Board 8 > So that new Three Stooges Movie isn't doing that horrible on Metacritic.

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TheRock1525
04/13/12 5:17:00 PM
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24 reviews in and it holds a 54 rating.

I'm kinda find myself having trouble criticizing the film. It seems to be less a "modernization" of the stooges and more inserting the classic stooges into a modern setting. So all the cornball humor, bad puns, and slapstick seems to be intentional, and there might be a certain charm to it if it faithfully recreates what made the originals so popular.

I mean, it could still be awful, but watching the commercials I don't get the feeling it's unfaithful to the original, or desperately trying to "2000's" it ala something like that Honeymooners remake.

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OctilIery
04/13/12 5:19:00 PM
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It seems to be a very good adaption of Three Stooges. They look to have gotten down the humor just fine, and modernized it well.

The problem is that it's still a Three Stooges adaption.

And that means I'm not interested.

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Menji76
04/13/12 5:20:00 PM
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But it's at 44% with 68 reviews on RT!!

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OctilIery
04/13/12 5:22:00 PM
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Menji76 posted...
But it's at 44% with 68 reviews on RT!!

But Metacritic is more reliable for ratings than RT, because RT's rating system makes zero sense.

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TheOceIot
04/13/12 5:24:00 PM
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I usually look at the average rating on RT, which tend to be in line with the Metacritic score.

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Menji76
04/13/12 5:24:00 PM
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From: OctilIery | #004
But Metacritic is more reliable for ratings than RT, because RT's rating system makes zero sense.


How so? Anything 50% and lower is rotten.

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TheRock1525
04/13/12 5:26:00 PM
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Menji76 posted...
From: OctilIery | #004
But Metacritic is more reliable for ratings than RT, because RT's rating system makes zero sense.
How so? Anything 50% and lower is rotten.


The problem is that nothing's weighted, so to speak. A borderline positive review still counts in the positive column, rather than MC which would it assign it a value of, say, 6. RT sees a 6 and a 10 as the same thing, whereas MC assigns them different values.

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OctilIery
04/13/12 5:28:00 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
Menji76 posted...
From: OctilIery | #004
But Metacritic is more reliable for ratings than RT, because RT's rating system makes zero sense.
How so? Anything 50% and lower is rotten.

The problem is that nothing's weighted, so to speak. A borderline positive review still counts in the positive column, rather than MC which would it assign it a value of, say, 6. RT sees a 6 and a 10 as the same thing, whereas MC assigns them different values.


It's not just that.

Rotten Tomato doesn't average the scores of movies, it averages the opinions. It sees whether or not the review was positive or negative, and that is the ENTIRE basis for rating.

Metacritic gives the actual average score of a movie.

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TheRock1525
04/13/12 5:30:00 PM
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That's what I was saying, though. RT just looks at it as a positive review, whether the review was a 6 or a 10, so to speak.

To give you an idea:

Revenge of the Sith has an 80% on RT, but only a 68 on Metacritic.

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TheRock1525
04/13/12 5:38:00 PM
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Huh, it's by the same guys who did Dumb and Dumber.

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Westbrick
04/13/12 5:46:00 PM
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Rotten Tomatoes' system works fine. This arbitrary division of subjective opinions into fractions of fractions (Metroid Prime 2 was a clear 9.35/10, but I can't really see MP3 getting about a 9.27, personally) is ridiculous. Just tell me if the film is worth seeing or not! If I want a more detailed account about its aesthetic quality, numbers aren't gonna do jack for me anyway, not only because they're unreflective and usually arbitrary but because everyone uses a different system.

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YetAnothrShadow
04/13/12 5:49:00 PM
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It didn't look that horrible.

It just sounded like a horrible idea on paper. A new three stooges with look alike actors.

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TheRock1525
04/13/12 5:51:00 PM
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Westbrick posted...
Rotten Tomatoes' system works fine. This arbitrary division of subjective opinions into fractions of fractions (Metroid Prime 2 was a clear 9.35/10, but I can't really see MP3 getting about a 9.27, personally) is ridiculous. Just tell me if the film is worth seeing or not! If I want a more detailed account about its aesthetic quality, numbers aren't gonna do jack for me anyway, not only because they're unreflective and usually arbitrary but because everyone uses a different system.

I hate numbers generally, too, but there's a significant difference between "well, this movie was OK, I guess" and "OMG GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE." Considering the fact that movies tend to avoid decimal places.

If someone's trying to sell me on a movie, a tepid response, even if it's positive, is less likely to have an effect on me compared to someone who gives a detailed response on how it's one of the best movies ever made.

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Westbrick
04/13/12 5:54:00 PM
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I hate numbers generally, too, but there's a significant difference between "well, this movie was OK, I guess" and "OMG GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE." Considering the fact that movies tend to avoid decimal places.

Sure. But a tepid recommendation still signals "worth seeing." Here are the things I'd consider important, in order:

-Whether or not I should see it
-More in-depth reviews to read about just how good it is, what it does right, etc.
-What you'd give it on a scale of 1-10

Both RT and MC have these three components, but I'd argue that RT has their priorities better-set than MC.

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TheRock1525
04/13/12 6:00:00 PM
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A tepid recommendation usually comes with qualifiers, though. "You'll like it if you're a fan of <insert thing here>."

Remember, you're plopping down $10 for 2 hours of entertainment, and a review's job is to give an honest feeling on the quality of the film.

I'm not big on a simple "you should see it" or "you shouldn't see it." I need reasons WHY.

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Westbrick
04/13/12 6:09:00 PM
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I'm not big on a simple "you should see it" or "you shouldn't see it." I need reasons WHY.

If you're about reasons, then wouldn't both MC and RT only be a first step? <_<

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TheRock1525
04/13/12 6:14:00 PM
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Westbrick posted...
I'm not big on a simple "you should see it" or "you shouldn't see it." I need reasons WHY.

If you're about reasons, then wouldn't both MC and RT only be a first step? <_<


They are. This topic isn't about whether or not I wanted to see this movie, though. It was about A) surprise that this film isn't doing abysmal review-wise and B) how it's hard to criticize a film that's playing to it's crowd.

It only turned into a RT vs. MC topic later.

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OctilIery
04/13/12 8:20:00 PM
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MC reviews alsO tend to be more legitimate than RT. just saying.

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Menji76
04/13/12 8:22:00 PM
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How can any person's review be more legitimate than another's?

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TheRock1525
04/13/12 8:43:00 PM
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Menji76 posted...
How can any person's review be more legitimate than another's?

Well, Menji, if you posted a rave review about the Three Stooges then it turned out later that you were paid by the studio to give that positive review, it would be less legitimate than someone who was paid no money by the distributor.

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TheRock1525
04/13/12 8:44:00 PM
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Or, if someone says "I hate this movie because it has white people in it" then I'd say their view is less legitimate than someone who isn't a racist.

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Menji76
04/13/12 10:47:00 PM
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Sure, like that ever happens.

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TheRock1525
04/13/12 10:48:00 PM
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I'm exaggerating but obviously there are times when a movie reviewer shows a hint of bias against the subject matter and/or has accepted money from distributors and given it a better score than it deserves.

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