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Liquid Wind 05/09/12 1:16:00 PM #51: |
it's more the fact that people have always been this way and because we're basically a global community now and we're starting to realize that people generally are extreme in their stances. And vocal too, considering we have the internet to hide behind now
I never saw the internet anonymity thing, the most vitriol I hear hurled at minorities generally comes from people I've seen in person, like 90% of the time it's someone middle aged or older too once people realize they're going to die soon they just stop giving a **** and show the world how ugly they really are ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 05/09/12 1:16:00 PM #52: |
AlphaRayAllen posted...
From: TheRock1525 | #043 gay marriage wasn't a huge issue during the 2008 campaign It really wasn't. You had McCain, who opposed gay marriage, vs. Obama... who opposed gay marriage. In terms of political importance to the 2008 Presidential Election, it wasn't that important. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 05/09/12 1:17:00 PM #53: |
From: red sox 777 | #050 I have faith in Romney's unelectability -- _foolmo_ 'nice comma splice' - TomNook7 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Naomi_Diamond 05/09/12 1:18:00 PM #54: |
red sox you're a republican right?
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red sox 777 05/09/12 1:18:00 PM #55: |
Right, and even if people suspected that Obama was hiding his true views, it's no sin to mistakenly give too much trust to a politician. Is it a sin to affirmatively vote for a politician who wants to legalize gay marriage? That's a harder question.
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AlphaRayAllen 05/09/12 1:18:00 PM #56: |
From: TheRock1525 | #052 -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Naomi_Diamond 05/09/12 1:19:00 PM #57: |
>>> Is it a sin to affirmatively vote for a politician who wants to legalize gay marriage? That's a harder question.
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red sox 777 05/09/12 1:20:00 PM #58: |
red sox you're a republican right?
Independent. I have faith in Romney's unelectability It's true that Romney's not an appealing candidate. But as long as the campaign focuses on Obama, Romney will probably win. If Obama can shift the focus onto Romney, Romney will probably lose. But I don't see that happening because Obama is the president now, so the focus will be on him more than anyone. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Liquid Wind 05/09/12 1:20:00 PM #59: |
Is it really?
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Naomi_Diamond 05/09/12 1:21:00 PM #60: |
Oh, Independent. Coolio.
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VincentLauw 05/09/12 1:21:00 PM #61: |
red sox 777 posted...
Right, and even if people suspected that Obama was hiding his true views, it's no sin to mistakenly give too much trust to a politician. Is it a sin to affirmatively vote for a politician who wants to legalize gay marriage? That's a harder question. same old same old -- http://i.imgur.com/xBFwK.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 05/09/12 1:22:00 PM #62: |
AlphaRayAllen posted...
From: TheRock1525 | #052 Obama... who opposed gay marriage. Opposed, didn't support, what the f*** ever. The point is that neither ran on a platform of legalizing gay marriage, so I don't see how you could say it was a major component of the 2008 election. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red sox 777 05/09/12 1:27:00 PM #63: |
Well, it's a hard question. If you're personally performing the wedding ceremony, that's pretty obviously a sin. And naively believing a politician is not a sin. Voting for a politician who supports gay marriage but doesn't make it a central issue of his campaign strikes me as pretty benign, because the other issues may make him a better candidate so that the ends justify the means, but this requires thought and different people will likely conclude different things. By contrast, voting for a candidate who supports abortion strikes me as much more likely to be sinful because it is like you are an accessory to murder. It would require a lot more to justify, if that is even possible.
On the other hand, there is probably a lot more personal hatred and fear towards gays in this country now than towards abortions, so gay marriage may draw out conservative voters to the polls even more than abortion. And that might also make sense given that not voting against the candidate who supports gay marriage is probably not a sin. The Catholic Church says sins of omission are just as bad, but the prevailing trend in modern American conservative thought is to make a huge distinction between action and inaction. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hrezs 05/09/12 1:28:00 PM #64: |
Liquid Wind posted...
Is it really? yes, you are going to hell if you vote for obama. Well, those people are already going to hell, they voted for the anti-christ -- PhoneYoshi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VincentLauw 05/09/12 1:30:00 PM #65: |
Red sox do you believe gay marriage being a sin is your own personal view or do you think it's an unwritten law or something
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OctilIery 05/09/12 1:31:00 PM #66: |
It's ok, Romney supports gay marriage just as much as Obama. -- Joyrock Fresh from my first justified ban. Ever! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 05/09/12 1:33:00 PM #67: |
From: OctilIery | #066 Uh oh, now what will the evangelicals do? -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/33_Moscow_04112012jg_02128.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red sox 777 05/09/12 1:36:00 PM #68: |
I am trying to analyze the issue. It's obviously a moral question not a legal question (because we're talking about sin, not about legality).
Being gay is obviously not sinful, because there is no choice. Getting a same sex marriage obviously is sinful, because you are going against the direct command of God. Officiating a same sex marriage is sinful for the same reason. Now, the state approves marriages and lends its authority to them. So, the state could be seen as an accessory. Presumably a voter would similarly be responsible, at one further degree down the line. What complicates things is that you are not voting for an issue, you are voting for a candidate, who has views on many different issues. Another thing that complicates things is that you are not voting to create gay marriages, you are voting not to prohibit them. This may seem like a meaningless distinction, but if you believe there is a huge difference between action and inaction, this is key. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Liquid Wind 05/09/12 1:36:00 PM #69: |
Uh oh, now what will the evangelicals do?
vote for ron pa- LOL I couldn't finish it ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red sox 777 05/09/12 1:42:00 PM #70: |
And I hope this analysis helped some of the liberals better understand what many evangelicals think about as they decide how to vote. Of course, it may be easier to dispense with the analysis and just do the thing that is obviously not a sin (don't vote, or vote for the candidate against gay marriage).
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Silverliner182V 05/09/12 1:44:00 PM #71: |
he red sox
what makes your sole religion so important that you must impose it's beliefs on everyone else in a country that is specifically non-religious. what makes it more valid and "right" than islam, buddism, shinto, taoism, etc. -- maybe, lol ... Copied to Clipboard!
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edwardsdv 05/09/12 1:46:00 PM #72: |
I appreciate it, but it still comes off to me as completely freaking foreign logic to the point that its hard for me to even think about.
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JaKyL25 05/09/12 1:47:00 PM #73: |
From: red sox 777 | #070 What would Jesus do? -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/33_Moscow_04112012jg_02128.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KingButz 05/09/12 1:47:00 PM #74: |
From: Silverliner182V | #071 well he obviously believes his religion is true. If his religion is true, then it trumps all the others. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/bokbokbokpngur.png Mr Caffeine? He was awesome. - Ayuyu ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JDTAY 05/09/12 1:49:00 PM #75: |
Screw Jesus.
What would Chuck Norris do? -- PSN: JDTAY87 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 05/09/12 1:50:00 PM #76: |
From: JDTAY | #075 vote Huckabee -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/33_Moscow_04112012jg_02128.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Liquid Wind 05/09/12 1:53:00 PM #77: |
this concerns evangelicals, so I think we're all missing the real question
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JaKyL25 05/09/12 1:54:00 PM #78: |
From: Liquid Wind | #077 By trading Tebow to New York, they took him and his vote out of a swing state and put his residency into a state that's already solidly blue. LIBERAL CONSPIRACY. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/33_Moscow_04112012jg_02128.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpicyHippo 05/09/12 1:55:00 PM #79: |
Silverliner182V posted...
he red sox what makes your sole religion so important that you must impose it's beliefs on everyone else in a country that is specifically non-religious. what makes it more valid and "right" than islam, buddism, shinto, taoism, etc. red sox loves the part where his religion actively protects child molesters from facing legal repercussions. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Articuno2001 05/09/12 1:58:00 PM #80: |
From: UltimaterializerX | #015 -- Congrats to 2011 Rivalry Rumble Guru winner, SuperNiceDog http://backloggery.com/articuno2001/sig.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kevwaffles 05/09/12 2:00:00 PM #81: |
From: yoshifan823 | #003 Many gay marriage bills were largely defeated in 2008 in highly democratic areas. The theory behind that is increased black voter turn-out due to Obama. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CherryCokes 05/09/12 2:09:00 PM #82: |
From: red sox 777 | #050 because math -- YES! GO BOSTON! - Naye ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlphaRayAllen 05/09/12 2:10:00 PM #83: |
I'm just confused how anyone thought that bible thumping evangelicals would vote for a guy like Obama the first time around.
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CherryCokes 05/09/12 2:14:00 PM #84: |
From: kevwaffles | #081 there is a difference between voting on referendums/legislature/etc and voting for candidates No self-respecting black voter is going to vote for Romney over Obama purely on the issue of gay marriage. -- http://alison-brie.net/galleries/3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlphaRayAllen 05/09/12 2:15:00 PM #85: |
From: CherryCokes | #084 Self-respecting black voters staunchly against gay marriage would. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CherryCokes 05/09/12 2:21:00 PM #86: |
If it were almost anyone other than Romney, you're probably right. But not Romney.
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KingButz 05/09/12 2:24:00 PM #87: |
Did Romney enact some kind of anti-black bill when he was in Mass or something?
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Mershaaay 05/09/12 2:25:00 PM #88: |
AlphaRayAllen posted...
I'm just confused how anyone thought that bible thumping evangelicals would vote for a guy like Obama the first time around. Are you not reading the topic? THEY WONT. In 2008 they just didn't vote -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness. The Resurrection ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 05/09/12 2:27:00 PM #89: |
From: CherryCokes | #084 Believe it or not, but Obama doesn't get 100% of the black vote. He has already lost his "first black president" appeal. There is such a thing as a black single-issue voter. -- _foolmo_ 'You are obviously intelligent and insightful' - Sir Chris about me ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlecTrevelyan006 05/09/12 2:38:00 PM #90: |
From: foolm0ron | #089 foolmo saying that black voters have tons of issues. How many issues do they have, fool? -- Gamefaqs' #1 Testicle Bettor: Proud owner of many testes http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/6553/alec.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CherryCokes 05/09/12 2:42:00 PM #91: |
From: foolm0ron | #089 He pulled 95+% of African-Americans in 08. You think cutting that down to 90% is going to lose him any states that he wasn't already going to lose? -- YES! GO BOSTON! - Naye ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 05/09/12 2:44:00 PM #92: |
Literally a 90+ post topic
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foolm0ron 05/09/12 3:38:00 PM #93: |
From: CherryCokes | #091 50% or less -- _foolmo_ 'and out of the blue and completely unprovoked came foolmo and his insult' - Anagram ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KingButz 05/09/12 3:40:00 PM #94: |
I think he may pull in 90-95% of blacks still. But there likely won't be nearly as many blacks voting this time around.
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kevwaffles 05/09/12 6:13:00 PM #95: |
From: CherryCokes | #091 You know you can lose voters without them voting for the other main party candidate, right? That still hurts you. Even he were the undisputed best president ever, black voter turnout won't be what it was in '08. It's not impossible to hurt that further. Having said that, it might not make a huge difference. I was just saying your original point is not necessarily 100% certain. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 05/09/12 6:19:00 PM #96: |
Mershaaay posted...
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-announces-his-support-for-same-sex-marriage.html 1. What a coward. Does anyone really believe he was against gay marriage in 08? 2. Goodbye Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado, Iowa, Ohio, and Florida. He basically just convinced all of the Bush Evangelicals to get out and vote for a Mormon. Congrats. While this may end up being true, I have to say that I don't why Bush Evangelicals are allowed to exist, let alone vote. They contribute about as much to humanity as ravenous, sociopathic velociraptors that individually emit AIDS-causing particles in radii of up to 10 miles -- I never said anything about banging her. Also, I wouldn't bang her. -LusterSoldier (on a fat pageant mom whose daughter chugs Mt. Dew) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Westbrick 05/09/12 6:21:00 PM #97: |
This is simply a political blunder. It's not nearly significant enough a gesture to motivate the base, and it's going to isolate a ton of swing state voters. If (once) Obamacare is ruled unconstitutional, Obama's done.
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MarvelousGerbil 05/09/12 6:27:00 PM #98: |
From: Liquid Wind | #059 But you're racist if you don't vote for Obama. You're probably going to hell anyway, do you really want to risk the possibility that Satan is black? -- http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterplum 05/09/12 6:37:00 PM #99: |
very disappointed that Obama is changing his belief for politics. He obviously is personally against it otherwise he would have supported it earlier.
Romney, Obama. They're all the same. Ugh. -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Westbrick 05/09/12 6:43:00 PM #100: |
very disappointed that Obama is changing his belief for politics. He obviously is personally against it otherwise he would have supported it earlier.
If anything, he didn't support it earlier for political reasons. And he should have kept that approach going, frankly. It continues to confuse me how naive otherwise intelligent people can be when it comes to politics. None of these actually believe 95% of what they say with any real conviction, you know. That doesn't mean the process is "broken"; it's always been that way, and always will be, in a democratic system. When politicians have to curry favor to the wishes of the public, and the public is an ugly mass of misinformed and conflicting priorities, politicians have to lie. It's inevitable. -- http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh64/pugwishbone17/SUPSAIYAAAN.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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