Board 8 > Do you even want the next-gen consoles to come out by the end of next year?

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I sure don't. What we've got now is still in its prime. There's no reason to jump the gun and release a new system now. Wait a few more years and the technology will be even better for the next-gen. I think even 5 years would be perfectly reasonable.

I think these analysts predicting next-gen for next year are idiots.

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not really but I've mostly moved to PC now anyway, and it makes sense for nintendo to finally release a current gen console, I don't think there should be much pressure for MS or sony to upgrade yet

Given that Nintendo announced the Wii U before E3 last year, and that it won't be out towards the end of this year, and Microsoft and Sony said nothing about new consoles, both having big games coming out next March and further into next year, with both pushing tablet/vita connectivity as the next big thing.

I think that at most we will see one console (probably the next box) by the end of next year but not both.

Even so, I don't think that's likely

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I don't even care anymore. It's highly unlikely that I buy another console.

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Nintendo desperately needed anew console.

Sony and Microsoft don't.

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yes.
and no, the ps3 and 360 capped already. the 360 is going through 2010 Wii phase right now, evem.

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From: YetAnothrShadow | #005
Nintendo desperately needed anew console.

Sony and Microsoft don't.
Bingo. Really the current generation is fine from a hardware standpoint, and will improve as games get cheaper to develop for it. Nintendo needed to catch up (and make some degree of step forward) but I don't think more than incremental increases will be needed at this point. Not for another few years.

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the current gen is not fine from a hardware standpoint. they've come a long way but are basically done with the PS3/360. back in 2010 a lot of the same things you can say for the 360 would apply to the Wii too - killer sales, amazing game after amazing game (easily had the most amount of top notch exclusives and might've even been better than either of the competition period in that year), but there wasn't much else to look forward to. it was possible that they had more and they did have a couple games for 2011, but not a lot and things were clearly moving on. the hardware had been explored and consumers had enough of the extremely high sales. so it dropped in 2011 big time.

360's in that phase right now. it's burning out now but will do some nice results this year. next year though we'll all be seeing the same happen - its sales will drop like a rock too.

ps3's the most gradual of the bunch and hardest to figure out, but it probably goes through a similar phase next year. still, everything that can be done with them is already done; there's a peripheal or two (e.g., smartglass) that can try to slow down the drop in sales, but they're near done. fact is their limitations are showing more and more clearly thanks to the rising PC platform.

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It's time. If this years E3 is any indication, we need new consoles. The best game of E3 Watch Dogs probably will be coming to the Next Gen consoles (even if they have stated current gen systems as it will come out in 2014).

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no because i want ps3 games to remain in stores

pissed me off when i went to eb games the other day and there was no psp section at all

UberPyro64 posted...

It's time. If this years E3 is any indication, we need new consoles. The best game of E3 Watch Dogs probably will be coming to the Next Gen consoles (even if they have stated current gen systems as it will come out in 2014).

I haven't really been following E3 this year. How would new systems make things better?

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From: The Real Truth | #004
I don't even care anymore. It's highly unlikely that I buy another console.
...like, ever?

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I don't really see the point of new consoles. Graphics are good enough now (except for Wii), people dislike gimmicks like Move and Kinect that can be sold as accessories anyway, and storage upgrades can be done externally. What more are people looking for? 3D is terrible so don't say that. The only reason for a new system is to screw consumers, so unless Microsoft wants to pump out a handheld, or some other company (I dunno? Apple?) wants to make a system, I don't see it happening or at the very least being in demand until 2015 or so.

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MarvelousGerbil posted...

The only reason for a new system is to screw consumers.

You mean the consumers that stopped buying consoles?

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From: Icon Tang | #016
MarvelousGerbil posted...

The only reason for a new system is to screw consumers.

You mean the consumers that stopped buying consoles?
You don't need to sell more consoles if you make good first party games. But I mean more along the lines of online-only and the like being more possible on new consoles rather than trying to implement it on the ones we've got. If we've got a box that can do everything we need it to do, why do we need a new box? I'd rather throw $400 at 6-8 new games than a new box.

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UberPyro64 posted...

It's time. If this years E3 is any indication, we need new consoles. The best game of E3 Watch Dogs probably will be coming to the Next Gen consoles (even if they have stated current gen systems as it will come out in 2014).

I haven't really been following E3 this year. How would new systems make things better?

I think what he's saying is that there is no way the game will run on current gen consoles. They demoed it using a "high-end PC"

I don't want the current gen to end, but eventually the market will be saturated and MS/Sony will need to move on. I can't realistically see 2014 end without both of the new consoles being released

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KingButz posted...

snailien posted...

UberPyro64 posted...

It's time. If this years E3 is any indication, we need new consoles. The best game of E3 Watch Dogs probably will be coming to the Next Gen consoles (even if they have stated current gen systems as it will come out in 2014).

I haven't really been following E3 this year. How would new systems make things better?

I think what he's saying is that there is no way the game will run on current gen consoles. They demoed it using a "high-end PC"

I don't want the current gen to end, but eventually the market will be saturated and MS/Sony will need to move on. I can't realistically see 2014 end without both of the new consoles being released

I appreciate high-end PC quality as much as the next guy and certainly look forward to seeing amazing real-time graphics like in that FF tech demo, but current gen games are still high enough quality for me. I'm not blown away by any graphics of this gen and, honestly, I never was -- I was always a little disappointed, expecting more with the emergence of HD.

Ultimately, graphics don't make a game (or at least most games) so if the gameplay isn't there, a new system won't really help anything except to make a cruddy game look less cruddy.

Fortunately, the new consoles probably won't be worth having for a couple years after launch anyway. At least we can be sure Sony's won't since that's just how they roll.

But for now, it just seems too soon, especially if backwards-compatibility is being shirked, which sucks because I don't think I can even plug another thing into my TV without it setting on fire.

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Well it's hardly "too soon" from a timing standpoint. Next year will be YEAR EIGHT of the 360. The original Xbox only made it through four!

Nintendo by going on a 6-year-cycle is already on the outer limits of a normal timetable. Microsoft and Sony are about to re-define the timetables entirely.

Also I'm not sure why you think the ANALYSTS are "idiots" for predicting new consoles next year. They're not the ones actually making the decisions!

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A few months ago I would have said "no," but after E3 and seeing how sort of stagnant and "safe" this gen has become, I say "yes." This gen was great because developers took chances with gameplay ideas and over time evolved them into some of the best games I've ever played. I'm ready for that to happen all over again.

What I want from more powerful systems isn't crazy graphics, but more interesting ways to use all that power. Watch_Dogs, if it's truly as complex as the trailers and premise imply, is a good example of that.

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(DX10/11 is missing from 360/PS3, which they really need)

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KingButz posted...

I think what he's saying is that there is no way the game will run on current gen consoles. They demoed it using a "high-end PC"

Didn't they already say it's coming out for 360 and PS3.

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