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xBloodBrotherx 05/01/17 3:20:58 AM #102:	Haldol posted... xBloodBrotherx posted... apocalyptic_4 posted... People saying no don't have children Most of the people saying yes don't have children so it seems pretty fair in that regard anyways. So everyone is full of shit?? You don't need to have your own kids to know child abuse is wrong. Just like you don't have to have your own kids to be a shitty potential parent that would abuse their kids if they had them. --- The above post is literally and objectively right. <cite>xBloodBrotherx posted [p:878244188] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>Haldol posted...</cite> <quote><cite>xBloodBrotherx posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>apocalyptic_4 posted...</cite> <quote> People saying no don't have children </quote> Most of the people saying yes don't have children so it seems pretty fair in that regard anyways.</quote> So everyone is full of shit??</quote> You don't need to have your own kids to know child abuse is wrong. Just like you don't have to have your own kids to be a shitty potential parent that would abuse their kids if they had them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
apocalyptic_4 05/01/17 3:22:56 AM #103:	xBloodBrotherx posted... Haldol posted... xBloodBrotherx posted... apocalyptic_4 posted... People saying no don't have children Most of the people saying yes don't have children so it seems pretty fair in that regard anyways. So everyone is full of shit?? You don't need to have your own kids to know child abuse is wrong. Just like you don't have to have your own kids to be a shitty potential parent that would abuse their kids if they had them. So you don't have kids, ok. --- PSN: Adrian396 XBL: Prime Legacy Nintendo ID: Apocalypse <cite>apocalyptic_4 posted [p:878244238] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>xBloodBrotherx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Haldol posted...</cite> <quote><cite>xBloodBrotherx posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>apocalyptic_4 posted...</cite> <quote> People saying no don't have children </quote> Most of the people saying yes don't have children so it seems pretty fair in that regard anyways.</quote> So everyone is full of shit??</quote> You don't need to have your own kids to know child abuse is wrong. Just like you don't have to have your own kids to be a shitty potential parent that would abuse their kids if they had them.</quote> So you don't have kids, ok.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos 05/01/17 3:24:19 AM #104:	What is it with spanking, circumcision, and abortion where people can't make their points without exaggerating the shit so it sounds worse? --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:878244278] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote>What is it with spanking, circumcision, and abortion where people can't make their points without exaggerating the shit so it sounds worse?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xBloodBrotherx 05/01/17 3:37:42 AM #105:	apocalyptic_4 posted... xBloodBrotherx posted... Haldol posted... xBloodBrotherx posted... apocalyptic_4 posted... People saying no don't have children Most of the people saying yes don't have children so it seems pretty fair in that regard anyways. So everyone is full of shit?? You don't need to have your own kids to know child abuse is wrong. Just like you don't have to have your own kids to be a shitty potential parent that would abuse their kids if they had them. So you don't have kids, ok. Never had kids of my own but I had custody of my little cousin from age 3 to 8. He was definitely a problem child and had terrible behavior, with my mom's help we completely turned his behavior around and fixed all his bad habits without ever laying a hand on him because we're not disgusting child abusers. If you have kids and decide to do the lazy shitty parents thing to do then that's your choice but don't pretend you aren't being a lazy shitty parents. shnangyboos posted... What is it with spanking, circumcision, and abortion where people can't make their points without exaggerating the shit so it sounds worse? What about it being child abuse? Look at the studies posted ITT and ask professionals. That's exactly what it is. --- The above post is literally and objectively right. <cite>xBloodBrotherx posted [p:878244601] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>apocalyptic_4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>xBloodBrotherx posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Haldol posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>xBloodBrotherx posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>apocalyptic_4 posted...</cite> <quote> People saying no don't have children </quote> Most of the people saying yes don't have children so it seems pretty fair in that regard anyways. </quote> So everyone is full of shit?? </quote> You don't need to have your own kids to know child abuse is wrong. Just like you don't have to have your own kids to be a shitty potential parent that would abuse their kids if they had them.</quote> So you don't have kids, ok.</quote> Never had kids of my own but I had custody of my little cousin from age 3 to 8. He was definitely a problem child and had terrible behavior, with my mom's help we completely turned his behavior around and fixed all his bad habits without ever laying a hand on him because we're not disgusting child abusers. If you have kids and decide to do the lazy shitty parents thing to do then that's your choice but don't pretend you aren't being a lazy shitty parents. <cite>shnangyboos posted...</cite> <quote>What is it with spanking, circumcision, and abortion where people can't make their points without exaggerating the shit so it sounds worse?</quote> What about it being child abuse? Look at the studies posted ITT and ask professionals. That's exactly what it is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManWithGun 05/01/17 3:41:13 AM #106:	xBloodBrotherx posted... apocalyptic_4 posted... xBloodBrotherx posted... Haldol posted... xBloodBrotherx posted... apocalyptic_4 posted... People saying no don't have children Most of the people saying yes don't have children so it seems pretty fair in that regard anyways. So everyone is full of shit?? You don't need to have your own kids to know child abuse is wrong. Just like you don't have to have your own kids to be a shitty potential parent that would abuse their kids if they had them. So you don't have kids, ok. Never had kids of my own but I had custody of my little cousin from age 3 to 8. He was definitely a problem child and had terrible behavior, with my mom's help we completely turned his behavior around and fixed all his bad habits without ever laying a hand on him because we're not disgusting child abusers. If you have kids and decide to do the lazy shitty parents thing to do then that's your choice but don't pretend you aren't being a lazy shitty parents. shnangyboos posted... What is it with spanking, circumcision, and abortion where people can't make their points without exaggerating the shit so it sounds worse? What about it being child abuse? Look at the studies posted ITT and ask professionals. That's exactly what it is. Shut the fuck up. Your one experience speaks for hundreds of thousands of kids. --- Heeeey <cite>ManWithGun posted [p:878244670] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>xBloodBrotherx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>apocalyptic_4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>xBloodBrotherx posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Haldol posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>xBloodBrotherx posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>apocalyptic_4 posted...</cite> <quote> People saying no don't have children </quote> Most of the people saying yes don't have children so it seems pretty fair in that regard anyways. </quote> So everyone is full of shit?? </quote> You don't need to have your own kids to know child abuse is wrong. Just like you don't have to have your own kids to be a shitty potential parent that would abuse their kids if they had them.</quote> So you don't have kids, ok.</quote> Never had kids of my own but I had custody of my little cousin from age 3 to 8. He was definitely a problem child and had terrible behavior, with my mom's help we completely turned his behavior around and fixed all his bad habits without ever laying a hand on him because we're not disgusting child abusers. If you have kids and decide to do the lazy shitty parents thing to do then that's your choice but don't pretend you aren't being a lazy shitty parents. <cite>shnangyboos posted...</cite> <quote>What is it with spanking, circumcision, and abortion where people can't make their points without exaggerating the shit so it sounds worse?</quote> What about it being child abuse? Look at the studies posted ITT and ask professionals. That's exactly what it is.</quote> Shut the fuck up. Your one experience speaks for hundreds of thousands of kids.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
loafy013 05/01/17 3:41:25 AM #107:	You ever think about how these studies can easily be interpreted another way? Maybe all those kids were fucked up in the first place, and that is why their parents spanked them. --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. <cite>loafy013 posted [p:878244678] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote>You ever think about how these studies can easily be interpreted another way? Maybe all those kids were fucked up in the first place, and that is why their parents spanked them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xBloodBrotherx 05/01/17 3:50:01 AM #108:	ManWithGun posted... Shut the fuck up. Your one experience speaks for hundreds of thousands of kids. Really surprising so many people here are trying so hard support child abuse. If your kid has issues severe enough where traditional and non abusive parenting doesn't work then they need to see a specialist and get help, not be abused. Plus lol at the irony. You guys are arguing that you were fine after being abused, your kids are fine after you abused them, or some other kids you know ate fine after being abused therefore it's a perfectly valid and healthy way if parenting. It isn't, it's abuse and it's disgusting. You should feel like a piece of shit if you support child abuse. loafy013 posted... You ever think about how these studies can easily be interpreted another way? Maybe all those kids were fucked up in the first place, and that is why their parents spanked them. If that's the case then maybe if the parents got them help instead of abusing them then they wouldn't still be that way. --- The above post is literally and objectively right. <cite>xBloodBrotherx posted [p:878244892] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>ManWithGun posted...</cite> <quote>Shut the fuck up. Your one experience speaks for hundreds of thousands of kids.</quote> Really surprising so many people here are trying so hard support child abuse. If your kid has issues severe enough where traditional and non abusive parenting doesn't work then they need to see a specialist and get help, not be abused. Plus lol at the irony. You guys are arguing that you were fine after being abused, your kids are fine after you abused them, or some other kids you know ate fine after being abused therefore it's a perfectly valid and healthy way if parenting. It isn't, it's abuse and it's disgusting. You should feel like a piece of shit if you support child abuse. <cite>loafy013 posted...</cite> <quote>You ever think about how these studies can easily be interpreted another way? Maybe all those kids were fucked up in the first place, and that is why their parents spanked them.</quote> If that's the case then maybe if the parents got them help instead of abusing them then they wouldn't still be that way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cornmuffins 05/01/17 4:12:21 AM #109:	ManWithGun posted... Tbf your limited experience as a young parent is changing diapers and making sure the toddler goes potty right --- Getting C's and D's, saying thanks and please. You broke the golden rule, you're staying after school. <cite>Cornmuffins posted [p:878245382] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>ManWithGun posted...</cite> Tbf your limited experience as a young parent is changing diapers and making sure the toddler goes potty right</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FF_Redux 05/01/17 4:48:25 AM #110:	No, its illegal and for weak parents that take the lazy way out to dicipline their badly raised kid --- http://i.imgur.com/hRsG4.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Z4cir.gif http://i.imgur.com/qEyGS.gif http://i.imgur.com/37KDT.gif <cite>FF_Redux posted [p:878246084] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote>No, its illegal and for weak parents that take the lazy way out to dicipline their badly raised kid</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 05/01/17 5:00:47 AM #111:	To be honest spanking is fine as a last resort. I can count the number of times my parents spanked me on one hand. I only go it when I did something very very bad. And I would say that I am well adjusted and not violent at all If poor little kids can't take a few taps to the butt without getting "psychologically damaged" then they are screwed. The amount of shit this world puts you through, you have to be stronger than that --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:878246305] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote>To be honest spanking is fine as a last resort. I can count the number of times my parents spanked me on one hand. I only go it when I did something very very bad. And I would say that I am well adjusted and not violent at all If poor little kids can't take a few taps to the butt without getting "psychologically damaged" then they are screwed. The amount of shit this world puts you through, you have to be stronger than that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
im not 13 05/01/17 5:02:39 AM #112:	I don't want to, but if they are acting up best believe I will I'm not going to beat them black and blue I'm not a psycho but yeah --- http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m510t9eNw71r2yd8o.jpg <cite>im not 13 posted [p:878246344] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote>I don't want to, but if they are acting up best believe I will I'm not going to beat them black and blue I'm not a psycho but yeah</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RockRapDubstep 05/01/17 5:03:42 AM #113:	StealthRock posted... To be honest spanking is fine as a last resort. If poor little kids can't take a few taps to the butt without getting "psychologically damaged" then they are screwed. The amount of s*** this world puts you through, you have to be strong When the person who controls your entire life and is supposed to love you more than anything and never hurts you starts associating teaching you lessons by hitting you then that tends to have ways it can manifest into other issues or toxic behavior... --- in response to how much CJayC made selling GameFAQs Rumor has it that CBS put his money on a train and he's having trouble following it - Tropicalwood <cite>RockRapDubstep posted [p:878246367] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>To be honest spanking is fine as a last resort. If poor little kids can't take a few taps to the butt without getting "psychologically damaged" then they are screwed. The amount of s*** this world puts you through, you have to be strong</quote> When the person who controls your entire life and is supposed to love you more than anything and never hurts you starts associating teaching you lessons by hitting you then that tends to have ways it can manifest into other issues or toxic behavior...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
im not 13 05/01/17 5:11:46 AM #114:	RockRapDubstep posted... When the person who controls your entire life and is supposed to love you more than anything and never hurts you starts associating teaching you lessons by hitting you then that tends to have ways it can manifest into other issues or toxic behavior... Or when you feel like you can take advantage of the person that is supposed to love you more than anything you may feel that you can get away with anything A child isn't a friend. If he/she respects they get respect back if they don't they deserved to be punished. --- http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m510t9eNw71r2yd8o.jpg <cite>im not 13 posted [p:878246487] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>RockRapDubstep posted...</cite> <quote>When the person who controls your entire life and is supposed to love you more than anything and never hurts you starts associating teaching you lessons by hitting you then that tends to have ways it can manifest into other issues or toxic behavior...</quote> Or when you feel like you can take advantage of the person that is supposed to love you more than anything you may feel that you can get away with anything A child isn't a friend. If he/she respects they get respect back if they don't they deserved to be punished.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
M-Watcher 05/01/17 5:21:44 AM #115:	I voted no (don't have children), but in really extreme circumstances I might hit them. Consecutive hits seems unnecessary to me, however, the kid should get the message after one. There is a pretty valid chance that my hypothetical future child will be much like me, so I doubt I would reach a point of actually becoming physical, considering I was not a problem child myself (and being yelled at was effective enough for me). I can't account for what genes and behaviors would be passed down from the hypothetical mother, of course. --- NNID: MWatcher27 / 3DS FC: 1203 - 9408 - 2283 http://steamcommunity.com/id/MWatcher/wishlist <cite>M-Watcher posted [p:878246660] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote>I voted no (don't have children), but in really extreme circumstances I might hit them. Consecutive hits seems unnecessary to me, however, the kid should get the message after one. There is a pretty valid chance that my hypothetical future child will be much like me, so I doubt I would reach a point of actually becoming physical, considering I was not a problem child myself (and being yelled at was effective enough for me). I can't account for what genes and behaviors would be passed down from the hypothetical mother, of course.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos 05/01/17 5:23:38 AM #116:	xBloodBrotherx posted... apocalyptic_4 posted... xBloodBrotherx posted... Haldol posted... xBloodBrotherx posted... apocalyptic_4 posted... People saying no don't have children Most of the people saying yes don't have children so it seems pretty fair in that regard anyways. So everyone is full of shit?? You don't need to have your own kids to know child abuse is wrong. Just like you don't have to have your own kids to be a shitty potential parent that would abuse their kids if they had them. So you don't have kids, ok. Never had kids of my own but I had custody of my little cousin from age 3 to 8. He was definitely a problem child and had terrible behavior, with my mom's help we completely turned his behavior around and fixed all his bad habits without ever laying a hand on him because we're not disgusting child abusers. If you have kids and decide to do the lazy shitty parents thing to do then that's your choice but don't pretend you aren't being a lazy shitty parents. shnangyboos posted... What is it with spanking, circumcision, and abortion where people can't make their points without exaggerating the shit so it sounds worse? What about it being child abuse? Look at the studies posted ITT and ask professionals. That's exactly what it is. You know yelling at your kids could also technically be called abuse as well. --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:878246702] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>xBloodBrotherx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>apocalyptic_4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>xBloodBrotherx posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Haldol posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>xBloodBrotherx posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>apocalyptic_4 posted...</cite> <quote> People saying no don't have children </quote> Most of the people saying yes don't have children so it seems pretty fair in that regard anyways. </quote> So everyone is full of shit?? </quote> You don't need to have your own kids to know child abuse is wrong. Just like you don't have to have your own kids to be a shitty potential parent that would abuse their kids if they had them.</quote> So you don't have kids, ok.</quote> Never had kids of my own but I had custody of my little cousin from age 3 to 8. He was definitely a problem child and had terrible behavior, with my mom's help we completely turned his behavior around and fixed all his bad habits without ever laying a hand on him because we're not disgusting child abusers. If you have kids and decide to do the lazy shitty parents thing to do then that's your choice but don't pretend you aren't being a lazy shitty parents. <cite>shnangyboos posted...</cite> <quote>What is it with spanking, circumcision, and abortion where people can't make their points without exaggerating the shit so it sounds worse?</quote> What about it being child abuse? Look at the studies posted ITT and ask professionals. That's exactly what it is.</quote> You know yelling at your kids could also technically be called abuse as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RockRapDubstep 05/01/17 5:37:08 AM #117:	im not 13 posted... RockRapDubstep posted... When the person who controls your entire life and is supposed to love you more than anything and never hurts you starts associating teaching you lessons by hitting you then that tends to have ways it can manifest into other issues or toxic behavior... Or when you feel like you can take advantage of the person that is supposed to love you more than anything you may feel that you can get away with anything A child isn't a friend. If he/she respects they get respect back if they don't they deserved to be punished. There are better, healthier, and more effective ways of punishing children and having them respect. I'm actually relatively strict with kids, just because I don't feel the need to hit them when there's better ways to deal with it doesn't mean I'm a pushover rasing disrespecting, spoiled kids. I chose to deal with problems in a more healthy way. When I get strict I chose for it to come from a place of caring and love so they actually understand why things are the way they are. Not just "you did something I don't like, I'm going to hit you so you won't do it again." --- in response to how much CJayC made selling GameFAQs Rumor has it that CBS put his money on a train and he's having trouble following it - Tropicalwood <cite>RockRapDubstep posted [p:878246951] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>im not 13 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RockRapDubstep posted...</cite> <quote> When the person who controls your entire life and is supposed to love you more than anything and never hurts you starts associating teaching you lessons by hitting you then that tends to have ways it can manifest into other issues or toxic behavior...</quote> Or when you feel like you can take advantage of the person that is supposed to love you more than anything you may feel that you can get away with anything A child isn't a friend. If he/she respects they get respect back if they don't they deserved to be punished.</quote> There are better, healthier, and more effective ways of punishing children and having them respect. I'm actually relatively strict with kids, just because I don't feel the need to hit them when there's better ways to deal with it doesn't mean I'm a pushover rasing disrespecting, spoiled kids. I chose to deal with problems in a more healthy way. When I get strict I chose for it to come from a place of caring and love so they actually understand why things are the way they are. Not just "you did something I don't like, I'm going to hit you so you won't do it again."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sada_Pop 05/01/17 5:43:11 AM #118:	xBloodBrotherx posted... I feel like hitting your child is the absolute laziest form of parenting. Like you don't want to actually have to put effort into raising you kids so you just hit them whenever they do something wrong like "don't do that again" instead of just talking to them, explaining why it was wrong ~~you can do both~~ --- People would have you believe that the accusation of racism is more offensive than ACTUAL racism. <cite>Sada_Pop posted [p:878247079] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>xBloodBrotherx posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like hitting your child is the absolute laziest form of parenting. Like you don't want to actually have to put effort into raising you kids so you just hit them whenever they do something wrong like "don't do that again" instead of just talking to them, explaining why it was wrong</quote> you can do both </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
im not 13 05/01/17 5:54:07 AM #119:	RockRapDubstep posted... There are better, healthier, and more effective ways of punishing children and having them respect. I'm actually relatively strict with kids, just because I don't feel the need to hit them when there's better ways to deal with it doesn't mean I'm a pushover rasing disrespecting, spoiled kids. I chose to deal with problems in a more healthy way. When I get strict I chose for it to come from a place of caring and love so they actually understand why things are the way they are. Not just "you did something I don't like, I'm going to hit you so you won't do it again." As I said it is definitely a last resort for me. I will take time to explain why something is wrong and won't just run for a belt when they do something wrong. In a perfect world I wouldn't have to hit my kids because of my positive influence on them but there are a lot of outside factors that indirectly raise our kids. If I teach them something I believe is right yet TV/friends/internet/some other form of influence tries to tell them otherwise causing them to rebel or challenge me then the punishment gets more severe until it resorts to a spank. --- http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m510t9eNw71r2yd8o.jpg <cite>im not 13 posted [p:878247291] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>RockRapDubstep posted...</cite> <quote>There are better, healthier, and more effective ways of punishing children and having them respect. I'm actually relatively strict with kids, just because I don't feel the need to hit them when there's better ways to deal with it doesn't mean I'm a pushover rasing disrespecting, spoiled kids. I chose to deal with problems in a more healthy way. When I get strict I chose for it to come from a place of caring and love so they actually understand why things are the way they are. Not just "you did something I don't like, I'm going to hit you so you won't do it again." </quote> As I said it is definitely a last resort for me. I will take time to explain why something is wrong and won't just run for a belt when they do something wrong. In a perfect world I wouldn't have to hit my kids because of my positive influence on them but there are a lot of outside factors that indirectly raise our kids. If I teach them something I believe is right yet TV/friends/internet/some other form of influence tries to tell them otherwise causing them to rebel or challenge me then the punishment gets more severe until it resorts to a spank.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vertania 05/01/17 5:58:22 AM #120:	If spanking "works" for your child, even as a last resort, it's because you failed to effectively discourage or prevent the behavior before it got to that point. <cite>Vertania posted [p:878247399] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote>If spanking "works" for your child, even as a last resort, it's because you failed to effectively discourage or prevent the behavior before it got to that point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 05/01/17 6:00:52 AM #121:	RockRapDubstep posted... StealthRock posted... To be honest spanking is fine as a last resort. If poor little kids can't take a few taps to the butt without getting "psychologically damaged" then they are screwed. The amount of s* this world puts you through, you have to be strong When the person who controls your entire life and is supposed to love you more than anything and never hurts you starts associating teaching you lessons by hitting you then that tends to have ways it can manifest into other issues or toxic behavior... please.. the person that loves you more than anything is ok if they teach you a valuable lesson, even if it causes some pain. over coddling bullshit can do more harm than good. Not to mention you're causing pain and discomfort by grounding them and taking away possessions too... pick your poison If the person who loves you more than anything and never hurts you tries teaching you a lesson by forcing you to stay indoors for weeks then that can manifest into toxic behavior too right?? --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:878247448] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>RockRapDubstep posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>To be honest spanking is fine as a last resort. If poor little kids can't take a few taps to the butt without getting "psychologically damaged" then they are screwed. The amount of s* this world puts you through, you have to be strong</quote> When the person who controls your entire life and is supposed to love you more than anything and never hurts you starts associating teaching you lessons by hitting you then that tends to have ways it can manifest into other issues or toxic behavior...</quote> please.. the person that loves you more than anything is ok if they teach you a valuable lesson, even if it causes some pain. over coddling bullshit can do more harm than good. Not to mention you're causing pain and discomfort by grounding them and taking away possessions too... pick your poison If the person who loves you more than anything and never hurts you tries teaching you a lesson by forcing you to stay indoors for weeks then that can manifest into toxic behavior too right??</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 05/01/17 6:02:05 AM #122:	Vertania posted... If spanking "works" for your child, even as a last resort, it's because you failed to effectively discourage or prevent the behavior before it got to that point. We get it. Your read an article I'll send you your parent of the year award after you can prove that a kid you raised never ever had an issue that escalated I'll wait --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:878247471] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vertania posted...</cite> <quote>If spanking "works" for your child, even as a last resort, it's because you failed to effectively discourage or prevent the behavior before it got to that point.</quote> We get it. Your read an article I'll send you your parent of the year award after you can prove that a kid you raised never ever had an issue that escalated I'll wait</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
im not 13 05/01/17 6:04:19 AM #123:	StealthRock posted... If the person who loves you more than anything and never hurts you tries teaching you a lesson by forcing you to stay indoors for weeks then that can manifest into toxic behavior too right?? I never got grounded I just got spanked. Personally, I would rather something be quick and over with then letting something sit in my head for ages causing resentment. --- http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m510t9eNw71r2yd8o.jpg <cite>im not 13 posted [p:878247514] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote> If the person who loves you more than anything and never hurts you tries teaching you a lesson by forcing you to stay indoors for weeks then that can manifest into toxic behavior too right??</quote> I never got grounded I just got spanked. Personally, I would rather something be quick and over with then letting something sit in my head for ages causing resentment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vertania 05/01/17 6:05:12 AM #124:	StealthRock posted... We get it. Your read an article I'll send you your parent of the year award after you can prove that a kid you raised never ever had an issue that escalated I'll wait ITP: The only way to solve an escalated situation is to hit your kid. <cite>Vertania posted [p:878247535] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>We get it. Your read an article I'll send you your parent of the year award after you can prove that a kid you raised never ever had an issue that escalated I'll wait</quote> ITP: The only way to solve an escalated situation is to hit your kid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RockRapDubstep 05/01/17 6:08:03 AM #125:	StealthRock posted... RockRapDubstep posted... StealthRock posted... To be honest spanking is fine as a last resort. If poor little kids can't take a few taps to the butt without getting "psychologically damaged" then they are screwed. The amount of s* this world puts you through, you have to be strong When the person who controls your entire life and is supposed to love you more than anything and never hurts you starts associating teaching you lessons by hitting you then that tends to have ways it can manifest into other issues or toxic behavior... please.. the person that loves you more than anything is ok if they teach you a valuable lesson, even if it causes some pain. over coddling bulls* can do more harm than good. Not to mention you're causing pain and discomfort by grounding them and taking away possessions too... pick your poison If the person who loves you more than anything and never hurts you tries teaching you a lesson by forcing you to stay indoors for weeks then that can manifest into toxic behavior too right?? Lol yeah teach your kids to hit people they love. Sounds extremely healthy. And lmao at you comparing "pain and discomfort" from being grounded to getting hit. Somehow you think the only way to teach someone a lesson is to hit them. Hope you get your issues worked out buddy. --- in response to how much CJayC made selling GameFAQs Rumor has it that CBS put his money on a train and he's having trouble following it - Tropicalwood <cite>RockRapDubstep posted [p:878247578] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RockRapDubstep posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote> To be honest spanking is fine as a last resort. If poor little kids can't take a few taps to the butt without getting "psychologically damaged" then they are screwed. The amount of s* this world puts you through, you have to be strong </quote> When the person who controls your entire life and is supposed to love you more than anything and never hurts you starts associating teaching you lessons by hitting you then that tends to have ways it can manifest into other issues or toxic behavior...</quote> please.. the person that loves you more than anything is ok if they teach you a valuable lesson, even if it causes some pain. over coddling bulls* can do more harm than good. Not to mention you're causing pain and discomfort by grounding them and taking away possessions too... pick your poison If the person who loves you more than anything and never hurts you tries teaching you a lesson by forcing you to stay indoors for weeks then that can manifest into toxic behavior too right??</quote> Lol yeah teach your kids to hit people they love. Sounds extremely healthy. And lmao at you comparing "pain and discomfort" from being grounded to getting hit. Somehow you think the only way to teach someone a lesson is to hit them. Hope you get your issues worked out buddy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 05/01/17 6:10:33 AM #126:	Vertania posted... StealthRock posted... We get it. Your read an article I'll send you your parent of the year award after you can prove that a kid you raised never ever had an issue that escalated I'll wait ITP: The only way to solve an escalated situation is to hit your kid. I never said that. but keep trying, you might make a point eventually I was referring to your ridiculous assertion that a parent who strikes a misbehaving child has failed as a parent. And thus I'm asking you to produce some evidence that you are an expert at controlling child hood behaviors at all times. --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:878247622] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vertania posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>We get it. Your read an article I'll send you your parent of the year award after you can prove that a kid you raised never ever had an issue that escalated I'll wait</quote> ITP: The only way to solve an escalated situation is to hit your kid.</quote> I never said that. but keep trying, you might make a point eventually I was referring to your ridiculous assertion that a parent who strikes a misbehaving child has failed as a parent. And thus I'm asking you to produce some evidence that you are an expert at controlling child hood behaviors at all times.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos 05/01/17 6:11:22 AM #127:	StealthRock posted... Vertania posted... If spanking "works" for your child, even as a last resort, it's because you failed to effectively discourage or prevent the behavior before it got to that point. We get it. Your read an article I'll send you your parent of the year award after you can prove that a kid you raised never ever had an issue that escalated I'll wait It's a pretty fucking smug attitude. Like, as long as you do all the right things (whatever the fuck they are), your kid will be well behaved and never get in trouble. Kids have minds of their own, and they do shit that they know they shouldn't. You can instill all the values you want, but kids still make choices they know are wrong. And don't confuse my post with supporting spanking. --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:878247638] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vertania posted...</cite> <quote>If spanking "works" for your child, even as a last resort, it's because you failed to effectively discourage or prevent the behavior before it got to that point.</quote> We get it. Your read an article I'll send you your parent of the year award after you can prove that a kid you raised never ever had an issue that escalated I'll wait</quote> It's a pretty fucking smug attitude. Like, as long as you do all the right things (whatever the fuck they are), your kid will be well behaved and never get in trouble. Kids have minds of their own, and they do shit that they know they shouldn't. You can instill all the values you want, but kids still make choices they know are wrong. And don't confuse my post with supporting spanking.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 05/01/17 6:11:50 AM #128:	RockRapDubstep posted... StealthRock posted... RockRapDubstep posted... StealthRock posted... To be honest spanking is fine as a last resort. If poor little kids can't take a few taps to the butt without getting "psychologically damaged" then they are screwed. The amount of s* this world puts you through, you have to be strong When the person who controls your entire life and is supposed to love you more than anything and never hurts you starts associating teaching you lessons by hitting you then that tends to have ways it can manifest into other issues or toxic behavior... please.. the person that loves you more than anything is ok if they teach you a valuable lesson, even if it causes some pain. over coddling bulls* can do more harm than good. Not to mention you're causing pain and discomfort by grounding them and taking away possessions too... pick your poison If the person who loves you more than anything and never hurts you tries teaching you a lesson by forcing you to stay indoors for weeks then that can manifest into toxic behavior too right?? Lol yeah teach your kids to hit people they love. Sounds extremely healthy. And lmao at you comparing "pain and discomfort" from being grounded to getting hit. Somehow you think the only way to teach someone a lesson is to hit them. Hope you get your issues worked out buddy. It's hard to discuss anything with people who can't argue logically and instead exaggerate everything like drama queens --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:878247647] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>RockRapDubstep posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RockRapDubstep posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote> To be honest spanking is fine as a last resort. If poor little kids can't take a few taps to the butt without getting "psychologically damaged" then they are screwed. The amount of s* this world puts you through, you have to be strong </quote> When the person who controls your entire life and is supposed to love you more than anything and never hurts you starts associating teaching you lessons by hitting you then that tends to have ways it can manifest into other issues or toxic behavior...</quote> please.. the person that loves you more than anything is ok if they teach you a valuable lesson, even if it causes some pain. over coddling bulls* can do more harm than good. Not to mention you're causing pain and discomfort by grounding them and taking away possessions too... pick your poison If the person who loves you more than anything and never hurts you tries teaching you a lesson by forcing you to stay indoors for weeks then that can manifest into toxic behavior too right??</quote> Lol yeah teach your kids to hit people they love. Sounds extremely healthy. And lmao at you comparing "pain and discomfort" from being grounded to getting hit. Somehow you think the only way to teach someone a lesson is to hit them. Hope you get your issues worked out buddy.</quote> It's hard to discuss anything with people who can't argue logically and instead exaggerate everything like drama queens</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
im not 13 05/01/17 6:12:28 AM #129:	RockRapDubstep posted... Lol yeah teach your kids to hit people they love. Sounds extremely healthy. lol yeah, locking your kid in a room for a few days because he made a mistake. Sounds extremely healthy. I'm not even saying being grounded is wrong but you comparing hitting a random person to spanking your child is just lol. --- http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m510t9eNw71r2yd8o.jpg <cite>im not 13 posted [p:878247658] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>RockRapDubstep posted...</cite> <quote>Lol yeah teach your kids to hit people they love. Sounds extremely healthy.</quote> lol yeah, locking your kid in a room for a few days because he made a mistake. Sounds extremely healthy. I'm not even saying being grounded is wrong but you comparing hitting a random person to spanking your child is just lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vertania 05/01/17 6:26:52 AM #130:	StealthRock posted... I never said that. but keep trying, you might make a point eventually I was referring to your ridiculous assertion that a parent who strikes a misbehaving child has failed as a parent. And thus I'm asking you to produce some evidence that you are an expert at controlling child hood behaviors at all times. I know you're not genuinely asking that, but I was able to control rooms full of 15-30 kids 8 hours a day for 3+ years without hitting them. I also studied child psychology for years in college and have been raising my fiance's neice and nephew for the last 7 months. It's pretty obvious when a parent spanks their kid, then leaves you to watch them btw. They're the ones that act out when they're in a setting where they know they don't have to fear being hit. With the 6 year old nephew I've been raising and by watching my parents raise my step-brother, it's easy to see how shitty parenting techniques lead to bad behaviors. If you're actually consistent and realistic with your punishments, you can deter a lot of behavior that way. Granted it's much harder to fix a bad behavior once you've already taught it to the kid. <cite>Vertania posted [p:878247953] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>I never said that. but keep trying, you might make a point eventually I was referring to your ridiculous assertion that a parent who strikes a misbehaving child has failed as a parent. And thus I'm asking you to produce some evidence that you are an expert at controlling child hood behaviors at all times.</quote> I know you're not genuinely asking that, but I was able to control rooms full of 15-30 kids 8 hours a day for 3+ years without hitting them. I also studied child psychology for years in college and have been raising my fiance's neice and nephew for the last 7 months. It's pretty obvious when a parent spanks their kid, then leaves you to watch them btw. They're the ones that act out when they're in a setting where they know they don't have to fear being hit. With the 6 year old nephew I've been raising and by watching my parents raise my step-brother, it's easy to see how shitty parenting techniques lead to bad behaviors. If you're actually consistent and realistic with your punishments, you can deter a lot of behavior that way. Granted it's much harder to fix a bad behavior once you've already taught it to the kid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
im not 13 05/01/17 6:40:33 AM #131:	Vertania posted... I know you're not genuinely asking that, but I was able to control rooms full of 15-30 kids 8 hours a day for 3+ years without hitting them. I also studied child psychology for years in college and have been raising my fiance's neice and nephew for the last 7 months. It's pretty obvious when a parent spanks their kid, then leaves you to watch them btw. They're the ones that act out when they're in a setting where they know they don't have to fear being hit. With the 6 year old nephew I've been raising and by watching my parents raise my step-brother, it's easy to see how shitty parenting techniques lead to bad behaviors. If you're actually consistent and realistic with your punishments, you can deter a lot of behavior that way. Granted it's much harder to fix a bad behavior once you've already taught it to the kid. I certainly do not have a college degree but I have looked after numerous amount of children myself and it goes without saying I will NEVER spank a child that isn't mine...that is way beyond my responsibility. However I can tell kids that haven't been disciplined much. They shout and scream when things don't go their way and when I explain it to their parents they just give me the "boys will be boys" type of look...that completely baffles me. Bad behaviour doesn't just stem from the parents...it's up to them to decide how to treat something that has been picked up. If they don't and want their kid to be a "free spirit" then good for them. That's not going to fly in my house. --- http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m510t9eNw71r2yd8o.jpg <cite>im not 13 posted [p:878248204] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vertania posted...</cite> <quote>I know you're not genuinely asking that, but I was able to control rooms full of 15-30 kids 8 hours a day for 3+ years without hitting them. I also studied child psychology for years in college and have been raising my fiance's neice and nephew for the last 7 months. It's pretty obvious when a parent spanks their kid, then leaves you to watch them btw. They're the ones that act out when they're in a setting where they know they don't have to fear being hit. With the 6 year old nephew I've been raising and by watching my parents raise my step-brother, it's easy to see how shitty parenting techniques lead to bad behaviors. If you're actually consistent and realistic with your punishments, you can deter a lot of behavior that way. Granted it's much harder to fix a bad behavior once you've already taught it to the kid.</quote> I certainly do not have a college degree but I have looked after numerous amount of children myself and it goes without saying I will NEVER spank a child that isn't mine...that is way beyond my responsibility. However I can tell kids that haven't been disciplined much. They shout and scream when things don't go their way and when I explain it to their parents they just give me the "boys will be boys" type of look...that completely baffles me. Bad behaviour doesn't just stem from the parents...it's up to them to decide how to treat something that has been picked up. If they don't and want their kid to be a "free spirit" then good for them. That's not going to fly in my house.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vertania 05/01/17 6:46:30 AM #133:	im not 13 posted... However I can tell kids that haven't been disciplined much. They shout and scream when things don't go their way and when I explain it to their parents they just give me the "boys will be boys" type of look...that completely baffles me. That's true too. Complete lack of discipline is a shitty substitute for spanking. Discipline is very important, but there are much better ways to do that than spanking. There really aren't any scenarios that can't be solved by either using a more effective form of discipline or taking steps to prevent triggering the behavior before it happens. <cite>Vertania posted [p:878248320] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>im not 13 posted...</cite> <quote>However I can tell kids that haven't been disciplined much. They shout and scream when things don't go their way and when I explain it to their parents they just give me the "boys will be boys" type of look...that completely baffles me.</quote> That's true too. Complete lack of discipline is a shitty substitute for spanking. Discipline is very important, but there are much better ways to do that than spanking. There really aren't any scenarios that can't be solved by either using a more effective form of discipline or taking steps to prevent triggering the behavior before it happens.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 05/01/17 7:06:14 AM #134:	Vertania posted... StealthRock posted... I never said that. but keep trying, you might make a point eventually I was referring to your ridiculous assertion that a parent who strikes a misbehaving child has failed as a parent. And thus I'm asking you to produce some evidence that you are an expert at controlling child hood behaviors at all times. I know you're not genuinely asking that, but I was able to control rooms full of 15-30 kids 8 hours a day for 3+ years without hitting them. I also studied child psychology for years in college and have been raising my fiance's neice and nephew for the last 7 months. It's pretty obvious when a parent spanks their kid, then leaves you to watch them btw. They're the ones that act out when they're in a setting where they know they don't have to fear being hit. With the 6 year old nephew I've been raising and by watching my parents raise my step-brother, it's easy to see how shitty parenting techniques lead to bad behaviors. If you're actually consistent and realistic with your punishments, you can deter a lot of behavior that way. Granted it's much harder to fix a bad behavior once you've already taught it to the kid. There's a difference between watching kids for a few hours versus having to raise them as you know. Kids will get into entirely different situations at school versus at home..plus you can't legally spank them anyway.. I too used to have to control rooms fulls of children, and did so without hitting them. But I can tell which ones ran their households and which one's parent's taught them right. I will say the the ones who misbehave probably don't get disciplined much at all. Spanking or otherwise Not to mention, those kids who act out may be do so due to other factors as well as being spanked too much. Shitty parenting is more broad than just spanking vs not spanking. I'm not saying that spanking can't be over done. I know parents who hit their kids over every minor annoyance, and that is sickening to me as well. Any punishment can be overused. But spanking does not "damage" a child if used appropriately. And In some kids, it is a respectable deterrent. --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:878248713] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vertania posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>I never said that. but keep trying, you might make a point eventually I was referring to your ridiculous assertion that a parent who strikes a misbehaving child has failed as a parent. And thus I'm asking you to produce some evidence that you are an expert at controlling child hood behaviors at all times.</quote> I know you're not genuinely asking that, but I was able to control rooms full of 15-30 kids 8 hours a day for 3+ years without hitting them. I also studied child psychology for years in college and have been raising my fiance's neice and nephew for the last 7 months. It's pretty obvious when a parent spanks their kid, then leaves you to watch them btw. They're the ones that act out when they're in a setting where they know they don't have to fear being hit. With the 6 year old nephew I've been raising and by watching my parents raise my step-brother, it's easy to see how shitty parenting techniques lead to bad behaviors. If you're actually consistent and realistic with your punishments, you can deter a lot of behavior that way. Granted it's much harder to fix a bad behavior once you've already taught it to the kid.</quote> There's a difference between watching kids for a few hours versus having to raise them as you know. Kids will get into entirely different situations at school versus at home..plus you can't legally spank them anyway.. I too used to have to control rooms fulls of children, and did so without hitting them. But I can tell which ones ran their households and which one's parent's taught them right. I will say the the ones who misbehave probably don't get disciplined much at all. Spanking or otherwise Not to mention, those kids who act out may be do so due to other factors as well as being spanked too much. Shitty parenting is more broad than just spanking vs not spanking. I'm not saying that spanking can't be over done. I know parents who hit their kids over every minor annoyance, and that is sickening to me as well. Any punishment can be overused. But spanking does not "damage" a child if used appropriately. And In some kids, it is a respectable deterrent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 05/01/17 7:10:55 AM #135:	Privately, I feel that light spanking is a totally overblown issue in the media and it doesn't result in the kind of horrific emotional trauma that it is often painted as. Kids beat each other up all the time, but we're supposed to believe that a light smack on the butt cheek that stings for 4 seconds is going to leave them emotionally destitute for life? That's light butt swatting I'm talking about, by the way. Like I experienced as a kid when I was being an evil little shit on purpose and not complying with any order my parents gave me. I'm not talking about someone's father taking the belt to them because they dropped a plate. That said, I would not beat or spank my kids. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z316/CeliaOfTheSky/Pinky0926.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:878248821] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote>Privately, I feel that light spanking is a totally overblown issue in the media and it doesn't result in the kind of horrific emotional trauma that it is often painted as. Kids beat each other up all the time, but we're supposed to believe that a light smack on the butt cheek that stings for 4 seconds is going to leave them emotionally destitute for life? That's light butt swatting I'm talking about, by the way. Like I experienced as a kid when I was being an evil little shit on purpose and not complying with any order my parents gave me. I'm not talking about someone's father taking the belt to them because they dropped a plate. That said, I would not beat or spank my kids.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dragnmaninferno 05/01/17 7:15:28 AM #136:	I would but only as a last resort and up until the kid can understand when I explain to it why what they did was wrong. And even then the spanking will be a light tap on the hand or a light swat on the butt. --- http://i.imgur.com/cj5gxWr.gif http://i.imgur.com/nQDfEhD.gif http://i.imgur.com/BrXPCvy.gifv http://i.imgur.com/n4vgoNx.gifv <cite>dragnmaninferno posted [p:878248920] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote>I would but only as a last resort and up until the kid can understand when I explain to it why what they did was wrong. And even then the spanking will be a light tap on the hand or a light swat on the butt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vertania 05/01/17 7:58:37 AM #137:	StealthRock posted... But spanking does not "damage" a child if used appropriately. That's not what studies have found though. I actually used to be a strong supporter of spanking too, but the child psychology seminar I took in my senior year of university changed my mind. When you have strong evidence telling you that spanking is at least less effective than other punishments and at most psychologically harmful, it just seems barbaric to cling to it. <cite>Vertania posted [p:878249875] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>But spanking does not "damage" a child if used appropriately.</quote> That's not what studies have found though. I actually used to be a strong supporter of spanking too, but the child psychology seminar I took in my senior year of university changed my mind. When you have strong evidence telling you that spanking is at least less effective than other punishments and at most psychologically harmful, it just seems barbaric to cling to it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 05/01/17 8:04:06 AM #138:	Vertania posted... StealthRock posted... But spanking does not "damage" a child if used appropriately. That's not what studies have found though. I actually used to be a strong supporter of spanking too, but the child psychology seminar I took in my senior year of university changed my mind. When you have strong evidence telling you that spanking is at least less effective than other punishments and at most psychologically harmful, it just seems barbaric to cling to it. I know it's stupid to be so anti-intellectual that you value your own anecdotal experience over research, but frankly I have a hard time believing that paints the full story. I don't know about you but it's not the butt swatting that gave me sleepless nights over the years. It was the times that my father was disappointed in my choices and I felt like a failure in his eyes. That dejected look on his face haunts me more than any spanking ever did. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z316/CeliaOfTheSky/Pinky0926.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:878250000] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vertania posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>But spanking does not "damage" a child if used appropriately.</quote> That's not what studies have found though. I actually used to be a strong supporter of spanking too, but the child psychology seminar I took in my senior year of university changed my mind. When you have strong evidence telling you that spanking is at least less effective than other punishments and at most psychologically harmful, it just seems barbaric to cling to it.</quote> I know it's stupid to be so anti-intellectual that you value your own anecdotal experience over research, but frankly I have a hard time believing that paints the full story. I don't know about you but it's not the butt swatting that gave me sleepless nights over the years. It was the times that my father was disappointed in my choices and I felt like a failure in his eyes. That dejected look on his face haunts me more than any spanking ever did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vertania 05/01/17 8:08:52 AM #139:	pinky0926 posted... I know it's stupid to be so anti-intellectual that you value your own anecdotal experience over research, but frankly I have a hard time believing that paints the full story. I don't know about you but it's not the butt swatting that gave me sleepless nights over the years. It was the times that my father was disappointed in my choices and I felt like a failure in his eyes. That dejected look on his face haunts me more than any spanking ever did. Hence that being a more effective "punishment" than the spankings. <cite>Vertania posted [p:878250119] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>I know it's stupid to be so anti-intellectual that you value your own anecdotal experience over research, but frankly I have a hard time believing that paints the full story. I don't know about you but it's not the butt swatting that gave me sleepless nights over the years. It was the times that my father was disappointed in my choices and I felt like a failure in his eyes. That dejected look on his face haunts me more than any spanking ever did.</quote> Hence that being a more effective "punishment" than the spankings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 05/01/17 8:15:25 AM #140:	Vertania posted... pinky0926 posted... I know it's stupid to be so anti-intellectual that you value your own anecdotal experience over research, but frankly I have a hard time believing that paints the full story. I don't know about you but it's not the butt swatting that gave me sleepless nights over the years. It was the times that my father was disappointed in my choices and I felt like a failure in his eyes. That dejected look on his face haunts me more than any spanking ever did. Hence that being a more effective "punishment" than the spankings. But isn't the issue around the emotional turmoil that spanking causes? Because those spankings never caused me any emotional distress I'm aware of, they just stopped me doing the bad thing. However I still to this day, at age 29, feel hurt by that look of disappointment though. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z316/CeliaOfTheSky/Pinky0926.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:878250278] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vertania posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>I know it's stupid to be so anti-intellectual that you value your own anecdotal experience over research, but frankly I have a hard time believing that paints the full story. I don't know about you but it's not the butt swatting that gave me sleepless nights over the years. It was the times that my father was disappointed in my choices and I felt like a failure in his eyes. That dejected look on his face haunts me more than any spanking ever did.</quote> Hence that being a more effective "punishment" than the spankings.</quote> But isn't the issue around the emotional turmoil that spanking causes? Because those spankings never caused me any emotional distress I'm aware of, they just stopped me doing the bad thing. However I still to this day, at age 29, feel hurt by that look of disappointment though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vertania 05/01/17 8:28:32 AM #141:	pinky0926 posted... But isn't the issue around the emotional turmoil that spanking causes? Because those spankings never caused me any emotional distress I'm aware of, they just stopped me doing the bad thing. However I still to this day, at age 29, feel hurt by that look of disappointment though. Not really, no. It's more about teaching kids that physical force is a way to make a point, express their feelings, or get what they want. It can also easily cause them to devalue other punishments, leading them to act out in environments where they know they don't have to fear physical punishment (like school or childcare). There is definitely potential for it to create emotional distress, but that's not the biggest issue imo. <cite>Vertania posted [p:878250665] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>But isn't the issue around the emotional turmoil that spanking causes? Because those spankings never caused me any emotional distress I'm aware of, they just stopped me doing the bad thing. However I still to this day, at age 29, feel hurt by that look of disappointment though.</quote> Not really, no. It's more about teaching kids that physical force is a way to make a point, express their feelings, or get what they want. It can also easily cause them to devalue other punishments, leading them to act out in environments where they know they don't have to fear physical punishment (like school or childcare). There is definitely potential for it to create emotional distress, but that's not the biggest issue imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Haldol 05/01/17 9:16:18 AM #142:	Vertania posted... pinky0926 posted... But isn't the issue around the emotional turmoil that spanking causes? Because those spankings never caused me any emotional distress I'm aware of, they just stopped me doing the bad thing. However I still to this day, at age 29, feel hurt by that look of disappointment though. Not really, no. It's more about teaching kids that physical force is a way to make a point, express their feelings, or get what they want. It can also easily cause them to devalue other punishments, leading them to act out in environments where they know they don't have to fear physical punishment (like school or childcare). There is definitely potential for it to create emotional distress, but that's not the biggest issue imo. Do you let you child watch anime? Play video games? Watch movies?? Then Congrats, you're teaching them that violence is acceptable to solve your issues. Force has been used to make a point since the dawn of time. No new age pseudo science is gonna change that. As a last resort, spanking can get the job done. Spanking as a serious consequence to wrong doing is no more likely to teach kids violence than me getting arrested is to teach me that detaining others against their will is ok. These studies you talk about I'm sure don't tell the entire story. <cite>Haldol posted [p:878252310] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vertania posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>But isn't the issue around the emotional turmoil that spanking causes? Because those spankings never caused me any emotional distress I'm aware of, they just stopped me doing the bad thing. However I still to this day, at age 29, feel hurt by that look of disappointment though.</quote> Not really, no. It's more about teaching kids that physical force is a way to make a point, express their feelings, or get what they want. It can also easily cause them to devalue other punishments, leading them to act out in environments where they know they don't have to fear physical punishment (like school or childcare). There is definitely potential for it to create emotional distress, but that's not the biggest issue imo.</quote> Do you let you child watch anime? Play video games? Watch movies?? Then Congrats, you're teaching them that violence is acceptable to solve your issues. Force has been used to make a point since the dawn of time. No new age pseudo science is gonna change that. As a last resort, spanking can get the job done. Spanking as a serious consequence to wrong doing is no more likely to teach kids violence than me getting arrested is to teach me that detaining others against their will is ok. These studies you talk about I'm sure don't tell the entire story.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 05/01/17 9:26:16 AM #143:	Physical punishment is hardly ever necessary. Especially if managed correctly from jump street. I've only need to discipline my child on a physical level a few times. Once they know you will spank them, give them a good smack if they act up they kind of just "learn" where that line is at. Once they learn that all you have to do is tell them they are going to get a spank and they pretty much straighten up. However good old time outs work wonders too. Time outs with an egg timer... Drives them insane. Then finally revoking privileges like TV, tablet, etc works well And of course positive reinforcement like rewards for listening well and having good behavior. There is no instruction booklet and I applaud any parent that actually puts effort into controlling and discipline their child\children even if they get it wrong every now and again. Your job is to be a parent not their best friend. Sometimes they are not going to like you because "discipline" everyone always want to fight the power. It's a tough balance but stick with it, children crave structure. --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:878252707] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote>Physical punishment is hardly ever necessary. Especially if managed correctly from jump street. I've only need to discipline my child on a physical level a few times. Once they know you will spank them, give them a good smack if they act up they kind of just "learn" where that line is at. Once they learn that all you have to do is tell them they are going to get a spank and they pretty much straighten up. However good old time outs work wonders too. Time outs with an egg timer... Drives them insane. Then finally revoking privileges like TV, tablet, etc works well And of course positive reinforcement like rewards for listening well and having good behavior. There is no instruction booklet and I applaud any parent that actually puts effort into controlling and discipline their child\children even if they get it wrong every now and again. Your job is to be a parent not their best friend. Sometimes they are not going to like you because "discipline" everyone always want to fight the power. It's a tough balance but stick with it, children crave structure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vertania 05/01/17 9:27:08 AM #144:	Haldol posted... Do you let you child watch anime? Play video games? Watch movies?? Then Congrats, you're teaching them that violence is acceptable to solve your issues. Force has been used to make a point since the dawn of time. No new age pseudo science is gonna change that. Most kids are capable of understanding the difference between fiction and reality. There's a huge difference between letting them watch characters use violence to solve issues and (literally) beating the concept into them. Just because force can be used to get your point across doesn't mean it's a desirable behavior to instill in your children. <cite>Vertania posted [p:878252744] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>Haldol posted...</cite> <quote>Do you let you child watch anime? Play video games? Watch movies?? Then Congrats, you're teaching them that violence is acceptable to solve your issues. Force has been used to make a point since the dawn of time. No new age pseudo science is gonna change that.</quote> Most kids are capable of understanding the difference between fiction and reality. There's a huge difference between letting them watch characters use violence to solve issues and (literally) beating the concept into them. Just because force can be used to get your point across doesn't mean it's a desirable behavior to instill in your children.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SwatterXX 05/01/17 9:50:04 AM #145:	Hit, no. Spank, no Stone Cold Stunner, definitely. <cite>SwatterXX posted [p:878253690] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote>Hit, no. Spank, no Stone Cold Stunner, definitely.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JScriv 05/01/17 9:56:37 AM #146:	There is always a better option than spanking, and the science supports that. You simply cannot find a reliable study in favour of spanking. "I was spanked and I turned out fine" is not a valid argument. So what? I was never spanked and I turned out fine too. I was always a good student, and have never been in a physical altercation. Also, before you accuse me of not having any experience, my oldest is almost 4, and I have a third child due in August (three boys lol). If you are a parent or want to be one, and don't see any issue with spanking, please, do yourself and your children a favour and read up on the issue. There are lots of different ways to deal with a child's less-than-desirable behaviour; learn them and expand your toolbox. Check out the book No Drama Discipline, it's a great look into the developing brain of a child. --- "Yeah, Warren, that's the problem with old men. You can kick 'em down the stairs, and say it's an accident, but you can't just shoot 'em." <cite>JScriv posted [p:878254022] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote>There is always a better option than spanking, and the science supports that. You simply cannot find a reliable study in favour of spanking. "I was spanked and I turned out fine" is not a valid argument. So what? I was never spanked and I turned out fine too. I was always a good student, and have never been in a physical altercation. Also, before you accuse me of not having any experience, my oldest is almost 4, and I have a third child due in August (three boys lol). If you are a parent or want to be one, and don't see any issue with spanking, please, do yourself and your children a favour and read up on the issue. There are lots of different ways to deal with a child's less-than-desirable behaviour; learn them and expand your toolbox. Check out the book No Drama Discipline, it's a great look into the developing brain of a child.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealthRock 05/01/17 10:24:37 AM #148:	Asherlee10 posted... StealthRock posted... Not to mention you're causing pain and discomfort by grounding them and taking away possessions too... pick your poison Spanking != Grounding or taking away a possession Spanking = Positive punishment Taking away a possession = Negative punishment There are some severe and harmful wakes left in children who often got spanked and verbally abused. spanking is not abuse. My point in the comparison was the fact that apparently it's wrong to ever cause your child discomfort in the name of discipline because you "love" them Key word, Often once again, my point is that is used appropriately, spanking can work --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:878255296] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>Not to mention you're causing pain and discomfort by grounding them and taking away possessions too... pick your poison</quote> Spanking != Grounding or taking away a possession Spanking = Positive punishment Taking away a possession = Negative punishment There are some severe and harmful wakes left in children who often got spanked and verbally abused.</quote> spanking is not abuse. My point in the comparison was the fact that apparently it's wrong to ever cause your child discomfort in the name of discipline because you "love" them Key word, Often once again, my point is that is used appropriately, spanking can work</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealthRock 05/01/17 10:32:50 AM #150:	Asherlee10 posted... StealthRock posted... Asherlee10 posted... StealthRock posted... Not to mention you're causing pain and discomfort by grounding them and taking away possessions too... pick your poison Spanking != Grounding or taking away a possession Spanking = Positive punishment Taking away a possession = Negative punishment There are some severe and harmful wakes left in children who often got spanked and verbally abused. spanking is not abuse. Key word, Often once again, my point is that is used appropriately, spanking can work No, spanking is abuse. You are physically hitting a child to cause pain. That is physical abuse no matter how you color it. Yes, I did use the word "often." Because not every single person that was spanked walks away with issues. However, that does not justify spanking a child because a few didn't experience issues. The whole, "I was spanked and I'm fine" argument does not stand. There is no appropriate time to hit a child. Are you the authority of all parents?? Why is there never an appropriate time to tap a child on the butt? not to mention, how can that statement be invalid when you have so many examples to prove it right? The fact that you used the word often means that the problem presumably only happens when spanking is overused. So once again. If used correctly, Spanking can work. If you can show me a child that was forever emotionally scarred from getting spanked twice (the amount that I've gotten spanked) then, maybe I'll believe you. --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:878255692] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>Not to mention you're causing pain and discomfort by grounding them and taking away possessions too... pick your poison</quote> Spanking != Grounding or taking away a possession Spanking = Positive punishment Taking away a possession = Negative punishment There are some severe and harmful wakes left in children who often got spanked and verbally abused.</quote> spanking is not abuse. Key word, Often once again, my point is that is used appropriately, spanking can work</quote> No, spanking is abuse. You are physically hitting a child to cause pain. That is physical abuse no matter how you color it. Yes, I did use the word "often." Because not every single person that was spanked walks away with issues. However, that does not justify spanking a child because a few didn't experience issues. The whole, "I was spanked and I'm fine" argument does not stand. There is no appropriate time to hit a child.</quote> Are you the authority of all parents?? Why is there never an appropriate time to tap a child on the butt? not to mention, how can that statement be invalid when you have so many examples to prove it right? The fact that you used the word often means that the problem presumably only happens when spanking is overused. So once again. If used correctly, Spanking can work. If you can show me a child that was forever emotionally scarred from getting spanked twice (the amount that I've gotten spanked) then, maybe I'll believe you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManWithGun 05/01/17 10:34:57 AM #151:	My experience is changing diapers? Fuck you --- Heeeey <cite>ManWithGun posted [p:878255791] in Would you ... [t:75297217]...</cite> <quote>My experience is changing diapers? Fuck you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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