high taxation funneled into universal healthcare because they're heavily invested in the free market and the capitalistic system that has generated tremendous wealth. If and when that engine dries up, those countries won't be able to sustain that level of spending. Those systems cannot handle a stress test like the one that is coming. So basically, "wait on automation, let the poor bastards go bankrupt or die until then." How sweet. What is your main account? --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878523775] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Why? Automation has made everything it has touched cheaper and higher quality.</quote> Because waiting for this extent of automation does not help those that are suffering here and now. I've got nothing against the automation in the healthcare industry, but your insistence that it is the only possible solution to the problems we face is silly, given the achievements made in other countries with similar levels of automation.</quote> Automation can and will get here faster than you realize. If you majored in something useful besides intersectional gender studies, you'd know this. It IS the only possible solution. No other country has achieved anything notable in healthcare - they've been able to temporarily sustain high taxation funneled into universal healthcare because they're heavily invested in the free market and the capitalistic system that has generated tremendous wealth. If and when that engine dries up, those countries won't be able to sustain that level of spending. Those systems cannot handle a stress test like the one that is coming.</quote> So basically, "wait on automation, let the poor bastards go bankrupt or die until then." How sweet.</quote> What is your main account?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AugustAdoulin 05/05/17 12:12:34 PM #108:	sktgamer_13dude posted... Proudclad basically worships the automation gods and think they'll solve all of our problems. (hint: they won't) :o It is like... a literal "Deus ex Machina." You rarely see that happen. <cite>AugustAdoulin posted [p:878523794] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>Proudclad basically worships the automation gods and think they'll solve all of our problems. (hint: they won't)</quote> :o It is like... a literal "Deus ex Machina." You rarely see that happen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/05/17 12:12:49 PM #109:	sktgamer_13dude posted... AugustAdoulin posted... meingott posted... Antifar posted... meingott posted... Why? Automation has made everything it has touched cheaper and higher quality. Because waiting for this extent of automation does not help those that are suffering here and now. I've got nothing against the automation in the healthcare industry, but your insistence that it is the only possible solution to the problems we face is silly, given the achievements made in other countries with similar levels of automation. Automation can and will get here faster than you realize. If you majored in something useful besides intersectional gender studies, you'd know this. It IS the only possible solution. No other country has achieved anything notable in healthcare - they've been able to temporarily sustain high taxation funneled into universal healthcare because they're heavily invested in the free market and the capitalistic system that has generated tremendous wealth. If and when that engine dries up, those countries won't be able to sustain that level of spending. Those systems cannot handle a stress test like the one that is coming. So basically, "wait on automation, let the poor bastards go bankrupt or die until then." How sweet. Proudclad basically worships the automation gods and think they'll solve all of our problems. (hint: they won't) Automation will do exactly that. --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878523806] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Why? Automation has made everything it has touched cheaper and higher quality.</quote> Because waiting for this extent of automation does not help those that are suffering here and now. I've got nothing against the automation in the healthcare industry, but your insistence that it is the only possible solution to the problems we face is silly, given the achievements made in other countries with similar levels of automation.</quote> Automation can and will get here faster than you realize. If you majored in something useful besides intersectional gender studies, you'd know this. It IS the only possible solution. No other country has achieved anything notable in healthcare - they've been able to temporarily sustain high taxation funneled into universal healthcare because they're heavily invested in the free market and the capitalistic system that has generated tremendous wealth. If and when that engine dries up, those countries won't be able to sustain that level of spending. Those systems cannot handle a stress test like the one that is coming.</quote> So basically, "wait on automation, let the poor bastards go bankrupt or die until then." How sweet.</quote> Proudclad basically worships the automation gods and think they'll solve all of our problems. (hint: they won't)</quote> Automation will do exactly that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/05/17 12:16:35 PM #110:	meingott posted... Automation will do exactly that. What do you propose we do until then? --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:878524003] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Automation will do exactly that. </quote> What do you propose we do until then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/05/17 12:16:47 PM #111:	How exactly will it do that? I mean the automation gods will kill the lower tier of jobs so fuck college/high school students. They don't need a job right? I'm interested in see how you think automation will "save" the healthcare industry. Though I'm assuming you either won't answer or you'll barely explain it, so I don't have high hopes. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:878524021] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote>How exactly will it do that? I mean the automation gods will kill the lower tier of jobs so fuck college/high school students. They don't need a job right? I'm interested in see how you think automation will "save" the healthcare industry. Though I'm assuming you either won't answer or you'll barely explain it, so I don't have high hopes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AugustAdoulin 05/05/17 12:17:31 PM #112:	meingott posted... AugustAdoulin posted... meingott posted... Antifar posted... meingott posted... Why? Automation has made everything it has touched cheaper and higher quality. Because waiting for this extent of automation does not help those that are suffering here and now. I've got nothing against the automation in the healthcare industry, but your insistence that it is the only possible solution to the problems we face is silly, given the achievements made in other countries with similar levels of automation. Automation can and will get here faster than you realize. If you majored in something useful besides intersectional gender studies, you'd know this. It IS the only possible solution. No other country has achieved anything notable in healthcare - they've been able to temporarily sustain high taxation funneled into universal healthcare because they're heavily invested in the free market and the capitalistic system that has generated tremendous wealth. If and when that engine dries up, those countries won't be able to sustain that level of spending. Those systems cannot handle a stress test like the one that is coming. So basically, "wait on automation, let the poor bastards go bankrupt or die until then." How sweet. What is your main account? this is my main account. I'm just new and never posted much till now. But sure, use that to avoid responding to me. You don't have any way to justify letting people die in tribute to the automation Gods of the future anyway. <cite>AugustAdoulin posted [p:878524059] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Why? Automation has made everything it has touched cheaper and higher quality.</quote> Because waiting for this extent of automation does not help those that are suffering here and now. I've got nothing against the automation in the healthcare industry, but your insistence that it is the only possible solution to the problems we face is silly, given the achievements made in other countries with similar levels of automation.</quote> Automation can and will get here faster than you realize. If you majored in something useful besides intersectional gender studies, you'd know this. It IS the only possible solution. No other country has achieved anything notable in healthcare - they've been able to temporarily sustain high taxation funneled into universal healthcare because they're heavily invested in the free market and the capitalistic system that has generated tremendous wealth. If and when that engine dries up, those countries won't be able to sustain that level of spending. Those systems cannot handle a stress test like the one that is coming.</quote> So basically, "wait on automation, let the poor bastards go bankrupt or die until then." How sweet.</quote> What is your main account?</quote> this is my main account. I'm just new and never posted much till now. But sure, use that to avoid responding to me. You don't have any way to justify letting people die in tribute to the automation Gods of the future anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/05/17 12:17:55 PM #113:	Antifar posted... meingott posted... Automation will do exactly that. What do you propose we do until then? Pay for it through tax credits and/or state funded programs. Whichever is the easiest way to avoid the type of regulation and bureaucracy that would stifle technological progress and entrench us in statism forever. --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878524088] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Automation will do exactly that. </quote> What do you propose we do until then?</quote> Pay for it through tax credits and/or state funded programs. Whichever is the easiest way to avoid the type of regulation and bureaucracy that would stifle technological progress and entrench us in statism forever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AugustAdoulin 05/05/17 12:18:48 PM #114:	Antifar posted... meingott posted... Automation will do exactly that. What do you propose we do until then? Low key let them die or bury themselves in bankruptcy. That's been the GOP's stance on healthcare for as long as I can remember. <cite>AugustAdoulin posted [p:878524130] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Automation will do exactly that. </quote> What do you propose we do until then?</quote> Low key let them die or bury themselves in bankruptcy. That's been the GOP's stance on healthcare for as long as I can remember.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/05/17 12:18:51 PM #115:	sktgamer_13dude posted... How exactly will it do that? I mean the automation gods will kill the lower tier of jobs so fuck college/high school students. They don't need a job right? I'm interested in see how you think automation will "save" the healthcare industry. Though I'm assuming you either won't answer or you'll barely explain it, so I don't have high hopes. By making diagnoses and treatment cheap and accessible, the way computers and cars and information have all gotten cheaper and more accessible --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878524132] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>How exactly will it do that? I mean the automation gods will kill the lower tier of jobs so fuck college/high school students. They don't need a job right? I'm interested in see how you think automation will "save" the healthcare industry. Though I'm assuming you either won't answer or you'll barely explain it, so I don't have high hopes.</quote> By making diagnoses and treatment cheap and accessible, the way computers and cars and information have all gotten cheaper and more accessible</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SK8T3R215 05/05/17 12:18:58 PM #116:	AugustAdoulin posted... SK8T3R215 posted... Antifar posted... SK8T3R215 posted... So why is it necessarily bad for people who need more costly care to pay more? For various reasons, people find the idea of burying the ill under medical debt to be distasteful. How much more would they end up paying though? Do we have some premium comparison we can make? And won't they already have to pay up to their deductible anyway so they will already pay thousands a year for treatment before coinsurance so that portion would be mostly unaffected? Go take a look at how medical bankruptcies happened before the ACA. People have such a short memory when it comes to these things I guess. I mean I found articles saying people still have issues paying medical bills but nothing really related to how the ACA lowered them specifically. Do you have any links? One issue also with using broad personal bankruptcy from about 2009 is the recession caused people to file for bankruptcy so you would expect it to spike then and fall over the following years. --- New York Knicks, New York Jets, New York Yankees. <cite>SK8T3R215 posted [p:878524137] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SK8T3R215 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SK8T3R215 posted...</cite> <quote>So why is it necessarily bad for people who need more costly care to pay more? </quote> For various reasons, people find the idea of burying the ill under medical debt to be distasteful.</quote> How much more would they end up paying though? Do we have some premium comparison we can make? And won't they already have to pay up to their deductible anyway so they will already pay thousands a year for treatment before coinsurance so that portion would be mostly unaffected?</quote> Go take a look at how medical bankruptcies happened before the ACA. People have such a short memory when it comes to these things I guess.</quote> I mean I found articles saying people still have issues paying medical bills but nothing really related to how the ACA lowered them specifically. Do you have any links? One issue also with using broad personal bankruptcy from about 2009 is the recession caused people to file for bankruptcy so you would expect it to spike then and fall over the following years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/05/17 12:19:18 PM #117:	AugustAdoulin posted... meingott posted... AugustAdoulin posted... meingott posted... Antifar posted... meingott posted... Why? Automation has made everything it has touched cheaper and higher quality. Because waiting for this extent of automation does not help those that are suffering here and now. I've got nothing against the automation in the healthcare industry, but your insistence that it is the only possible solution to the problems we face is silly, given the achievements made in other countries with similar levels of automation. Automation can and will get here faster than you realize. If you majored in something useful besides intersectional gender studies, you'd know this. It IS the only possible solution. No other country has achieved anything notable in healthcare - they've been able to temporarily sustain high taxation funneled into universal healthcare because they're heavily invested in the free market and the capitalistic system that has generated tremendous wealth. If and when that engine dries up, those countries won't be able to sustain that level of spending. Those systems cannot handle a stress test like the one that is coming. So basically, "wait on automation, let the poor bastards go bankrupt or die until then." How sweet. What is your main account? this is my main account. I'm just new and never posted much till now. But sure, use that to avoid responding to me. You don't have any way to justify letting people die in tribute to the automation Gods of the future anyway. Fuck off, you're one of the illiterate shitposting alts that makes a new account every week. --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878524158] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Why? Automation has made everything it has touched cheaper and higher quality.</quote> Because waiting for this extent of automation does not help those that are suffering here and now. I've got nothing against the automation in the healthcare industry, but your insistence that it is the only possible solution to the problems we face is silly, given the achievements made in other countries with similar levels of automation.</quote> Automation can and will get here faster than you realize. If you majored in something useful besides intersectional gender studies, you'd know this. It IS the only possible solution. No other country has achieved anything notable in healthcare - they've been able to temporarily sustain high taxation funneled into universal healthcare because they're heavily invested in the free market and the capitalistic system that has generated tremendous wealth. If and when that engine dries up, those countries won't be able to sustain that level of spending. Those systems cannot handle a stress test like the one that is coming.</quote> So basically, "wait on automation, let the poor bastards go bankrupt or die until then." How sweet.</quote> What is your main account?</quote> this is my main account. I'm just new and never posted much till now. But sure, use that to avoid responding to me. You don't have any way to justify letting people die in tribute to the automation Gods of the future anyway.</quote> Fuck off, you're one of the illiterate shitposting alts that makes a new account every week.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AugustAdoulin 05/05/17 12:19:57 PM #118:	meingott posted... Fuck off, you're one of the illiterate shitposting alts that makes a new account every week. Expected. <cite>AugustAdoulin posted [p:878524184] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Fuck off, you're one of the illiterate shitposting alts that makes a new account every week.</quote> Expected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/05/17 12:20:25 PM #119:	meingott posted... AugustAdoulin posted... meingott posted... AugustAdoulin posted... meingott posted... Antifar posted... meingott posted... Why? Automation has made everything it has touched cheaper and higher quality. Because waiting for this extent of automation does not help those that are suffering here and now. I've got nothing against the automation in the healthcare industry, but your insistence that it is the only possible solution to the problems we face is silly, given the achievements made in other countries with similar levels of automation. Automation can and will get here faster than you realize. If you majored in something useful besides intersectional gender studies, you'd know this. It IS the only possible solution. No other country has achieved anything notable in healthcare - they've been able to temporarily sustain high taxation funneled into universal healthcare because they're heavily invested in the free market and the capitalistic system that has generated tremendous wealth. If and when that engine dries up, those countries won't be able to sustain that level of spending. Those systems cannot handle a stress test like the one that is coming. So basically, "wait on automation, let the poor bastards go bankrupt or die until then." How sweet. What is your main account? this is my main account. I'm just new and never posted much till now. But sure, use that to avoid responding to me. You don't have any way to justify letting people die in tribute to the automation Gods of the future anyway. Fuck off, you're one of the illiterate shitposting alts that makes a new account every week. >says the person who has used two new accounts after getting banned in the past month --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:878524208] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Why? Automation has made everything it has touched cheaper and higher quality.</quote> Because waiting for this extent of automation does not help those that are suffering here and now. I've got nothing against the automation in the healthcare industry, but your insistence that it is the only possible solution to the problems we face is silly, given the achievements made in other countries with similar levels of automation.</quote> Automation can and will get here faster than you realize. If you majored in something useful besides intersectional gender studies, you'd know this. It IS the only possible solution. No other country has achieved anything notable in healthcare - they've been able to temporarily sustain high taxation funneled into universal healthcare because they're heavily invested in the free market and the capitalistic system that has generated tremendous wealth. If and when that engine dries up, those countries won't be able to sustain that level of spending. Those systems cannot handle a stress test like the one that is coming.</quote> So basically, "wait on automation, let the poor bastards go bankrupt or die until then." How sweet.</quote> What is your main account?</quote> this is my main account. I'm just new and never posted much till now. But sure, use that to avoid responding to me. You don't have any way to justify letting people die in tribute to the automation Gods of the future anyway.</quote> Fuck off, you're one of the illiterate shitposting alts that makes a new account every week.</quote> >says the person who has used two new accounts after getting banned in the past month</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 05/05/17 12:20:40 PM #120:	i don't agree with the list of pre-existing condtions.... i have a few of those on there. used to have asthma but i grew out of it, colds do get slightly worse though (but i know how to get through with them). --- There's just a level of difference between people, and it translates into some pizzas: DifferentialEquation <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:878524222] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote>i don't agree with the list of pre-existing condtions.... i have a few of those on there. used to have asthma but i grew out of it, colds do get slightly worse though (but i know how to get through with them).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/05/17 12:21:24 PM #121:	meingott posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... How exactly will it do that? I mean the automation gods will kill the lower tier of jobs so fuck college/high school students. They don't need a job right? I'm interested in see how you think automation will "save" the healthcare industry. Though I'm assuming you either won't answer or you'll barely explain it, so I don't have high hopes. By making diagnoses and treatment cheap and accessible, the way computers and cars and information have all gotten cheaper and more accessible So are you actually going to explain your points or just keep generalizing? What, is a robot going to "automate my cancer away" if I get cancer? --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:878524260] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>How exactly will it do that? I mean the automation gods will kill the lower tier of jobs so fuck college/high school students. They don't need a job right? I'm interested in see how you think automation will "save" the healthcare industry. Though I'm assuming you either won't answer or you'll barely explain it, so I don't have high hopes.</quote> By making diagnoses and treatment cheap and accessible, the way computers and cars and information have all gotten cheaper and more accessible</quote> So are you actually going to explain your points or just keep generalizing? What, is a robot going to "automate my cancer away" if I get cancer?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Villain 05/05/17 12:25:53 PM #122:	voldothegr8 posted... CrimsonAngeI posted... I got mine Damn right I got mine, and fuck anyone who tries to take it. Not wishing this on you but if your child ends up with cancer all I can say is told you so. The problem here is your short-sighted thinking it's not outside the realm of possibility that you or a family member gets struck with a pre-existing condition. You and your family may be fine now. That may not be the case in 6 years. --- http://i.imgur.com/ZWNgMXL.jpg Formally known as Will VIIII Game Discounts + Deals: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1205-discounts-and-deals <cite>Villain posted [p:878524513] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CrimsonAngeI posted...</cite> <quote>I got mine</quote> Damn right I got mine, and fuck anyone who tries to take it.</quote> Not wishing this on you but if your child ends up with cancer all I can say is told you so. The problem here is your short-sighted thinking it's not outside the realm of possibility that you or a family member gets struck with a pre-existing condition. You and your family may be fine now. That may not be the case in 6 years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/05/17 12:28:01 PM #123:	sktgamer_13dude posted... meingott posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... How exactly will it do that? I mean the automation gods will kill the lower tier of jobs so fuck college/high school students. They don't need a job right? I'm interested in see how you think automation will "save" the healthcare industry. Though I'm assuming you either won't answer or you'll barely explain it, so I don't have high hopes. By making diagnoses and treatment cheap and accessible, the way computers and cars and information have all gotten cheaper and more accessible So are you actually going to explain your points or just keep generalizing? What, is a robot going to "automate my cancer away" if I get cancer? youre either unwilling to think critically or not smart enough to understand basic things about business and technology. do you really need me to hold your hand as to how automating diagnoses and treatments will reduce the cost of both? --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878524628] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>How exactly will it do that? I mean the automation gods will kill the lower tier of jobs so fuck college/high school students. They don't need a job right? I'm interested in see how you think automation will "save" the healthcare industry. Though I'm assuming you either won't answer or you'll barely explain it, so I don't have high hopes.</quote> By making diagnoses and treatment cheap and accessible, the way computers and cars and information have all gotten cheaper and more accessible</quote> So are you actually going to explain your points or just keep generalizing? What, is a robot going to "automate my cancer away" if I get cancer?</quote> youre either unwilling to think critically or not smart enough to understand basic things about business and technology. do you really need me to hold your hand as to how automating diagnoses and treatments will reduce the cost of both?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OpShaft 05/05/17 12:34:03 PM #124:	I like how this guy is speaking facts and is able to back them up. When did we start believing what people from Ohio say? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>OpShaft posted [p:878524975] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote>I like how this guy is speaking facts and is able to back them up. When did we start believing what people from Ohio say?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 05/05/17 12:37:47 PM #125:	Villain posted... voldothegr8 posted... CrimsonAngeI posted... I got mine Damn right I got mine, and fuck anyone who tries to take it. Not wishing this on you but if your child ends up with cancer all I can say is told you so. The problem here is your short-sighted thinking it's not outside the realm of possibility that you or a family member gets struck with a pre-existing condition. You and your family may be fine now. That may not be the case in 6 years. I agree change is needed but Obamacare wasn't the way to do it. Again, it was deemed unconstitutional until the tax loophole and it fucked over more people than it helped. So we're starting over to a time before Obamacare and working from there. It's indeed bullshit what insurance companies do but it's even bigger bullshit that the government tried to make hard working people pay for it. --- Oda break tracker 2017- 3 (2) Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:878525186] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CrimsonAngeI posted...</cite> <quote>I got mine</quote> Damn right I got mine, and fuck anyone who tries to take it.</quote> Not wishing this on you but if your child ends up with cancer all I can say is told you so. The problem here is your short-sighted thinking it's not outside the realm of possibility that you or a family member gets struck with a pre-existing condition. You and your family may be fine now. That may not be the case in 6 years.</quote> I agree change is needed but Obamacare wasn't the way to do it. Again, it was deemed unconstitutional until the tax loophole and it fucked over more people than it helped. So we're starting over to a time before Obamacare and working from there. It's indeed bullshit what insurance companies do but it's even bigger bullshit that the government tried to make hard working people pay for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/05/17 12:38:57 PM #126:	meingott posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... meingott posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... How exactly will it do that? I mean the automation gods will kill the lower tier of jobs so fuck college/high school students. They don't need a job right? I'm interested in see how you think automation will "save" the healthcare industry. Though I'm assuming you either won't answer or you'll barely explain it, so I don't have high hopes. By making diagnoses and treatment cheap and accessible, the way computers and cars and information have all gotten cheaper and more accessible So are you actually going to explain your points or just keep generalizing? What, is a robot going to "automate my cancer away" if I get cancer? youre either unwilling to think critically or not smart enough to understand basic things about business and technology. do you really need me to hold your hand as to how automating diagnoses and treatments will reduce the cost of both? I just want to see your thought process. I'm not opposed to robots helping in the healthcare industry, I just don't pretend to know more than I don't and so I want to know exactly how this will "save money". Sorry that I'm making you explain your point more. I know that actually articulating your point must be so hard for you. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:878525258] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>How exactly will it do that? I mean the automation gods will kill the lower tier of jobs so fuck college/high school students. They don't need a job right? I'm interested in see how you think automation will "save" the healthcare industry. Though I'm assuming you either won't answer or you'll barely explain it, so I don't have high hopes.</quote> By making diagnoses and treatment cheap and accessible, the way computers and cars and information have all gotten cheaper and more accessible</quote> So are you actually going to explain your points or just keep generalizing? What, is a robot going to "automate my cancer away" if I get cancer?</quote> youre either unwilling to think critically or not smart enough to understand basic things about business and technology. do you really need me to hold your hand as to how automating diagnoses and treatments will reduce the cost of both?</quote> I just want to see your thought process. I'm not opposed to robots helping in the healthcare industry, I just don't pretend to know more than I don't and so I want to know exactly how this will "save money". Sorry that I'm making you explain your point more. I know that actually articulating your point must be so hard for you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/05/17 1:31:56 PM #127:	sktgamer_13dude posted... meingott posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... meingott posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... How exactly will it do that? I mean the automation gods will kill the lower tier of jobs so fuck college/high school students. They don't need a job right? I'm interested in see how you think automation will "save" the healthcare industry. Though I'm assuming you either won't answer or you'll barely explain it, so I don't have high hopes. By making diagnoses and treatment cheap and accessible, the way computers and cars and information have all gotten cheaper and more accessible So are you actually going to explain your points or just keep generalizing? What, is a robot going to "automate my cancer away" if I get cancer? youre either unwilling to think critically or not smart enough to understand basic things about business and technology. do you really need me to hold your hand as to how automating diagnoses and treatments will reduce the cost of both? I just want to see your thought process. I'm not opposed to robots helping in the healthcare industry, I just don't pretend to know more than I don't and so I want to know exactly how this will "save money". Sorry that I'm making you explain your point more. I know that actually articulating your point must be so hard for you. Listen, I'm not obligated to hold your hand. The world will move forward with or without your understanding of basic principles. There's no need for me to spend time proving anything to someone as abrasive as you, and it will make no difference if I do - whether or not you're satisfied with how much I hold your hand is irrelevant to the truth of automation and what automation has already done to costs in other industries. So maybe take a step back and realize (and accept) that someone not dancing like a marionette to your shitty tune...does not mean that they're misinformed or without an argument. It might just mean that they're too busy actually effecting a change in the world (through automation) to bother explaining basic shit to you. Automation would reduce the expensive labor cost of diagnosing and treating people. Because machines can do more work at a faster pace and a lower cost when compared with humans. It's just a matter of time until machines can perform basic operations on people at a higher success rate than human doctors. It's just a matter of time until machine learning gives us advanced understanding of genomics and how to treat genetic disorders. Shit like CRISPR is already paving the way for that. Automation means less expensive labor and more accurate results. This is because machines are inexpensive compared to human labor, and because machines are more capable of processing tremendous amounts of information (which is one of the reasons healthcare is so expensive - it's a complex industry). --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878528198] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>How exactly will it do that? I mean the automation gods will kill the lower tier of jobs so fuck college/high school students. They don't need a job right? I'm interested in see how you think automation will "save" the healthcare industry. Though I'm assuming you either won't answer or you'll barely explain it, so I don't have high hopes.</quote> By making diagnoses and treatment cheap and accessible, the way computers and cars and information have all gotten cheaper and more accessible</quote> So are you actually going to explain your points or just keep generalizing? What, is a robot going to "automate my cancer away" if I get cancer?</quote> youre either unwilling to think critically or not smart enough to understand basic things about business and technology. do you really need me to hold your hand as to how automating diagnoses and treatments will reduce the cost of both?</quote> I just want to see your thought process. I'm not opposed to robots helping in the healthcare industry, I just don't pretend to know more than I don't and so I want to know exactly how this will "save money". Sorry that I'm making you explain your point more. I know that actually articulating your point must be so hard for you.</quote> Listen, I'm not obligated to hold your hand. The world will move forward with or without your understanding of basic principles. There's no need for me to spend time proving anything to someone as abrasive as you, and it will make no difference if I do - whether or not you're satisfied with how much I hold your hand is irrelevant to the truth of automation and what automation has already done to costs in other industries. So maybe take a step back and realize (and accept) that someone not dancing like a marionette to your shitty tune...does not mean that they're misinformed or without an argument. It might just mean that they're too busy actually effecting a change in the world (through automation) to bother explaining basic shit to you. Automation would reduce the expensive labor cost of diagnosing and treating people. Because machines can do more work at a faster pace and a lower cost when compared with humans. It's just a matter of time until machines can perform basic operations on people at a higher success rate than human doctors. It's just a matter of time until machine learning gives us advanced understanding of genomics and how to treat genetic disorders. Shit like CRISPR is already paving the way for that. Automation means less expensive labor and more accurate results. This is because machines are inexpensive compared to human labor, and because machines are more capable of processing tremendous amounts of information (which is one of the reasons healthcare is so expensive - it's a complex industry).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Will 05/05/17 1:51:53 PM #128:	Kineth posted... I'm gonna be interested to hear what my Republican friends (who all happen to not be shitheads) will have to say about it. Especially one who has a pre-existing condition that was saying that as long as that was kept in the healthcare plan, he'd be alright with it. only cares about self is 'not a shithead' Right.... --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:878529390] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>I'm gonna be interested to hear what my Republican friends (who all happen to not be shitheads) will have to say about it. Especially one who has a pre-existing condition that was saying that as long as that was kept in the healthcare plan, he'd be alright with it.</quote> only cares about self is 'not a shithead' Right....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/05/17 1:54:01 PM #129:	Sir Will posted... Kineth posted... I'm gonna be interested to hear what my Republican friends (who all happen to not be shitheads) will have to say about it. Especially one who has a pre-existing condition that was saying that as long as that was kept in the healthcare plan, he'd be alright with it. only cares about self is 'not a shithead' Right.... Ok, they're not COMPLETE shitheads. --- I call them boob implants because saying I'm getting a boobilicious chest full of science isn't likely to catch your attention. -gunplagirl <cite>Kineth posted [p:878529553] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sir Will posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>I'm gonna be interested to hear what my Republican friends (who all happen to not be shitheads) will have to say about it. Especially one who has a pre-existing condition that was saying that as long as that was kept in the healthcare plan, he'd be alright with it.</quote> only cares about self is 'not a shithead' Right....</quote> Ok, they're not COMPLETE shitheads.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/05/17 2:04:03 PM #130:	@Antifar out of curiosity, are you actually majoring in intersectional gender studies? --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878530222] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote>@Antifar out of curiosity, are you actually majoring in intersectional gender studies?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShinyMasamuneZ 05/05/17 2:20:16 PM #131:	meingott posted... Automation means less expensive labor and more accurate results. This is because machines are inexpensive compared to human labor, and because machines are more capable of processing tremendous amounts of information (which is one of the reasons healthcare is so expensive - it's a complex industry). So if medical labor is automated in the majority and leads to cheaper diagnoses and tests, how does that scale with automation in other industries displacing labor and ultimately leading to a massive employment crisis? It's great that medical costs are reduced, but if people don't have jobs to pay for them or still can't afford care from their meager UBI, what good does that do? --- Currently Playing: Breath of the Wild Recently Finished: Final Fantasy XV, Dark Cloud, Specter Knight <cite>ShinyMasamuneZ posted [p:878531201] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Automation means less expensive labor and more accurate results. This is because machines are inexpensive compared to human labor, and because machines are more capable of processing tremendous amounts of information (which is one of the reasons healthcare is so expensive - it's a complex industry).</quote> So if medical labor is automated in the majority and leads to cheaper diagnoses and tests, how does that scale with automation in other industries displacing labor and ultimately leading to a massive employment crisis? It's great that medical costs are reduced, but if people don't have jobs to pay for them or still can't afford care from their meager UBI, what good does that do?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/05/17 2:23:39 PM #132:	ShinyMasamuneZ posted... meingott posted... Automation means less expensive labor and more accurate results. This is because machines are inexpensive compared to human labor, and because machines are more capable of processing tremendous amounts of information (which is one of the reasons healthcare is so expensive - it's a complex industry). So if medical labor is automated in the majority and leads to cheaper diagnoses and tests, how does that scale with automation in other industries displacing labor and ultimately leading to a massive employment crisis? It's great that medical costs are reduced, but if people don't have jobs to pay for them or still can't afford care from their meager UBI, what good does that do? Automation will be a process, not an over night deal. As automation reduces costs, people will be able to afford more for less. There will still be work for able bodied people for a while yet. And when we get to the point where that's not the case, everyone will have a universal income anyway and everything will be obtainable with very little hours of work required. So it'll be fine. --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878531412] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShinyMasamuneZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Automation means less expensive labor and more accurate results. This is because machines are inexpensive compared to human labor, and because machines are more capable of processing tremendous amounts of information (which is one of the reasons healthcare is so expensive - it's a complex industry).</quote> So if medical labor is automated in the majority and leads to cheaper diagnoses and tests, how does that scale with automation in other industries displacing labor and ultimately leading to a massive employment crisis? It's great that medical costs are reduced, but if people don't have jobs to pay for them or still can't afford care from their meager UBI, what good does that do?</quote> Automation will be a process, not an over night deal. As automation reduces costs, people will be able to afford more for less. There will still be work for able bodied people for a while yet. And when we get to the point where that's not the case, everyone will have a universal income anyway and everything will be obtainable with very little hours of work required. So it'll be fine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/05/17 2:25:12 PM #133:	meingott posted... @Antifar out of curiosity, are you actually majoring in intersectional gender studies? No, my degree is in something far less valuable: journalism --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:878531512] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>@Antifar out of curiosity, are you actually majoring in intersectional gender studies?</quote> No, my degree is in something far less valuable: journalism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/05/17 2:26:16 PM #134:	Antifar posted... meingott posted... @Antifar out of curiosity, are you actually majoring in intersectional gender studies? No, my degree is in something far less valuable: journalism lmao why --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878531587] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>@Antifar out of curiosity, are you actually majoring in intersectional gender studies?</quote> No, my degree is in something far less valuable: journalism</quote> lmao why</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
P4wn4g3 05/05/17 2:28:48 PM #135:	I'm glad Antifar came in here to give some rational points before the nutjobs took over, which by the way it's really you nutjobs that would be hurt the most by this. I guess you have no survival instinct. The fact is Obamacare shined the light on the ugly truth of big insurance in America and showed that yes, anything is better than sending our needy to their slow miserable deaths. These aren't the transients or the lunatics either, they are the average working Americans. No sane human being would want to go back to such a eugenics based system as we had before, which really makes it blatant just how fucked up in the head our GOP is. At least we have open dialogue about these issues now. --- For problems with the site, start here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/feedback/index.php?type=37 <cite>P4wn4g3 posted [p:878531738] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote>I'm glad Antifar came in here to give some rational points before the nutjobs took over, which by the way it's really you nutjobs that would be hurt the most by this. I guess you have no survival instinct. The fact is Obamacare shined the light on the ugly truth of big insurance in America and showed that yes, anything is better than sending our needy to their slow miserable deaths. These aren't the transients or the lunatics either, they are the average working Americans. No sane human being would want to go back to such a eugenics based system as we had before, which really makes it blatant just how fucked up in the head our GOP is. At least we have open dialogue about these issues now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Samurontai 05/05/17 2:29:02 PM #136:	I think that at this point it's just completely fair to call any and all currentTrump supporters pieces of shit, scum of the earth, or just plain ignorantly stupid as fuck Just saying. If you can actually support something like this, you're a shitty person --- http://i.imgur.com/Scl5rwX.gif http://i.imgur.com/Fjgt7Qq.gif http://i.imgur.com/NidhAni.gif http://i.imgur.com/IGIbQPk.gif <cite>Samurontai posted [p:878531751] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote>I think that at this point it's just completely fair to call any and all currentTrump supporters pieces of shit, scum of the earth, or just plain ignorantly stupid as fuck Just saying. If you can actually support something like this, you're a shitty person</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/05/17 2:31:12 PM #137:	P4wn4g3 posted... I'm glad Antifar came in here to give some rational points before the nutjobs took over, which by the way it's really you nutjobs that would be hurt the most by this. I guess you have no survival instinct. The fact is Obamacare shined the light on the ugly truth of big insurance in America and showed that yes, anything is better than sending our needy to their slow miserable deaths. These aren't the transients or the lunatics either, they are the average working Americans. No sane human being would want to go back to such a eugenics based system as we had before, which really makes it blatant just how fucked up in the head our GOP is. At least we have open dialogue about these issues now. "who cares if obamacare is decimating the middle class with forced expensive payments for high deductible shit stain plans, it was actually a good thing because it showed us how bad our system is!!!!1!1!1!1!1" --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878531881] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm glad Antifar came in here to give some rational points before the nutjobs took over, which by the way it's really you nutjobs that would be hurt the most by this. I guess you have no survival instinct. The fact is Obamacare shined the light on the ugly truth of big insurance in America and showed that yes, anything is better than sending our needy to their slow miserable deaths. These aren't the transients or the lunatics either, they are the average working Americans. No sane human being would want to go back to such a eugenics based system as we had before, which really makes it blatant just how fucked up in the head our GOP is. At least we have open dialogue about these issues now.</quote> "who cares if obamacare is decimating the middle class with forced expensive payments for high deductible shit stain plans, it was actually a good thing because it showed us how bad our system is!!!!1!1!1!1!1"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShinyMasamuneZ 05/05/17 2:31:41 PM #138:	meingott posted... Automation will be a process, not an over night deal. As automation reduces costs, people will be able to afford more for less. There will still be work for able bodied people for a while yet. And when we get to the point where that's not the case, everyone will have a universal income anyway and everything will be obtainable with very little hours of work required. So it'll be fine. Most predictions about the automation of labor predict that the physical labor jobs that able-bodied people are required for will be the first to go. Industries involving manufacturing, construction, and mining are already or within the next decade or so, will be the first off the map. The size of the job pool is going to decrease as automation increases -- likely faster as automation has the potential to due multiple tasks as once. I find your analysis of automation to be very "Equations 101". You consider only the base effect without considering the literally millions of factors and players that come into play in real life. It's like modeling the trajectory of a projectile without considering air resistance, object size, launch method or object rotation. The basic outline gives you a good enough idea of what can happen, but without considering the other factors, your accuracy is greatly diminished. I also reject the notion that a UBI will allow a person to have everything they need or want. The UBI is to supply a person with a bare minimum for food, shelter, clothing and communications, but luxuries and other expenses are generally going to fall outside that sphere of influence. --- Currently Playing: Breath of the Wild Recently Finished: Final Fantasy XV, Dark Cloud, Specter Knight <cite>ShinyMasamuneZ posted [p:878531915] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Automation will be a process, not an over night deal. As automation reduces costs, people will be able to afford more for less. There will still be work for able bodied people for a while yet. And when we get to the point where that's not the case, everyone will have a universal income anyway and everything will be obtainable with very little hours of work required. So it'll be fine.</quote> Most predictions about the automation of labor predict that the physical labor jobs that able-bodied people are required for will be the first to go. Industries involving manufacturing, construction, and mining are already or within the next decade or so, will be the first off the map. The size of the job pool is going to decrease as automation increases -- likely faster as automation has the potential to due multiple tasks as once. I find your analysis of automation to be very "Equations 101". You consider only the base effect without considering the literally millions of factors and players that come into play in real life. It's like modeling the trajectory of a projectile without considering air resistance, object size, launch method or object rotation. The basic outline gives you a good enough idea of what can happen, but without considering the other factors, your accuracy is greatly diminished. I also reject the notion that a UBI will allow a person to have everything they need or want. The UBI is to supply a person with a bare minimum for food, shelter, clothing and communications, but luxuries and other expenses are generally going to fall outside that sphere of influence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
P4wn4g3 05/05/17 2:32:36 PM #139:	meingott posted... P4wn4g3 posted... I'm glad Antifar came in here to give some rational points before the nutjobs took over, which by the way it's really you nutjobs that would be hurt the most by this. I guess you have no survival instinct. The fact is Obamacare shined the light on the ugly truth of big insurance in America and showed that yes, anything is better than sending our needy to their slow miserable deaths. These aren't the transients or the lunatics either, they are the average working Americans. No sane human being would want to go back to such a eugenics based system as we had before, which really makes it blatant just how fucked up in the head our GOP is. At least we have open dialogue about these issues now. "who cares if obamacare is decimating the middle class with forced expensive payments for high deductible shit stain plans, it was actually a good thing because it showed us how bad our system is!!!!1!1!1!1!1" It's actually bolstering the middle class and the poor. On average, people are sick. --- For problems with the site, start here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/feedback/index.php?type=37 <cite>P4wn4g3 posted [p:878531974] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm glad Antifar came in here to give some rational points before the nutjobs took over, which by the way it's really you nutjobs that would be hurt the most by this. I guess you have no survival instinct. The fact is Obamacare shined the light on the ugly truth of big insurance in America and showed that yes, anything is better than sending our needy to their slow miserable deaths. These aren't the transients or the lunatics either, they are the average working Americans. No sane human being would want to go back to such a eugenics based system as we had before, which really makes it blatant just how fucked up in the head our GOP is. At least we have open dialogue about these issues now.</quote> "who cares if obamacare is decimating the middle class with forced expensive payments for high deductible shit stain plans, it was actually a good thing because it showed us how bad our system is!!!!1!1!1!1!1"</quote> It's actually bolstering the middle class and the poor. On average, people are sick.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/05/17 2:34:52 PM #140:	P4wn4g3 posted... meingott posted... P4wn4g3 posted... I'm glad Antifar came in here to give some rational points before the nutjobs took over, which by the way it's really you nutjobs that would be hurt the most by this. I guess you have no survival instinct. The fact is Obamacare shined the light on the ugly truth of big insurance in America and showed that yes, anything is better than sending our needy to their slow miserable deaths. These aren't the transients or the lunatics either, they are the average working Americans. No sane human being would want to go back to such a eugenics based system as we had before, which really makes it blatant just how fucked up in the head our GOP is. At least we have open dialogue about these issues now. "who cares if obamacare is decimating the middle class with forced expensive payments for high deductible shit stain plans, it was actually a good thing because it showed us how bad our system is!!!!1!1!1!1!1" It's actually bolstering the middle class and the poor. On average, people are sick. the aca is hurting more people than it is helping --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878532121] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm glad Antifar came in here to give some rational points before the nutjobs took over, which by the way it's really you nutjobs that would be hurt the most by this. I guess you have no survival instinct. The fact is Obamacare shined the light on the ugly truth of big insurance in America and showed that yes, anything is better than sending our needy to their slow miserable deaths. These aren't the transients or the lunatics either, they are the average working Americans. No sane human being would want to go back to such a eugenics based system as we had before, which really makes it blatant just how fucked up in the head our GOP is. At least we have open dialogue about these issues now.</quote> "who cares if obamacare is decimating the middle class with forced expensive payments for high deductible shit stain plans, it was actually a good thing because it showed us how bad our system is!!!!1!1!1!1!1"</quote> It's actually bolstering the middle class and the poor. On average, people are sick.</quote> the aca is hurting more people than it is helping</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/05/17 2:40:54 PM #141:	Holy fuck was that so hard to do? Also, can you make a post without being a condescending asshole or no? Anyway, back to the topic at hand, while I can see how having robots do shit sounds enticing, how exactly are you going to implement a UBI? How exactly are we going to decide on a number? Where is the funding coming from? Again, this is why I dislike automation. Also, if machines are diagnosing and performing surgeries, wouldn't that start to take away jobs from doctors? So now you want to take away jobs from medical professionals and from the low skill workers? The only jobs left will be the tech industry until someone creates a robot that will do r&d and, then boom, rip your job too. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:878532499] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote>Holy fuck was that so hard to do? Also, can you make a post without being a condescending asshole or no? Anyway, back to the topic at hand, while I can see how having robots do shit sounds enticing, how exactly are you going to implement a UBI? How exactly are we going to decide on a number? Where is the funding coming from? Again, this is why I dislike automation. Also, if machines are diagnosing and performing surgeries, wouldn't that start to take away jobs from doctors? So now you want to take away jobs from medical professionals and from the low skill workers? The only jobs left will be the tech industry until someone creates a robot that will do r&d and, then boom, rip your job too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Goggalor_ 05/05/17 2:40:59 PM #142:	Returning_CEmen posted... The Restless Leg syndrome community will not be pleased. I hear they've been pacing nervously since the announcement. --- Now Playing-The Last of Us Remastered <cite>_Goggalor_ posted [p:878532502] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Returning_CEmen posted...</cite> <quote>The Restless Leg syndrome community will not be pleased.</quote> I hear they've been pacing nervously since the announcement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
P4wn4g3 05/05/17 2:42:36 PM #143:	meingott posted... P4wn4g3 posted... meingott posted... P4wn4g3 posted... I'm glad Antifar came in here to give some rational points before the nutjobs took over, which by the way it's really you nutjobs that would be hurt the most by this. I guess you have no survival instinct. The fact is Obamacare shined the light on the ugly truth of big insurance in America and showed that yes, anything is better than sending our needy to their slow miserable deaths. These aren't the transients or the lunatics either, they are the average working Americans. No sane human being would want to go back to such a eugenics based system as we had before, which really makes it blatant just how fucked up in the head our GOP is. At least we have open dialogue about these issues now. "who cares if obamacare is decimating the middle class with forced expensive payments for high deductible shit stain plans, it was actually a good thing because it showed us how bad our system is!!!!1!1!1!1!1" It's actually bolstering the middle class and the poor. On average, people are sick. the aca is hurting more people than it is helping It's not. It gives people the opportunity to give back to the community and be productive members of society. Without something like that, low income earners (which by the way will include all grads as well) will have 2 options: become unemployed and take medicaid/social security/disability to survive without being able to take a job, OR get lucky and land a higher pay grade job. With at least 30% of Americans being uneducated and therefore unemployable, it gives them a means to do some sort of menial labor and also pay for their health. The high premiums and co-pays and other bullshit you see comes from the fact that the insurance companies have to make money, because unfortunately it's an industry that employs a lot of people, mostly who will otherwise have no marketable skills. The only true solution here is to let the insurance companies slowly die off so that people can move to other careers and we can move to a different healthcare system. --- For problems with the site, start here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/feedback/index.php?type=37 <cite>P4wn4g3 posted [p:878532576] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm glad Antifar came in here to give some rational points before the nutjobs took over, which by the way it's really you nutjobs that would be hurt the most by this. I guess you have no survival instinct. The fact is Obamacare shined the light on the ugly truth of big insurance in America and showed that yes, anything is better than sending our needy to their slow miserable deaths. These aren't the transients or the lunatics either, they are the average working Americans. No sane human being would want to go back to such a eugenics based system as we had before, which really makes it blatant just how fucked up in the head our GOP is. At least we have open dialogue about these issues now.</quote> "who cares if obamacare is decimating the middle class with forced expensive payments for high deductible shit stain plans, it was actually a good thing because it showed us how bad our system is!!!!1!1!1!1!1"</quote> It's actually bolstering the middle class and the poor. On average, people are sick.</quote> the aca is hurting more people than it is helping</quote> It's not. It gives people the opportunity to give back to the community and be productive members of society. Without something like that, low income earners (which by the way will include all grads as well) will have 2 options: become unemployed and take medicaid/social security/disability to survive without being able to take a job, OR get lucky and land a higher pay grade job. With at least 30% of Americans being uneducated and therefore unemployable, it gives them a means to do some sort of menial labor and also pay for their health. The high premiums and co-pays and other bullshit you see comes from the fact that the insurance companies have to make money, because unfortunately it's an industry that employs a lot of people, mostly who will otherwise have no marketable skills. The only true solution here is to let the insurance companies slowly die off so that people can move to other careers and we can move to a different healthcare system.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/05/17 2:44:56 PM #144:	ShinyMasamuneZ posted... Most predictions about the automation of labor predict that the physical labor jobs that able-bodied people are required for will be the first to go. Industries involving manufacturing, construction, and mining are already or within the next decade or so, will be the first off the map. The size of the job pool is going to decrease as automation increases -- likely faster as automation has the potential to due multiple tasks as once. I find your analysis of automation to be very "Equations 101". You consider only the base effect without considering the literally millions of factors and players that come into play in real life. It's like modeling the trajectory of a projectile without considering air resistance, object size, launch method or object rotation. The basic outline gives you a good enough idea of what can happen, but without considering the other factors, your accuracy is greatly diminished. I also reject the notion that a UBI will allow a person to have everything they need or want. The UBI is to supply a person with a bare minimum for food, shelter, clothing and communications, but luxuries and other expenses are generally going to fall outside that sphere of influence. I'm pretty confident that physical jobs will be the last ones to be automated. For a couple reasons. 1) Robotics haven't advanced that far yet. 2) Manual labor isn't that expensive. The incentive to automate tends to exist most wherever 1) costs are highest and 2) ease of automation is highest. Automating a plumber or an electrician, for example, will be a very tough task. It'll happen, but towards the end. And gamefaqs isn't a good forum for anything beyond a 101 discussion. With regards to UBI, you should read the book "Basic Income: A Radical Proposal for a Free Society and a Sane Economy." UBI is intended to supply people with access to basic needs, yes, but it has additional effects like enabling people to safely pursue education, more desirable jobs, etc. Which indirectly leads to people earning more than just the UBI. In any case, think about how cheap mass-produced goods are compared with hand-made goods. Cars, computers, phones...all very cheap considering what they enable you to do and considering how much more expensive they used to be. It'll be the same with medicine and treatment, which means that they'll fall under the umbrella of "basic and accessible needs" --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878532730] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShinyMasamuneZ posted...</cite> <quote>Most predictions about the automation of labor predict that the physical labor jobs that able-bodied people are required for will be the first to go. Industries involving manufacturing, construction, and mining are already or within the next decade or so, will be the first off the map. The size of the job pool is going to decrease as automation increases -- likely faster as automation has the potential to due multiple tasks as once. I find your analysis of automation to be very "Equations 101". You consider only the base effect without considering the literally millions of factors and players that come into play in real life. It's like modeling the trajectory of a projectile without considering air resistance, object size, launch method or object rotation. The basic outline gives you a good enough idea of what can happen, but without considering the other factors, your accuracy is greatly diminished. I also reject the notion that a UBI will allow a person to have everything they need or want. The UBI is to supply a person with a bare minimum for food, shelter, clothing and communications, but luxuries and other expenses are generally going to fall outside that sphere of influence.</quote> I'm pretty confident that physical jobs will be the last ones to be automated. For a couple reasons. 1) Robotics haven't advanced that far yet. 2) Manual labor isn't that expensive. The incentive to automate tends to exist most wherever 1) costs are highest and 2) ease of automation is highest. Automating a plumber or an electrician, for example, will be a very tough task. It'll happen, but towards the end. And gamefaqs isn't a good forum for anything beyond a 101 discussion. With regards to UBI, you should read the book "Basic Income: A Radical Proposal for a Free Society and a Sane Economy." UBI is intended to supply people with access to basic needs, yes, but it has additional effects like enabling people to safely pursue education, more desirable jobs, etc. Which indirectly leads to people earning more than just the UBI. In any case, think about how cheap mass-produced goods are compared with hand-made goods. Cars, computers, phones...all very cheap considering what they enable you to do and considering how much more expensive they used to be. It'll be the same with medicine and treatment, which means that they'll fall under the umbrella of "basic and accessible needs"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/05/17 2:47:17 PM #145:	sktgamer_13dude posted... Holy fuck was that so hard to do? Also, can you make a post without being a condescending asshole or no? Anyway, back to the topic at hand, while I can see how having robots do shit sounds enticing, how exactly are you going to implement a UBI? How exactly are we going to decide on a number? Where is the funding coming from? Again, this is why I dislike automation. Also, if machines are diagnosing and performing surgeries, wouldn't that start to take away jobs from doctors? So now you want to take away jobs from medical professionals and from the low skill workers? The only jobs left will be the tech industry until someone creates a robot that will do r&d and, then boom, rip your job too. The idea is to eliminate as many jobs as possible, so that humanity can move into a post-work society. It doesn't matter if my job or your job or a doctor's job disappears. If we were to worry about that, we'd also have to get rid of farming machines and bring back manual labor. But everyone knows that'd be stupid. It's the same with using the fear of losing jobs as a deterrent to automating healthcare or any industry - it's just stupid, because we can have better results for less cost. Meaning everyone has a higher standard of living. For UBI implementation details, the details aren't known and I don't have a concrete answer. But I do think it's 1) possible 2) achievable 3) and beneficial to everyone to have one. --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878532866] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>Holy fuck was that so hard to do? Also, can you make a post without being a condescending asshole or no? Anyway, back to the topic at hand, while I can see how having robots do shit sounds enticing, how exactly are you going to implement a UBI? How exactly are we going to decide on a number? Where is the funding coming from? Again, this is why I dislike automation. Also, if machines are diagnosing and performing surgeries, wouldn't that start to take away jobs from doctors? So now you want to take away jobs from medical professionals and from the low skill workers? The only jobs left will be the tech industry until someone creates a robot that will do r&d and, then boom, rip your job too.</quote> The idea is to eliminate as many jobs as possible, so that humanity can move into a post-work society. It doesn't matter if my job or your job or a doctor's job disappears. If we were to worry about that, we'd also have to get rid of farming machines and bring back manual labor. But everyone knows that'd be stupid. It's the same with using the fear of losing jobs as a deterrent to automating healthcare or any industry - it's just stupid, because we can have better results for less cost. Meaning everyone has a higher standard of living. For UBI implementation details, the details aren't known and I don't have a concrete answer. But I do think it's 1) possible 2) achievable 3) and beneficial to everyone to have one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Will 05/05/17 2:47:34 PM #146:	meingott posted... The incentive to automate tends to exist most wherever 1) costs are highest and 2) ease of automation is highest. Automating a plumber or an electrician, for example, will be a very tough task. It'll happen, but towards the end. Those are more specialized and dynamic. I think he means more basic laborers or setting the foundations of a structure's electrical and plumbing systems. --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:878532883] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>The incentive to automate tends to exist most wherever 1) costs are highest and 2) ease of automation is highest. Automating a plumber or an electrician, for example, will be a very tough task. It'll happen, but towards the end. </quote> Those are more specialized and dynamic. I think he means more basic laborers or setting the foundations of a structure's electrical and plumbing systems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/05/17 2:50:03 PM #147:	But where exactly is that money coming from? What are people going to do? You want to lower taxes and then come up with this UBI plan that the government has no money for. Like, I'm baffled. How you don't understand his disconnect is quite fascinating. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:878533029] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote>But where exactly is that money coming from? What are people going to do? You want to lower taxes and then come up with this UBI plan that the government has no money for. Like, I'm baffled. How you don't understand his disconnect is quite fascinating.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/05/17 2:50:40 PM #148:	Sir Will posted... meingott posted... The incentive to automate tends to exist most wherever 1) costs are highest and 2) ease of automation is highest. Automating a plumber or an electrician, for example, will be a very tough task. It'll happen, but towards the end. Those are more specialized and dynamic. I think he means more basic laborers or setting the foundations of a structure's electrical and plumbing systems. If it's menial and expensive, it'll definitely be automated. And good riddance, too. It's time to look beyond a society where people's basic needs are met through stressful menial labor rather than abundant leveraged technology and science. --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878533061] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sir Will posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>The incentive to automate tends to exist most wherever 1) costs are highest and 2) ease of automation is highest. Automating a plumber or an electrician, for example, will be a very tough task. It'll happen, but towards the end. </quote> Those are more specialized and dynamic. I think he means more basic laborers or setting the foundations of a structure's electrical and plumbing systems.</quote> If it's menial and expensive, it'll definitely be automated. And good riddance, too. It's time to look beyond a society where people's basic needs are met through stressful menial labor rather than abundant leveraged technology and science.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/05/17 2:51:40 PM #149:	sktgamer_13dude posted... But where exactly is that money coming from? What are people going to do? You want to lower taxes and then come up with this UBI plan that the government has no money for. Like, I'm baffled. How you don't understand his disconnect is quite fascinating. There is no disconnect. Wealth can be generated. The market grows in value. What do you think will happen once humans successfully mine the first asteroid? Some of those asteroids are worth hundreds of trillions of dollars because of the precious metals in them. The money will come from massive increases in productivity and technology. New wealth will be generated. Edit: And the idea is that with time, we'll have robots that do most of the work. And our efforts will just be to maintain the robots. Which means we can be a post-money society. --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878533117] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>But where exactly is that money coming from? What are people going to do? You want to lower taxes and then come up with this UBI plan that the government has no money for. Like, I'm baffled. How you don't understand his disconnect is quite fascinating.</quote> There is no disconnect. Wealth can be generated. The market grows in value. What do you think will happen once humans successfully mine the first asteroid? Some of those asteroids are worth hundreds of trillions of dollars because of the precious metals in them. The money will come from massive increases in productivity and technology. New wealth will be generated. Edit: And the idea is that with time, we'll have robots that do most of the work. And our efforts will just be to maintain the robots. Which means we can be a post-money society.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShinyMasamuneZ 05/05/17 2:54:02 PM #150:	meingott posted... Which means we can be a post-money society. Sounds like some lefty hippie crap to me. --- Currently Playing: Breath of the Wild Recently Finished: Final Fantasy XV, Dark Cloud, Specter Knight <cite>ShinyMasamuneZ posted [p:878533268] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Which means we can be a post-money society.</quote> Sounds like some lefty hippie crap to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 05/05/17 2:55:07 PM #151:	ShinyMasamuneZ posted... meingott posted... Which means we can be a post-money society. Sounds like some lefty hippie crap to me. Have you considered getting your ears checked? --- meingott <cite>meingott posted [p:878533352] in List of 'p... [t:75312561]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShinyMasamuneZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Which means we can be a post-money society.</quote> Sounds like some lefty hippie crap to me.</quote> Have you considered getting your ears checked?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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