Poll of the Day > Tartarus is so boring. (Persona 3)

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I'm liking this game! I like the characters, I find the way school and skills and combat all feed into one another amusing, and the story moments are awesome.

But good god, why did they make half the game a repetitive grind through an unchanging dungeon stocked with generic monsters? I'm at like floor 60 in Tartarus and I almost have to force myself to grind it.
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Its so awful, P3 is easily the worst in the series, such an almost great game but by the 70 hour mark i was like FUCK JUST LET IT END ALREADY

also who the hell decided that the game will have amazing music EXCEPT in the dungeon where you spend half the game will be 1 single boring ass track for 50 hours
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TheSlinja posted...

will be 1 single boring ass track for 50 hours

Hey that one song had FIVE(or six) different remixes as you got higher so they at least tried
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Junpeiclover posted...

TheSlinja posted...

will be 1 single boring ass track for 50 hours

Hey that one song had FIVE(or six) different remixes as you got higher so they at least tried

I'd be hard pressed to call any of them a remix, its more of an add 1 instrument at a time thing and 6 instuments later it might sound like an okay song if I hadnt heard this one 1000 times before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvfQVaOoWk8
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TheSlinja posted...

P3 is easily the worst in the series

I thought most fans considered P1 to be the worst?

I prefer the characters, story, and music of P3 when compared to P4.
P4 has better gameplay and dungeons, but that's about it imo.

Xfma100 posted...

I thought most fans considered P1 to be the worst?

probably is as it's basically Shin Megami Tensei with an evil butterfly at the end
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Also, why do they shoot themselves in the head?
It's just that there's gotta be a million ways to design a persona summoner. What kind of prick designed it so it feels like suicide? xD
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Lightning Bolt posted...

Also, why do they shoot themselves in the head?
It's just that there's gotta be a million ways to design a persona summoner. What kind of prick designed it so it feels like suicide? xD

It's a Jojo reference.
It also ties in with the theme of the game.

Xfma100 posted...

I thought most fans considered P1 to be the worst?

I like P1 more than 3 or 4
Junpeiclover posted...

probably because it's basically Shin Megami Tensei with an evil butterfly at the end

Lightning Bolt posted...

Also, why do they shoot themselves in the head?
It's just that there's gotta be a million ways to design a persona summoner. What kind of prick designed it so it feels like suicide? xD

Its supposed to invoke fear of death to force out your persona that protects you in times of hardship or some shit, more than likely its just cause it looks cool *shrugs*
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Tartarus is one of the weaker parts of the game, and it does kinda drag on, particularly near the middle of the game. It's still a fantastic game though.
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TheSlinja posted...

Xfma100 posted...

I thought most fans considered P1 to be the worst?

I like P1 more than 3 or 4
Junpeiclover posted...

probably because it's basically Shin Megami Tensei with an evil butterfly at the end

Lightning Bolt posted...

Also, why do they shoot themselves in the head?
It's just that there's gotta be a million ways to design a persona summoner. What kind of prick designed it so it feels like suicide? xD

Its supposed to invoke fear of death to force out your persona that protects you in times of hardship or some shit, more than likely its just cause it looks cool *shrugs*

No if it's just because it looked cool it'd be in every persona game afterward. While it was pretty cool and edgy it really does go with the theme of the game. P4 didn't really try to go with a thematic summoning animation though so meh (probably because as a game it was pretty aimless.) I like P5's mask thing though.
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Theme of the game? I may be too early in the game, but we've just been 100% passive and basically dicking around so far. I haven't sensed much of a main theme that would relate to suicide.
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Tartarus wasn't the best thing ever but to be fair, few RPGs do a lot with dungeon design. It's not like long corridors with frequent cutscenes are any better than generic randomly generated floors.

Lucifer's Call/Nocturne has really cool dungeons IMO but at the same time random encounters plus the generally high difficulty can easily frustrate you.

Lightning Bolt posted...

Theme of the game? I may be too early in the game, but we've just been 100% passive and basically dicking around so far. I haven't sensed much of a main theme that would relate to suicide.

It's not really suicide, more like not being afraid of death. It's all over the place, from the plot to the characters and social links all the way to, yes, that combat animation. I do think the game has pacing issues in that you don't get a lot of information about what's going on for a very long time.
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Lightning Bolt posted...

Theme of the game? I may be too early in the game, but we've just been 100% passive and basically dicking around so far. I haven't sensed much of a main theme that would relate to suicide.

Perhaps pay a bit more attention is all i can say really. It's all there really.
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Lightning Bolt posted...

Theme of the game? I may be too early in the game, but we've just been 100% passive and basically dicking around so far. I haven't sensed much of a main theme that would relate to suicide.

Where are you up to? If you don't mind my asking.
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KroganCharr posted...

Lucifer's Call/Nocturne has really cool dungeons IMO but at the same time random encounters plus the generally high difficulty can easily frustrate you.

Meh, but Nocturne is literally demon's running around in the world so it makes sense for the constant fighting (and you do get estoma early on which makes it less annoying)
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lorekai posted...

Where are you up to? If you don't mind my asking.

Just got Fuuka.
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Lightning Bolt posted...

lorekai posted...

Where are you up to? If you don't mind my asking.

Just got Fuuka.

oh man you've barely even started, I'm praying for you if you are already tired of tarturus
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Lightning Bolt posted...

Theme of the game? I may be too early in the game, but we've just been 100% passive and basically dicking around so far. I haven't sensed much of a main theme that would relate to suicide.

The main theme you'll pick up on is death. Suicide isn't really what it was getting at, more of a "you can die at any time".

It actually made sense and I have no idea why they ignored the idea in P4 (oh wait yea I do, it was to make it more happy)
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Lightning Bolt posted...

lorekai posted...

Where are you up to? If you don't mind my asking.

Just got Fuuka.

Ah, Fuuka does make things a bit easier, but you are still pretty early in the game. How often have you been going to Tartarus out of curiosity?
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lorekai posted...

How often have you been going to Tartarus out of curiosity?

It varies I guess? I used to have an issue with fatigue, but since I got a good gauge of what the team can handle I've been going several times a week. Now, since there's no barrier blocking progress, I've been going almost every night.

TheSlinja posted...

oh man you've barely even started, I'm praying for you if you are already tired of tarturus

I might have made it worse on myself. I played with fusion until I got a high Magic persona that knows like 3 different elements, and I've got the 4th element stuck somewhere. I just nuke enemies one by one with their weakness, which is hilariously overpowered in this game, and keep them CC'd to shit by not using the all-out attack. I'm sure the game will break my strategy eventually, but for now I feel like I'm creaming all too easily.
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Apparently P5 actually has semi-decent level design, which is good to know.
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Tartarus is boring, but i still love part 3 over part 4. the music is soo good.
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Tartarus definitely sucks ass, especially when you start running into enemies that can OHKO and just love to target the MC. Save often in that game.
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Zareth posted...

Apparently P5 actually has semi-decent level design, which is good to know.

5 has 2 different types of dungeons: palaces and Mementos. Palaces are unique designs geared toward whichever person's personality that you're infiltrating and Mementos is to the generic randomly generated dungeon like in P3. Palaces are fun and Mementos is boring.
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XlaxJynx007 posted...

Tartarus definitely sucks ass, especially when you start running into enemies that can OHKO and just love to target the MC. Save often in that game.

My main gripe with Persona combat and something that unfortunately wasn't changed in P5 is that the MC dying is a game over but nothing about the combat makes this seem like a good idea, most personas have weaknesses which with the 1 more system means 1 bad encounter will leave you dead before you can act, instant kill spells are ass and homuncleus are so fucking expensive AND YOUR TEAMMATES STILL AUTOMATICALLY USE THEM IF THEY WOULD GET HIT WHY IS THIS NOT OPTIONAL STILL REEEEE so I just end up fusing a demon that nulls Phys skills with no weaknesses and using it the entire game which is no fun. nor does it make any sense in game, in normal SMTs I can see that relying on demon slaves to pick you up when you fall can be iffy but your 3 friends at full health just stand there when you die but reviving them is no big deal, its such a fucking pain.
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My friend put it really well: Persona games incrementally get better, to the point where it's hard to go back to the previous one once you've started the next.
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That_70s_show posted...

My friend put it really well: Persona games incrementally get better, to the point where it's hard to go back to the previous one once you've started the next.

While this is true for the combat, I still much prefer 3 over 4 due to the story and quality of characters. 5 blows them both away though.
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That_70s_show posted...

My friend put it really well: Persona games incrementally get better, to the point where it's hard to go back to the previous one once you've started the next.

I was told that about SMT in general. That's why I started with Digital Devil Saga, but I think I may have liked that game more.
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Lightning Bolt posted...

I was told that about SMT in general.

that I really dont agree with at all, SMT games are so varied and different It's not particualry hard to go from P5 or SMT 4 to say Devil Survivor or Devil Summoner Raidou
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Of the Persona games I only played 3 and 4, and while 3 does some things better 4 is just so much more refined in many ways. I hear Persona 3 Portable adapted all those P4 mechanics for that reason, but I haven't played it so I can't say if it works.
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KroganCharr posted...

Of the Persona games I only played 3 and 4, and while 3 does some things better 4 is just so much more refined in many ways. I hear Persona 3 Portable adapted all those P4 mechanics for that reason, but I haven't played it so I can't say if it works.

The only thing P3P added was letting you directly control your teammates and it let you play as a chick.
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XlaxJynx007 posted...

KroganCharr posted...

Of the Persona games I only played 3 and 4, and while 3 does some things better 4 is just so much more refined in many ways. I hear Persona 3 Portable adapted all those P4 mechanics for that reason, but I haven't played it so I can't say if it works.

The only thing P3P added was letting you directly control your teammates and it let you play as a chick.

it did a lot more than that lol.
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TheSlinja posted...

Lightning Bolt posted...

I was told that about SMT in general.

that I really dont agree with at all, SMT games are so varied and different It's not particualry hard to go from P5 or SMT 4 to say Devil Survivor or Devil Summoner Raidou

Yup. I don't think most people have played MegaTens outside of Persona. Shame too, since Persona has had - by far - the weakest combat and level design of the entire series up until Persona 5. Nocturne and DDS came out before Persona 3, and have incredible dungeons. They still hold up, whereas Persona 3 already shows its age.

Raganork10 posted...

TheSlinja posted...

Lightning Bolt posted...

I was told that about SMT in general.

that I really dont agree with at all, SMT games are so varied and different It's not particualry hard to go from P5 or SMT 4 to say Devil Survivor or Devil Summoner Raidou

Yup. I don't think most people have played MegaTens outside of Persona. Shame too, since Persona has had - by far - the weakest combat and level design of the entire series up until Persona 5. Nocturne and DDS came out before Persona 3, and have incredible dungeons. They still hold up, whereas Persona 3 already shows its age.

Um Persona Q had some pretty great dungeons too
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Lightning Bolt posted...

lorekai posted...

Where are you up to? If you don't mind my asking.

Just got Fuuka.

If you haven't figured it out yet, after getting Fuuka you can change the Taturaus BGM by hitting Square(?), it makes Tarturaus significantly more bearable.
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chaosbowser posted...

Raganork10 posted...

TheSlinja posted...

Lightning Bolt posted...

I was told that about SMT in general.

that I really dont agree with at all, SMT games are so varied and different It's not particualry hard to go from P5 or SMT 4 to say Devil Survivor or Devil Summoner Raidou

Yup. I don't think most people have played MegaTens outside of Persona. Shame too, since Persona has had - by far - the weakest combat and level design of the entire series up until Persona 5. Nocturne and DDS came out before Persona 3, and have incredible dungeons. They still hold up, whereas Persona 3 already shows its age.

Um Persona Q had some pretty great dungeons too

yeah but persona q also has pretty much nothing in common with persona gameplay wise, its a great game but SMT Etrian Oddesy shouldn't really count towards achievements of the persona series lol
real talk I want another SMT EO game, hopefully with an original cast, that would be amazing
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TheSlinja posted...

Junpeiclover posted...

TheSlinja posted...

will be 1 single boring ass track for 50 hours

Hey that one song had FIVE(or six) different remixes as you got higher so they at least tried

I'd be hard pressed to call any of them a remix, its more of an add 1 instrument at a time thing and 6 instuments later it might sound like an okay song if I hadnt heard this one 1000 times before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvfQVaOoWk8

You're supposed to swap that out with Snow Queen, silly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paEYW3QF7oQ
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Cruddy_horse posted...

If you haven't figured it out yet, after getting Fuuka you can change the Taturaus BGM by hitting Square(?), it makes Tarturaus significantly more bearable.

You are a godsend!
And so is Fuuka. :3

EDIT: Err it doesn't stay changed in battle. derp
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at least it's better than momentos
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I didn't like PQ that much. It was a tad boring.
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Yeah it is. I always plowed through Tartarus as far as allowed in one night and spent the rest of the month with all the social stuff. I still love the game, but the dungeon crawling is pretty terrible.
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TheSlinja posted...

chaosbowser posted...

Raganork10 posted...

TheSlinja posted...

Lightning Bolt posted...

I was told that about SMT in general.

that I really dont agree with at all, SMT games are so varied and different It's not particualry hard to go from P5 or SMT 4 to say Devil Survivor or Devil Summoner Raidou

Yup. I don't think most people have played MegaTens outside of Persona. Shame too, since Persona has had - by far - the weakest combat and level design of the entire series up until Persona 5. Nocturne and DDS came out before Persona 3, and have incredible dungeons. They still hold up, whereas Persona 3 already shows its age.

Um Persona Q had some pretty great dungeons too

yeah but persona q also has pretty much nothing in common with persona gameplay wise, its a great game but SMT Etrian Oddesy shouldn't really count towards achievements of the persona series lol
real talk I want another SMT EO game, hopefully with an original cast, that would be amazing

Hey. It says persona in it so i'm counting it :D
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