Board 8 > Are speed limit rules pointless? I always feel like I can safely go faster.

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All these rules just make me wonder if it's all an easy convenient scheme to collect loads of $$$$$ from the public.

increase the speed limit to 80 and you'll have people going 95

just because people aren't strictly obeying the limits doesn't mean they are pointless.

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increase the speed limit to 80 and you'll have people going 95

this. people don't follow the rules, but they try to break the rules just under what they think they will get caught for. if people played by the rules, speed limits could be set higher.

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It also has to do with stationary drivers trying to get on the road.

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James_F_Ryan posted...

All these rules just make me wonder if it's all an easy convenient scheme to collect loads of $$$$$ from the public.

this is common knowledge, you don't have quotas for how many tickets cops have to hand out if you're simply concerned about safety.

Speed Limits exist for a reason.

Speed TRAPS are blatant moneymakers that prioritize money over safety.

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They aren't entirely pointless unless you feel people should be driving 110 mph in a school zone or something.

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swordz9 posted...

They aren't entirely pointless unless you feel people should be driving 110 mph in a school zone or something.

natural selection, dude.

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Speed limits are hard to enforce when you can only nail so many people for speeding at a time.

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Speed Limits are determined by how fast people drive on that road, for the most part. They are designed to catch outliers, which are dangerous.

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Man, I would not want to live in a world where children can evade 110 mph cars with ease.

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or kids just don't go in the road.

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Aren't there a couple of states trying 80 MPH limits?

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KingButz posted...

Speed Limits are determined by how fast people drive on that road, for the most part. They are designed to catch outliers, which are dangerous.

LOL

From: Menji76 | #013
Aren't there a couple of states trying 80 MPH limits?
I don't think this is something new. Arizona and Utah have this already on their empty highways

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From: Liquid Wind | #014
KingButz posted...

Speed Limits are determined by how fast people drive on that road, for the most part. They are designed to catch outliers, which are dangerous.

LOL
I assume you don't know that I have actually studied this.

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Some of them are pointless. Germany's Autobahns don't have a speed limit for instance iirc and they get on OK.

Obviously in country lanes and populated areas I think they are very necessary

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It's a risk/reward thing. The risk is small because you don't get pulled over every time (or even close to every time) you speed. That's why people who get a ticket will watch their speed for a month or two and then go back to their normal routine.

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I assume you don't know that I have actually studied this.

it's rare that people actually go the speed limit, it's also erroneous to assume that outliers are "dangerous" simply by being outliers

Liquid Wind posted...

I assume you don't know that I have actually studied this.

it's rare that people actually go the speed limit, it's also erroneous to assume that outliers are "dangerous" simply by being outliers

People don't go the speed limit because the speed limit exists and they subconsciously think they have to go faster. Limits are first made based on how fast people drive on average without problem. The problem then occurs that when you post a "30" based on how people DID drive, idiots suddenly think they have to go 45 to challenge that.

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And having taken criminal justice classes and the like, cops have ticket quotas BECAUSE of safety, actually. It's to force action. Like you said... A lot of people speed. It's too easy to go "Everybody's doing it, why bother?" The quotas force the cops to take action and atleast catch some of them, because whether you like it or not, speed limits exist for a reason. And people are less likely to speed after they've received a ticket.

It's flawed, of course, but that's the idea behind it.

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From: Liquid Wind | #019
I assume you don't know that I have actually studied this.

it's rare that people actually go the speed limit, it's also erroneous to assume that outliers are "dangerous" simply by being outliers
I didn't say that most people don't speed. But any cop worth his badge won't pull over the people that are driving with the flow of traffic (if only because he can't pull over them all), even if that is 10 mph over the speed limit. Believe it or not, if you are driving 10 mph faster than the other cars in traffic, you are dangerous. The chances of another car hitting you are significantly higher.

When traffic is flowing, outliers ARE dangerous, whether they are going 15 mph faster or 15 mph slower, they pose an increased risk to other drivers. This is something which is very easy for an officer to see; one car is going faster than all the others.

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How about you just drive the damn speed limit and quit whining? I seriously don't understand why people speed so much.

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StealThisSheen posted...

And having taken criminal justice classes and the like, cops have ticket quotas BECAUSE of safety, actually. It's to force action. Like you said... A lot of people speed. It's too easy to go "Everybody's doing it, why bother?" The quotas force the cops to take action and atleast catch some of them, because whether you like it or not, speed limits exist for a reason. And people are less likely to speed after they've received a ticket.

It's flawed, of course, but that's the idea behind it.

the simplest explanation is going to be correct more often than something this convoluted. when you literally have NYC cops admitting to fabricating evidence in order to help meet quotas, it should set off an alarm and make people question the motives more. it's a tad disturbing how over trusting a lot of you are

... What? That's on the individual cop. If he wants to stupidly try and meet his quotas, that's on him. That has nothing to do with the PURPOSE of quotas, which is what SEP was talking about

And he admitted it was flawed.

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if the quotas are set higher than they can reach through honest means and the pressure great enough to force those measures, I can't blame that on the officers, that's an institutional problem

Maybe the quotas are too high but that still doesn't necessarily reflect on the motive behind the quotas. You said "the simplest answer is going to be correct more often", and "the government sets quotas high to draw in more ticket revenue" sounds more complicated than "quotas are set too high because of incompetence"

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