Current Events > why are people so triggered by Le Pen? because she doesn't like radical Islam?

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Milkman5
04/24/17 8:51:00 PM
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explain
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CruorComa
04/24/17 8:54:05 PM
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Because it's another example after Brexit and Trump of the right establishing a firm foothold in contemporary politics. Centrists and right wingers couldn't give a fuck.
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OpenlyGator
04/24/17 8:57:32 PM
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Is this a France thing? Because it sounds like a France thing.

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Vertania
04/24/17 8:59:12 PM
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France, of all places, has a reason to want to crack down on immigration.
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Milkman5
04/24/17 9:00:37 PM
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I like Le Pen and hate radical Islam. I'm looking for a dissenting opinion
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mattnd2007
04/24/17 9:00:43 PM
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I say good for france. Hope she gets elected
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Milkman5
04/24/17 9:01:56 PM
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mattnd2007 posted...
I say good for france. Hope she gets elected

doubt she will. She's expected to lose in the run-offs according to polls.

I want her to win so bad though.
Plus I want leaders who will work with our president
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Hash-Brown
04/24/17 9:19:12 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
She's expected to lose in the run-offs according to polls.

Are these like the polls that said Hilary had a 95% chance at winning the election?
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Iodine
04/24/17 9:20:24 PM
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Hash-Brown posted...
Milkman5 posted...
She's expected to lose in the run-offs according to polls.

Are these like the polls that said Hilary had a 95% chance at winning the election?

Why are you comparing polling from two completely different countries?
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GoatHunter
04/24/17 9:22:53 PM
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If she wins we will have a far right block (US, UK, Russia, France) and a leftist block (Germany, china, Canada $
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Hash-Brown
04/24/17 9:23:53 PM
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Iodine posted...
Hash-Brown posted...
Milkman5 posted...
She's expected to lose in the run-offs according to polls.

Are these like the polls that said Hilary had a 95% chance at winning the election?

Why are you comparing polling from two completely different countries?

Because much like the US I bet there are alot of supporters for LePen that are staying silent in these polls because of the violent left.
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ASithLord7
04/24/17 9:26:04 PM
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The Front National are a fascist party with long ties to neo-Nazis, and she and her father are Holocaust deniers.
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hockeybub89
04/24/17 9:29:03 PM
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Hash-Brown posted...
Iodine posted...
Hash-Brown posted...
Milkman5 posted...
She's expected to lose in the run-offs according to polls.

Are these like the polls that said Hilary had a 95% chance at winning the election?

Why are you comparing polling from two completely different countries?

Because much like the US I bet there are alot of supporters for LePen that are staying silent in these polls because of the violent left.

How will they be brave enough to show up and vote if they are too scared to respond to anonymous polls?
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Antifar
04/24/17 9:29:42 PM
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Hash-Brown posted...
Because much like the US I bet there are alot of supporters for LePen that are staying silent in these polls because of the violent left.

There's no evidence to suggest far right candidates outperform their polling
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/le-pen-is-in-a-much-deeper-hole-than-trump-ever-was/
However, there's no evidence that candidates such as Le Pen systematically outperform their polls. Across dozens of European elections since 2012, in fact, nationalist and right-wing parties have been as likely to underperform their polls as to overperform them.

I've built a database that covers the performance of right-wing parties and candidates, such as Le Pen and the National Front, in European elections since 2012. (More specifically, the parties are those identified by the New York Times as being "right-wing"; they "range across a wide policy spectrum, from populist and nationalist to far-right neofascist.") I found 47 elections during this period in which one of these parties competed and voters were regularly polled about it before the election. Some of these elections featured multiple right-wing parties or candidates, so there are a total of 66 data points.

On average, the right-wing parties were predicted to win 13.5 percent of the vote in polls conducted at the end of the campaign.2 And they wound up with an average of - 13.5 percent of the vote. Polls have been just as likely to overestimate nationalists as to underestimate them, in other words.

That includes the French, who already voted

Polls are anonymous; what sort of fear requires you to lie on the phone to a stranger?

Trump was trailing in polls by like 2-3 points (which was about right nationally). Le Pen is trailing by 20.
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AmonAmarth
04/24/17 9:31:46 PM
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GoatHunter posted...
If she wins we will have a far right block (US, UK, Russia, France) and a leftist block (Germany, china, Canada $


"far right"

ASithLord7 posted...
The Front National are a fascist party with long ties to neo-Nazis, and she and her father are Holocaust deniers.


alternativefaqs. if you knew anything about France youd know she is much more moderate compared to her father.
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ASithLord7
04/24/17 9:32:49 PM
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AmonAmarth posted...
alternativefaqs. if you knew anything about France youd know she is much more moderate compared to her father.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/09/marine-le-pen-denies-french-role-wartime-roundup-paris-jews

But this coming from Amon "the anglosphere is being destroyed" Amarth who clearly lives in America yet fetishizes European whiteness to an alarming degree.
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Hash-Brown
04/24/17 9:35:32 PM
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Antifar posted...
Polls are anonymous; what sort of fear requires you to lie on the phone to a stranger?

That is pretty much what happened. Trump supporters really didn't come forward in the polls.
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Antifar
04/24/17 9:36:24 PM
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Hash-Brown posted...
That is pretty much what happened. Trump supporters really didn't come forward in the polls.


Results were within the margin of error in the swing states he won.
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Milkman5
04/24/17 9:42:10 PM
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so people hate her because they falsely think she's a nazi because she's anti-islam and religion and pro nationalism?

Based on the responses and googling around, I think I get the gist


she's a nazi in the same sense that milo, pewdiepie, jon tron, sargon, trump etc are
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GoatHunter
04/24/17 9:44:59 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
so people hate her because they falsely think she's a nazi because she's anti-islam and religion and pro nationalism?

Based on the responses and googling around, I think I get the gist


she's a nazi in the same sense that milo, pewdiepie, jon tron, sargon, trump etc are


You are not helping your case. Just saying
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AmonAmarth
04/24/17 9:46:07 PM
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ASithLord7 posted...
AmonAmarth posted...
alternativefaqs. if you knew anything about France youd know she is much more moderate compared to her father.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/09/marine-le-pen-denies-french-role-wartime-roundup-paris-jews

But this coming from Amon "the anglosphere is being destroyed" Amarth who clearly lives in America yet fetishizes European whiteness to an alarming degree.


lmao. I dont live in the US.

the point is that Le Pen supports Jews and Israel,
which her father didnt. he was closer to a fascist, where as she is a civic nationalist at best.
hell she argued with her father and kicked him out from the party at one point

All you have to do is look up their differences on the internet. Its not hard mr sjw.
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MilitantHobo
04/24/17 9:48:02 PM
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GoatHunter posted...
If she wins we will have a far right block (US, UK, Russia, France) and a leftist block (Germany, china, Canada $

>China
>Leftist

Is this bait?
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Ammonitida
04/24/17 9:48:08 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
so people hate her because they falsely think she's a nazi because she's anti-islam and religion and pro nationalism?

Based on the responses and googling around, I think I get the gist


she's a nazi in the same sense that milo, pewdiepie, jon tron, sargon, trump etc are


Pewdiepie doesn't belong there.
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Milkman5
04/24/17 9:48:15 PM
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GoatHunter posted...
Milkman5 posted...
so people hate her because they falsely think she's a nazi because she's anti-islam and religion and pro nationalism?

Based on the responses and googling around, I think I get the gist


she's a nazi in the same sense that milo, pewdiepie, jon tron, sargon, trump etc are


You are not helping your case. Just saying


I already know most liberals here probably think the people I listed are full blown neo nazis

but my point is I don't think they are so this does little to convince me.
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Doom_Art
04/24/17 9:49:42 PM
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because she's an idiot and her party was founded by and populated by people who openly collaborated with the Nazis in the Second World War?
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Bio1590
04/24/17 9:50:48 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
mattnd2007 posted...
I say good for france. Hope she gets elected

doubt she will. She's expected to lose in the run-offs according to polls.

I want her to win so bad though.
Plus I want leaders who will work with our president

Then maybe you should have elected a better president.
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Milkman5
04/24/17 9:51:19 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
because she's an idiot and her party was founded by and populated by people who openly collaborated with the Nazis in the Second World War?


the democrats collaborated with the KKK
what comment does that make on today's democrats, it's just a title
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Milkman5
04/24/17 9:54:05 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
Milkman5 posted...
mattnd2007 posted...
I say good for france. Hope she gets elected

doubt she will. She's expected to lose in the run-offs according to polls.

I want her to win so bad though.
Plus I want leaders who will work with our president

Then maybe you should have elected a better president.


I voted Trump and the only decisions he's made I've hated so far is
A. Trying to save dying jobs
B. Bombing the Syrian air base

wasn't against the moab tho because it was aimed at ISIS, which is a real enemy
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ASithLord7
04/24/17 9:54:55 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
Doom_Art posted...
because she's an idiot and her party was founded by and populated by people who openly collaborated with the Nazis in the Second World War?


the democrats collaborated with the KKK
what comment does that make on today's democrats, it's just a title

Her fucking father founded the party and shes an antisemite too
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Solar_Crimson
04/24/17 9:55:56 PM
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ASithLord7 posted...
The Front National are a fascist party with long ties to neo-Nazis, and she and her father are Holocaust deniers.

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Milkman5
04/24/17 9:57:23 PM
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I can't find anything on the holocaust denying just something where she said she doesn't blame france for rounding up 13,000 jews for Germany or something
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Letron_James
04/24/17 9:57:25 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
Doom_Art posted...
because she's an idiot and her party was founded by and populated by people who openly collaborated with the Nazis in the Second World War?


the democrats collaborated with the KKK
what comment does that make on today's democrats, it's just a title


Ladies and Gents we have a logical mastermind on our hands.
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kel854
04/24/17 10:02:04 PM
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Thought she had a popular father or husband.
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Doom_Art
04/24/17 10:13:21 PM
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Letron_James posted...
Ladies and Gents we have a logical mastermind on our hands.

Well I mean it's like, I have seen that comparison come up before.

If the Democrats were associating with the KKK within the last decade, much as the FN has had Vichy members and fascist policies/individuals in the party within the last few years, maybe the comparison would be a bit mroe apt
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wah_wah_wah
04/24/17 10:14:53 PM
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Le Pen is the real deal nationalist, not simply a mirroring salesman like the President. Every force in the EU will do everything they can to defeat her. There will be no split response.
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Ammonitida
04/24/17 10:16:34 PM
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Letron_James posted...
Milkman5 posted...
Doom_Art posted...
because she's an idiot and her party was founded by and populated by people who openly collaborated with the Nazis in the Second World War?


the democrats collaborated with the KKK
what comment does that make on today's democrats, it's just a title


Ladies and Gents we have a logical mastermind on our hands.


Democrats now collaborate with BLM. Some things never change.
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Doom_Art
04/24/17 10:17:31 PM
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Ammonitida posted...
Democrats now collaborate with BLM. Some things never change.

Lol I'm not a fan of BLM, but BLM = KKK?

Let it never be said the right doesn't have a flair for dramatics
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