Current Events > Diet drinks may triple your risk of stroke and dementia, new study suggests.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4429790/Diet-drinks-TRIPLE-risk-stroke-dementia.html

"Adults who have at least one diet drink a day are three times more at risk from a stroke or dementia, research shows today."

"In this latest study - published in the American Heart Association's journal Stroke - researchers looked at 4,372 adults over the age of 45.
They had filled in detailed questionnaires on their food and drink intake in the 1990s and were then tracked for ten years."

"The researchers are still not sure whether diet drinks are causing strokes or dementia – or whether those who consume them are at higher risk anyway."

And before you lol daily mail me,

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/20/health/diet-sodas-stroke-dementia-study/
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so people are gonna have to choose between diabetes and stroke/dementia
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Your second source is Lol CNN though...
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thronedfire2 posted...

so people are gonna have to choose between diabetes and stroke/dementia

Maybe. But I would argue if you aren't a large sugar consumer to begin with, it would probably be better to err on the side of caution and choose to consume something natural versus artificial chemicals produced in a laboratory.
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That's what I have been telling people about concerning the dangers of those diet drinks for years, though they said that was a conspiracy theory.

Anyway, so there you go, I guess, if CNN says it it must finally be legit.
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"The researchers are still not sure whether diet drinks are causing strokes or dementia – or whether those who consume them are at higher risk anyway."

and thats the issue with nutritional studies

Diet sodas tastes like crap anyway. Either enjoy the OG or just don't drink sodas at all.
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Capn Circus posted...

thronedfire2 posted...

so people are gonna have to choose between diabetes and stroke/dementia

Maybe. But I would argue if you aren't a large sugar consumer to begin with, it would probably be better to err on the side of caution and choose to consume something natural versus artificial chemicals produced in a laboratory.

And that would be the kind of stupid-ass ignorant argument we're used to from you.
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Capn Circus posted...

And before you lol daily mail me,

I don't have to lol daily mail you.

Diet Soda is regular soda - sugar + aspartame

Aspartame is an essential amino acid

the idea that you are somehow compromising your own health by drinking a substance that contains an essential amino acid is complete fucking nonsense.
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I'll be honest, most of the people I see drinking diet sodas are the "Well look I'm saving calories so I can order anything I want but it's okay because of the diet soda" people.

I know it's a negative stereotype, but it seems to hold true from what I've seen.
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Also: Overweight people both tend to drink diet beverages more, and are naturally higher risk for strokes and dementia, so I'd be curious to see the weight breakdown here.
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Diet soda never made sense to me. Just get the standard version and at least enjoy yourself before the health detriments kick in.
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

Diet soda never made sense to me. Just get the standard version and at least enjoy yourself because the health detriments kick in.

Diet drinks have no proven health detriments, sugar has very proven, very quantifiable health detriments.
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study p-values on dementia are shit

solid on stroke, though there are many other factors you can maintain that could reduce the impact

shit headlines that misrepresent the story are shit
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lol dailymail
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Darkman124 posted...

study p-values on dementia are shit

solid on stroke, though there are many other factors you can maintain that could reduce the impact

stroke isn't a death sentence, gotta get to the doctor's fast to prevent mortal damage. if only he wasn't so stubborn :(.
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#BloombergWasRight
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Capn Circus posted...

And before you lol daily mail me,

I don't have to lol daily mail you.

Diet Soda is regular soda - sugar + aspartame

Aspartame is an essential amino acid

the idea that you are somehow compromising your own health by drinking a substance that contains an essential amino acid is complete fucking nonsense.

Aspartame technically isn't an essential amino acid, but it's derived from one.

Don't read too much into this. I'm just sharing a study. And don't criticize me on what I choose to ingest into my body. I happen to not be very fond of sweets and don't drink too much soda, also Diet soda to me does taste awful and fake. I don't think sugar is a major risk for most people if consumed reasonably---certainly not more than anything else we decide to shove down our throats.

I'm just posting an article. More research should be done.
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Capn Circus posted...

Aspartame technically isn't an essential amino acid, but it's derived from one.

It's derived from two. It's two Amino acids bonded together and it just so happens that it ends up tasting sweet. when it breaks down in your body, it breaks down as the normal amino acids that it's made from.
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Capn Circus posted...

I don't think sugar is a major risk for most people if consumed reasonably---certainly not more than anything else we decide to shove down our throats.

37g of added sugars per days is considered "reasonable"/safe.

That's less than a single can of coke. And WAY less than most Americans consume each day total.
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lol diet soda. just don't drink soda at all then
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But don't diet drinks have that one chemical that starts with a P that supposedly causes cancer?
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Sting posted...

But don't diet drinks have that one chemical that starts with a P that supposedly causes cancer?

...I sure hope you don't mean phenylalanine.
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Sting posted...

But don't diet drinks have that one chemical that starts with a P that supposedly causes cancer?

You mean Phenylalanine? The essential amino acid that you need in order to continue living? Then the answer is no. I mean they have it, but it doesn't cause cancer. It's essential to life.
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GigaSPX posted...

Diet sodas tastes like crap anyway. Either enjoy the OG or just don't drink sodas at all.

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Key posted...

GigaSPX posted...

Diet sodas tastes like crap anyway. Either enjoy the OG or just don't drink sodas at all.

I like the taste of diet coke, and it provides some sweetness, carbonation, and caffeine without the downsides of soda.

So.

No.
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Diet sodas and drinks always taste to me like that immediate taste you have in the back of your throat due to mucus accumulation just before you have a flu.
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FlashOfLight posted...

Diet sodas and drinks always taste to me like that immediate taste you have in the back of your throat due to mucus accumulation just before you have a flu.

pretty much everyone feels the same way, but if you force yourself to drink it exclusively, you end up getting used to it, and then when you go back to try regular soda a few years down the road it tastes like you're drinking corn syrup

because you are
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ChromaticAngel posted...

FlashOfLight posted...

Diet sodas and drinks always taste to me like that immediate taste you have in the back of your throat due to mucus accumulation just before you have a flu.

pretty much everyone feels the same way, but if you force yourself to drink it exclusively, you end up getting used to it, and then when you go back to try regular soda a few years down the road it tastes like you're drinking corn syrup

because you are

Yeah I can't stand the aftertaste/mouthfeel of regular soda now.
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thronedfire2 posted...

so people are gonna have to choose between diabetes and stroke/dementia

They could choose to not drink soda which has no nutritional value no matter how you slice it.
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ASithLord7 posted...

Key posted...

GigaSPX posted...

Diet sodas tastes like crap anyway. Either enjoy the OG or just don't drink sodas at all.

I like the taste of diet coke, and it provides some sweetness, carbonation, and caffeine without the downsides of soda.

So.

No.

Diet soda definitely has down sides of its own. And taste like shit.

So.

Yes.
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Note to self: No bottled candy water is healthy

"People ask me, 'Hey Gabriel, why do you drink diet Coke?' I go so that I can have regular strokes."
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ASithLord7 posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

pretty much everyone feels the same way, but if you force yourself to drink it exclusively, you end up getting used to it, and then when you go back to try regular soda a few years down the road it tastes like you're drinking corn syrup

because you are

Yeah I can't stand the aftertaste/mouthfeel of regular soda now.

Interesting, guys.

Again, I can't stand the stuff personally, I just can't get to enjoy it, it's like a fake soda or drink to me.
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My boss drinks two or three cans of diet Dr. Pepper every day at work. He sometimes goes to get another can before even opening the one he already has.
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rattlesnake30 posted...

"The researchers are still not sure whether diet drinks are causing strokes or dementia – or whether those who consume them are at higher risk anyway."

and thats the issue with nutritional studies

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ASithLord7 posted...

Capn Circus posted...

I don't think sugar is a major risk for most people if consumed reasonably---certainly not more than anything else we decide to shove down our throats.

37g of added sugars per days is considered "reasonable"/safe.

That's less than a single can of coke. And WAY less than most Americans consume each day total.

That's good to know, I didn't realize the threshold was so low.

Do you know any other items people regularly over consume that are above what is considered reasonably safe (besides straight up calorie consumption, that's a given)?
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lilJoe457 posted...

thronedfire2 posted...

so people are gonna have to choose between diabetes and stroke/dementia

They could choose to not drink soda which has no nutritional value no matter how you slice it.

And soda does?
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Capn Circus posted...

Do you know any other items people regularly over consume that are above what is considered reasonably safe (besides straight up calorie consumption, that's a given)?

There are some meals you can get that contain more calories than an entire day's worth of food. Chipolte is a huge offender of this with their gigantic burritos.

a regular soda, burrito (with carnitas, rice, pinto beans, cheese, sour cream, and guacamole) and chips at Chipolte comes out to more than 2000 calories.
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Key posted...

Diet soda definitely has down sides of its own

Not proven, no.

Capn Circus posted...

Do you know any other items people regularly over consume that are above what is considered reasonably safe (besides straight up calorie consumption, that's a given)?

Caffeine probably. 300-400mg is considered safe to not experience the harmful side-effects, and just the other day a lot of people on CE seemed to think 600-1000mg was fine.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Capn Circus posted...

Do you know any other items people regularly over consume that are above what is considered reasonably safe (besides straight up calorie consumption, that's a given)?

There are some meals you can get that contain more calories than an entire day's worth of food. Chipolte is a huge offender of this with their gigantic burritos.

a regular soda, burrito (with carnitas, rice, pinto beans, cheese, sour cream, and guacamole) and chips at Chipolte comes out to more than 2000 calories.

That's crazy, I have a hard time believing that. Beans and rice seem to make up a large part of the burritos and those two items don't contain much calories. Guacamole I'm not so sure about. It would seem the biggest contributors would be the dough, meat, and cheese (and sour cream being the last, not considering rice or beans)
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it is influenced by the fact that the soda and chips alone are like 800 calories

the biggest calorie sources in the burrito are the tortilla and the cheese.
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Capn Circus posted...

That's crazy, I have a hard time believing that. Beans and rice seem to make up a large part of the burritos and those two items don't contain much calories. Guacamole I'm not so sure about. It would seem the biggest contributors would be the dough, meat, and cheese (and sour cream being the last)

the wheat flour tortilla by itself is something crazy like 650 calories.
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Darkman124 posted...

it is influenced by the fact that the soda and chips alone are like 800 calories

the biggest calorie sources in the burrito are the tortilla and the cheese.

But Sodas actually don't have that many calories. Usually less than 200
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Capn Circus posted...

Darkman124 posted...

it is influenced by the fact that the soda and chips alone are like 800 calories

the biggest calorie sources in the burrito are the tortilla and the cheese.

But Sodas actually don't have that many calories. Usually less than 200

In a can or bottle, sure. A "regular" soda at a restaurant? Nah.
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Capn Circus posted...

Darkman124 posted...

it is influenced by the fact that the soda and chips alone are like 800 calories

the biggest calorie sources in the burrito are the tortilla and the cheese.

But Sodas actually don't have that many calories. Usually less than 200

a small coke at chipotle is 180 calories
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Capn Circus posted...

That's crazy, I have a hard time believing that. Beans and rice seem to make up a large part of the burritos and those two items don't contain much calories. Guacamole I'm not so sure about. It would seem the biggest contributors would be the dough, meat, and cheese (and sour cream being the last)

the wheat flour tortilla by itself is something crazy like 650 calories.

Well at least I would argue it's a 2,000 productive calories, overall. Though having a bowl instead of the tortilla would be the healthier option.
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Capn Circus posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Capn Circus posted...

That's crazy, I have a hard time believing that. Beans and rice seem to make up a large part of the burritos and those two items don't contain much calories. Guacamole I'm not so sure about. It would seem the biggest contributors would be the dough, meat, and cheese (and sour cream being the last)

the wheat flour tortilla by itself is something crazy like 650 calories.

Well at least I would argue it's a 2,000 productive calories, overall. Though having a bowl instead of the tortilla would be the healthier option.

Chipolte in their defense said the bowl is much more popular than the burrito, but still.
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ASithLord7 posted...

Also: Overweight people both tend to drink diet beverages more, and are naturally higher risk for strokes and dementia, so I'd be curious to see the weight breakdown here.

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