Ok, if you really think so! I'm getting a better grasp of the lengths people are willing to go to ignore the obvious, simple, conclusion which is that Mario isn't quite that strong.
What is the difference between Ganon and Ganondorf anyway?
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If you ignore the anamoly of Charizard Mario has never showed to be weaker than Snake/Samus.
Remember Cloud/Sephiroth didn't drop to Snake/Samus level until last contest.
So the 2010 matches are anomalies because they suggest change happened? Mario not being weaker than Samus/Snake in 2005-7 matters no more than Samus being far stronger in 2004.
Also, nobody needs to prove that Mario is weaker than Snake/Samus. That's not possible, especially given the lack of 1v1 24 hour matches we've had in recent years.* What we are looking for is what is most likely.
*This fact cuts against Mario too, because the most legitimate contest he's been in since 2005 is the one that best supports Samus/Snake being stronger than him. Are we supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt based on 4-way performances from 2007? Certainly not 2006 or 2008 because he didn't look good in 2008 and he was only in 2 BR matches in 2006.
So he has 2 forms or something like that?He is the same person then?
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Link vs. Everyone isn't what we are looking for. People will just read that and vote Link. What most people actually mean is Link vs. Anyone. And we already pretty much saw that. Link would get tripled.
If you want 2010 results look at 63% on Big Boss at night which is essentially what Mario has been getting on him since 2007. Snake and Samus got 67% on Fox and Sub-Zero.
Link vs. Everyone isn't what we are looking for. People will just read that and vote Link. What most people actually mean is Link vs. Anyone. And we already pretty much saw that. Link would get tripled.
But we want Link to win. Seeing Link getting tripled is no fun.
If you want 2010 results look at 63% on Big Boss at night which is essentially what Mario has been getting on him since 2007. Snake and Samus got 67% on Fox and Sub-Zero.
I'll gladly take 67% on Fox over 63% on Big Boss. Fox is a tad under Kirby, so that lines up quite well with Snake at 53% on Mario.
red sox 777 posted... Seeing Link getting tripled is no fun.
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And Link vs Anyone would be specific enough? The result would be the exact same.
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creativename posted... From: red sox 777 | #1707rSFF has 1 match backing it up. Except this is patently false, since Mario looked plain stronger that year or at the very worst her indirect equal.
So no. rSFF has literally zero matches backing it up. Including Mario/Samus.
Zero/Mega Man
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Not even zelda fanboys will argue with this. 65-35 win for cloud
The people expressing the most confidence in Link's invincibility are the people who don't like him and campaign for him to be removed from the contest. I guess a Cloud win would set back the "remove Link" plans for a few years. It's like a conspiracy to stop Link from winning the future contests he so richly deserves.
rSFF makes perfect sense and probably exist. Whether we've yet to see a match that has been heavily influenced by it is another debate. I would say that Missingo./Yoshi was rSFF, unless you really think Yoshi is worth 43% on Sephiroth or whatever it came out to. (Okay, even after factoring in the bandwagon/rallying we would still get Yoshi being worth 38% on Sephiroth minimum; maybe that's true but I think something else was in play that match-rSFF.)
That match is much more the fault of sprite Snake than Pikachu. Indeed I'd call it 100% the fault of the sprite round, nothing to do with Pokemon other than they are helped by sprites. And Snake's sprite of course made a much bigger difference, as it does every single time it is used.
TheOneAboveAll posted... rSFF makes perfect sense and probably exist. Whether we've yet to see a match that has been heavily influenced by it is another debate. I would say that Missingo./Yoshi was rSFF, unless you really think Yoshi is worth 43% on Sephiroth or whatever it came out to. (Okay, even after factoring in the bandwagon/rallying we would still get Yoshi being worth 38% on Sephiroth minimum; maybe that's true but I think something else was in play that match-rSFF.)
Bowser got 40% against a much stronger Sephiroth in 2005, is it really THAT hard to believe Yoshi is around that area too? Especially with how ass Seph has looked the last few years.
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From: red sox 777 | #426 Not even zelda fanboys will argue with this. 65-35 win for cloud
The people expressing the most confidence in Link's invincibility are the people who don't like him and campaign for him to be removed from the contest. I guess a Cloud win would set back the "remove Link" plans for a few years. It's like a conspiracy to stop Link from winning the future contests he so richly deserves.
The thing my own confidence in Cloud is based off the format of the contest.
Link should be removed. So Should cloud. Link is #1 and Cloud is #2
Who is #3? Snake? Samus? Mario?
IT would be far more interesting. Do another tournament of champions where Link/Cloud are in it.
In fact remove FFVII/OoT/Link/Cloud from future contests.
Also for the people that make pictures,try to put Charizard on Trainers and put Toon Link or CD-I Link when he is against Cloud all right?We need to have every advantage possible!
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charmander6000 posted... We're really going to use 40% on Sephiroth at face value when only a couple of months later Super Mario only got 43%?
With that said 38% isn't too far of what I would predict Yoshi to get (36%)
Well, I think we all understand that the VC matches were a little overrated, but the point still stands that Yoshi isn't too far off Bowser, 38% on Seph makes sense.
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Don't really see the point of removing Cloud. Last contest he was at ~52% against Snake and Samus. Many think Mario > Snake and Samus so they would see Cloud/Mario as a very debatable match. If you think Cloud will have continued to drop between early 2010 and whenever we have the next contest (presumably mid 2012), then there's not much room for him to still be above Snake and Samus.
The problem with Link is that he's never going to lose to other Nintendo and never going to lose to Cloud unless there's an FFVII remake or KH3, which aren't happening for the foreseeable. Snake doesn't have any reason to boost from here on, and even when he went feral in 2008 he still couldn't hang with Link for more than six hours, so you can count him out. Link, meanwhile, has had a new Zelda.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/15/2011 10:36:23 AM | message detail | quote Dunno that Missingno would have done better in a day match. There are more votes in a day match so rallies matter less. And Missingno couldn't replicated the Power Hour in a day match because even though a day match gets much more votes overall, the first hour gets much less, and there isn't such a big surge for Nintendo/Pokemon/Jokes and against FFVII in it either.
In a night match, rallies would be most effective between the period of 2:00-9:00 AM. So that's going to be the first 2 hours, or last 3 hours of the match. The day match may have more votes overall, but that is offset by the fact that you can rally at any point in the match. There isn't a single time during a day match that a rally wouldn't be effective at all.
The big difference between night matches and day matches are the regional demographics voting at the start of the match. The night match will start out having about 86-90% of the votes from North America, and only about 2% from Europe. The day match will start out having about 75-80% of the votes from North America, but around 15% from Europe.
As for the Power Hour in a day match, I haven't really noticed any difference to how it works in a night match. We've seen FFVII get anti-voted badly in a day match, such as Sephiroth's matches against Tifa and Snake.
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SBAllen could always have Link play the champion of the next contest and whoever wins gets to be the reigning champion and take on the champion of the next contest.
See, if Cloud wins this contest, Link can get away with winning the next 5 contests without getting removed. So losing here is actually a long term strategy to win more contests. Once in a few years Link has to take a loss to prove that he's not invincible, so that he can win more.
And KH3 would not boost cloud that much. HE's still popular, whenever a new FF game comes out people go "oh wait whats this FFVII people keep talking about"
Sure they don't have the same impact but it's not like he's completely fallen of a cliff like Crono.
Despite Link getting Game after game and appearing on Smash...he's only really added about 0.5% per Character contest on Cloud.
I want Cloud to appear in more games. The only way he would be able to beat link is if he became a Smash Bros character, that way he do some serious damage. I do not want a FFVII remake because i'm happy OoT being the #1 Game.....for as long as possible
This is different than a straight-up CB. The whole point of this contest was to see if Cloud and Sephiroth together can beat Link. Regardless of who wins, Link should be removed from the next normal CB (2010 showed that no one can beat him) and face the winner of the bracket. There's no point in having him in a normal bracket. We all know he won't lose. And if he could, he gets to face the tournament champion in a bonus match anyways, so we still get to see that.
Another thing i wanted to say was on the Samus>Mario debate.
Samus has looked indirectly stronger than Mario in recent contests because her performances were better...i think indirectly Mario is still 1-2% stronger. Directly he's obviously way more, i'd say up to 57-58 pushing 60 after Other M.
Respect vote + Nintendo = Strong. She's also a Female..so Anti Nintendo guys or Halo fanboys can relate to her...a badass robot looking dude or a hot chick in a suit.