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htaeD
02/09/12 9:56:00 AM
#101:


I bet you cant shoot yourself Chris!
<.< >.>

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Sceptilesolarbeam
02/09/12 9:57:00 AM
#102:


From: Achromatic | #100
... Really? Because I think I can still shoot who I want, Sceptile.


The point was merely that if stupidity is your lynch criteria, I'd hardly be the top suspect.

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Achromatic
02/09/12 9:57:00 AM
#103:


Anyway I will say that we have a very good scum team on our hands. Why? Because of the way 13 reacted to my fake kill of him yesterday. He was a town member I would have never allowed to be killed and so scum realized this and stuck him in the back of the head with a bullet.

So the scum team is clever, or at least the one calling the shots is, so I don't like the whole no roleblock theory much.

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Achromatic
02/09/12 9:59:00 AM
#104:


1. 36Eagles10
2. _Regaro_
6. Drakeryn
8. greengravy294
9. htaeD
10. jdizzy156
11. Luis_Sera89
13. MajinZidane
14. Mr_Vaga
16. Raka_Putra
18. Sceptilesolarbeam
19. Silverliner182V
21. WalrusJump
22. X_Dante_X

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Achromatic
02/09/12 10:01:00 AM
#105:


Arti question do you know what the items you give me do?

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htaeD
02/09/12 10:02:00 AM
#106:


well if Zombie means what we think it means, he was the best possible target for dayvig

(Unlike you ChaosII Boko)

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Achromatic
02/09/12 10:02:00 AM
#107:


From: htaeD | #106
well if Zombie means what we think it means, he was the best possible target for dayvig

(Unlike you ChaosII Boko)


What the hell are you talking about.

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htaeD
02/09/12 10:04:00 AM
#108:


but still janitors are usually not actual kill roles, and I have never heard of a SK Janitor
last time we had a town janitor, but I doubt town would go after Ulti

so I wonder if XIII even could be a scumkill

(I will LOL if Ulti turns out to be a nilla after all)

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Gatarix
02/09/12 10:06:00 AM
#109:


#86 | Achromatic | Posted 2/9/2012 11:48:14 AM | message detail | quote
Drak if you say I am not confirmed town one more time I am going to shoot you rather than argue with you.


I'm currently more concerned with Kracko and Articuno, in that order. You seem townish enough to me (because that has served me so well in the past LOL).

What do you think about Kracko/Articuno? Are they off your suspect list merely because we know they are paralyzer/inventor, or do you have a read on them?


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htaeD
02/09/12 10:07:00 AM
#110:


Achromatic posted...
From: htaeD | #106
well if Zombie means what we think it means, he was the best possible target for dayvig

(Unlike you ChaosII Boko)
What the hell are you talking about.


in C2 Boko wanted to be killed because that would activate his allegiance
dayjanitor shot him
but he turned out to be just a nilla who wanted to bait a nightkill
he didnt expect a dayvig


Unless you mean the zombie sentence
in which case zombie could just mean selfreviver and XIII offered himself because he knew he would survive and confirm you as well

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Utsuho-Reiuji
02/09/12 10:08:00 AM
#111:


chris you are better off just shooting me if you think i'm scum. it confirms you AND articuno without a doubt, and lowers the suspect pool since i'm dead.

your phrase "there must be someone smart on the mafia team" really strikes me as suspicious, because it hints that you think drakeryn is the mafia centerpiece, but it could very well be you. or both of you.

metawise hgr wouldn't make a role as dumb as mafia dayvig/unrestricted mafia shapeshifter, but i still have the nagging feeling that it's possible. HGR would totaqlly throw in a mafia dayvig with one shot. masterplum may be a restricted "shapeshifter" that can only mask as another mafia power role. so throughout the game i have had the nagging feeling that you are scum.

articuno is only proven through you, so I can't buy his claim yet, since I don't 100% buy you.

i'll roleclaim too since owl did.

i am cirno, TOWN vanilla. I'm the strongest, so I don't need WEAK night actions to win a game of mafia.

i'm not claiming a power role, so go for it. shooting me is the best course of action for town. there is no way there would be a two shot mafia dayvig.

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Luis_Sera89
02/09/12 10:08:00 AM
#112:


htaeD posted...
but still janitors are usually not actual kill roles, and I have never heard of a SK Janitor
last time we had a town janitor, but I doubt town would go after Ulti

so I wonder if XIII even could be a scumkill

(I will LOL if Ulti turns out to be a nilla after all)


Type-MOON Mafia had precisely that. It was an HGR game.

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Gatarix
02/09/12 10:09:00 AM
#113:


SK Janitor has shown up exactly once that I know of. It was in Type-Moon, which was co-hosted by HGR. The guy got himself modkilled on day 2. HGR was quite disappointed.

Having said that, I wouldn't worry much about the possibility of SK Janitor right now -- if it exists it'll become obvious as the game goes on.


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Achromatic
02/09/12 10:09:00 AM
#114:


From: Gatarix | #109
#86 | Achromatic | Posted 2/9/2012 11:48:14 AM | message detail | quote
Drak if you say I am not confirmed town one more time I am going to shoot you rather than argue with you.


I'm currently more concerned with Kracko and Articuno, in that order. You seem townish enough to me (because that has served me so well in the past LOL).

What do you think about Kracko/Articuno? Are they off your suspect list merely because we know they are paralyzer/inventor, or do you have a read on them?


So you think scum inventor is handing out toys to town sir chris for fun? Interesting.

Arti I had a read on as town after awhile yesterday. Kracko as well. There was way too much noise surrounding a newbie like Kracko for him to be scum.

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Utsuho-Reiuji
02/09/12 10:09:00 AM
#115:


metawise hgr wouldn't make a role as dumb as

make that " hgr wouldn't make a role combo as dumb as"

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htaeD
02/09/12 10:10:00 AM
#116:


Cirno as a nilla?
:(:(:(

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Dark_Spiral
02/09/12 10:11:00 AM
#117:


Back, don't buy into Drak trying to spread suspicion among the confirmeds. But hey, we can all just implode and buy into it. No, not really.
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Achromatic
02/09/12 10:11:00 AM
#118:


Despite what I may have people believe I think there are smart people who play mafia besides myself and Drak. We just happen to be the most smart, but the kill last night wasn't an extreme level of genius, it was just very smart, which puts some people on the team.

I am pondering what to do with my shot.

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Luis_Sera89
02/09/12 10:12:00 AM
#119:


i am cirno, TOWN vanilla.

Not about to meta-vote someone, but 'nillas are being listed as Vanilla TOWN, not the other way around. Had this very conversation only an hour or so ago.

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X_Dante_X
02/09/12 10:12:00 AM
#120:


I have no night action, so I can't confirm or deny that I was roleblocked. I have absolutely no doubts I was targeted with a roleblock though, as I ended day yesterday thinking sbell was scum roleblocker.

I still think Sbell/Scept are scum, because sbell being town roleblocker doesn't make sense with the way he handled his claim yesterday - He kept seeming like he had the god of all power roles, then ended up claiming THE TOWN ROLEBLOCKER. Like, roleblocker is a good role, but sbell was practically claiming scanner, and it seems to me like he gave up and claimed his actual power.

Sceptile seems to have be all over the board on sbell, and he never really gave clear reasoning on any of it. He started off thinking sbell was obvtown, then publically called him a fool for not claiming (trying to tell a scumbuddy to drop it?), then after that seemed to have been against sbell. This last part is from memory, I'll double check it in a bit but I think I'm right.

From: Not_an_Owl | #091
They both seem to have misread confirmed town (Silver accused Arti, Dante on Sbell and Catastrophy)

...The hell is sbell confirmed town?

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SBell0105
02/09/12 10:14:00 AM
#121:


Lolante

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Sceptilesolarbeam
02/09/12 10:14:00 AM
#122:


Sceptile seems to have be all over the board on sbell, and he never really gave clear reasoning on any of it. He started off thinking sbell was obvtown, then publically called him a fool for not claiming (trying to tell a scumbuddy to drop it?), then after that seemed to have been against sbell. This last part is from memory, I'll double check it in a bit but I think I'm right.

You appear to have been misreading approximately everything.

I never doubted SBell was town; I merely found his dragging his heels to be tiresome.

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SBell0105
02/09/12 10:15:00 AM
#123:


Not only am I town vanilla but sbell is totally scum. Chris please deal with this

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Achromatic
02/09/12 10:15:00 AM
#124:


Claim, Dante.

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X_Dante_X
02/09/12 10:15:00 AM
#125:


There were approximately 3 or 4 votes on him then - why bother making him want to claim?

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X_Dante_X
02/09/12 10:15:00 AM
#126:


Parsee Mizuhashi, Vanilla TOWN

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Dark_Spiral
02/09/12 10:16:00 AM
#127:


Not only am I town vanilla but sbell is totally scum. Chris please deal with this

Pretty much. Can't confirm the block because it'll give SBell credibility, so he gambles and tries to attack him the other way around.
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Sceptilesolarbeam
02/09/12 10:17:00 AM
#128:


From: X_Dante_X | #125
There were approximately 3 or 4 votes on him then - why bother making him want to claim?


No, he had a pretty sizeable lead, as I recall, and it seemed obvious that no one would consider other avenues until he made a real claim.

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X_Dante_X
02/09/12 10:17:00 AM
#129:


oh no I still suspect the person I've suspected from the beginning of the game

(flavor is I'm jealous of guys with cool abilities, btw)

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SBell0105
02/09/12 10:17:00 AM
#130:


Look if I'm not town blocker then why hasn't town blocker damned me already? Since clearly all the doubters say its a .lousy role anyway.

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X_Dante_X
02/09/12 10:18:00 AM
#131:


.......Town Roleblocker is not a common role

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SBell0105
02/09/12 10:20:00 AM
#132:


I've never been in a large game without one. Stop flailing

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X_Dante_X
02/09/12 10:21:00 AM
#133:


I'm not flailing at all. Town Roleblocker is not a common role.

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Dark_Spiral
02/09/12 10:21:00 AM
#134:


He claimed it in a game this large. That's a pretty big risk, that and with his behavior SBell is likely not scum.
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Dark_Spiral
02/09/12 10:21:00 AM
#135:


Also, town blockers have become commonplace lately.
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X_Dante_X
02/09/12 10:22:00 AM
#136:


Forgive me for being stuck in the past, then. I still maintain they are not common.

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SBell0105
02/09/12 10:22:00 AM
#137:


Scum on day 1 does not risk a gtown blocker claim

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SBell0105
02/09/12 10:22:00 AM
#138:


Lol Georgetown Autocorrect

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Not_an_Owl
02/09/12 10:23:00 AM
#139:


From: SBell0105 | #137
Scum on day 1 does not risk a gtown blocker claim


Pretty much this. Unless they're irreparably caught and trying to draw a counterclaim for their team to shoot at night, it would take brass balls the size of Pluto to fakeclaim town blocker.

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Gatarix
02/09/12 10:24:00 AM
#140:


Town roleblocker is a very common role. I would be surprised if we didn't have one in a game this size.

#117 | Dark_Spiral | Posted 2/9/2012 12:11:33 PM | message detail | quote
Back, don't buy into Drak trying to spread suspicion among the confirmeds. But hey, we can all just implode and buy into it. No, not really.


I will not have the town lulled into a false sense of security with regard to these people. In MPFC mafia, I was mafia youkai of boundaries and I gave dowolf a track. He had previously been ultra-suspicious of me but decided that I had to be town because "scum wouldn't give tracks to townies." We won that game.


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SBell0105
02/09/12 10:24:00 AM
#141:


Balls that Chris would crush in a vice

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Dark_Spiral
02/09/12 10:24:00 AM
#142:


I will not have the town lulled into a false sense of security with regard to these people. In MPFC mafia, I was mafia youkai of boundaries and I gave dowolf a track. He had previously been ultra-suspicious of me but decided that I had to be town because "scum wouldn't give tracks to townies." We won that game.

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X_Dante_X
02/09/12 10:25:00 AM
#143:


....Its really not that farfetched. Scum loves claiming their own power as town, since it eliminates nasty watcher/trackers rom calling them on thir bull****. Claiming blocking still lets them roleblock potential unknown power, and they get to do it under the guise of trying to roleblock scum. If something pops up thy do need to roleblock, they can still lie for a night - by that point its doubtful someone would actually watch/track them

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Achromatic
02/09/12 10:26:00 AM
#144:


From: X_Dante_X | #143
....Its really not that farfetched. Scum loves claiming their own power as town, since it eliminates nasty watcher/trackers rom calling them on thir bull****. Claiming blocking still lets them roleblock potential unknown power, and they get to do it under the guise of trying to roleblock scum. If something pops up thy do need to roleblock, they can still lie for a night - by that point its doubtful someone would actually watch/track them


Did you just admit that it was, in fact, a little farfetched though?

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X_Dante_X
02/09/12 10:27:00 AM
#145:


Pretty much every mafia scenario is farfetched.

Sbell had pondered his claim or literally hours upon hours, before finally giving up and just saying roleblocker. In this case, I don't think it is.

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Achromatic
02/09/12 10:29:00 AM
#146:


##vExterminate: Dante.

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Achromatic
02/09/12 10:30:00 AM
#147:


##Exterminate: Dante

I apologize for the typo.

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htaeD
02/09/12 10:30:00 AM
#148:


I dont think Roleblocker is as lame as you believe it to be, Dante

also I like how silverliner offered himself up for Chris to shoot him after Chris said he liked how XIII offered himself up for Chris to shoot him

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Gatarix
02/09/12 10:30:00 AM
#149:


So which of the,"confirmables," bothers you the most?

Kracko bothers me the most because of the way he used his pseudo-claim to coast for most of the previous day. He's the only one of the three I have an overtly negative read on for now.


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htaeD
02/09/12 10:30:00 AM
#150:


welp

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