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REMercsChamp 04/24/17 5:49:26 PM #1: |
http://www.bnn.ca/ontario-to-launch-basic-income-project-in-three-cities-1.732814
Great news lazy freeloaders, your messiah is here! Ontario is launching a basic income pilot project this spring, aimed at providing financial stability for low-income residents in a time of precarious work and a changing economy. Premier Kathleen Wynne announced the details of the province's three-year basic income project during a speech in Hamilton Monday. "The project will explore the effectiveness of providing a basic income to people who are currently living on low incomes, whether they are working or not," Wynne said. "People participating in our pilot communities will receive a minimum amount of income each year -- a basic income, no matter what." The pilot will launch in the Hamilton area -- including in Brantford, Ont., and Brant County -- and the Thunder Bay, Ont.,-area late this spring, and in Lindsay, Ont., this fall, with a minimum payment of nearly $17,000 for an eligible single person. I'm sure these guys will use that extra money to really haul ass and upgrade their education and skills to become valuable members of society! --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gamer99z 04/24/17 5:50:36 PM #2: |
Did a universal basic income kill your dog or something? Because you make like a dozen topics a week about it for no reason...
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eggcorn 04/24/17 5:51:35 PM #3: |
Gamer99z posted...
Did a universal basic income kill your dog or something? Because you make like a dozen topics a week about it for no reason... do you follow tc or what lmao ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gamer99z 04/24/17 5:56:50 PM #4: |
eggcorn posted...
Gamer99z posted...Did a universal basic income kill your dog or something? Because you make like a dozen topics a week about it for no reason... I don't know anything about TC other than the fact that I've noticed every single topic lately on this subject has been made by him. Which isn't a hard trend to pick up on after seeing almost a dozen. Is this his gimmick or something? --- "You need to lay off the peanut-butthurt and u-jelly sandwiches" - Neon Octopus ... Copied to Clipboard!
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REMercsChamp 04/24/17 5:57:25 PM #5: |
eggcorn posted...
Gamer99z posted...Did a universal basic income kill your dog or something? Because you make like a dozen topics a week about it for no reason... When you're unemployed and spend all day on GameFAQs you tend to notice or track these things to help kill the time. Some of these guys know my posting history better than I do. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 04/24/17 5:59:29 PM #6: |
REMercsChamp posted...
I'm sure these guys will use that extra money to really haul ass and upgrade their education and skills to become valuable members of society! Well I mean results would indicate from previous trials that yes, this is exactly what happens. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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John_Galt 04/24/17 5:59:50 PM #7: |
That's not basic income
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REMercsChamp 04/24/17 6:00:53 PM #8: |
John_Galt posted...
That's not basic income That's what basic income is. Giving free money to unemployed drug addicts and ex-goat farmers so they can become astronauts and CEOs --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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REMercsChamp 04/24/17 6:01:47 PM #9: |
Doom_Art posted...
REMercsChamp posted...I'm sure these guys will use that extra money to really haul ass and upgrade their education and skills to become valuable members of society! Yes, "trials". Done under tightly controlled and supervised conditions. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/24/17 6:01:48 PM #10: |
John_Galt posted...
That's not basic income If it's means-tested, it's definitely just welfare. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 04/24/17 6:01:57 PM #11: |
I mean, do you have a legitimate criticism of the program apart from this weird emotionally charged thing you have going on right now?
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I4NRulez 04/24/17 6:02:05 PM #12: |
John_Galt posted...
That's not basic income So? Not everyone who receives welfare abuses it. My mom lost her job when i was a kid and used welfare and food stamps for like a year and then got back on her feet and is ok now. Sure, there are people that abuse the system but its a small number of people and theres a lot of people who need help. having a supplemental income would help a lot for low income people. --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 04/24/17 6:02:59 PM #13: |
Also yes, not a fan of making this exclusive to lower classes at all. UBI is for everyone, that's the point
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REMercsChamp 04/24/17 6:03:28 PM #14: |
Doom_Art posted...
I mean, do you have a legitimate criticism of the program apart from this weird emotionally charged thing you have going on right now? Besides the fact that the working population will have their taxes raised so they can support people who have basically become obsolete and sit around playing video games all day? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Makeveli_lives 04/24/17 6:03:29 PM #15: |
Minimum wage in Ontario is 11.60 according to the internet for a"standard job". That's 24K and change in a year.
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I4NRulez 04/24/17 6:04:30 PM #16: |
Makeveli_lives posted...
Minimum wage in Ontario is 11.60 according to the internet for a"standard job". That's 24K and change in a year. That assuming everyone works full time --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sativa_Rose 04/24/17 6:06:15 PM #17: |
This actually isn't a universal basic income, because the "universal" part is missing. For it to be universal, it would have to be available to everyone, and this is just for low-income folks. Should be interesting to see what happens.
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Doom_Art 04/24/17 6:06:26 PM #18: |
REMercsChamp posted...
working population will have their taxes raised where did the article say that REMercsChamp posted... people who have basically become obsolete and sit around playing video games all day? Well again, you're not arguing based on any sort of real criticism. You're saying you think this will happen, you feel like it might, and it pulls out quite the reaction in you it seems, but you're not really basing it on anything other than your own emotions. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/24/17 6:06:55 PM #19: |
I4NRulez posted...
having a supplemental income would help a lot for low income people. The problem is, if there's a cutoff point, it becomes just another welfare trap. If it's only available to someone making less than, lets say $17000 otherwise, that person's income will be up to $34000, then collapses to $17001 when that person no longer qualifies. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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REMercsChamp 04/24/17 6:07:21 PM #20: |
Doom_Art posted...
Well again, you're not arguing based on any sort of real criticism. You're saying you think this will happen, you feel like it might, and it pulls out quite the reaction in you it seems, but you're not really basing it on anything other than your own emotions. The majority of the population on Earth is lazy and stupid. What the fuck do you think will happen. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sojy 04/24/17 6:08:15 PM #21: |
Honestly if someone gave me $17,000 for doing jack shit I'd want to repay them somehow. That's a community that makes you want to work for it.
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Doom_Art 04/24/17 6:08:51 PM #22: |
REMercsChamp posted...
The majority of the population on Earth is lazy and stupid. Source? REMercsChamp posted... What the fuck do you think will happen. Well I mean based on the results of previous trials, especially based on the article you posted, more people working, healthier, spending more, and with no real drop in employment --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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REMercsChamp 04/24/17 6:09:32 PM #23: |
Doom_Art posted...
Source? Being alive for 29 years? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 04/24/17 6:11:37 PM #24: |
REMercsChamp posted...
Being alive for 29 years? So again, we're back to just "feelings" --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/24/17 6:13:00 PM #25: |
Doom_Art posted...
Well I mean based on the results of previous trials, especially based on the article you posted, more people working, healthier, spending more, and with no real drop in employment As I recall, these trials were back in the 70s. Why were they abandoned, if they worked out so great? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincome_Program ... Copied to Clipboard!
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faizan_faizan 04/24/17 6:15:49 PM #26: |
REMercsChamp posted...
John_Galt posted...That's not basic income Better than an internet forum poster. --- Allergic to bull****. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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I4NRulez 04/24/17 6:16:01 PM #27: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
The problem is, if there's a cutoff point, it becomes just another welfare trap. that's why its just a supplemental income. I don't think the government should pay people to live without contributing. but the government should try to help people who prove they are trying to contribute. So essentially it should provide support up to say 10k a year. So a single mother of 2 who makes 20k a year would be a lot better off with the 800 extra bucks a month. there should obviously be some type of scaling but i think it should have an enrollment period like health care. I don't have all the answers but i think it can work. --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anisoptera 04/24/17 6:16:07 PM #28: |
Getting a job requires nice clothes, a car, insurance, and a smartphone. You may even have to have certain clothes and shoes/boots for certain jobs. This welfare program will help struggling families find work.
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I4NRulez 04/24/17 6:18:19 PM #29: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Doom_Art posted...Well I mean based on the results of previous trials, especially based on the article you posted, more people working, healthier, spending more, and with no real drop in employment looks like it was set up by the left and shut down by the right without a final verdict on if it worked or not --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scody 04/24/17 6:22:49 PM #30: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Doom_Art posted...Well I mean based on the results of previous trials, especially based on the article you posted, more people working, healthier, spending more, and with no real drop in employment If you actually read the first paragraph of the Wiki, it clearly says that it was started by the two left wing parties in Canada, and immediately shut down by the right wing once they got power. Basic reading comprehension goes a long way. --- Does anyone here ever ask their parents for advice on anything? - InfiniteFox CE has replaced my parents - Omnieval ... Copied to Clipboard!
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REMercsChamp 04/24/17 6:26:38 PM #31: |
Scody posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...Doom_Art posted...Well I mean based on the results of previous trials, especially based on the article you posted, more people working, healthier, spending more, and with no real drop in employment Right. And the people voted in a party who shut that shit down immediately. Much like what is going to happen to Wynne in Ontario next year. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sojy 04/24/17 6:28:15 PM #32: |
faizan_faizan posted...
REMercsChamp posted...John_Galt posted...That's not basic income I just don't get why he's this misanthropic. Imagine being as perpetually butthurt as this loser is about downtrodden people receiving assistance. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 04/24/17 6:28:48 PM #33: |
REMercsChamp posted...
And the people voted in a party who shut that shit down immediately. Well I mean if you're suggesting that the reason most people voted for the right wing party was because of the UBI pilot program, then sure. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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REMercsChamp 04/24/17 6:29:30 PM #34: |
Doom_Art posted...
REMercsChamp posted...And the people voted in a party who shut that shit down immediately. I'm sure it's one of the reasons. Wynne has a 10% approval rating right now. The UBI is part of the problem. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 04/24/17 6:30:14 PM #35: |
REMercsChamp posted...
I'm sure it's one of the reasons. Source? --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HydraSlayer82 04/24/17 6:31:33 PM #36: |
This is just welfare not ubi.
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Questionmarktarius 04/24/17 6:33:28 PM #37: |
Scody posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...Doom_Art posted...Well I mean based on the results of previous trials, especially based on the article you posted, more people working, healthier, spending more, and with no real drop in employment Five years is not "immediately". ... Copied to Clipboard!
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REMercsChamp 04/24/17 6:33:41 PM #38: |
Sojy posted...
faizan_faizan posted...REMercsChamp posted...John_Galt posted...That's not basic income Sure man, call me the loser, but I'm not the one doing nothing with my life, becoming obsolete and begging for free handouts. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ClockworkHare 04/24/17 7:01:53 PM #40: |
"The project will explore the effectiveness of providing a basic income to people who are currently living on low incomes, whether they are working or not," Okay not a fan of that last part. Hope they got a solution for lighting a fire under couch potatoes. --- Bite me like one of your French rolls. http://ultraimg.com/images/2016/11/11/xWp0.gif http://ultraimg.com/images/2016/11/11/xWpz.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/24/17 8:04:03 PM #41: |
ClockworkHare posted...
"The project will explore the effectiveness of providing a basic income to people who are currently living on low incomes, whether they are working or not," The trick to doing so is to make the free money not all that great, and gradually take it back as the recipient moves up. The one in the 70s, and most Negative Income Tax plans, take back 50 cents of every dollar earned, in exchange for an income floor. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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REMercsChamp 04/24/17 8:09:18 PM #42: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
ClockworkHare posted..."The project will explore the effectiveness of providing a basic income to people who are currently living on low incomes, whether they are working or not," So you can exchange doing nothing for a 50% income tax rate. And because 99% of the people on Earth are honest, hard working and intelligent, and interested in personal/career development, of course they will take the route of working hard and getting educated or acquiring new skills rather than taking the free money and shit posting on CE all day. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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