Board 8 > So does Bioware have the worst fanbase yet?

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The Raven 2
02/20/12 9:11:00 AM
#51:


Duke fanbase, always and forever the worst.

Oh wait, this isn't about sports? Then in that case, Sonic fans.

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DeepsPraw
02/20/12 9:14:00 AM
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the icon ownz all
02/20/12 9:14:00 AM
#53:


is ayuyu really going to attempt a serious response to this topic after his continual harassment of and derogatory comments towards jennifer hepler

can you, for a day, not be a completely terrible human being? is that too much to ask?


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the icon ownz all
02/20/12 9:15:00 AM
#54:


From: the icon ownz all | #053
can you, for a day, not be a completely terrible human being? is that too much to ask?


once again a comment aimed at ayuyu applies to guiga


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th3l3fty
02/20/12 9:16:00 AM
#55:


DeepsPraw is Guiga huh

that explains a lot

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VincentLauw
02/20/12 9:17:00 AM
#56:


every time I think 'hey this new user is pretty horrible I've gotta remember his name so I know beforehand'

it ends up being Guiga or Hippo

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the icon ownz all
02/20/12 9:18:00 AM
#57:


don't forget strahax


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VincentLauw
02/20/12 9:18:00 AM
#58:


you'd think they change up their horrible attitudes so they won't be recognized but nope

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DeepsPraw
02/20/12 9:19:00 AM
#59:


Bucketspitter should totally be the new name for Homestuck fans.

What do homestuck fans even call themselves?

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tcaz2
02/20/12 9:21:00 AM
#60:


From: DeepsPraw | #059
What do homestuck fans even call themselves?


...Homestuck fans?

I've never seen anything else, at least.

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tereziWright
02/20/12 9:21:00 AM
#61:


They call themselves Homestuck fans.

Your mediocre attempts at mockery anger no one.

Wish I knew what the modded post was.

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DeepsPraw
02/20/12 9:23:00 AM
#62:


So they haven't like, created some special nickname for themselves like Tropers or Bronies have?

That surprises and disappoints me.

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Twilight the Fox
02/20/12 9:23:00 AM
#63:


TsunamiXXVIII posted...
Biolizard28 posted...
WRPG fanbases are a special kind of bad.

They're basically slaves.

Fixed. Seriously, Bioware's still not as bad as Blizzard.

And Sonic Chronicles was awesome. I've never played any other Bioware games, but as one of the few Sonic fans that stayed loyal throughout their worst times (though it might be in part that due to my loyalty to Nintendo systems ever since Sega left the console market, I was spared the horror that was '06), I had to check it out, and I have to say, it was definitely the best Sonic game to be released anywhere from 2006-2010 (second-best game with Sonic in it, though, because Brawl also falls into that time period.)


...what. No, seriously, what?

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DaruniaTheGoron
02/20/12 9:24:00 AM
#64:


I dunno why you guys think Bioware fans are the worst and that they worship Bioware.. have you seen the hate over the supposed ME3 script? And tons of people have been *****ing SWTOR and think DA2 sucks.

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Mershaaay
02/20/12 9:24:00 AM
#65:


I used to hate Liquid Wind, but now you are like my favorite user here.


Thank God I am not the only one totally creeped out by Touhou fans.

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Ayuyu
02/20/12 9:25:00 AM
#66:


From: DaruniaTheGoron | #064
I dunno why you guys think Bioware fans are the worst and that they worship Bioware.. have you seen the hate over the supposed ME3 script? And tons of people have been *****ing SWTOR and think DA2 sucks.


But.. those aren't the fans!

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the icon ownz all
02/20/12 9:26:00 AM
#67:


From: VincentLauw | #058
you'd think they change up their horrible attitudes so they won't be recognized but nope


it's better when they deny allegations that they are the previous awful user and then make a topic complaining that their xbox account was hacked. the xbox live account, of course, has their previous name


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CalvinbalI
02/20/12 9:27:00 AM
#68:


From: metroid composite | #045
In a word, yes. This is a quote from someone I know who works at Bioware; this was posted when people were sharing horror stories (she totally won):

"As one of the more visible women who worked on [game censored], I get daily hate mail, harassment on Facebook that has forced me to change my privacy settings and consider canceling my account, and a faked photoshopped post put out on the web with my name on it that has earned double the amount of hatemail compared to anything I actually did. It's been awful enough that I am no longer going to appear in any promotional material for [game censored], because it just has no upside for me. While there was some hatred for [name censored] and [name censored] as the lead designer and lead writer, none of the other men on the team at my level have gotten anything like the response there has been to me."


And...I feel like if I'm going to post that, I need to post her hilarious follow-up:

"I like to think of it as them thinking it's not fair that I have both a vagina and a game industry job, when they have no chance at either."


Is this that one woman who may or may not (I honestly don't know what's made up or not) have said that she's not a "gamer" and didn't like the gameplay aspects of Mass Effect? The one that designed the story-only mode that awful Bioware fans nerd-raged about even though it didn't impact them in the slightest? Yeah that was pretty embarrassing.

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the icon ownz all
02/20/12 9:36:00 AM
#69:


From: CalvinbalI | #068
Is this that one woman who may or may not (I honestly don't know what's made up or not) have said that she's not a "gamer" and didn't like the gameplay aspects of Mass Effect? The one that designed the story-only mode that awful Bioware fans nerd-raged about even though it didn't impact them in the slightest? Yeah that was pretty embarrassing.


yes

ayuyu made a topic about her yesterday calling her "hamburger helper"

he is a wonderful contributor to our board


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BlackMageJawa
02/20/12 9:37:00 AM
#70:


tons of people have been *****ing SWTOR and think DA2 sucks.

Yes, and hardly any people have been defending them, so in what way is this a problem with Bioware's fans?

Seems to me, as someone who has played and enjoyed every BW game (but agrees that DA2 should have been a lot better) that it's not my faction that's making all the immature noises.

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FL81
02/20/12 9:48:00 AM
#71:


MLP > Sonic > everything else

when it comes to bad fanbases

That being said, Bioware/Touhou/Homestuck/etc. fans are all pretty bad too.

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Sceptilesolarbeam
02/20/12 10:01:00 AM
#72:


A more interesting question might be 'what has the best fanbase'? Look for bad fanbases and you'll be here all day.

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FL81
02/20/12 10:06:00 AM
#73:


From: Sceptilesolarbeam | #072
'what has the best fanbase'


the one without any fans

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Biolizard28
02/20/12 10:08:00 AM
#74:


From: CalvinbalI | #068
The one that designed the story-only mode that awful Bioware fans nerd-raged about even though it didn't impact them in the slightest?


Now hold on a goddamn second.

Whether or not you plan on using story-only mode, you have to realize that its existence means resources are being siphoned from the main mode. At least, if they wanted to make it any good it would take resources away.

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tcaz2
02/20/12 10:19:00 AM
#75:


From: Biolizard28 | #074
Now hold on a goddamn second.

Whether or not you plan on using story-only mode, you have to realize that its existence means resources are being siphoned from the main mode. At least, if they wanted to make it any good it would take resources away.


It's essentially just the main game with less and easier enemies, isn't it?

I can't see any more resources being spent on it than creating another regular difficulty mode.

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Lightning Strikes
02/20/12 10:32:00 AM
#76:


From: Biolizard28 | #354
Now hold on a goddamn second.

Whether or not you plan on using story-only mode, you have to realize that its existence means resources are being siphoned from the main mode. At least, if they wanted to make it any good it would take resources away.


Indeed. I would also argue that the main mode is being altered to facilitate the Story and Action modes, the latter in particular. It's a bad move either way, even if it's meant well.

You know, the best way to cater to those same audiences is simply to create the ability to skip through dialogue scenes (either skipping choices or the whole scene) and add in a super guide feature, like Nintendo does. There, I just saved however much money and time and a confusing set of options at the start of the game.

Anyway, worst fanbase... I don't really like judging fanbases on their worst parts, since those are almost always a tiny minority. Homestuck, for instance, has a huge positive fanbase (better than most you'll see) and an unfortunate minority. It's probably most comparable to Earthbound. Which is appropriate enough. Now, Sonic, that probably has the biggest worst part (or parts, rather) so that probably wins... Bioware is getting there though, for identical reasons to Sonic.

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Ayuyu
02/20/12 10:35:00 AM
#77:


From: Lightning Strikes | #076
Indeed. I would also argue that the main mode is being altered to facilitate the Story and Action modes, the latter in particular. It's a bad move either way, even if it's meant well.


This, I mean in action mode the game makes decision for you right? It's pretty obvious than by doing so they have to remove choices that would have a real grave effect on the game otherwise they'll gimp the experience of people who play Action Mode.

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KamikazePotato
02/20/12 10:48:00 AM
#80:


I don't think it's fair to say 'all fanbases are bad'. All fanbases have bad parts to them, yes, but for many of them the good outweighs the bad. Stuff like Homestuck and Nintendo have their weirdos but they're outweighed by the good fans.

With fanbases like Sonic and Bioware, I don't think it's a huge stretch to say that close to half of the fanbase (and that's a gigantic percentage) is embarrassing.

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the icon ownz all
02/20/12 10:49:00 AM
#81:


writer in preferring stories in games shocker

it's good to know that ulti is no better than ayuyu in that, rather than arguing with someone's idea, he'll resort to derogatory personal attacks. that's a good personal philosophy to have.

"I think story-heavy games like this should have an optional component that gives the player freedom to experience just the story. This won't infringe on core fans in any way and may in fact open up new demographics to game developers"

"you're a physically undesirable, lazy, fat slob unable to maintain a personal relationship because you are the size of the largest mammal on earth"

a+ ulti would read again


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KamikazePotato
02/20/12 10:51:00 AM
#82:


http://www.destructoid.com/bioware-writer-s-vagina-versus-the-internet-222206.phtml

This article sums up my views on the Hepler situation: gamers are are so ridiculously self-entitled and pathetic it disgusts me. Is there any other culture out there where you can insult - harass - someone, and then act like the injured party when they fight back?

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Haguile
02/20/12 10:56:00 AM
#83:


Frankly, I think wrestling fans can be worse than anything.

Somebody:"I like wrestler X"
Terrible fan:"I WANT TO KILL EVERYBODY WHO LIKES WRESTLER X BECAUSE I HAVE NO LIFE WHATSOEVER AND I TAKE THIS THING WHERE PEOPLE SHOOT FIREBALLS OUT OF NOWHERE REALLY SERIOUSLY. GAAAAH."

Board 8 has some fun wrestling fans who don't take it seriously and/or don't get visibly upset at it. But some people take wrestling so goddamn personally that it...kind of creeps me out a bit.
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CalvinbalI
02/20/12 11:02:00 AM
#84:


Yeah if we want to talk worst fanbases, the hardcore gamer fanbase in general is pretty horrendous.

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Mershaaay
02/20/12 11:02:00 AM
#85:


Haguile posted...
Frankly, I think wrestling fans can be worse than anything.

Somebody:"I like wrestler X"
Terrible fan:"I WANT TO KILL EVERYBODY WHO LIKES WRESTLER X BECAUSE I HAVE NO LIFE WHATSOEVER AND I TAKE THIS THING WHERE PEOPLE SHOOT FIREBALLS OUT OF NOWHERE REALLY SERIOUSLY. GAAAAH."

Board 8 has some fun wrestling fans who don't take it seriously and/or don't get visibly upset at it. But some people take wrestling so goddamn personally that it...kind of creeps me out a bit.


this literally only applies to mwc

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LeonhartFour
02/20/12 11:03:00 AM
#86:


From: the icon ownz all | #081
it's good to know that ulti is no better than ayuyu in that, rather than arguing with someone's idea, he'll resort to derogatory personal attacks. that's a good personal philosophy to have.


It's easier to attack the arguer than the argument.

Best philosophy

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Haguile
02/20/12 11:03:00 AM
#87:


From: Mershaaay | Posted: 2/20/2012 2:02:47 PM | #085
this literally only applies to mwc


Google "wrestling forum" and you'll see that this is more common than you'd imagine. Trust me.
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FashnQueenEtna
02/20/12 11:07:00 AM
#88:


I'd like the point out that her premise that more people will buy the game because you can "skip combat" and somehow save time, or not get involved in combat because you don't want to would "increase sales" is most likely false. The people buying the game want a complete package, and those who don't have any interest in it are not going to buy it because you're taking something away.


Also, she's a writer, of course she's going to be more partial to the story. She is someone who has a hand in making games, but just based on her statements I don't think I'd classify her as a gamer.

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PartOfYourWorld
02/20/12 11:11:00 AM
#89:


I don't see the problem in allowing people to skip through gameplay (or giving them an "auto-win" mode to ease them in) so long as it's an optional mode and doesn't affect the experience for hardcore players.

From: FashnQueenEtna | #088
I'd like the point out that her premise that more people will buy the game because you can "skip combat" and somehow save time, or not get involved in combat because you don't want to would "increase sales" is most likely false.


Probably, but including the option wouldn't hurt, and it may actually ease casual players into core games.

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KamikazePotato
02/20/12 11:12:00 AM
#90:


In my experience, a lot of girls are interested in the idea of an interactive world with a story and character but turned off by the idea of challenging gameplay. It's not really a bad idea to expand the market at all, as long as it's kept optional.

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FashnQueenEtna
02/20/12 11:16:00 AM
#91:


Easy mode exists for a reason.

At least on easy mode you have some sense of accomplishment that you did something.

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Haguile
02/20/12 11:20:00 AM
#92:


From: FashnQueenEtna | Posted: 2/20/2012 2:16:11 PM | #091
Easy mode exists for a reason.

At least on easy mode you have some sense of accomplishment that you did something.


What if you don't want a sense of accomplishment and just want the interactive story? I know some people who would like that. I personally wouldn't, but would it be a bad idea to open that up for people? Not really. It's not like it's taking anything away from the existing options, just adding a new one.

Plus I don't really see the correlation between her ideas being possibly questionable and the fanbase persecuting the writer.
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FashnQueenEtna
02/20/12 11:24:00 AM
#93:


If you want an interactive story, then play a graphic novel or something, and I use the word "play" very loosely here. Like, imagine if a puzzle game had a story and people didn't want to solve puzzles, but just get to the story, i mean, what would be the point of the game? There would not be one.

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LeonhartFour
02/20/12 11:25:00 AM
#94:


From: FashnQueenEtna | #093
If you want an interactive story, then play a graphic novel or something, and I use the word "play" very loosely here. Like, imagine if a puzzle game had a story and people didn't want to solve puzzles, but just get to the story, i mean, what would be the point of the game? There would not be one.


Well, people rarely play puzzle games for the story, I would think.

People play RPGs for the story all the time.

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Haguile
02/20/12 11:27:00 AM
#95:


From: FashnQueenEtna | Posted: 2/20/2012 2:24:19 PM | #093
If you want an interactive story, then play a graphic novel or something, and I use the word "play" very loosely here. Like, imagine if a puzzle game had a story and people didn't want to solve puzzles, but just get to the story, i mean, what would be the point of the game? There would not be one.


I don't see the problem. Even if it would be completely pointless for you, nobody is making you use the dumb mode. Even if you find that choice to be baffling, what's the problem with letting that choice exist for the people who don't? It wouldn't affect you at all and it would affect those people positively. I just don't see the issue you are trying to raise here.

Plus yeah people play RPGs for the story all the time.
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FashnQueenEtna
02/20/12 11:29:00 AM
#96:


I'm just saying what she wants to do only represents an extremely small fraction of games. Like, it can't really work in most jrpgs, how many of those are actually interactive? I mean, for the most part you might just want to watch xenosaga on youtube or something.

There are non traditonal rpgs and non rpgs with decent stories. Jrpg gameplay has been kinda lame for a number of years and I much rather see game develops work to improve this so more people will enjoy it, then do something like take it away to appeal to a small subsection of gamers who don't really "play" games anyways.

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th3l3fty
02/20/12 11:29:00 AM
#97:


I would not play Professor Layton if the story weren't there

and uh that's about it

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paperwarior
02/20/12 11:32:00 AM
#98:


Well this topic is a trainwreck. But I now know DeepsPraw is Guiga, which explains how horrible he is.

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