Current Events > DNC Chair declares there is no place for pro-life Democrats in todays party

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unclekoolaid73
04/24/17 9:40:06 PM
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04/24/17 9:42:08 PM
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Sayoria
04/24/17 9:43:16 PM
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Being in any party now seems like a fucking joke.
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Saloonist
04/24/17 9:43:49 PM
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Just a statement of what's been a reality for some time.

Hoorah to political partisanship!
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NeonOctopus
04/24/17 9:45:19 PM
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Iodine
04/24/17 9:45:53 PM
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Good. Abortion rights is not something the Democrats should be negotiating. About damn time they grew a fucking spine.
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Gojak_v3
04/24/17 9:47:43 PM
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Iodine posted...
Good. Abortion rights is not something the Democrats should be negotiating. About damn time they grew a fucking spine.


No one is negotiating anything. They are saying "get out" if yer pro life.
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Vyrulisse
04/24/17 9:50:05 PM
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dolomedes posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
No one is negotiating anything. They are saying "get out" if yer pro life.

fair.

It's a very nuanced discussion to be had. Lumping everyone into one "pro life" label is shortsighted and foolish.
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CruelBuffalo
04/24/17 9:51:18 PM
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What's funny, is when Hillary was willing to "accept" pro-lifers as feminist certain Bernie supporters her demonized her...now Bernie is supporting a pro-life candidate who supports forced ultrasounds...crickets....hmmmm...maybe we shouldn't deify our candidates
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Antifar
04/24/17 9:51:38 PM
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A party without basic principles is nothing. Women's control over their bodies should be a basic principle for Democrats.
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toptopmax
04/24/17 9:52:27 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
What's funny, is when Hillary was willing to "accept" pro-lifers as feminist certain Bernie supporters her demonized her...now Bernie is supporting a pro-life candidate who supports forced ultrasounds...crickets....hmmmm...maybe we shouldn't deify our candidates

What's more funny is that you were all so quick to call out Bernie supporters for their purity tests, and now the DNC is doing their own purity test. No self awareness, really.
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Iodine
04/24/17 9:53:02 PM
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Antifar posted...
A party without basic principles is nothing. Women's control over their bodies should be a basic principle for Democrats.

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CruelBuffalo
04/24/17 9:53:14 PM
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toptopmax posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
What's funny, is when Hillary was willing to "accept" pro-lifers as feminist certain Bernie supporters her demonized her...now Bernie is supporting a pro-life candidate who supports forced ultrasounds...crickets....hmmmm...maybe we shouldn't deify our candidates

What's more funny is that you were all so quick to call out Bernie supporters for their purity tests, and now the DNC is doing their own purity test. No self awareness, really.


I don't agree with the DNC chairs opinion, so no, doesn't make me hypocritical. Thanks for playing.
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Gojak_v3
04/24/17 9:56:00 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
lol didn't you support Tomi Lahren getting the boot from The Blaze for being pro choice? Now you find purity tests stupid?


Do you guys just imagine I say stuff? Maybe that's part of the problem. Read what I actually post.
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Antifar
04/24/17 9:57:21 PM
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Are there any views you would say do not belong in the Democratic Party?
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Gojak_v3
04/24/17 9:58:10 PM
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Antifar posted...
A party without basic principles is nothing. Women's control over their bodies should be a basic principle for Democrats.


A party that deals in such absolutes is doomed to fail. Someone can be a democrat in every regard, but they should fuck off if they are pro-life? I actually find it amazing some of you find this acceptable.
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Antifar
04/24/17 9:59:59 PM
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Gojak_v3 posted...
A party that deals in such absolutes is doomed to fail

The Republican Party has ridden to success on absolutes over the past decade.
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K181
04/24/17 10:00:29 PM
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I'm sorry, but this is idiotic. One of the biggest reasons why the Dems have so many difficulties is because they aren't competitive in countless down ballot races. It's all those house and especially state legislature seats that matter and help determine the legislative redistricting processes, and that is an area where the Dems have been getting killed. It's better for the Dems to have a pro-life Democrat caucusing with them and giving them a vote towards redistricting than giving those seats to the GOP and gaining nothing from it.

Just modern American liberalism stupidity. Can't see that someone being with you on 90% of the issues is better than someone being against you on 100% of the issues. Pro-life is an inherent non-starter in countless districts, not just in deep red states, too.
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Butterfiles
04/24/17 10:02:32 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
What's funny, is when Hillary was willing to "accept" pro-lifers as feminist certain Bernie supporters her demonized her...now Bernie is supporting a pro-life candidate who supports forced ultrasounds...crickets....hmmmm...maybe we shouldn't deify our candidates

it's worth noting that the opposing candidate is also pro life
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prince_leo
04/24/17 10:05:11 PM
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mixed feelings on it tbh
I do think that being pro-choice is something the democrat party should embrace as a whole, but the reality of the situation is that in some areas of the country there are people who will literally vote only for a pro-life candidate
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Gojak_v3
04/24/17 10:06:11 PM
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Antifar posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
A party that deals in such absolutes is doomed to fail

The Republican Party has ridden to success on absolutes over the past decade.


How many people have the republican party said "get out" to over a single issue? I mean RINO is a thing for a reason.
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UnfairRepresent
04/24/17 10:17:09 PM
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This is stupid what a regressive and harmful attitude, being against diversity and differing challenging views within your own party is a terrible attitude
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wah_wah_wah
04/24/17 10:22:22 PM
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K181 posted...
I'm sorry, but this is idiotic. One of the biggest reasons why the Dems have so many difficulties is because they aren't competitive in countless down ballot races. It's all those house and especially state legislature seats that matter and help determine the legislative redistricting processes, and that is an area where the Dems have been getting killed. It's better for the Dems to have a pro-life Democrat caucusing with them and giving them a vote towards redistricting than giving those seats to the GOP and gaining nothing from it.

Just modern American liberalism stupidity. Can't see that someone being with you on 90% of the issues is better than someone being against you on 100% of the issues. Pro-life is an inherent non-starter in countless districts, not just in deep red states, too.

Millions and millions of women marched on that issue (among others). It is actually shocking that strong commitments like this haven't been made already. I dare even call it sluggish.
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wah_wah_wah
04/24/17 10:24:16 PM
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prince_leo posted...
mixed feelings on it tbh
I do think that being pro-choice is something the democrat party should embrace as a whole, but the reality of the situation is that in some areas of the country there are people who will literally vote only for a pro-life candidate

Trying too hard to be all things to every voter is probably the reason why Democrats keep getting butt blasted. It's time Democrats commit themselves to staying on message without giving a shrug and "whatever you want to do" on every issue
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Feline_Heart
04/24/17 10:24:45 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
This is stupid what a regressive and harmful attitude, being against diversity and differing challenging views within your own party is a terrible attitude
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Feline_Heart
04/24/17 10:29:58 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Feline_Heart posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
This is stupid what a regressive and harmful attitude, being against diversity and differing challenging views within your own party is a terrible attitude


Honest question, is it not the purpose of a party to represent consistent political stances that represent the constituents?

Living in a bubble and demonizing everyone who didn't follow their agenda is exactly why they lost the election
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toptopmax
04/24/17 10:30:39 PM
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I hope they don't do this stance on guns. I'd be a Democrat if they didn't ever talk about gun control.
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Gojak_v3
04/24/17 10:31:50 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Feline_Heart posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
This is stupid what a regressive and harmful attitude, being against diversity and differing challenging views within your own party is a terrible attitude


Honest question, is it not the purpose of a party to represent consistent political stances that represent the constituents?


I mean they can have a pro choice stance. I don't think anyone thinks they can't. It's that this sound like an ultimatum. So because yer pro life you can't be a democrat now? Even if you are a democrat in every other regard. It's just foolish imo.
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prince_leo
04/24/17 10:33:57 PM
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toptopmax posted...
I hope they don't do this stance on guns. I'd be a Democrat if they didn't ever talk about gun control.

I actually got invited by a coworker to a "liberals with guns" meeting last week
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Antifar
04/24/17 10:34:32 PM
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I think the phrasing in the title was referring to candidates; voters are free to do as they please, but I don't think Democratic candidates should be running on pro-life platforms.
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wah_wah_wah
04/24/17 10:34:55 PM
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Gojak_v3 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Feline_Heart posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
This is stupid what a regressive and harmful attitude, being against diversity and differing challenging views within your own party is a terrible attitude


Honest question, is it not the purpose of a party to represent consistent political stances that represent the constituents?


I mean they can have a pro choice stance. I don't think anyone thinks they can't. It's that this sound like an ultimatum. So because yer pro life you can't be a democrat now? Even if you are a democrat in every other regard. It's just foolish imo.

But if you're honest, there really isn't pro-life Democrats that are Democrat in every other regard. Usually they are blue dogs, the types of politicians that can't get any populist support.
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TheBiggerWiggle
04/24/17 10:41:58 PM
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When did democrats become so horrible at their jobs?
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lilORANG
04/24/17 10:43:30 PM
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Sayoria posted...
Being in any party now seems like a fucking joke.

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Antifar
04/24/17 10:49:05 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
@unclekoolaid73 - you have the headline wrong.

former Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean suggested that pro-life Americans are unwelcome in the party because the younger voters that Democrats need to energize are concerned with “social justice,”

Ah, shit, that's what this is? I just assumed Perez had said something following the controversy in Omaha; this whole topic has been about such a benign statement from Howard Dean? lol
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Coffeebeanz
04/24/17 10:55:11 PM
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Isn't Harry Reid vehemently anti abortion
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wah_wah_wah
04/24/17 10:59:31 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Isn't Harry Reid vehemently anti abortion

He still stamped every single judge that will almost certainly uphold Roe v. Wade. Fought against many who would have certainly overturned it. This is why a Democrat holding pro-life viewpoints is ultimately meaningless. Voters aren't stupid, they can see the record. His pro-life rhetoric made almost no difference to Republicans spending millions from all over the country to defeat him and voting against him in Nevada, either.
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UnfairRepresent
04/25/17 6:20:19 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Feline_Heart posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
This is stupid what a regressive and harmful attitude, being against diversity and differing challenging views within your own party is a terrible attitude


Honest question, is it not the purpose of a party to represent consistent political stances that represent the constituents?


I'd argue it's to represent consistence political ideologies not stances.

A group which is not willing to discuss or change stances stagnates by default. Its how we end up with Boko Haram
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