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andel posted...

AltonBrownFan posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

AltonBrownFan posted...

Which just leads me back to the initial question you've been ignoring ever since I asked it. If spirited debate is all that it takes for these views to die out, then why didn't it?

It is though

And violence, as it turns out, had the opposite effect. Nobody would know who Richard Spencer was if he was left to spout his nonsense on his own.

Which leads me back to the other question you've been ignoring ever since I asked it. If spirited debate is all it ever takes for those views to die out then why was the National guard necessary to enforce integration?

this has already been answered, which you ignored. sorry, you will not be changing the law to justify vigilante behavior because people are saying mean things. not gonna happen

What does that have to do with what I've been asking about the national guard?
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AltonBrownFan posted...

What does that have to do with what I've been asking about the national guard?

Can you actually not tell the difference between using force to uphold the law and using force to silence dissenting opinions?
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Mal_Fet posted...

AltonBrownFan posted...

What does that have to do with what I've been asking about the national guard?

Can you actually not tell the difference between using force to uphold the law and using force to silence dissenting opinions?

The discussion is about debating white supremacists and their rhetoric. You guys keep on saying that all it takes for it to go away is a debate. I'm bringing up an instance where it took far more than a spirited debate to make it go away and you keep on dodging the point. Why do you keep on ignoring a real life instance of white supremacist rhetoric and what it took for it to go away? If you're so sure that all it takes for it to go away is a spirited debate then why do you keep on ignoring the question?
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hockeybub89 posted...

If Nazis somehow take over part of America and build ghettos and camps, you can be sure as shit the military will intervene.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American_Bund
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AltonBrownFan posted...

The discussion is about debating white supremacists and their rhetoric. You guys keep on saying that all it takes for it to go away is a debate.

No one ever said that debating a Nazi will always convince them to stop being a Nazi

You, meanwhile, have avoided the question of how punching Nazis will change their mind this entire time.

And no, enforcing civil rights laws didn't make anyone change their mind. No KKK member ever said "well the law says they have equal rights now. I guess I'll stop being a racist."
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pinky0926 posted...

https://trends.google.co.uk/trends/explore?date=all&q=richard%20spencer

This is pretty much the only reason that matters, imo. Whether it's morally justifiable or not is secondary to the fact that this guy could have faded into complete obscurity just like the irrelevant fuck he should be, but now he's a minor internet celebrity.

This goes for almost every single politically correct "we're going to silence you" incident. How do people not realize that, in addition to be wrong, it's stupid?

AltonBrownFan posted...

Which leads me back to the other question you've been ignoring ever since I asked it. If spirited debate is all it ever takes for those views to die out then why was the National guard necessary to enforce integration?

A better question is why isn't the National Guard necessary to enforce free speech on campuses.

There's also the fact that the radical left will call ANYONE who doesn't agree with them racist/Nazi, regardless of their views. Which makes it absolutely ok to assault them, in their eyes. Remember, the only thing that punching them says is, "I can't argue with your points, so I'll resort to violence."

And now I'll be labeled a Nazi sympathizer.
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gmanthebest posted...

There's also the fact that the radical left will call ANYONE who doesn't agree with them racist/Nazi, regardless of their views. Which makes it absolutely ok to assault them, in their eyes. Remember, the only thing that punching them says is, "I can't argue with your points, so I'll resort to violence."

And now I'll be labeled a Nazi sympathizer.

You're suggesting Nazis have points that are valid and worthy of discussion
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gunplagirl posted...

gmanthebest posted...

There's also the fact that the radical left will call ANYONE who doesn't agree with them racist/Nazi, regardless of their views. Which makes it absolutely ok to assault them, in their eyes. Remember, the only thing that punching them says is, "I can't argue with your points, so I'll resort to violence."

And now I'll be labeled a Nazi sympathizer.

You're suggesting Nazis have points that are valid and worthy of discussion

Inside their minds, they do. That's all that matters to them. Even if you can't change their stupid minds, attacking them isn't the way to gain support for your side.
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gmanthebest posted...

gunplagirl posted...

gmanthebest posted...

There's also the fact that the radical left will call ANYONE who doesn't agree with them racist/Nazi, regardless of their views. Which makes it absolutely ok to assault them, in their eyes. Remember, the only thing that punching them says is, "I can't argue with your points, so I'll resort to violence."

And now I'll be labeled a Nazi sympathizer.

You're suggesting Nazis have points that are valid and worthy of discussion

Inside their minds, they do. That's all that matters to them. Even if you can't change their stupid minds, attacking them isn't the way to gain support for your side.

It's not about gaining support
It is entirely about making Nazis afraid to be in public, so they can't threaten anyone. Our laws won't punish them whereas the rest of the world has seemingly made Nazi views and items explicitly illegal. So we can't just let the law handle them for us and throw them in jail until they act out and get caught. But then you'll have victims.
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gunplagirl posted...

gmanthebest posted...

gunplagirl posted...

gmanthebest posted...

There's also the fact that the radical left will call ANYONE who doesn't agree with them racist/Nazi, regardless of their views. Which makes it absolutely ok to assault them, in their eyes. Remember, the only thing that punching them says is, "I can't argue with your points, so I'll resort to violence."

And now I'll be labeled a Nazi sympathizer.

You're suggesting Nazis have points that are valid and worthy of discussion

Inside their minds, they do. That's all that matters to them. Even if you can't change their stupid minds, attacking them isn't the way to gain support for your side.

It's not about gaining support
It is entirely about making Nazis afraid to be in public, so they can't threaten anyone. Our laws won't punish them whereas the rest of the world has seemingly made Nazi views and items explicitly illegal. So we can't just let the law handle them for us and throw them in jail until they act out and get caught. But then you'll have victims.

You can't attack someone for their views, no matter how heinous. And what happens when the radical left just calls someone a Nazi, even if they aren't? (They do that with "racist" enough as it is) Guess it's ok to assault them.
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gunplagirl posted...

gmanthebest posted...

gunplagirl posted...

gmanthebest posted...

There's also the fact that the radical left will call ANYONE who doesn't agree with them racist/Nazi, regardless of their views. Which makes it absolutely ok to assault them, in their eyes. Remember, the only thing that punching them says is, "I can't argue with your points, so I'll resort to violence."

And now I'll be labeled a Nazi sympathizer.

You're suggesting Nazis have points that are valid and worthy of discussion

Inside their minds, they do. That's all that matters to them. Even if you can't change their stupid minds, attacking them isn't the way to gain support for your side.

It's not about gaining support
It is entirely about making Nazis afraid to be in public, so they can't threaten anyone. Our laws won't punish them whereas the rest of the world has seemingly made Nazi views and items explicitly illegal. So we can't just let the law handle them for us and throw them in jail until they act out and get caught. But then you'll have victims.

Lol

Richard Spencer has only gotten more public since getting punched

So how many more punches do you figure it will take before you realize that your idea is only giving him a bigger platform, not a smaller one?
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Mal_Fet posted...

gunplagirl posted...

gmanthebest posted...

gunplagirl posted...

gmanthebest posted...

There's also the fact that the radical left will call ANYONE who doesn't agree with them racist/Nazi, regardless of their views. Which makes it absolutely ok to assault them, in their eyes. Remember, the only thing that punching them says is, "I can't argue with your points, so I'll resort to violence."

And now I'll be labeled a Nazi sympathizer.

You're suggesting Nazis have points that are valid and worthy of discussion

Inside their minds, they do. That's all that matters to them. Even if you can't change their stupid minds, attacking them isn't the way to gain support for your side.

It's not about gaining support
It is entirely about making Nazis afraid to be in public, so they can't threaten anyone. Our laws won't punish them whereas the rest of the world has seemingly made Nazi views and items explicitly illegal. So we can't just let the law handle them for us and throw them in jail until they act out and get caught. But then you'll have victims.

Lol

Richard Spencer has only gotten more public since getting punched

So how many more punches do you figure it will take before you realize that your idea is only giving him a bigger platform, not a smaller one?

Then we will punch him harder, break his jaw maybe. Leave him terrified.
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Mal_Fet posted...

gunplagirl posted...

gmanthebest posted...

gunplagirl posted...

gmanthebest posted...

There's also the fact that the radical left will call ANYONE who doesn't agree with them racist/Nazi, regardless of their views. Which makes it absolutely ok to assault them, in their eyes. Remember, the only thing that punching them says is, "I can't argue with your points, so I'll resort to violence."

And now I'll be labeled a Nazi sympathizer.

You're suggesting Nazis have points that are valid and worthy of discussion

Inside their minds, they do. That's all that matters to them. Even if you can't change their stupid minds, attacking them isn't the way to gain support for your side.

It's not about gaining support
It is entirely about making Nazis afraid to be in public, so they can't threaten anyone. Our laws won't punish them whereas the rest of the world has seemingly made Nazi views and items explicitly illegal. So we can't just let the law handle them for us and throw them in jail until they act out and get caught. But then you'll have victims.

Lol

Richard Spencer has only gotten more public since getting punched

So how many more punches do you figure it will take before you realize that your idea is only giving him a bigger platform, not a smaller one?

Pretty much. All that's happened since this "punch nazis" stupidity is that:

1. Richard Spencer has gotten more attention than he could have even paid for, which now gives him a national platform
2. Liberals look like violent morons and don't seem like they have a legitimate position that can be defended without violating the law

Like every other strategy liberals have had over the last 4 years, their lack of emotional control completely undermines the very issue they seem to care about. They've actually managed to turn disgusting neo-Nazis into the victims. Almost impossible to do, but this is the same group that managed to lose to Trump, so never underestimate their potential for failure.
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gunplagirl posted...

Then we will punch him harder, break his jaw maybe. Leave him terrified.

Lol look out we got a badass over here!

No. All you'll accomplish is making him more of a martyr than he already is, give him MORE media attention, and embolden his peers.

No one gave a shit about Richard Spencer until someone hit him. Imagine the media attention he would have if he were hospitalized by some smelly dreadlocked communist. You are advocating for making Nazis look relatively superior to leftists.
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gunplagirl posted...

Then we will punch him harder, break his jaw maybe. Leave him terrified.

You're just making him a martyr you troll. Stop that.
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AltonBrownFan posted...

andel posted...

the kkk was shut down because society progressed and they were prosecuted for violence or other crimes they committed.

How did this progression occur? Do you believe it's justifiable to send the National Guard out whenever neo-nazis hold a protest?

because there were activists who went undercover, decided to gather information, and use it against the KKK. Getting the IRS to collect a 700k tax lean (in the 1950's), providing information about the KKK's plans to carry out attacks against blacks, jews. Passing on their rituals and codes which were then used to mock them in a radio broadcast of a superman program(which caused their recruitment to drop significantly). One of those people was Stetson Kennedy

You also had people like Daryl Davis go out and meet with kkk members and befriend them over a period of time. He has a closet full of hoods of ex KKK members, including an imperial wizard.

That is how the progression occurred, Not through the stupidity of violence
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