Board 8 > Rick Santorum on contraception:

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"I'm concerned about the public policy of this president imposing his values on people, people of faith who morally object to the government telling them they have to do something, which they believe is a grave moral wrong."

Meanwhile, Santorum wants to impose his values on people.

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Context? I know this guy is a crazy old madman, is he saying Obama is forcing condoms and birth control pills on people?

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Context? I know this guy is a crazy old madman, is he saying Obama is forcing condoms and birth control pills on people?

He is.

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okay guys, don't get mad, but i'm about to activate slippery slope argument

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also yeah santorum sux

SubDeity posted...
Context? I know this guy is a crazy old madman, is he saying Obama is forcing condoms and birth control pills on people?

He is.

All righty, just took a look at a couple articles. Various places have to offer them etc etc, how is this forcing them on people?

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It isn't. His claim is that churches shouldn't have to pay for something they find morally objectionable, even though birth control pills are a totally legitimate treatment for other things and stuff like viagra is already covered.

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Basically it's an entire argument about whether religious institutions should be exempt from the mandate that health insurance providers must provide birth control, or whether everyone has a right to have birth control no matter where they get their insurance.

But they are all completely ignoring the REAL issue that the government is telling you what your insurance should cover. Why can't you, the CUSTOMER, decide what your insurance covers? This birth control argument is literally pointless and it's only happening because the government has 100% control over health insurance. How about we just fix the root of the problem by giving control of insurance back to the customers, and then all these dumb minute issues will be taken care of?

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Because he's pandering to the religious crazies (and there are a lot of them who vote), not using logic

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Because he's pandering to the religious crazies (and there are a lot of them who vote), not using logic

It's logical that you should have to pay for some random chick's birth control?

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From: SmartMuffin | #013
It's logical that you should have to pay for some random chick's birth control?

Is it logical that some random chick should have to pay if you need medicine? It might not sound like it, but that would be how insurance works.

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It isn't. His claim is that churches shouldn't have to pay for something they find morally objectionable, even though birth control pills are a totally legitimate treatment for other things and stuff like viagra is already covered.

Do you move your lips when you read? While covering Viagra may be stupid, nobody I know of has a moral objection to the pill itself. Catholics have a moral opposition to contraception and refuse to pay for it for other people.

Furthermore, the legitimate uses of BC are drastically outweighed by their use as ordinary contraceptives.

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Is it logical that some random chick should have to pay if you need medicine?

No. That's why I favor a free market in medicine.

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SubDeity posted...
It isn't. His claim is that churches shouldn't have to pay for something they find morally objectionable, even though birth control pills are a totally legitimate treatment for other things and stuff like viagra is already covered.

Do you move your lips when you read? While covering Viagra may be stupid, nobody I know of has a moral objection to the pill itself. Catholics have a moral opposition to contraception and refuse to pay for it for other people.

Furthermore, the legitimate uses of BC are drastically outweighed by their use as ordinary contraceptives.

So a "f*** you" to everyone who needs a cure if that cure does something else that the church finds objectionable? Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycystic_ovary_syndrome ; 5-10% of women who would potentially use the pill in the first place isn't negligible.

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So a "f*** you" to everyone who needs a cure if that cure does something else that the church finds objectionable?

No, but a "work somewhere else" to everyone who demands free medicine that the church doesn't want to provide.

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By somewhere else, you mean out of America, right? Because Santorum believes contraception should be illegal.

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so yeah this was an xbyte topic

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Because Santorum believes contraception should be illegal.

Can you source this please?

Because I've heard him deny this multiple times on radio interviews.

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Welp I confused his stances on contraception and abortion. My bad.

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SmartMuffin posted...
So a "f*** you" to everyone who needs a cure if that cure does something else that the church finds objectionable?

No, but a "work somewhere else" to everyone who demands free medicine that the church doesn't want to provide.

I'm all for capitalism in 99% of markets, but I don't think a person's health should be treated as a commodity.

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Health is basically a commodity today anyways, you just pay less than you would if you didn't have insurance.

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that's the key word, "today". I think the system is broken

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Healthcare is always a commodity, no matter who pays for it. Capitalism isn't optional, it's the law of nature, thus why black markets exist everywhere regular markets don't.

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Also, the whole contraceptive issue seems really minor; the only possible argument that could be made against it is incrementalism, and I'm not even sure that's valid. There are times where religion has to abide by government. Muslim chicks are supposed to wear veils, but it was ruled they have to take them off for photo IDs.

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